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Frugal Fridays: Vacation - Had to Get Away!

Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:20:50 PM PDT

Welcome to "Frugal Fridays" where we share money saving tips, discuss living frugally and generally talk about personal finance issues.  I may not be in school anymore, but I still think of summer as the time for vacation.  As the weather has turned warmer, my thoughts have turned to planning a getaway.  I thought I'd take this week to share some of the good ideas I've heard and used for saving money while traveling.  Please use the comments to share your tips and memories.  Everyone has a different idea of the perfect trip, so if my ideas aren't be so helpful to you, share yours they may be great for someone else who's reading!

Guide Books and Maps
Planning is an important part of the trip for me.  It helps me build in anticipation and makes me feel like I am getting the most out of my experience.  That said, not everyone enjoys the process of planning, and there is a certain allure to just jumping in the car and seeing where the road takes you sometimes.  If you are using guidebooks, first check out the library.  Any book older than 3-5 years is probably pretty out of date and not too useful.  Ask friends and family if anyone has visited the place you are going to.  Not only can they recommend their favorite cafe or beach, but they are usually happy to let you borrow any books or maps they have left over.  Used book stores can be a good source for cheap relatively recent guide books and maps as well.  Here are some guidebook series I've found useful in the past:

  • Lonely Planet: designed for the younger traveler on a budget
  • Moon Handbooks: I liked the info in the one guide of theirs I read (Australia)
  • Unofficial Guide: nice information you don't normally find in some books
  • Eyewitness Travel: Lots of pretty pictures to give you the feel of the place before you visit.  Way too heavy to actually take with you on the trip.
  • Frommer's: The original budget travel book (his Europe on $5 a Day changed how people looked at travel)
  • Fodor's: Great discussion board on their web site, but I can't say much about the books, since I don't use them.
  • Karen Brown: great resource for small charming inns and B&B's but they aren't cheap places to stay usually.
  • Hawaii Revealed: I'm planning our first trip to Hawaii right now and these came highly recommended by multiple sources.

If you are a member of AAA (or you know somebody who is) you can get free guide books and maps through them.  They even have some maps for places outside North America.  If you are planning a long road trip in America, you may want to invest in a membership so that you have the security of roadside assistance as well as access to fresh maps and guide books at offices around the country.  And although it's nice to have a map of a city before you get there, you can often pick up a free, or very cheap, map at the local visitor's center once you are in town.  You can get other free local information there as well.  

On-line Guides and Maps
On-line sites can be helpful in planning, but they can be even more out of date than printed materials, since no one ever takes down their web pages and links, no matter how defunct.  I've recently found Budget Travel's web site and I like that the articles are all prominently dated so you can tell if the info may be out of date.  I like to look at message boards and personal reviews, to get other visitors' impressions and suggestions.  Here are a couple that I've found particularly helpful:

  • Trip Advisor: my first stop when looking for hotel or other reviews.
  • Fodor's:  I've found great advice here from what shoes to wear for walking in Europe to what tour boat to use when visiting the Great Barrier reef.

You can use Google Maps and Google Earth to get a better notion of the area you want to visit and find out exactly how far from the ocean that "water view" hotel really is.  For some cities, Google Maps Street View can show you street level photographs in 360&#176 view, but keep in mind these photos can be years old.  One Bag is a site full of hints and suggestions for traveling light.  Their annotated packing list is a great resource.  

How to Get There
If you are looking for cheap airfares, rental cars or cruises, you can usually find the best prices on-line, but if you have a complicated itinerary, a human travel agent may be able to find you a better deal.  Expedia and Orbitz are the two biggest on-line agents, but there are some sites you can use to compare airfare deals from multiple agents; I've never booked a flight using any of these, since I've only heard about them recently: Side Step, Travel Axe, Kayak, and Booking Buddy.  A slightly different site that compares fares for a given route from different airlines, not from different travel agents is Fare Compare.  This can help you select which airline you want to use.  If you book directly from the airline, you will save the extra fees that travel agents (including on-line agents) tack on.

