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Labor and Immigration

Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 07:18:45 AM PDT

This is yet another reason why I find myself questioning the fairness of illegal immigration.   I've read how involved our immigration process is, how long it takes and sometimes how difficult it can be to get a foot through the door.  I sympathize with Yves.  But I'm glad he believes in America enough to continue working hard for the American Dream.

Our immigration process isn't easy.   But I believe this weeds out those who are not prepared to renounce citizenship in their homeland and become Americans in every way.   I don't care if you can't speak good English or not (many born citizens can't. I live in Georgia, I should know!!).  I don't care if you don't celebrate christmas or easter, I just don't give a fuck.  Just invite me over for Cinco de Mayo ok?  

I only want people living here who believe in our approach to government.  Despite Shrub and Co. it is still the best example of democracy in the world.  I don't take that lightly.   I only want people immigrating here who understand the importance of organized Labor, and who are willing to join other workers of all cultures and backgrounds, legal or illegal immigrants, citizen or non, to fight for better pay and working conditions.

Greek immigrant Louis Tikas came here in 1906 as a laborer.  He was hired as a strikebreaker (scab) by mine companies in the Midwest.  Because he spoke many languages he was used as an interpreter between different ethnicities and Business, especially where matters of safety and fairness came into play.  Soon he realized he was being used as a pawn by Business, and began organizing a hodgepodge of illegal and legal immigrant miners.   Few could understand what the other was saying, but they all spoke the same language of fairness and justice.    Tikas, despite coming here as a strikebreaker, shifted his views immigrant workers; scabs were not helping advance the needs of existing workers and were being taken advantage of.   He probably didn't take pleasure in sometimes violently confronting his own brothers from Greece and elsewhere, but knew it had to happen for conditions to improve for everyone (including the strikebreakers!)

During the 1914 coal mine strike leading up to the Ludlow Massacre, Tikas fought off strikebreakers who were brought in by Colorado Fuel & Iron.  Mother Jones and other strong women and men believed that unions and strikes were absolutely necessary.  Which side are you on?   (btw, Natalie Merchant covered Guthrie's 1946 anthem recently.. it's amazing).  

Of course every attempt was made to educate and convince strikebreakers that they were being exploited by Business.  Had Tikas and United Mine Workers of America adopted some of our modern views of illegal immigration we would still be working 12 hour days, right beside our children.   He understood the plight of immigrants - he was one himself - but immigration had to come with loyalty to America and Labor.. not Business.

There appears to be solidarity amongst illegal immigrants in modern times, but seemingly only amongst their brothers and sisters.   Where is Louis Tikas?  Where is Mary Jones?  I long to hear these voices, now.   If illegal immigrants are that important to our economy, they should walk the path Tikas and many other immigrants took - fighting for better pay and better working conditions through worker solidarity, regardless of ethnic background or legal status.  

I hear little of that now.. other than an attempt at unionizing illegal immigrants in New York recently (which I wholeheartedly support!)  I see marches demanding citizenship, but no marches demanding better pay for all Americans.  

Sadly, most illegal immigrant labor is used by Business to lower wages and workplace conditions for existing workers.  That's not xenophobic or CT, it's happened from 19th century strikes through today.   Heck, Business purposefully hired very diverse workforces (and strikebreakers) under the assumption that language barriers would prevent organization.  Business plays us like fools to lower their bottom lines.  

Labor may be changing, but labor arbitrage is as strong as ever.  Business is winning the battle of public opinion.  Unless illegal immigrants stand up against Business and demand better pay and treatment I have a hard to standing up in support of their being here.  

At the same time, and to make myself perfectly clear, I oppose mass deportation.   You deserve deportation if you murder or rape, or have the same background in your homeland.  

Corn subsidies paid to big agribusiness has decimated Mexico's poor - which is why so many are here to begin with.  NAFTA probably hasn't helped nearly as much as was hoped when it was signed.  Well, Business is profiting from NAFTA and other free trade deals, but that's a topic for another diary.  

I don't have the answers for illegal immigration.  It seems to me that shortcuts to citizenship is a real affront to those who immigrated legally.   But I could change my tune if I saw a real Labor movement building amongst illegal immigrants.  It almost seems many are satisfied with just being here, and do not want to rock the boat.  Business has us between a rock and a hard place.  Organizing and working together is the only way out of this mess.

