Contact lens solution recall

A few weeks back, I suddenly developed a very red, sore eye. Just one eye, my other eye was fine. Family doctor examined me, asked lots of questions, figured it must be allergy-related. It wasn't regular conjunctivitis, but what it was - couldn't tell. On his advice, I flushed my eye frequently with various drops. Replaced my 30-day lens early. The redness cleared up, came back, cleared up again, showed up in other eye, cleared up, etc.

I was on the 2nd bottle of a 2-pack of solution. Relatively new case, new lenses, allergies really weren't that bad... what was going on?

Then I saw this news item Saturday night: CDC: Don't use that contact solution.

After all the heart-stopping moments with the pet food scare, now it's my turn. Last week, I had finally tossed out the bottle of solution I'd been using, threw out the case even though it was only a few weeks old. Now I'm sitting in front of my computer monitor, saying "Oh my God!"

Acanthamoeba keratitis is a painful eye infection that can cause permanent vision loss or blindness. The CDC estimated 85 percent of U.S. cases of the disease occur in contact lens users.   The solution of concern is manufactured by the Advanced Medical Optics Inc. based out of Santa Ana, California.

The possible connection between the use of AMO Complete Moisture Plus Multi-Purpose Solution and Acanthamoeba kertitis was first suspected in 2004 by a University of Illinois-Chicago ophthalmologist, Dr. Elmer Tu, who noticed more than a dozen cases of the eye infection. Normally, Dr. Tu sees no more than two cases in a year.

Much as I hate digging through the trash, I tore into the bag waiting in the garage, trying to remember just which night I'd decided to throw things out. Was it still here or did it go to the dump last week?

Success! Found the bottle, and sure enough - it was AMO Complete Moisture Plus Multi-Purpose Solution.

Back online to find out what I'm to do, how long before I go blind, anything -

The company recalled 2.9 million packets of the solution last November after it found bacterial contamination in three lots sold in Japan. That recall included The recall includes 183,000 units sold in the U.S.

At the time of the earlier recall, the company blamed it on a water-borne organism that got into some solution at the company's plant in China. The plant was temporarily shut down and the company insisted there was no problem with the lens solution's formula.

Oh yeah, I feel so much better now. U.S. Workers scrambling for decent manufacturing jobs, and China is poisoning my pets & blinding me. You know what? My bottle doesn't say "Made in China," it says "Made in Spain." Can we believe it?

I'm really getting angry now. I don't know what medical treatment I'll need to save my vision, if any. When I didn't know why my eyes were turning red, I spent quite a few dollars on eye drops and eye gels. I'd lie awake, worried about what was going on. Now I know what was going on and I'm even more worried. I'm sick and tired of frights like this.

AMO said in its statement that "consumers who believe they are in possession of the recalled product should discontinue use immediately and call 1-888-899-9183.

What can we trust now? Our meats & vegetables are suspect, our peanut butter contaminated, our pet food poisoned, what else?

Folks, you're on your own.

•  Tips for the blind?

  by WV Democrat on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:35:59 PM PDT

  •  The bottle *was* made in Spain, silly.

    The solution in the bottle, on the other hand...

    by MarkInSanFran on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:46:44 PM PDT

  •  HOLD IT

    i've got 2 bottles of the stuff. one says 'made in spain' the other says 'made in china'. it is possible that they are using more than one plant. in the meantime i'll switch to the B&L.

    by GANJA on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:03:50 PM PDT

  •  GET A REFERRAL NOW

    I have a young friend who got that same solution from his opthalmologist when he got new contacts.  He complained of what appeared to be an eye infection, which the same opthalmologist treated with the typical antibiotics.  They frogged around for months with this and it kept getting worse.

    His opthalmologist went out of town, leaving him to see his partner instead; the partner, upon reading his chart, told him NOT to come into the office but to go immediately to a specialist.  The specialist recognized it immediately as an extremely rare parasitic infection (acanthamoeba) and sent him the very next morning to a university teaching hospital two hours away because of the severity.  The specialist told him that our town was simply unequipped to handle this rarity.