Priceline allows you to set the price you are willing to pay for hotel or travel.  I've never personally used them since I don't really know how to work that system well and I've heard too many stories of people getting stuck with bad itineraries or hotels because they didn't know what they were doing.  But I just found the web site Bidding For Travel that helps you get a better deal on sites like that, so I may try it soon.

You can sometimes save significant money by booking a package deal (air+car+hotel, or some combination thereof) but you should price out the individual components for comparison's sake.  If you don't mind traveling on a tour bus with a bunch of strangers, you can sometimes find some amazing tour deals that allow you to go places you could never afford on your own.  I know people that have had great experiences and met wonderful friends on trips like that.

For rental cars, if you sign up with a company's free customer loyalty program, you can get benefits like faster checkin or even better rates.  For European rental cars, I've been very happy with Auto Europe.

For cruises, I've found the website Cruise Critic has both editor and user reviews of lots of itineraries and ships.  You can book cruises on-line through general travel agent web sites, but you can sometimes find better deals through specialized sites like Cruise Cheap, Cruise411 and Cruises.com.

Where to Stay
While camping or youth hostels are usually by far the cheapest ways to find lodging, there are still ways to save money while indulging in a little more luxury.  The latest issue of Consumer Reports (July 2007) has an article on finding the best hotels in all budget levels.  If you know which hotel in particular you want it stay in, you can generally get the best rate available by calling the hotel front desk directly (not the 800 reservation number for the chain).  Ask if they have any discounted rate when you call.  For online comparison of different hotel rates, I've found Trip Advisor very helpful.  They search multiple websites to find the best available deal.  When I was planning our trip to Australia, I found the coolest site to find great deals on hotel rooms for relatively short notice (up to 28 days in advance): Wotif.  I  would love to find something similar for America.  

Las Vegas hotels are constantly offering specials and deals.  Some of these are only available to individuals who have previously gambled in their establishment, but others are open to anyone who knows the right code.  Here is a running list of active codes on the discussion board a Fat Wallet and here blog devoted to just this topic.  (See below for another Vegas hotel tip.)

If I'm staying any place for longer than 3 days, I've found it's usually nicer and cheaper to rent a short term apartment rather than stay in a hotel. While you generally give up the daily maid service, you often find yourself staying in a residential neighborhood surrounded by locals, instead of in a tourist enclave.  When you add in the convenience of having a kitchen (which saves money on breakfast) and often laundry facilities (which lets you pack lighter) it's a total deal.  However, you need to look out for cleaning fees or other fees that can be tacked on.  I've found some good places all over the world on Vacation Rentals By Owner.

Other Stuff

  • If you are willing to pay a little extra, you can sometimes get upgraded to a much better class of service.  You don't get something for nothing, but you can get an awful lot for a little fee.  Here's an article on how to get airline upgrades.  For Las Vegas hotels, evidently giving the check-in clerk $20 can usually get you a great room upgrade.  Front Desk Tip is a website devoted to cataloging the hotels where people have been most successful at trying this technique.  They explain in detail how to pass the tip discretely as well.  I'm definitely trying this the next time I go to Vegas.  
  • Cell phones can be very handy when you are traveling.  I've used mine as an alarm clock, a flashlight to find the bathroom in the middle of the night, a wrist watch, a currency converter calculator as well as a means of communication.  When traveling in a foreign country, rather than using your US cell service, it can be much cheaper to just buy a pre-paid SIM card at a cell phone store in the local country and load that with enough minutes to last your visit.  If you run out, you can always top it off.  You need to make sure that your phone is both able to communicate on the local bandwidth and that it is unlocked so that it will accept a new SIM card.  If your US phone is not compatible with foreign networks, you can buy a cheap phone in the country you are visiting.  It's usually a lot cheaper than renting a phone or buying from the US over the web.
  • Being frugal by cheating someone else out of their livelihood is not cool.  In America, some folks depend on tips as their main source of income, so omitting their tip is like stealing their work.  In other countries however, it's not only not expected, it can be insulting to tip someone.  Here is a good list that shows the expected tips for restaurants, porters, and taxis for many different countries (including the US).  If you are feeling generous or well served, in the US it is also customary to tip your hotel maid and the concierge, but again, that's only if they provided service above the norm.
  • Recently I was looking for 3 oz plastic bottles to comply with the new TSA carryon restrictions.  It turns out they are really hard to find.  While 2 oz and 4 oz bottles are plentiful, 3 oz are rare (and expensive when you do find them).  I discovered though that sometimes you can find sample sized products, like dishwashing liquid, that do come in 3 oz bottle.  Decant the product into another bottle and voila, you have a TSA compliant bottle.
  • Although this isn't exactly a frugal suggestion, I have to share this very cool camera gadget I found a while ago.  The Gorillapod is a tripod with articulating legs that can grip onto anything: a tree, a rope, you name it.  It's great for getting shots of yourself or low light shots from any surface.  I even used it to attach a camera to my bike and took little movies of biking through Sydney.