We can change the economic conditions that brought about massive illegal immigration in the first place.  Can and should.   We also need to think about fair ways to handle the millions of illegal immigrants here now.   Illegal immigration does not exist in a vacuum.  Labor is compromised if strikebreakers agree to do the same job for less pay and no benefits.  

Like Louis Tikas, we need to reach out to illegal immigrants and convince them that organizing is in everyone's best interests.  All people, not just illegal immigrants, stand to benefit.  

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  •  Which side are you on? (4+ / 0-)

    Rise up and strike. . .strike until the last one of you drop into your graves. We are going to stand together and never surrender. Boys, always remember you ain't got a damn thing if you ain't got a union! - Mary "Mother" Jones

    The sun is setting on Saxby Chambliss. It's Knight-time!! - Rand Knight, Georgia's U.S. Senate candidate

    by pkbarbiedoll on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 07:07:57 AM PDT

  •  Our immigration process is easy if (2+ / 0-)

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    Albatross, hypersphere01

    You are rich and can hire well connected attorneys to get you in.

    Rupert Murdoch didn't have to wait in line. He is just one of many examples.

    You wrote:

    Our immigration process isn't easy.  

    Hell, it isn't even rational.

    But it's no problem if your rich.

    "It's the planet, stupid."

    by FishOutofWater on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 07:34:36 AM PDT

  •  No - which side are YOU on? (1+ / 0-)

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    hypersphere01

    Human beings, or the union business?

    Your screed is typical of the arrogant pull-up-the-ladder craft unionism that has driven American organizing into the ground - and I speak as an on-and-off organizer AND proud union member.

    This is what American unions should be doing.

    Encore un effort si vous voulez être républicains! - D.A.F. de Sade

    by Hoipolloi Cassidy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 07:48:57 AM PDT

    •  Excuse me (2+ / 0-)

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      but that "arrogant pull-up-the-ladder craft unionism" is what gave you an 8 hour workday, obolished child labor, and instituted minimum wages among many other things.  

      The sun is setting on Saxby Chambliss. It's Knight-time!! - Rand Knight, Georgia's U.S. Senate candidate

      by pkbarbiedoll on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 08:31:18 AM PDT

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      •  There's Only One Union Side (1+ / 0-)

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        Right on, pkbarbiedoll. Cassidy sounds like a Republican't plant, posting to sow dissent with a non-existent issue.

        Ronald Reagan and greed drove organizing into the ground. Never forget PATCO.

        I weigh 666 pounds in zero gravity; COME AND GET ME!

        by thirdnostril on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 08:37:32 AM PDT

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      •  Please don't tell me who gave me what, (1+ / 0-)

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        hypersphere01

        Ms. America-love-it-or-leave it bigot.

        PS - I don't believe you even know what "craft" unionism is, or how "craft" unionism is different from "trade" unionism, or how the two intersect in American history. You apparently have no idea how the relationship of both types of unionism in America affected the acceptance or rejection of immigrants, or of minorities. Sheet - I bet you don't even know what union was the first to integrate blacks and whites, or what it ran up against. Nor, for that matter, do you have the slightest notion of the historic patterns of immigration and emigration in relationship to labor demand in the United States, though I'll give you a hint: there are, and always have been, a lot of immigrants who can't wait to get back home to the land they love, and will do so the minute they can. But hey, no matter, just keep on wavin' that flag, it's what substitutes for your brains.

        Encore un effort si vous voulez être républicains! - D.A.F. de Sade

        by Hoipolloi Cassidy on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 09:07:49 AM PDT

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  •  Cesar Chavez has been co-opted by the illegal (3+ / 0-)

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    pkbarbiedoll, Quequeg

    immigration groups, that somehow he is representative of their cause.

    Fact is Cesar Chavez was dead-set against immigrant labor.  He was fighting for the farm workers of this country.  He would have been the first to decry the use of immigrants in favor of local workers.  

    Everyone was screaming then that we would be paying a dollar a head for lettuce, table grapes and other food products would sky-rocket.  

    The hard truth was that most of the cost of produce was added by the wholesalers and distributors, it was not in the labor of picking and packing.

    Here we are, again, today crying about what food will cost if we pay a living wage to the people who pick and process it.  Well, so be it.  

    •  Living wages will not substantially increase (3+ / 0-)

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      the price of products.  Unless Business decides to retaliate and artificially raise costs to try and make us rethink living wages.

      I would rather pay more for a product knowing someone else is being paid fairly for their labor.  