    He is now making every other day trips to the same hospital for checkups and treatments; he is NOT on an antibiotic, but a highly specialized chemical treatment that they told him was more like a shock treatment one might put in a pool.  

    This treatment is NOT something the average ophthalmologist will have on hand or be able to treat.  You absolutely MUST get good treatment right now, because there are other potential problems with this infection.  If it travels to the brain and spine, you could be toast.  If you don't believe me, just Google it or go to Wikipedia.

    Get to the doctor, get a referral, get to a specialist and do not take no for answer from your doctor.  This is NOT something to mess with.

    Our young friend will never be able to wear contacts; time will tell whether he will need corneal transplants.  He is just now able to read, but is still very photosensitive even after a couple weeks of treatment.  He is lucky he was healthy, not immune compromised, and that his parents are able to help so much; this could have been worse, and I suspect we will still hear about a worse case yet.

    by Rayne on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:10:23 PM PDT

  •  My roommate's dr. tol her Allergen Alcon Optifree

    was what she should switch to. She was lucky to get through to her eye guy this morning with the extended weekend and all.

    Leave a message for your doctor as soon as you can.

    by carneasadaburrito on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:21:05 PM PDT

  •  Just don't get a monkey

    with a tin cup! This sucks. Thanks for the heads up - good luck and get well soon!

    by Snud on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:38:44 PM PDT

  •  another contact solution recall

    This follows on the footsteps of the ReNu with MoistureLoc recall a year ago.  Even though that had nothing to do with China (as far as we know), it should be a reminder to all contact lens wearers not to mess around.  If you get redness or discomfort in a an eye - stop wearing your contacts until it clears up and you get the OK from a Doctor; and start with fresh solution, cases, and contacts if they are the soft type.

    by PhilW on Sun May 27, 2007 at 08:00:38 PM PDT

•  good Lord

  I hope you find a doctor that can treat this for you,

  Corporate vicious profit motivated fuckers will do anything to improve the bottom line, not giving a rats ass about the consumers providing that bottom line for them.

  They'll spin this as "not their fault"...

  I really hope you don't lose your sight...  good luck.

  by Patriot4peace on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:40:30 PM PDT

•  I hope you reported this to CDC

  by captainlaser on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:41:57 PM PDT

  •  Fax sent to FDA

    I'm so very glad I found the bottle!

    by WV Democrat on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:28:19 PM PDT

•  i hope you will be ok

  by Tamifah on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:43:45 PM PDT

  •  Thanks

    I'm still a bit in shock. The most affected eye is a little bleary still, but is/was getting better. I thought it was, anyway. Now, I'm not so sure.

    I'll have to go back to the doctor & get this checked out more.

    by WV Democrat on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:49:41 PM PDT

•  Thank you so much for posting

  I wear contacts and I'm going to check my bottle now.  Cripes, what a scary freakin world we live in...

  by CTLiberal on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:47:36 PM PDT

•  Unsurprised

  My dad - who turns 50 today - has been battling this for over a year. He has sought treatment from doctors across California, has turned to Europe for experimental drugs, and now may lose his eye.

  And yeah, he wears contacts, and yeah, he used that solution.

  I wear contacts too. I've not used that solution, but suddenly, I'm really distrustful of those that I do use.

  So much of our food, our medicines, the things we use to take care of our bodies, are no longer safe or reliable. This is a direct consequence of corporations. They are not regulated enough. They are putting our health and our bodies at risk to make profit. Why we sit around tolerating this bullshit is something I simply do not understand.

  by eugene on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:49:01 PM PDT

•  Scary!

  Good luck!

  I try to avoid buying anything from China - but how do we know what is coming from there?  It seems we are importing everything - or at least, Chinese imports are in everything.

