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Healthcare 101—Surviving Your Doctor

Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:09:46 PM PDT

Everyone has their problems, but patients bouncing back from medical treatment can have problems you’d never think of.  I treated an interesting guy at a Veterans Hospital for throat cancer.  As the textbooks would say, he did great because his cancer disappeared.  But this was before newer radiation treatments were available, and he lost much of his salivary gland function, so he had dry mouth all the time.  Turned out that his major concern going into treatment was whether he’d get to ride his motorcycle again (I am no longer shocked when somebody says something other than "living" when asked this).  So what happened next?

About a year out from being treated, he sees me in follow-up, dressed in a Kevlar riding suit, and motioned to his Gold Wing in the lot outside.  He gave me advice to pass on to my other customers.  They should all get motorcycles.  He has figured out that by riding around with a bandana over his mouth, he could soak it with a water bottle and the wind would help keep his mouth moist.  He did confess to this being a seasonal solution, but he planned to make that a reason to ride South on I-5 during winter.  Half jokingly, he told me that he came for his visit to check on how I was doing.  I said ok, but not as good as some of my patients, less than half jokingly.

This won’t be about how to seek the "VA’s Way to Do Tao" because very few folks are this fortunate, either through circumstance, attitude, or cleverness to turn such sour lemons into lemonade, especially at the VA.  It’s been well documented on this site how difficult and expensive it is to get covered by a health plan with a pre-exiting condition.  And how expensive COBRA can be while you scurry for that one-in-a-million job with decent health benefits.  But what if medical treatment itself give you a new "pre-exiting condition"?  Money aside, how are these managed by the US health care system?  Sounds like a leading question, doesn’t it?  Well maybe, maybe not—let’s take a look see....

A great example of the long term consequences of medical care has been highlighted by a spate of interest in the side effects of cancer treatment.  A recent article in the NY Times profiled an increasing formal recognition of "chemo brain", i.e. subacute cognitive deficits seen in patients treated with high dose chemotherapy.  Each type of cancer has a fairly predictable constellation of health consequences following cure, on account of the types of treatment employed for each cancer.  Take, for instance, breast cancer.  One-quarter of the 10 million cancer survivors in the US have this diagnosis (four times the population of Vermont).  In addition to chemo brain, these patients contend with breast-related cosmetic issues following surgery and radiation, hair loss, arm swelling due to lymphatic blockage, premature menopause, infertility, cardiac toxicity from chemotherapy and newer biologic therapies, and chronic psychosocial stress.  Throat cancer, what I specialize in, is notorious for its post-treatment problems.  Dry mouth only scratches the surface of this one, since treatment can deprive patients of the most elemental of human functions, including eating, hearing, vision, smell, taste, talking, and cosmetic appearance.  Probably the most difficult problems, however, are seen in pediatric cancer patients.  About 80% of such patients are now cured of disease, and many bounce back to have near normal lives, as I got to see as a summer camp counselor at Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times (one of the coolest things you could ever donate your time for).  But, as highlighted in a recent New England Journal article, these patients face a lifetime’s worth of risk of facing severe secondary chronic medical problems or new cancers.

It’s not like doctors didn’t know about or care about this stuff, it’s just that decades were required to figure out how to give people the chance for cure in the first place.  If a patient lived long enough to have problems from treatment, it was essentially a (pyrrhic) sign of success.  Belatedly, the term "survivorship" has entered the vocabulary of Oncology.  The need for emphasis on survivors’ issues has been highlighted in a publicized publication from the IOM, as well as by the creation of targeted support groups by ASCO(the major clinical oncology organization) and the American Cancer Society.  Probably the best resource for survivorship issues was not started by a doctor or nurse, but by a patient. The Lance Armstrong Foundation has practically claimed ownership of this issue.  Interestingly, many of the resources necessary to aid patient recovery have been improving all along but have simply not been coordinated with cancer care, which bodes well for short term future progress now that people are noticing.  An entire field of medicine, Rehabilitation Medicine, encompasses a spectrum of physicians, nurses, therapists, counselors, and other specialized experts who can tangibly assist with the physical, emotional, cognitive, and social challenges faced by cancer patients after treatment.  None of this takes away from the fact that Oncology has been unnecessarily slow to bring this to the forefront, both in the US and abroad.  The current body of literature on this topic to this day remains remarkably scant and immature relative to the vast amount of sophisticated research devoted to understanding mechanisms and cures.  Is this a reflection of our culture’s fixation on "quantifiable" results (i.e. cure rates) as opposed to subjective outcomes (i.e. quality of life)?