Looking back over this, it seems that I've somewhat diverged from frugal suggestions into the realm of general travel advice today, but I hope this has been of use.  Share your favorite travel tip (money saving or otherwise) in the comments below!

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  •  Tips for the Go-Gos (20+ / 0-)

    Vacation
    All I ever wanted
    Vacation
    Had to get away
    Vacation
    Meant to be spent alone

    If anyone is interested in writing a diary for this series, or you have a topic you'd like to see covered, or if you want to be added to the mailing list for announcing these diaries, email me: frugalfridays (at) gmail.com

    Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

    by sarahnity on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:21:50 PM PDT

    •  One more cool camera gadget (3+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      ladybug53, CSI Bentonville, meerkoet

      It's basically a high tech plastic bag you can put your camera in which will protect it from dust, dirt and water.  You can even go swimming with it (it floats if you release it) and you can take underwater photos with it through the optically clear plastic.  It's called the AquaPac and I haven't tried it myself, but the reviews look really nice.  I'm definitely getting one before our next beach trip.

      Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

      by sarahnity on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 02:00:24 PM PDT

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  •  While not exactly frugal, train travel is fun. (14+ / 0-)

    I took Amtrak last fall and was thrilled with the experience.  The food was good, the sleeper car was comfy, the scenery-viewing car was awesome---I could go on and on.

    Families played board games, watched movies on portable DVD players, napped a lot, read books, trekked between their seats and the dining car and the viewing car, and generally had a good time.

    Julie

  •  Got two free airfares for vacations (9+ / 0-)

    When they ask for volunteers to take a later flight on overbooked flights, think about saying yes if you have the time to spare. As a result of an overbooking last year, I ended up with two roundtrip vouchers on USAirways that were good for a full year. Since the original trip was paid for by work, I ended up with a long weekend in DC and a week in FL on the house. With friends in both places to stay with, those were effectively two free vacations for stepping up and volunteering for later flights.

    "I'm not a humanitarian. I'm a hell-raiser." Mother Jones

    by histopresto on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:33:13 PM PDT

    •  free airfare AND friends to stay with, cool! (4+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      OLinda, sarahnity, ladybug53, Marlyn

      Staying with friends or family can be quite the frugal vacation tip, as long as everyone can stand each other and are willing to reciprocate hospitality when the opportunity arises.

      "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." -- Dr. Seuss

      by AnnieJo on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:55:58 PM PDT

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  •  Hawaii: Rent a house (9+ / 0-)

    I rented one here:
    http://www.alohadebbie.com/

    It was absulotely wonderful, and dirt cheap because you had to use an outhouse. An outhouse filled with plumeria blossoms, very private, but with no door, and a view of the pacific ocean through the trees.

    Hawaii has great fish to throw on the BBQ, and as it turns out, every day is a great day for a BBQ there.

    I love the big island.