  We wear contacts around here - thanks for the heads up.  I hope your vision will be ok.

  by blue armadillo on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:49:24 PM PDT

  •  It's impossible to tell

    Most companies aren't required to report the source of their ingredients, or they lie about it. As China gets a worse reputation for the ingredients they sell on the market companied that buy from them will simply lie about their sources.

    by eugene on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:51:37 PM PDT

•  Well the contaminated solution

  was from China in your quote but either way it is pretty damn scary!!

  I tell you all, stick to glasses!!

  by Chaoslillith on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:57:46 PM PDT

  •  If glasses could correct my vision

    the way contact lenses do, I'd have stayed with them. Wore glasses for many years, got talked into trying Boston lenses (Rigid Gas Permeable) and it was a revelation! I could SEE! I had no idea how inadequate the glasses were until that moment.

    So, I have a 40 year history of vision correction, 30 of which is with contact lenses. Never had any eye trouble until this.

    by WV Democrat on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:07:41 PM PDT

•  Thanks for telling us this.

  Maybe you should see an ophthalmologist. They saved my eyesight when I was seventeen (complications of a respiratory infection). And, I agree, these kinds of incidents are happening a LOT lately. I got the tainted peanut butter (which, thankfully, was just opened and only a spoonful taken). I'm wishing you well. Take care of those eyes.

  by highfive on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:58:05 PM PDT

  •  I ate my way through a jar and a half

    and had an extra in the cupboard. I was wondering why I had the various symptoms but take so many meds for other conditions that I figured it was just side effects.  Live and learn.

    by buddabelly on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:30:41 PM PDT

  •  Missed news o tainted peanut butter...what brand?

    by candice on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:36:39 PM PDT

    •  Peter Pan and, I think, some other brand.

      I remember Peter Pan because that was the one I had. Crunchy, of course.

      by highfive on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:41:51 PM PDT

      •  Most of Canada's peanut butter is processed from

        Chinese peanuts...I see that my organic Safeway (their "O" label ) crunchy peanut butter is a product of Canada. The Trader Joe's brand doesn't tell any info about it provenance.

        by candice on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:25:33 PM PDT

    •  wal-mart brand

      Great Value brand from Wal-Mart was the other brand

      by rioduran on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:34:57 PM PDT

•  Boston Original. Made in the USA

  I've used it now for over 40 years and never any trouble. Then again, my lenses are the hard, gas permeable. I should be knocking on wood. Just my luck, they'll outsource too.

  Can't help but think that some of these contaminations might be deliberate, a form of retaliation for the inequality between how we live and the lives of those who make so many of the products we use.

  Take care.

  by Bugsby on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:59:36 PM PDT

  •  Boston RGP!

    Wore those for years and years without problem. My contact lens specialist suggested a change to these soft lenses because they come in multi-focal (fancy way of saying bifocals).

    by WV Democrat on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:04:28 PM PDT

•  How does the price of that stuff...

  compare to others? Especially a U.S. made product.

  One thing Thom Hartmann often points out that prices are set by the market. That’s to say if a company saves money on labor (by using Chinese sources for example) they don’t necessarily pass their savings on to you, they retail price at what they can sell for. They’re just maximizing their profits.

  by fly on Sun May 27, 2007 at 05:59:37 PM PDT

  •  Similar to Re-Nu

    IIRC, or maybe just a little bit less? I decided to try this stuff because it was all about "moisture." With the dry air of winter, I hoped my eyes would be more comfortable with this product.

    by WV Democrat on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:33:47 PM PDT

  •  Yes, that is the point of "No Logo"...American

    companies have things made for nothing in "free-trade-zones" and then slap a logo on them and sell it to you at a tremendous profit...more money goes into advertising than the product. The cost of shipping is an environmental waste, but neglible because profits are so high.

    by candice on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:39:41 PM PDT

•  My advice: Lawsuit lawsuit lawsuit n/t

  by abbeysbooks on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:10:39 PM PDT

•  Its because

  We can't make it here anymore.

  by BOHICA on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:13:45 PM PDT

•  OMG!!!