Also, cancer is a high profile illness.  Where does this leave patients recovering from serious problems caused or not improved by treatment for less "glamorous" conditions, such as trauma, organ transplant, psychiatric/neurodegenerative disease, etc?  Drug treatment for "mundane" conditions, such as diabetes and hypertension, can cause very serious side effects.  And notice that the words "financial support" is not included anywhere above.  Medical plans vary widely in their coverage of intermediate rehab care (my own BC/BS coverage is reasonable but doesn’t last long), and I can’t think of any (other than perhaps the VA, which does it poorly and makes eligibility difficult) which pay out much for long term rehab outside of the context of pre-existing disability coverage.  Although protected by Americans with Disabilities Act, cancer survivors continue to face potential discrimination by employers.   And outside of FMLA, how does society really provide financial support for caregivers?  To editorialize, these are crucial issues for discussion because these issues reflect our country’s lack of will towards creating and sustaining a true national community which cares for its most vulnerable.  If there are federal programs (other than SCHIPs, Medicaid, the VA, or Medicare) which provide reasonable assistance for such folks, I’d love to hear about them.  I Googled this as best I could and got squat.  Nor did I find anything for my state.  All of this is fixable with better public policy.  All of it.  

Similar issues pertaining to health care for chronic conditions to think about include:

  1. Long term care (i.e. elder care).  Approximately 12 million people over the age of 65 in the US require assistance with "activities of daily living", either intensive help in an institutionalized setting, or through at-home assistance.  Long term custodial care costs up to $10K/month and are covered by only two federal programs which serve as end-of-line safety nets for the poor, Medicaid and the VA.  Trust me, grandpa ain’t living large under either of these plans.  Stand alone, private long term health care policies do cover these costs , and my advice to you is to seriously look into this if you are middle aged and have the means.  My bias is that deficiencies in elder care reflect deeper deficiencies in how our society values (or doesn’t value) the concept of "family".  I researched how elder care was covered by the ultimate socialized medicine program, the NIS of Norway (which I was able to see in action in person), and all elder care is supported by municipalities, is not limited by age restrictions, and emphasizes home care over institutions.  It helps, of course, that Norwegians work fewer hours (allowing for more direct involvement from family members), pay a flat rate for comprehensive coverage through payroll taxes, and are subsidized to no small degree by North Sea oil export windfalls.
  1. Post-treatment surveillance (i.e. "follow-up appointments").  The frequency and intensity of follow-up check-ups for conditions such as cancer, hypertension, post-stroke care, diabetes, etc. has typically been formulated empirically, and can vary widely across providers even in the same medical center.  Very few randomized trials have been done to see how best to design regimens for post-treatment tests and exams after cancer treatment, and any results which favor less intense follow-up tend to be eschewed by expert panels in the US in favor of more rigorous scheduling (for a variety of reasons, including medical-legal ones).  Although medical "charges" for such visits tend to be relatively modest, the true costs are not, when one factors in transportation, lost productivity, and patient stress.  This remains an open-ended issue.
  1. Universal child health care.  A topic unto itself, but an obvious way to reduce chronic health care costs through prevention.  I realize this may be controversial to say, but this should be the starting point for discussions of universal health care (note I didn’t use the word "coverage", which different and inferior).  This also applies to the "young at heart"—health plans have recently paid a lot of lip service to "preventative care" (weight loss programs, smoking cessation, annual exams).  However, even the most progressive of plans remain relatively skimpy in this area.

This post is dedicated to those on this site who battle chronic medical problems everyday, and to their families.  Here's to a future where we can offer you more than a Honda GoldWing brochure....

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  •  My sweetie had cancer when she was three (20+ / 0-)

    and she STILL can't get health insurance unless through an employer group.  (She's 51 now).

    A large tumor caused her soft palate to be removed and she got a lot of radiation.  Radiation treatments for cancer were so new at that time that the technicians still calibrated their machines by giving themselves a sunburn on the back of their hands.

    She looks a little different because her facial bones never grew to full size, and every ten years or so she's had reconstructive dental surgeries.    

    So she knows a lot about survivorship.  But amazingly, it's been a long time since that was the center of her life or her identity.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:16:30 PM PDT

  •  I'm awed (12+ / 0-)

    I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find medical people who actually care about the whole patient, yet I find myself so. What does that say about our society?

    fact does not require fiction for balance

    by mollyd on Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:17:51 PM PDT

  •  My medical "care" (12+ / 0-)

    has created problems I never dreamed of. Of course, what passes for obstetric care in this country is a topic entirely its own, but going into labor at quittin' time on a Sunday led to a c-section, which led to a tumor, which led to the surgical loss of my abdominal muscles, which I'm told may lead to hernia or intestinal blockage-

    When medical care is your only hope for survival, God help you, and I pray they don't kill you quicker than your disease/condition.

    Anyone with chronic conditions needs more medical intervention, which for many of us means more chances for us to be maimed in new and novel ways. After all, the most invasive, most intrusive and dangerous treatments are usually the most expensive, so they enjoy the most research, and they become the "standard of care" (I hate that term), regardless of whether the individual doctor is interested in milking your insurance or actually helping you to heal.

    I'm not anti-doctor. I appreciate this post, because I think a lot of doctors have given up caring and take out their frustration at this awful health care system they have to deal with every day on their patients. I know the nurses sure do.

