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NH debate: We're here, we're queer, you're used to us

Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:03:59 PM PDT

The New Hampshire debate was a proud day for Democrats, at least on one front. Not only do we very obviously have a better field of candidates that do Republicans, but we’re on the right side of history.

I’m speaking of the "show of hands" asking whether or not President Clinton’s policy of "Don’t ask-don’t tell" should be revised. All eight of our candidates agreed it was time to move forward.

As a young gay man and a professional in the media it offered me a moment of pause. Of reflection upon how when I embarked on my career in journalism just five years ago, I never thought this would happen, and certainly not this quickly.

Sure there’s progress to be made and occasionally the gay community is its own worst enemy, but the party reaffirmed my belief in progressivism. We saw it on stage that night.

I’ve not posted to Kos in several years. Since I became a journalist it seemed inappropriate to do so. This is, after all, a partisan site. Think of it this way: how would you like to find out a reporter at your local newspaper was a Freeper? I’ve kept reading though. It never lost its place in my bookmarks. Politics aside, I enjoy the free flow of intelligent ideas. This is a wonderful community, though I’ve never really known it from the inside.

But when I read the accounts of the New Hampshire debate (I was on vacation and didn’t get to see it live) I knew almost immediately that I’d be breaking my silence here. This is a subject near to me and, whether or not anyone reads this, I’ve never been very good at keeping my mouth shut or my pen still.

I have several thoughts about the state of homosexuality in America. My first is that, other than in the reddest of the red communities, homosexuality is largely acknowledged, if not accepted. Easy for me to say, but I just returned from my brother’s college graduation. He attended a very small, liberal arts conservatory in the heart of a red state. Many of his friends are gay. Not one spoke of having problems, despite being surrounded, literally, by thousands of red-meat Republicans and conservative Christians.

We’re here, we’re queer, you’re used to us.

With that acceptance, though, comes an inherent responsibility on my part, and for every gay American, to act accordingly. You don’t lob a spitball the first year your parents invite you to sit at the adults' table on Thanksgiving. In my view, you put your napkin on your lap, don’t talk with your mouth full and act like you belong.

As a die-hard sports fan – ahh, neo-homosexuality can be fun! – a sports cliché comes to mind. When you score, act like you’ve done it before.

Enter my beef with the gay community at large. Many of us still practice a brand of homosexuality that is "in your face" and overt. If you don’t like gays, fuck you. It’s a myopic view of the world. Lots of people aren’t going to like any one person for lots of reasons. Some people obviously focus on homosexuality, but to assume it’s the only reason you’re disliked is evidence enough of why some people don’t like you. We’re still defensive. We revert back to the homophobia defense as a way to cling to our tried-and-true, it’s-not-me-it’s-you mindset.

Take a look around. The titans of America’s progressive movement embrace homosexuality openly and in public. They all see what many of us have known in our hearts from birth, that we’re no different than straight people.

If we know that and they know that, it’s time we stopped lobbing the spitballs and started engaging in an adult discourse about the state of homosexuality and the progress still yet unrealized.

Despite my optimism, I know certain things. We are still, in the eyes of the law and a large portion of society, not created equal. We still must stand up and confront homophobia and discrimination. And like every other great social movement in the history of a nation whose progress in equality has changed the face of the world, we need to do it with persistence, not anger. There were the lions of the Civil Rights movement, King and his brothers. There was Susan B. Anthony and her sisters. It’s time that the leaders of the gay community toned down the rhetoric and turned up the obvious, that gay people deserve better. And for those of us in the rank-and-file, it’s our job to be good soldiers. That means discipline and courage. Resisting the urge to sink to the level of those who still hate us. Stop screaming and start sitting in, start having quiet conversations with the people we know disagree with us about what being gay really is.

Justice isn’t blind and she isn’t a lipstick lesbian, either. But she’s coming around.

My home city had its gay pride parade this weekend. I was out of town, but had I been here, and despite the fact that it passes my apartment, I wouldn’t have attended. I find those public events in today’s world of gay culture to be single-minded and simplistic. What’s the point? People, at least in my liberal city, know full well that gays exist. Reminding them of that does little by way of usefulness and if anything derails a far more in-depth discussion about homosexuality.

If you want to be one-dimensional, that’s fine. Just don’t be shocked when people treat you like it.