      The sun is setting on Saxby Chambliss. It's Knight-time!! - Rand Knight, Georgia's U.S. Senate candidate

      by pkbarbiedoll on Thu Jun 21, 2007 at 08:35:31 AM PDT

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    •  4% of the undocumented population (3+ / 0-)

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      BobOak, pkbarbiedoll, mariachi mama

      work in agricluture. ...the other 96% in other sectors. This whole "head of lettuce" arguement on both sides of the debate is nothing more than a red herring. From CIS's Head of Lettuce study of a few years ago on the right...to the you'll be paying $5.00 for lettuce on the left...it's all bullshit. Hyperbolic bullshit.  

    •  Cesar Chavez is being co-opted by anti-immigrant (2+ / 0-)

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      Duke1676, mariachi mama

      activists.

      Read below. It comes from UFW's webpage.

      If I am not mistaken, the bullet points shows how Chavez was dedicated to immigration reform.

      Debunking falsehoods about the UFW’s stand on immigration reform

      Some people falsely claim the United Farm Workers is or has been against undocumented workers. So there is no misunderstanding, everyone should clearly understand the following: There are two separate and distinct issues—immigration reform and strikebreaking. Don’t confuse them!

      The UFW has demonstrated a consistent commitment to immigration reform going back more than 40 years.

      • Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta worked for years against the infamous 1942-1964 Bracero Program that exploited domestic farm workers who were denied jobs and replaced by imported farm workers who were abused by growers. In part through their efforts, Congress ended the program in 1964.

      • In 1973, decades before most labor organizations acted, the UFW became one of the very first unions to oppose the "employer sanction," a federal law making it illegal for employers to hire undocumented workers.

      • UFW co-founder Dolores Huerta played a crucial role in creating the amnesty provisions of the 1986 federal immigration law that enabled 1 million farm workers to become legal residents.

      • The UFW spent more than three years negotiating with the nation’s agricultural industry to create the historic bipartisan AgJobs bill allowing undocumented farm workers in this country to earn the legal right to permanently stay here by continuing to work in agriculture. Sponsored by 49 U.S. senators and backed by a diverse range of more than 500 organizations, AgJobs was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 27, 2006.

      http://www.ufw.org/...

      •  This is what I was talking about...... (4+ / 0-)

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        • Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta worked for years against the infamous 1942-1964 Bracero Program that exploited domestic farm workers who were denied jobs and replaced by imported farm workers who were abused by growers. In part through their efforts, Congress ended the program in 1964.

        Cesar Chavez worked within the system to change the laws, but he was dead-set against bringing in scab labor.

        We are faced today by an overwhelming number of "imported" workers - not just farm workers who are depressing wages for all Americans.

        •  Being against scabs is one thing (1+ / 0-)

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          mariachi mama

          being against immigration is another; being against illegal immigration is yet another.

          I would believe that he would have been against scabs, legal or illegal. It just happened that the one pool of scab labor in agriculture are illegal immigrants.

          And read again what you quoted. It says, "replaced by imported workers who were abused by growers."

          So the opposition of the program was also because it abused the immigrant worker.

          In other words, the bracero program abused all kinds of workers, and the UFW defended them all.

          Also, if you are talking about H-B1 visas, those are legal immigrants. That has little to do with the subject of illegal immigration. :)

  •  Argument is wrong (3+ / 0-)

    Craft unionism did not win these victories, industrial unionism won them. The difference is craft unionism gains power by restricting membership in the "craft" thus restricting supply of the commodity (labor).  It is most effective in skilled positions.  Industrial unionism organizes everyone, even unskilled labor.

    As for saying that current immigrants aren't stepping up for the union fight shows that you haven't been following current labor movement.  It is native born workers who are organizing.  Despite repeated assertions that immigrants won't organize the facts don't bear out.  Look for Ruth Milkman's work on the subject, but for an example the Justice for Janitors campaign in LA in the early 90's was one of the largest victories for labor in a generation.  

    Also Milkman's work shows that immigrants entry into the janitorial industry is not what led to the drop in wages.  But it was the union busting that occured first, wages were slashed, and immigrants stepped into the vaccum.  However, as they organized, the situation has been movign in a beter direction.

  •  labor has spoken on the issue (3+ / 0-)

    and is reaching out to immigrants both "legal and "illegal". You just don't hear about it in the MSM or the PG newsletters that seem to be all the rage amongst our newly minted "labor activists" here in progressive blogtopia.  

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