    I just know that people with medical conditions have so much more to deal with than the condition itself. And you see that too. Thanks for your post

  •  Hooray for you... (12+ / 0-)

    ..docdls!  Many years ago, when I was still a practicine medical oncologist, I gave a Medicine Grand Rounds on secondary cancers following cancer treatment for different primaries.  Back then, most of the cases involved patients who developed acute myelocytic leukemia following combined radiation/chemotherapy for Hodgin Disease or breast cancer.
     But bone marrow damage is not the only price paid..angiosarcomas in radiated sites, squamous cell carcinomas..
     Bless you for taking care of these folks - and I hope your motorcycle-riding friend wears his helmet!

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

    by drchelo on Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:22:10 PM PDT

    •  I have recently assumed full time (8+ / 0-)

      care for my father in law, aged 87, who has been diagnosed with moderate Alzheimer's.  

      My major issue with the medical profession these days is the assumption by all and sundry that the diagnosis is accurate and treatment should involve the full panopoly of pharma.

      My diagnosis is mild senile dementia (short term memory loss, mild confusion, loss of ability to sequence and some fairly frustrating (to me) peserveration and ritualization of behaviors).

      Moving him to our home and changing physicians did little.  The new doctor accepted the former doctor's file as gospel.

      My highly trained and experienced input is having little effect.  Keep those high priced pharmas coming - ignore the bruising, dizzyness, dry mouth, all in the name of something or other I do not understand.

      I am a scientist.  We LIKE having a hypothesis disproved.

      Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

      by Granny Doc on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:37:03 PM PDT

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      •  question (1+ / 0-)

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        I sympathize with your situation, but doesn't the ultimate decision lie with your father-in-law and you(the family) ? As you've said, you're more than capable of weighing the risks and benefits of these high prices medications. Shouldn't another reasonable decision be "Thanks but no thanks" ?

  •  Thanks docdls (14+ / 0-)

    I'm on long-term disability and recently received word that the company I worked for is canning my health insurance at the end of this year. They're doing it to all retirees too - who busted their ass for said company for a lot longer than I did.

    This past Tuesday, my father had a stroke. He's 86 and I'm the only one around to take care of him since my mom and sister passed away. Fortunately he has good health insurance - he's in a private room at a relatively good hospital.

    But since he completely relies on me to survive - at least outside of a nursing home - if the same thing happens to me after the first of the year, he and I are both screwed. Lack of health insurance doesn't just affect the person who needs it but their entire family as well.

    We have to fix this. It's bad.

    This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

    by Snud on Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:38:16 PM PDT

  •  I have a friend who survived pediatric cancer (13+ / 0-)

    She's in her 30's now and doing great, except...

    - she has a job, and it pays decently such that she earns close to a median salary, but it doesn't include health insurance, and with her history as a cancer survivor, she can't buy any on her own.

    - she lost a leg to the cancer, and every decade or so she has to buy a new prosthetic limb, which costs her thousands of dollars. She's overdue for a new one now; she doesn't have the money. There are foundations and funds for kids, but not for adults.

    - her ongoing bills for just the routine aspects of her life, such as her limb and the assorted adjustments it needs, are a big strain on her budget.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Fri May 25, 2007 at 02:58:17 PM PDT

    •  Somehow we gotta get National Health Care (4+ / 0-)

      I hate stories like this.

      I wear  two H.A. and my left mold needs replaced because the human ear changes shape as one ages. I can't afford $75.-$95. to get a new mold. Thank you for making me realize I don't HAVE any problems.

      May God see her get a new prosthesis.

      PLEASE!  

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      by glbTVET on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:02:17 PM PDT

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      •  I said this earlier in the thread, but why not (0+ / 0-)

        repeat myself.

        I would love to see a single payer system. That's not going to happen any time soon (imagine if the Dems had put it into the Iraq bill!).

        But another model could work.

        Maryland, the state in which I live, had problems with the uninsured using hospitals. Certain (urban) hospitals were financially insecure because of high ER costs. So the state created a property tax on hospitals. That tax goes only to a fund high risk insurance pool.

        The high risk pool covers patients that can't get insurance else where. They can choose between a moderately prices PPO and HMO. And there's sliding premiums and deductibles based on household income.

        That could work from a federal perspective. I haven't done the analysis on it, but I think it might actually pay for itself through increased productivity/taxes collected from patients.

  •  Thanks for this excellent diary (6+ / 0-)

    I wasn't aware of "chemo brain" or the other long-term effects of treatment.  It's helpful to know this, since even if each of us isn't a cancer survivor, most of us know somebody who is.  Having this information may make a big difference when interacting with post-treatment patients on a personal and social level.

    •  I've noticed (11+ / 0-)

      (very small sample size) that elderly people who have been under anaesthesia for a prolonged period often have fairly noticable loss of memory or cognitive function, sometimes for a year or two, sometimes permanently. I would really like to see this studied, because I think it would help inform patients better about the pros and cons of, for example, joint replacements. My grandmother, for example, had knee replacements, and she could walk again - hooray! - but unfortunately, she had so much dementia after the surgery that her new mobility was not really a good thing overall, nor did she get to appreciate it.