Gay pride in its current form is, at its root, no different from homophobia. It’s the decision to focus attention on a single characteristic in your personality. I have friends that love being gay. That’s great, but I’d prefer to be me. Being gay is part of me. It’s equally important to me to be viewed as intelligent, thoughtful, caring, tough. It’s just as important to me as being a journalist, a good citizen and engaged in the political process. Honestly, it’s as important to me as watching one of my city’s sports teams win a championship. It’s one facet of an otherwise richer and deeper life.

So, to my friends and contemporaries, I say this. Put down the rainbow flags, put on a cute shirt and go to work as the talented young professionals that most of us are. Be yourself. We don’t need a pride parade. We need a confidence parade and a lesson in maturity on the national scene. Images of drag queens waving while riding in an open-topped canary yellow Jeep are so 1989. Reagan isn’t president anymore. George Bush is. And if we’re going to continue the astonishing progress of the last decade, even in the face of the most overtly anti-gay presidency in our nation’s history, we’re going to need grace, not pride.

I’m done with gay pride because we have it. We can check that off the list. I’m onto fair adoption laws, legal recognition for partnerships in making end-of-life decisions and the right to openly serve our country. And yes, someday, marriage. We all have those wonderful, unalienable rights. Slowly but surely, people are recognizing that.

Kos hit the nail on the head on his post on the topic. This isn’t a culture war; it’s a war of attrition. Kids these days don’t hate gays. By the time I’m ready to retire, I’ll be able to will my Social Security (assuming it still exists) to my partner.

I hope that debate serves as a wake-up call to gays everywhere. It isn’t us versus them anymore. It’s just us. We got into the club. We came of age and paid the cover charge. There’s still a long night ahead, but Cher’s on the jukebox and there’s good news. We’re finally on the inside looking out.

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  •   Very mixed feelings about your "post-pride" (9+ / 0-)

    manifesto.  It's true that we've come a long way (baby).  And it's true that times change and tactics must change too. But your stance seems a little dismissive, a little ungrateful, of those who have gone before with their work and sacrifice.

    It reminds me a lot of trying to talk to young women who (maddeningly) like to say "I'm not a feminist BUT ..."

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:12:13 PM PDT

  •  New Hampshire OK'd civil unions... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...without a court intervention.

    And there was nary a blip on the national scene about it.

    Oh, I exaggerate a little. Sure, it made headlines and the news for a day or two...

    ...and I'm sure there was some bellowing about it on right-wing radio.

    But it's over and done with, just part of business as usual.

    That's awesome.

    I may not entirely share ALL of your optimism - backsliding DOES occur on civil rights issues - but I do share some of it.  And the idea that gays maybe should have the same rights as straights is suddenly starting to seem boringly mainstream.

    As it should.

  •  You call that pride ? (5+ / 0-)

    Every candidate except for Kucinich says they don't think that you are worthy of equal rights, but vote for me anyway because I'm better than the Repubs ?

    If you had any pride, you would know an insult when you saw it.

    We are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy unless it obstructs interstate commerce. - J. Edgar Hoover

    by tiponeill on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:17:12 PM PDT

    •  Wow, (0+ / 0-)

      telling a gay person how they should feel about gay rights.

      That's ballsy.

      "I will fight for my country, but I will not lie for her. " -- Zora Neale Hurston

      by blueintheface on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 02:01:54 PM PDT

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    •  I call it progress (1+ / 0-)

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      A short response: Of course I'd be happier if every candidate on that stage backed unequivocable rights to marrige on the federal level. And if they did that, there would be another four years of Republicans in office. I said we've been accepted, not embraced.

      Yes, I'm optimistic, but I'm also realistic. And the show of hands was progress on both fronts, at least to my mind.

      "Gov. Bush, if you had to sum up your campaign in one word, what would it be?" "Strategery."

      by Strategery on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 05:19:42 PM PDT

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  •  "Single-minded and simplistic?" (4+ / 0-)

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    The gay-pride parade that you didn't attend.

    Not that you're prejudiced or anything.

    LPR

  •  "I never thought this would happen, ... (17+ / 0-)

    ... and certainly not this quickly."

    It hasn't happened this quickly. It's taken decades, and it didn't start with Stonewall.

    I agree with you that I'd prefer to be me, someone with interests and talents and desires that have nothing with do with my sexuality who happens to be gay.

    Done with gay pride? Kids these days don't hate gays? You don't live in my part of the country, obviously. There are those who still need pride and self-confidence.