  My opthamologist gave me a free trial bottle of this solution about a month ago. I have not been able to wear my contacts since!!! I have been wearing contacts for over 20 years now & have never had a problem until now!    

  by nostalgic on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:29:03 PM PDT

•  To all who voted bu$hco I want to say

  "This is what you voted for".  They heard the message about shrinking down the "bloated" government and thought it meant reducing payments to "welfare queens".  Well, it doesn't!  It means tainted food and pet food and contact lens solution.  It means coal mine collapses. It means we can't count on regulatory agencies to keep us safe because their budgets have been cut and they've been staffed with cronies, corporate lapdogs, and/or imbeciles.

  To all those who voted bu$hco I want to say, "Thanks a lot, assholes!"

  by snazzzybird on Sun May 27, 2007 at 06:38:33 PM PDT

  •  It means a legion of Brownies

    running our science-based government functions.

    by grapes on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:12:47 PM PDT

•  China growing too fast

  Its manufacturing systems are growing much faster than its workforce can be trained to run them properly. Result: screwups that wouldn't happen in a 1st world factory.

  It didn't matter too much when China made iPODs or kitchen utensils. Chemicals, foods and drugs are a whole other matter. These are what quality experts call 'special processes'. When defects occur, they are invisible to casual inspection and may be missed by instruments unless the technicians think to look for them. The only defense is to have a mature manufacturing process with tightly locked down procedures. China is a clumsy adolescent when it comes to this type of manufacturing.

  The same thing is true in every other rapidly industrializing country.

  BTW. I just posted a loooong diary on exactly this subject.

  by grapes on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:11:46 PM PDT

  •  ...or maybe a misplaced profit motive?

    According to the N.Y. Times, adding melamine to increase the protein content of food in China was a known "secret." The reason--more profit.  But now that all of our gluten manufacturing (except for one plant) has decamped to China, we learn that the labor-intensive process of removing starch from glucose was bypassed--melamine was simply added to plain wheat flour!  Took the F.D.A. two months to figure that out.

    The glycerin that was really antifreeze and was added to Panamanian cough syrup with deadly results came from a would-be chemist (former tailor) who wanted to improve his lot and consulted a chemistry book.  Passing off anti-freeze as pure glycerin was highly profitable. Having it move among several importers made it appear legitimate.

    Lead in children's bibs and lunchboxes makes me wonder if there is lead in the glazes of the Made In China mugs I've purchased from high-end stores at a good price--having no idea what Made in China meant at that time.  I'm going to order a personal lead detection kit and check. Meanwhile, I'm just using mugs that are not from China.

    China is a heavily polluted country, and becoming more polluted as a result of industrialization.  Lead soil contamination shows up in lead contaminated vitamins that make their way to the U.S. China has difficulty feeding its own people. It is importing soybeans from Brazil--a way to import water, according to the N.Y. Times article.

    Hong Kong has been worried that the Chinese mainland won't inform them if there are problems. The melamine in pet food scandal wasn't covered, and what about the pigs that were exploding in Guangdong Provence that farmer's were selling at "deep discount"?  Corn gluten is the latest product that has been questioned. It's all too hard to follow, kind of like the Republican scandals. Coverage has been minimal here as well so we are all guinea pigs as long as food  and pharmaseutical safety is not a high priority.

    by candice on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:48:36 PM PDT

    •  Misplaced or Misunderstood Profit Motive

      This is a country that, 40 years ago, was in the throes of Mao's cultural revolution.

      It takes a lot of work to make things in a market economy without sacrificing safety and quality. It can be done. We do it. The Japanese do it. The Europeans do it.

      The Chinese can't do it reliably - yet. They are under tremendous pressure to expand their industry. Wages on the coast are nearing $4000/yr. In the center, they are $400 per year. That disparity scares the hell out of the Politburo. They are under enormous pressure to put industry into the hinterlands - pronto. Manufacturing firms are springing up all over - many out of the debris of the old centrally planned factories. The people who ran those factories haven't a clue.