      Yet, that would count as a "good outcome".

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:07:58 PM PDT

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      •  Good point (6+ / 0-)

        Many times surgery and other procedures are recommended simply because they are available.  It is very helpful to understand what the consequences might be.  Some patients are willing to try any treatment, others are willing to live with a condition, especially a chronic condition they have adjusted to, rather than risk an outcome such as dementia.

      •  Not such a small sample size ... (6+ / 0-)

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        lots of people who have had anaesthesia will tell you that their brains haven't been quite the same since. I believe I've read that the longer the time "under", the more pronounced the effect.  Seems to wear off slightly with time, but maybe not altogether.

        (If I had more time right now I'd surf for publications.)  

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:23:04 PM PDT

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        •  Cardiac surgery is wonderful (5+ / 0-)

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          for taking part of the brain too.  The by-pass pump sends all kinds of crap into the brain.  Dome surgeries are being done "off-pump" now; likely a better option but not feasible for all types.

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          by barbwires on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:09:28 PM PDT

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          •  Not exactly "all kinds of crap" (1+ / 0-)

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            The mechanical pump is such a poor approximation of the human heart that the blood would start clotting from all the abuse that it takes.  So they pump it full of anticoagulants in order to keep it from clotting.  Unfortunately, the anticoagulants increase the chances of microbleeds in the brain.  Tough choice - clots in the brain versus bleeds in the brain.

            The longer you are on an ECMO machine, the greater the chance of brain damage among other complications.

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            by Fabian on Fri May 25, 2007 at 05:49:09 PM PDT

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            •  Not just the anti-coagulants (1+ / 0-)

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              but showers of cholesterol plaque and other treasures in our arteries get into the brain because of the wrong way circulation.

              Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

              by barbwires on Sat May 26, 2007 at 08:49:19 AM PDT

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      •  It's worth knowing that hip replacement and knee (6+ / 0-)

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        replacement can be done with a spinal.  My husband had his hip done that way, and the improved recovery time was well worth any fear factor items from being able to hear bones sawed through.

        Back in 2000, he had an abdominal aneurysm surgery that had complications.  He was under general anesthesia for over 15 hours and then for several hours each for 3 subsequent procedures over 13 days.
        He swore he would never have general anesthesia again, so when his hip needed replacing, he had a spinal.  He liked the results so well that this year he had a vascular procedure done on his leg with a spinal as well.  This procedure lasted 5 hours.  Again, his recovery was almost immediate, with no brain effects.

  •  Thanks for this diary (6+ / 0-)

    We need to do more outcome thinking and research in general, I think. I have learned to be very wary of drugs and treatments, because a 'good outcome' doesn't always seem to improve quality of life, as you wrote. Drugs have side effects. Surgeries often leave some other issue that may or may not even come to the doctor's attention. Sometimes watchful waiting is the best answer.

    A classic example was the comparison of women in their 40's getting mammograms or not. Yes, the women getting mammograms had fewer cancer deaths - but the same death rate overall.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:03:47 PM PDT

  •  Surviving your insurance is the big one (8+ / 0-)

    Long-term care insurance coverage has been denied to many policy holders who tried to collect. The industry has lax oversight and uses loopholes to get out of obligations.

    Thanks for the informative diary. Universal care is the solution, not piecemeal insurance plans for the rich. We cannot afford to pay for insurance company parasites. We need to pay for care not paper pushers.

    "It's the planet, stupid."

    by FishOutofWater on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:14:04 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for another great diary. (5+ / 0-)

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    Information is key.  I have helped start and still remain part of organizations that deal with conditions similar to mine.  The main goal of all of these groups is to raise awareness and empower patients to seek out the best possible treatment available.  It sounds simple, but really it isn't.  These days, you have to be your own advocate because it seems as if most healthcare dollars are devoted to those in immediate crisis...after that, you can feel rather on your own for follow up.

    •  well-said, as always (2+ / 0-)

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      and difficult when the patient has limited resources and/or education. Yes the crisis, whether it is cancer, a congenital anomaly, or trauma, gets fixed as best as possible but the rest is DIY unless one fits into the narrow indices of PT/OT as presently defined.

      "And tell me how does god choose whose prayers does he refuse?" Tom Waits

      by madaprn on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:23:32 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you. (2+ / 0-)

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        Its just very frustrating to deal with chronic illness...and especially, as you said, if its not something that can be "fixed" with rehab or therapy.  No wonder that there is now a growing field of therapists who deal primarily with patients with chronic illness...if you didn't need therapy before you were ill, its most likely you will after all the frustrations involved in trying to access care, continue care and manage to have a life.

        I've heard the theory that the concept of "chronic illness" is a new one, historically speaking.  Until recently, people got sick, and either got better or died.  Now, there are sizable numbers of us in the not-dying-but-living-with-difficulties-limitations-disabilities.
        I'm not sure we have a system that has even began to adjust to this new reality.  Society certainly hasn't...seems most people still think in the sick-or-well mode.