    McCain is a Chode.

    by dnamj on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:38:20 PM PDT

  •  AAA (7+ / 0-)

    I heard Bobby Kennedy comment that AAA was a right wing lobbying group. Don't know much about it, other than his comment. I googled a bit, and came up with a little bit (but not from Bobby):

    Sadly, this isn't a theoretical decision; it is the reality of roadside service. The Republican roadside-service provider would be AAA. Triple A, I didn't know until I started spending a bunch of time in Berkeley (can you go finish your cigarette a half-mile from this door?), isn't the most earth-friendly company around. According to the National Resources Defense Council, AAA didn't support the Clean Air Act of 1990, dragged its feet on air-bag-safety mandates and is part of a powerful lobbying group called the American Highway Users Alliance. This group, made up of automobile executives, cement companies and truck companies, is pro-sprawl. But, what are you going to do? Almost 50 million members of AAA, including myself, depend on its roadside service, its maps and its relatively inexpensive auto insurance.
    ...

    Which company embodies the hippie roadside-service end of things? Better World Club (www.betterworldclub.com). Many people have never heard of Better World—until recently BWC only served four states, but it now provides services to 16.

    Better World Club's shtick is my shtick: You might need to drive, but you're not happy about it, so let's try to drive as lightly as possible. Better World offers a bevy of cool features to add to its roadside assistance plan, which starts at $54 per year. These include bicycle roadside assistance, a carbon-offset program like that of TerraPass and a discount for hybrid owners.

    link

  •  Hospitality directories? (6+ / 0-)

    I put this in with a question mark because I don't know how many of them are out there.  The one I'm familiar with is a denomination-based one called "Mennonite Your Way."  It's a print directory of host families worldwide willing to provide lodging and hospitality to like-minded travellers for a donation (suggested $10 per adult/night, or a little more if breakfast is provided).  Kind of the bed-n-breakfast feeling, neat way to meet people, but with a frugal vibe and in ordinary family homes.  And of course, with quite a specific target group.

    I'm wondering if there are other such efforts out there -- eco-hospitality, perhaps?  Anyone know of anything else that fits the idea?

    Wouldn't a DailyKos hospitality directory be cool?!

    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." -- Dr. Seuss

    by AnnieJo on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:46:07 PM PDT

  •  Access Guides (5+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    OLinda, sarahnity, hoolia, ladybug53, Marlyn

    I've liked the "Access Guides" series of travel guides.  Hotels, restaurants, architecture, etc are described in different color type, and a city is broken into chapters by neighborhood.  They get upgraded, but the copyright date is often hard to find.  They do not show up in bookstores as much as other guides, but I get them when I can.

    A chance find of "Access Paris" one summer in Taos resulted in a week in Paris the following Christmas.

  •  Awesome (5+ / 0-)

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    OLinda, sarahnity, hoolia, ladybug53, Marlyn

    I'll have to email this to my Mom. She's starting to look at flights/hotels for when my brother graduates from bott camp (the Marines) next month. Somehow she got charged with doing all the planning for 10+ people going.

    I wish we could take a train...the only reaon I'm getting on the plane is to see my brother- he's lucky I like him enough.

  •  Careful taking library books on vacation (6+ / 0-)

    I checked out a Fodor's guide book from the library and took it with me on a trip.

    Somewhere in Boston is a guide to New England that I left in the glove box of the rental car.

    I've always wondered what the advantage of Expedia is..the airline prices aren't any cheaper than you get directly from the airline.

    I reserved a hotel with them and requested a non-smoking room. When I got there they didn't have any available. Apparently the fact that I paid Expedia for the reservation three months prior did not matter. The hotels only consider it a "request", not a reservation. To make matters worse, the hotel charged me for the room that I'd already paid Expedia for. It took months to get a refund from them.

    Even though I warned him not to, my boyfriend reserved a car through Expedia for our last trip. After sitting outside the airport for 90 minutes watching shuttles from every other rental car company go by we were finally picked up by the one he had paid Expedia for. Turns out they didn't have any rental cars available so they took us to some other rental car place. And of course bf had to pay them and then spend two months chasing down a refund from Expedia.