      That's not a huge risk for consumer electronics. Worst case, they don't work. For food, chemicals and drugs, that's potentially lethal.

      In 10 years, one way or another, China will figure it out. The question is whether we help them.

      by grapes on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:58:48 PM PDT

      •  Just let us know where products/ingredients

        derive and let the consumer decide. Trader Joe's wrote me that if consumers didn't like vegetables from China they wouldn't buy them. Made me check my frozen veggies, yes, place of origin China so I dumped them in the trash. Seems our vitamin/supplement industry has also decamped. I can't get any company whose products I take to tell me if any ingredients come from China. One company said that all was well, the product was imported from Japan (who more than likely gets the Vitamin C tablets from China--if it is too expensive for us to make Vitamin C, then I question that Japan has taken on that task).

        by candice on Sun May 27, 2007 at 08:12:06 PM PDT

        •  Problem is worse than this

          Whether they come from china or not is not the root of the problem. Actually there are several problems:

          • we don't know where ingredients are from. At this point most of the importers don't know. Goods are being moved and brokered and resold and ...
          • China is only one of the rapidly industrializing countries - its been in the news a lot, but the next scare could come from anywhere

          We have to make the companies that are sources for our food chain pony up and meet the same standards that our factories and farms do. It doesn't matter whether it is China or India or Argentina or ...

          by grapes on Sun May 27, 2007 at 09:01:34 PM PDT

•  I once tried that brand for a marketing co

  I think I got an entire bottle of the stuff to try for free, but that was at least 3 years ago. I don't use it now. I hardly wear my contacts now anyway.
  I hope your eyes heal rapidly and you don't experience any worsening!

  by rioduran on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:43:24 PM PDT

•  Acanthamoeba Infections...

  are exceedingly rare.  There is a very high probability that you do not have an acanth infection even if you have been using Complete Moisture Plus and have had recurrent red eyes.  However, anyone with this type of recurrent red eye (or any red eye for that matter) should be seen by an optometrist or ophthalmologist and NOT by a primary care physician.

  Personally, I recommend Opti-free Replenish (Alcon) or Clear Care (CIBA) to all my soft contact lens patients.  For RGP wearers I recommend Boston or Optimum cleaning products.

  Best of luck if you do get diagnosed with acanthamoeba.  There aren't many (read: any) eye infections that have such a poor prognosis.

  by Skewed Priorities on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:44:23 PM PDT

  •  I am hopeful

    that will all my flushing with saline & eye drops, I am ahead of the worst of it. If it had only been garden-variety conjunctivitis, a family doc could have treated. My visit with him was during the first flare-up.

    Shame on me, I guess, for not being more alarmed sooner that it kept coming back. My eye would clear up & be fine for a few days.

    There is a very high probability that you do not have an acanth infection

    That is encouraging. Sure hope so!

    by WV Democrat on Sun May 27, 2007 at 08:16:25 PM PDT

  •  what i read

    was that people who shower or swim with their lenses in were more prone to the amoeba,,,so if we didnt do either of those things.....would we be ok? I read that the solution does not have the right properties to kill said amoeba....

    by fireflynw on Sun May 27, 2007 at 08:33:27 PM PDT

  •  I'm seriously considering investing in a lab-

    quality microscope and a bacterial ID manual. For some reason not all the nasty bugs are as rare as they used to be ...

    by nu on Mon May 28, 2007 at 03:48:26 AM PDT

•  Bifocal/Multifocal Contact Lenses....

  My contact lens specialist suggested a change to these soft lenses because they come in multi-focal

  WV Democrat--You can get multifocal lenses in the RGP material you used to wear as well.  Most bifocal/multifocal wearers are happier with RGPs due to the superior optical quality.