        I'm not bashing healthcare providers...God knows, I don't even want my doctors to follow me home and try to lead my life for me.  I just wish we concentrated more on patients not in crisis at the moment but certainly in need of help improving their standard or quality of life.

        •  Again, I agree with you (1+ / 0-)

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          in that we probably need to focus more on living with chronic illness in terms of maximizing health and wellness as well as trying to understand any relationships between micro- and macroenvironments and health.

          There is substantial research being conducted now on living with chronic illness but is limited compared to many other areas of interest solely because so much health research now is funded by Pharma. On the other end, standards of practice are, in turn, constrained by present reimbursement schedules which are designed to compensate surgical procedures at a far greater rate than boring cardiac rehab, comprehensive diabetes management, or therapy.  

          "And tell me how does god choose whose prayers does he refuse?" Tom Waits

          by madaprn on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:07:12 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, yes... (1+ / 0-)

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            the healthcare system just isn't equipped to compensate for the "talk" and "advise" stuff...and quite frankly, no system is around to offer support systems that would help people live their lives as fully and independently as possible.

            •  Not here, anyway (0+ / 0-)

              I hope you read Jerome's diaries about his son's illness and subsequent comprehensive treatment. Made me want to move to France.

              "And tell me how does god choose whose prayers does he refuse?" Tom Waits

              by madaprn on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:36:24 PM PDT

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              •  Yes...I did read that. (0+ / 0-)

                I can't believe how far we've fallen behind.  Everyday I hear from people who need to seek further specialized care and have such a difficult time doing so...we don't need a system in which every healthcare provider has to be an expert on every condition...we just need to find a way to better allow access to "the experts" when needed...and in a timely fashion.

        •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

          Certainly there are some things that are preventable. But I think that the more we learn, the more it becomes apparent that that genetics plays a major factor in the development of chronic illnesses.

          If we do as Hillary is suggesting and allow preventative care for all, that really won't do much of anything. The problem in the medical system is for those that do develop chronic illnesses and have no means to pay for expensive treatment.

          The stress of trying to find the resources needed to live undermines the effectiveness of the treatment. We're unproductive while we're ill. We're unable to pay bills. And many doctors and hospitals get stuck with the bill. The result is that all our charges go up.

          Another factor in this, and I may get troll rated for saying it but I believe it, is rising malpractice insurance claims. Try to find surgeons that take Medicaid. There aren't very many because the cases tend to be extremely complex--the patients haven't been seeing a doctor recently--which means a high chance of something going wrong. So doctors, fearing malpractice suits, preselect Medicaid patients out of the system.

          I think real health care reform has to do two things:

          Pony up the resources to insure--spread the cost out in other words--the chronically ill.

          A malpractice cap.

          •  I'm not in disaggreement... (1+ / 0-)

            and I'm not sure how your opinion differes from mine.

            Accessing long term care after one is diagnosed with a chronic illness can be damn difficult...and yes, keeping insurance is a huge, huge factor...it can be a vicious circle.  Insurance through place of employment until you can no longer work then you no longer have insurance to go to doctors to verify your disability so you can get Social Security and medicare/medicaide.  And wanting to go back to work?  Good luck.

            For a host of reasons, doctors do lose interest often times in patients who just "don't get better".  They are human, I am sure they are frustrated, and they are up against the same crappy system that we face.  Furthermore, they aren't really trained in offering patients practical advice in how to go about leading a life with chronic disability.  Often treatment is very hit or miss...and it takes a special doctor to hang in there with you in finding the things that will best help you be as comfortable as possible.

          •  Malpractice (0+ / 0-)

            I don't think malpractice awards, which have not been increasing, are the problem so much as malpractice insurance premiums, which have been increasing, largely because the stock market has been so spotty.

            The problem with caps is that the cost of care to repair someone's malpractice is not capped.

            Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

            by elfling on Sun May 27, 2007 at 02:03:42 PM PDT

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  •  The more I see about chemo and radiation, (9+ / 0-)

    the less I like it.  If I get cancer (my mother is a 25-year bilateral breast cancer survivor), I will get surgery for it.  But, my feeling is, I don't want chemo and I don't want radiation.  Just give me a Patient-Controlled Analgesia machine, and I will keep teaching college classes online until  I drop dead at the keyboard.  It's a quality of life issue for me.

    To say my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:31:00 PM PDT

    •  Its getting a lot better.... (11+ / 0-)

      the direction of research now is to reduce the intensity of radiation and extent of surgery with individually tailored biological therapy.  Interest is especialy high for treating breast cancer this way. This will be reality within 5-10 years (I do this research, so I'm kind of optimistic).

      •  I've got such severe chemical sensitivites (0+ / 0-)

        that I'm on disability.  By the way most new MDs speak to me, they must assume I'm pulling it out of my ass or something because they're either patronizing, or they dismiss it all as stress.  Now, I've read about certain chemo drugs' adverse effects, and I've got to be honest--If I'm ever diagnosed with cancer, this attitude about my IEI would be more terrifying than cancer.