    •  Great to hear (not to experience though) (1+ / 0-)

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      ladybug53

      I've had good luck with Expedia, but it's good to hear other people's experience to get a better sample.  When Expedia and Orbitz first started, they were the only way out there to compare fares on different airlines different dates.  Now the airline web sites are great for finding the lowest fares by date, but you still need to go to a third party to compare different airlines.  Southwest has never listed their flights on those on-line travel agents, so you always need to check them independently.  Some of their fares can be really good bargains.  

      Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

      by sarahnity on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 01:16:17 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, it's a hassle (2+ / 0-)

        Recommended by:
        sarahnity, ladybug53

        to check each airline.
        On Trip advisor you plug in your dates and it brings up orbitz, expedia, priceline and and all the other ones...there's so many out there now.

        Then I just go to the airline websites and do a little more comparing before I make reservations.
        I think Tripadvisor is a great resource. I've been very happy with hotels based on their traveler reviews.

    •  Books on vacation (1+ / 0-)

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      ladybug53

      I finally gave up taking books at all.  I either photocopy or just tear out (not from a library book!) the pages of interest and then I can toss them as we go, to lighten the load.  Tearing up a book was almost physically painful the first time I did it, but I got over it.

      Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

      by sarahnity on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 01:42:39 PM PDT

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    •  Travelocity (2+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      sarahnity, ladybug53

      I have had great luck with Travelocity . I have used it for hotels, trips and car rentals. I am curious if others have found them to be reliable and cheap.

      "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make." Lennon/McCartney

      by meerkoet on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 02:45:06 PM PDT

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  •  Leaving for 16 days in Greece on Monday... (5+ / 0-)

    Good tips in this diary for domestic and international travelers.

    Target usually has travel/sample size products in 3 oz. size. I bought toothpaste, shampoo and conditioner (2 bottles each), soap, and face wash there for this trip.

    If you are traveling internationally, be sure to bring a photocopy or two of your passport and 3-4 extra passport-size photos. Also, if you plan to drive in the foreign country, get an International Drivers License from AAA.

    •  International Drivers License (2+ / 0-)

      Recommended by:
      ladybug53, bluesweatergirl

      I've always gotten one, and never had cause to use it.  My passport and California license were all anyone wanted to see.  But I've only driven in Italy, Great Britain and Germany.  

      The extra passport photo thing is a great idea.  If you do need to get a replacement passport, that's one fewer thing you need to track down in a foreign country.

      Check out the packing list at One Bag.  They have lots of great suggestions like these.

      Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

      by sarahnity on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 01:20:29 PM PDT

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  •  Science fiction convention! (5+ / 0-)

    Which also usually comes with a price break at the convention hotel.

    I often do self-guided tours through parts of the host city too.

    I look forward to Yearly Kos, that's going to be my major vacation this year.

    Sig: A rose by any other name would probably be deadly thorn-bearing attack vegetation. I am STILL an Edwards Democrat!

    by RunawayRose on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 02:04:00 PM PDT

  •  Rental Cabins & Lookout Towers (7+ / 0-)

    My fantasy vacation (which will have to wait until the kids are over 12) involves disappearing into the northern Rockies to stay at a lookout tower. As the Forest Service has been decomissioning backcountry stations, or relying on high-tech fire surveillance, it's been opening up the old buildings for rentals.

    There are about a bajillion of them, from very rustic, with wood cookstoves, to posh, with electricity & showers. They start at about $25/night, and go up to about $50, which for 6 people still makes them really cheap! They come semi-furnished & equipped, and are in really lovely locations, including some near hot springs!

    These are just a few links, where the cabins are thickest on the ground.

    Cabins in Idaho
    Cabins in Montana
    Cabins in Wyoming

  •  Try Camping! (4+ / 0-)

    Instead of hotels at my destination, I see if there are any local campgrounds - especially those affiliated with KOA.  