  Wal-Mart and other generic solutions...

  are simply whichever company bid the lowest to sell their prior solution formulation.  Some months you get Complete, other months you get ReNu, but you never really know what you are getting.  I'm not sure how they would deal with recalls.

  by Skewed Priorities on Sun May 27, 2007 at 07:53:15 PM PDT

•  wow I am lucky

  I have been using that solution since February and have not had any problems at all, but I went ahead and threw it out. Im sorry about it because it was the first all-purpose solution I have found..the others required all the boiling or other crap. I hope I can find a good replacement.

  I have bifocal contacts, also called multi focus...I love them. I got mine from Costco....

  by fireflynw on Sun May 27, 2007 at 08:27:00 PM PDT

  •  Me too

    I've been wearing the multi-focals for 3-4 years and have been very pleased with them. My vision with them sure beats the progressive lens bifocal glasses.

    Boiling? OMG. Definitely spend some time at your local store & check some of the reputable brands (Re-Nu, Alcon, Ciba, etc) of multipurpose solutions.

    by WV Democrat on Sun May 27, 2007 at 08:35:37 PM PDT

•  Water

  You are right that swimming/showering in lenses dramatically increases risk of acanthamoeba keratitis, but any contact between your lenses and water can give the pathogen an oppotunity.

  WV Democrat--I strongly recommend seeing an eye doctor and not your PCP if this continues to recur.  PCP's simply don't have the proper equipment or training to diagnose ocular disease with any kind of accuracy

  by Skewed Priorities on Sun May 27, 2007 at 08:58:28 PM PDT

•  I added tags: FDA & CDC

  I've been watching for contaminated food stories by searching for the FDA tag.

  by cathy b on Sun May 27, 2007 at 09:14:13 PM PDT

•  Help! I use this brand because I'm allergic...

  I use the Complete brand because I'm allergic to other brands (most especially ReNu, it's extremely irritating and I can't even keep my lenses in if they've been washed with it).  When Complete first came out, I was sooo happy, I thought it was a miracle!  But now we have to switch?  Arrrg!  What can I use instead?!?  This really sucks! :(

  by Bright on Sun May 27, 2007 at 09:20:25 PM PDT

  •  I saw someplace where users were directed to

    other brands.  You have to stop using the recalled brand immediately. I've stopped wearing contacts, but my brother was using something recently that have given him a pink eye and a lot of grief. I'm hoping it was not the recalled brand.

    by candice on Sun May 27, 2007 at 09:57:34 PM PDT

•  Bright...

  Try Opti-Free Replenish or Aquify if you want to stay with a one step multi-purpose solution.  

  The sensation you describe as "allergy" is almost non-existent with peroxide based systems (Clear Care).  Peroxide based systems are "purer" in the sense that the peroxide systems have greater killing power and the lenses end up sitting in pure water.  The downsides are that the lenses need to soak at least 6 hours for the peroxide to fully convert to water and that you can't use the solution to wet/rinse the lenses before insertion.

  by Skewed Priorities on Sun May 27, 2007 at 10:57:50 PM PDT

•  Been using this product

  And about 3 weeks ago, I've been having periodic problems with my vision being blurred, both with and without contacts. I see the ophthalmologist every June so I was waiting for my annual checkup. Bought the product at a RiteAid Pharmacy. I called the 888 number. Of course no one to talk to at 130am on a holiday weekend at the 888 number. Wondering why CDC issued this recall on a Saturday during a holiday weekend???? A recording asked me for my address so they could send me a "return kit" and reimbursement. Ill be seeing my eye doc on Tuesday and I am hesitant to send back the bottle. I'll be at RiteAid tomorrow to make sure it is off their shelves. Thanks for being so alert and writing the diary.

  by DickCheneyBeforeHeDicksYou on Sun May 27, 2007 at 10:59:08 PM PDT

•  Recommended. I don't wear contact lenses,

  but this new recall needs exposure.

  by Donna in Rome on Mon May 28, 2007 at 02:52:18 AM PDT

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