        What do you do when your doctor doesn't believe your complaints?

        BTW, I'm not surprised about the cognitive problems due to such serious drugs--that was my first symptom after I got into some methylene chloride.  My IQ once clocked in at 140, yet I had trouble spelling my own name!  

        (Neurontin, et al., help a lot, but I'm still pretty much sequestered to the clean north woods.)

        People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election. --Otto von Bismarck

        by Ice Blue on Fri May 25, 2007 at 06:38:42 PM PDT

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        •  Cognitive problems... (1+ / 0-)

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          I can relate.  Due to cardiovascular and neurological problems, I feel as if I'm doing good to string a sentence together most of the time.  I used to be "Mensa elgible", too.  Its the damnedest thing...I can have trouble remembering my own phone number some days.  

    •  It's easy to say that (6+ / 0-)

      But when you're faced with the choice of some not-that-great drugs, or pain, misery and possible death, you choose the not-that-great drugs.

      I took immunosupressant, steroids, and anti-TNF medication. They all carried big risks, but the survival instinct kicked in and I took them anyway. Also, even though I decided I needed surgery about 8 months before I had it, we had to try all alternatives before insurance would go along with it. Talk about a waste of money. The total for the combination of drugs is only slightly below the cost of my surgery.  

    •  Harper's has an article that will inform you on (2+ / 0-)

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      Chemo World

      I found it hard to read with tears welling up for the patients who suffer so much because they want to live.

      This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

      by Agathena on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:31:53 PM PDT

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  •  companion piece (3+ / 0-)

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    JDWolverton, "Health Care Reform: We're Not There Yet".

    "We aren't there yet" best describes the state of the health care debate. As long as the majority of people can get care under the current system, no changes will be made. Until everyone feels the pain, we're stuck.
    ...
    I am saying some providers operate their practices with an eye toward maximizing insurance reimbursements and if that means a patient is inconvenienced and must visit multiple offices multiple days, then that's ok. I'm also saying most patients won't recognize when their treatment is unnecessary or futile.

    Over utilization is poorly documented in the US. No one wants to fund that study; but I found a piece written by Walter Bradley.

    shorter: commodification of health care presumes that one is willing if not able to live at any cost. there is no dignity in factor analyses of 'outcomes'.

    Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

    by MarketTrustee on Fri May 25, 2007 at 03:37:56 PM PDT

  •  Very, Very Big Problem (12+ / 0-)

    I have Crohn's, and I had my quality of life totally destroyed for a year and a half. I couldn't do anything I liked to do, and I was totally miserable. Eventually I had a proctocolectomy (complete removal of the colon for the non-medical people). And I got into remission.

    But I was a grad student when I was sick. I finished right before my surgery. And I had to take substantial time off after graduation to get better. I can do what I want now, but I have that classic gap in my resume. There's no real good support system for patients trying to re-enter the world.

    Though they're technically not allowed to ask, there's no way (for me at least) to answer that question without being hones.

    A patient trying to find employment quickly finds that employers are scared of "expensive employees." They don't want to have to pay more for you, so they hire somebody else. Those of us that wanted to work in small organizations (I wanted to work for a non-profit), quickly find that can never happen.

    The real solution is some sort of national high risk pool. Maryland has a program that is among the best in the nation, and it could be a model for the future. That way, we'd have our insurance, and if we could do the job a company/government/non-profit organization will judge us on how much we can do for them, not how much higher their insurance premiums will be if they employ us.

    •  Oh, and for the record (3+ / 0-)

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      After I get a job, I want to buy a motorcycle. They look like lots of fun, and one I saw (Ninja 250) gets 75 mpgs.

      •  We have come a long way in terms of (5+ / 0-)

        pathophysiology and treatment of illness like Crohn's. My aunt had Crohn's with symptoms beginning in the mid 1930's when she was a teenager. She was diagnosed with Crohn's by Dr Crohn, THE doctor Crohn, who told her it was caused by her bad feelings towards my grandfather!!!!!! Anyway, she lived for 50 years after her colectomy and was happy as a clam on small daily doses of deodorized tinture of opium and died of unrelated causes.

        Nonetheless, most specialty physicians still do not address LT effects of illness or trauma through the lifespan.

        Wear a helmet on that motorcycle! No wheelies!

        "And tell me how does god choose whose prayers does he refuse?" Tom Waits

        by madaprn on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:31:49 PM PDT

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        •  True that treatments have advanced...but (1+ / 0-)

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          But Crohn's is still lethal. Not as lethal as most cancers, but they still have a 23% mortality rate at 12 years. When one considers that the disease is typically diagnosed in young adults that are otherwise healthy, that's a pretty high mortality rate. But it's a slow, wasting, painful death.

          The odds of dying for Crohn's are in the same neighborhood as some lymphomas. But it's an isolating disease that no one talks about, so that fact isn't well known.