    Last year I went to Colonial Williamsburg, and three nights at the local KOA was cheaper than one night at the local Super8 motel.  I'm already a camper regularly, so it wasn't too difficult to pack the tent, etc that I needed.  For a slightly higher fee, you can have electricity turned on to your site, and most KOA's now have free wireless internet!  IMHO, there isn't much closer to heaven than a tent, a warm evening, and a laptop computer.  KOA's are required to have clean bathrooms, decent tent (and RV) sites, laundries and pools.  All the ameninities of a basic hotel, you just bring your own bed (so you know those sheets are safe).  :)

    The only thing I missed was air conditioning - I apparently hit the area in the middle of the hottest week of the year.  But the exhibits I wanted to see were indoor/outdoor anyway, so...

    While on the road, I have a bad habit of driving 12+ hours until I get to my destination.  I don't bother camping then - I stick to basic motels.

    I don't consider KOA's roughing it, but um... my tolerance for "primitive" conditions is pretty high.

    YMMV.
    Tencenturies

    Two hundred years isn't long at all...

    by tencenturies on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 02:13:41 PM PDT

  •  Try "Alternative Hawaii" (4+ / 0-)

    website re accomodations.  A couple of years ago I realized I had booked too late for Hawaii--apparently my trip was during the time period "everyone gos to Hawaii to get married" or something.  Through the alternative Hawaii website I found a beautiful little bed (not a bed and breakfast, but a bed and kitchen) on a small citrus farm in North Mauii--clean place, friendly owners and tropical birds.  Easy driving distance to all the tourist spots --except the road to Hana, which is not an easy drive-- and blessedly quiet at night.  $60/night.  (Can't vouch for all the spots on that site, but this was a real gem!)

    Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

    by barbwires on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 02:23:12 PM PDT

  •  Not frugal but oh so wonderful (5+ / 0-)

      My all time, knock out, this can't be happening to me vacations have been spent in Landmark Trust houses. These are houses, mostly in the United Kingdom, which have been saved from demolition but are not sufficiently historic to be National Trust properties. They include every conceivable kind of dwelling - from two miner's cottages in Wales to castles in Scotland, from an entire island of houses in the Bristol Channel (Lundy) to  Casa Guidi ( Elizabeth and Robert Brownings' Florentine home). Again, although most of the properties are in the UK, there are four in New England - including Rudyard Kipling's house in Brattleboro - and four in Italy.
      Most of the United Kingdom properties are in perfect places for day long walks.
      They are lovingly furnished in the manner of their architecture, and it is like no other adventure I have ever had - like walking back in time. It is a true privelege to be able to stay in one.

    "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make." Lennon/McCartney

    by meerkoet on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 03:10:39 PM PDT

  •  Check the National park service (2+ / 0-)

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    sarahnity, meerkoet

    I've stayed in light houses all over the place.  Sometimes they are hostels in the sense that about 4 hours of labor is part of the fee.

    If you are going to stay in a place near water, check to see if there is a boat hotel service - sometimes people will have an arrangement that you can rent a boat at the dock for a night.

    When setting up a rental or exchange house, make sure there are acceptable backups somewhere nearby. One time I rented a condo, verified that I would be there, showed up - and the kitchen had burned up the night before. I was in a big city with an internet cafe so finding something else was not a problem, but ever since then I think about avoiding the problem.

    I take those little vacum packed things of coffee, small filters, and my oatmeal with almonds, cinnamin, and cranberries, for breakfasts (I run water through the coffeemaker for oatmeal, then make coffee).  Lunch is usually not too important, but for dinner I like to eat whatever the locals eat. Well usually - some locals (I've found this true of places that have logging in their background) have no cuisine to speak of.  Art museums usually have good yet cheap food, and if you go at the time when admission is free - score.

    The internet is your friend on the road so carry a list of internet cafes, set up a hotmail account, and practice e-awareness  like don't pay your bills from unknown cafes and you probably know the rest.  If the guy at the counter likes you, sometimes they are good for the recommendation for dinner or night life.

    Fair winds and following seas.

    "You don't make peace with friends. You make it with very unsavory enemies." -Yitzhak Rabin

    by sailmaker on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 04:22:12 PM PDT

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