          •  oops, forgot to proof (1+ / 0-)

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            they refers to crohn's and ulcerative colitis--the evil twins--that are collectively known as "IBD" and have a collective mortality rate of 23% at 12 years.

            •  didn't mean to trivialize IBD (1+ / 0-)

              Did you ever study the epidemiology of IBD? I looked into this years ago. Crohn's is pretty much unheard of in nonindustrialized countries and other areas of the world with inadequate sanitation, particularly with regards to common gastrointestinal illnesses and parasites. I recall some hypotheses that decreased exposure to those bugs along with genetic susceptiblity (like HLA B27 histocompatibility complex) may account for Crohn's in our neck of the woods.

              "And tell me how does god choose whose prayers does he refuse?" Tom Waits

              by madaprn on Fri May 25, 2007 at 07:27:30 PM PDT

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              •  Some of the highest rates are in Eastern Europe (1+ / 0-)

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                I didn't think you meant to down play its risks. Sorry for implying that. I'm a little sensitive about how serious it is because I've heard the endless "don't eat nuts and you'll get better" suggestions from well-meaning IBS patients. The terminology is awful.

                I believe Canada, specifically Nova Scotia, has the highest of all rates. But I know that it's pretty widespread in parts of Eastern Europe, Asia and Latin America.

                I've read the studies that suggest that it may have to do with purified water, or better cooking, and that we're not exposed to bacteria. So when we actually get one, the body doesn't know what to do, and has the immune system drop a nuke on the intestines.

                I'm not sure I really believe that. I think the difference in disease diagnosis may have more to do with access to the medical system. It took me 2.5 months of my general doctors treating it like an infection (Giardia, E Coli, etc) before I got to a GI and had a colonoscopy.

                In developing countries, an IBD patient probably presents as malaria or cholera. They probably have a pretty good chance of dying from the initial flare. Dehydration in tropical climates is a big deal. If a UC patient is going 25 times a day and has limited access to water, they will die. And the people in the village may think that it's another cholera case when it is something else entirely.

                 

      •  I got an e-bike after my cancer surgery (1+ / 0-)

        Sure feels good. It's only electric-assisted so I have to peddle at times.

        This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

        by Agathena on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:37:57 PM PDT

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        •  Sounds cool (1+ / 0-)

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          I haven't done it for a long time, but I love to ride a bicycle. There's a big fund raiser for the CCFA/ostomy association. Some of my friends from our virtual support group are doing it this year. Maybe I'll do it next year.

          Still, I think I'll buy a small motorcycle eventually. I want to be able to take road trips. Don't think I could go fast enough pedaling to do that. But at 75 mpg, road trips become more feasible (and fun).

  •  I have a friend who survived prostate cancer, (4+ / 0-)

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    but has been in surgery four times since January, due to the effects of the chemotherapy on his stomach and intestine. Hopefully, this last surgery has finally stopped all of the internal bleeding.
    ((((((((((((((((((((Ken))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Hugs,
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  •  Recently I moved and changed doctors. (9+ / 0-)

    For years prior I'd taken Norvasc to control hypertension. The new doctor asked be whether I've experienced any side effects from the drug, and I told he I hadn't. She then asked specific questions about side effects and whether I had any of those symptoms. Surprisingly, I experienced many of them, but hadn't attributed it to the medicine. In fact, I didn't even mention the problems to my doctor because they had gone on so long that they'd become normal to me.

    To make a long story short I'm now taking a diuretic alone. Remarkably it works better than the expensive drug. The only down side was that all my shoes are too big now that the swelling in my feet is gone.

    PS I'm about 20lbs overweight.

  •  excellent diary (3+ / 0-)

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    and, I hope, an eyeopener for those in persist in believing that EVERYTHING gets addressed at visits with specialists.

    You sound like your practice featured real people instead of cases, docdls. My compliments to you.

    Frustrating to send my young adult patients who are LT survivors back to specialty expecting that the developmental needs of survivors with TOF, bladder extrophy, or imperforate anus will be addressed as well as the "medical" needs, only to receive the bare minimum of surveillance. An echo. A sonogram and UA. Nothing about sex, pregnancy and labor. Nothing about age and developmental functioning.

    "And tell me how does god choose whose prayers does he refuse?" Tom Waits

    by madaprn on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:18:51 PM PDT

  •  Insurance caps (7+ / 0-)

    I have a chronic health condition that can be managed with monthly infusions of gamma globulin.  The cost is $2-$4000 a month depending on dose.  Most insurance companies cap out at some point.  I keep wondering what's going to happen to me when I hit that cap.  And people on Medicaire have a very hard time getting gamma globulin, because Medicaire actually reimburses less than the cost of the medicine, so while my insurance has so far always covered my infusions and I have never been told there's a "shortage" people on Medicaire are frequently rescheduled or cancelled due to a "shortage."   And then, like so many treatments, there are risks with gamma globulin infusions. They're hard on the kidneys, so then people wind up needing kidney monitoring.  There's an increased risk of blood clots.  And even with the gamma globulin, you still get infections and wind up on far too many antibiotics and that's hard on your liver and of course the risk of antibiotic resistant bacteria goes up, then you get infectious disease docs involved and on and on...

  •  Our mental health resources will soon be flooded (2+ / 0-)

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    when our returning Iraq troopers find their war inside does not go away.
    Supporting the troops is a lifelong commitment.

    In a democracy, the most important office is the office of citizen.- Louis Brandeis

    by crystal eyes on Fri May 25, 2007 at 04:38:11 PM PDT

  •  Good diary...thanks (0+ / 0-)

    The information you provided is valuable.

    The Dream Ticket can win the General Election

    by Pink Lady on Fri May 25, 2007 at 05:11:06 PM PDT

  •  Dain Bramage (5+ / 0-)

    I had a bone marrow transplant to treat aplastic anemia when I was 19 years old. All chemo, no radiation. I definitely came out dumber. It was awful. After time, I regained quite a bit of my cognitive acuity. Peaked at around 30 years of age. And have been on a slow decline since.

    Don't feel sorry for me, though, I'm doing fine. Just wanted to confirm the good doctor's statements about chemo brain with my own experience.

    •  Sweetheart, we've all (2+ / 0-)

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      been on a slow decline since 30!

      Seriously, congratulations on your survival! It sounds like your unfortunate experience was benefited by an advantage at the starting gate.

    •  Transplantation. (2+ / 0-)

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      Its a beautiful, wonderful gift...but transplant patients don't just receive their transplant and go merrily on their way as a completely "normal" or "regular" person.

      A year and a half ago my daughter donated a kidney to her fiance.  Surgery went well, but after months of fighting off rejection with ever increasingly stronger medications, he developed an early form lymphoma due to the anti-rejection treatment.  He couldn't tolerate chemotherapy, and most of the drugs had to be discontinued to allow the lymphoma to resolve.  It seems to have gone, but ofcourse,  now he's going to reject the kidney.

  •  We are all guinea pigs for the (1+ / 0-)

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    corporatocracy that spews toxins into our food, water and air, creating most cancers.

    Having gone through the ordeal of cancer/chemo with my mother, I have decided to forego any such reatment for myself, should I be diagnosed with cancer.

    I've been growing 90% of my own food organically for 9 years, and buying 90% of the rest from organic sources. I have no health 'insurance', having already been denied payment for my colonoscopy (with a family history of colon cancer). Better to pay off the mortgage, than throw money at the health insurance scam.
    ................
    Excellent diary, docdis. So much interesting, elucidting information about cancer. Thank you.
    ................
    It's a YOYO world now. Disaster Capitalism is the endgame.

  •  Thanks for the diary (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for more spotlight on this :)

  •  Insurance companies anger me. (1+ / 0-)

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    Between them and the rackets the hospitals put patients through to collect, it's total hell.

    I was born with club feet, a congenital deformity that causes the foot to twist inwards (ever see Swing Kids?  Remember Arvid who got beat up by the Hitler Youth, walked with a cane and eventually killed himself?  The reason he had to use a cane was a club foot.)

    For the time being, I'm lucky in that I have a nice, well-paying software engineering job with good insurance, but there have been times when I was uninsured.

    I've had enough medical issues that I'm certain to be radioactive to insurance companies if I try to get health insurance on my own.

    Frankly, the way insurance companies and hospitals treat people should be illegal.  Covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act.  It should be illegal, punishable by jail time, for an insurance company to turn away a person who's capable of paying for any reason, including expensive medical conditions.  It should also be illegal to jack up premiums or deductibles for those with expensive medical conditions.

    Yep, that means that by the law, the heart transplant patient pays the same premiums as the 25 year old in perfect health, with a squeaky clean history.  If that means the insurance companies lose money, too bad.  I don't care anymore about them - they've screwed the people least able to fight back for too long, and it's time they paid.

    Or better yet, switch to universal health care and put all the psycopaths in the health insurance industry out of business.  It's socialist, but being unable to get health insurance for three years has made me a flaming fucking communist on this issue.  It should be just like schools, police and fire departments - everybody pays out of tax dollars, and everybody in turn is entitled to all the health care they need.  It's a far better solution than leaving 45 million people SOL while pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and hospitals get filthy rich.

    Waster of electrons, unlawful enemy combatant.

    by meldroc on Fri May 25, 2007 at 06:46:42 PM PDT

  •  Can't argue (0+ / 0-)

    ...but what about those of us with no medical coverage whatsoever?  My employer offers a plan.  The deductible is about $2500.  I can't afford to buy into the plan because it would deduct money I need for food and I still would have to spend more than $2500 per year to get any benefit out of it.  Which I don't have.  So: no health benefits.  And there are something on the order of 45 million more people in this same boat in this country.

    Any ideas?

    Our economy is a house of cards. Don't breathe.

    by Youffraita on Fri May 25, 2007 at 06:52:09 PM PDT

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