    A lot of where we are today is because of those drag queens waviung while riding in open-topped carny yellow Jeeps ... and bare-chested dykes on bikes, and gay men and women marching shouting "Fairies, Faggots and Dykes, Oh My!"

    noli, amabo, verberare lapidem ne perdas manum -- Plautus

    by fritzrth on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:23:24 PM PDT

  •  um... (5+ / 0-)

    thanks but can we save the lecturing for my mom? I don't like all parts of gay pride. But they are a blast and the bars are way funner then. Personally, I couldn't give a hoot what the uptight straights and conformist gays like yourself think of it.

    I don't think your advice to "behave at the grown-up table" is at all relevant or meaningful. I am particularly uninterested in their approval. Gayness enables a certain disdain for all conformity which to me is such a pleasant side-effect, I’d probably want to be associated with it even if i weren’t into dudes.

    So maybe you should do what you like and let the rest of us do what we like. I think it’s high time we forget about their approval and just focus on being productive worthwhile contributing human beings.

    And it's time for all of us (i.e. you) to stop reacting.

    All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

    by SeanF on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:27:26 PM PDT

  •  Bra birnings (0+ / 0-)

    Is being gay and Having to march in a parade anything like being a feminist and Having to burn your bras?

    "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

    by JFinNe on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:27:59 PM PDT

    •  If you feel like you're being forced to do it ... (5+ / 0-)

      it doesn't mean anything. Being gay doesn't mean you have to like Barbra Streisand or Judy Garland, either.

      The one thing I did agree with the diarist on is that each of us is an individual with our own characters. We just happen to be sexually attracted to members of the same sex.

      The only reason it's a major issue is that a heterosexual social structure made it an issue. A structure that at times has said we don't even have a right to exist and led to us being burned, stoned, hung, decapitated, impaled ... beaten up and hung on a fence to die.

      It's not going to happen in my lifetime, but when a gay man or lesbian, or transvestite, or transexual, or bi person anywhere in this world doesn't have to be afraid of a boss, or a school or a police department or a government or a neighbor finding out ... then maybe it won't be an issue anymore.

      I say this world, because as long as my brothers and sisters are being hung and stoned in other countries, I'm not free to be complacent here in the U.S.

      noli, amabo, verberare lapidem ne perdas manum -- Plautus

      by fritzrth on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:41:24 PM PDT

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    •  i like this question (3+ / 0-)

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      even though you are being bitchy, it cuts to the point pretty well.

      I used to hate gay pride. To me, it was a bunch of femmed out idiots just embarrasing themselves. I didn't like it even being made public. But ultimately, it was my own discomfort that was the issue. Later (once I got more gay friends) I found out that pride events are FUN. It's cuz anything goes, the social rules are all different, being weird/strange/iconoclastic is encouraged. The leather queens are still a bit much for me, but now I just look at them with a "whatever works for you" attitude and give 'em a smile. I like the freak parade aspect now. The funnest part is that everyone flirts with everyone.

      So for those who don't like that, don't go. I just don't understand why anyone wants to stop others from doing what is fun to them.

      All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

      by SeanF on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 02:48:58 PM PDT

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      •  fair point (1+ / 0-)

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        I never meant to imply that the "funness" as someone else put it should be abbhored or anything like that. If it was only an excuse to go out and have a drink, I'd be all for it.

        But I think we all know that these events come with a sort of damn-the-man mentality, which is what I'm driving at.

        I'm all for a good party, but not when it obscures a larger debate.

        "Gov. Bush, if you had to sum up your campaign in one word, what would it be?" "Strategery."

        by Strategery on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 05:25:32 PM PDT

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        •  just curious (1+ / 0-)

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          what's wrong with damn-the-man again? that's pretty much a huge part of my identity.

          i think the difference is that you want to join the larger society. i want to create bubbles of differentness within society that eventually overtake it. a soft revolution if you will.

          i would guess that the reason you've gotten so much flack for this diary is your willingness to curry favor with types that lots of us don't want to placate. but whatever, you sparked an active debate so that's something.

          All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

          by SeanF on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 08:56:01 PM PDT

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          •  asdf (1+ / 0-)

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            there's nothing wrong with damning the man, but in this case we're looking for acceptance on a basic level. It seems hypocritical to me to, on one hand demand equal rights, and on the other refuse to view ourselves as equals.

            I don't view it as currying favor, but I see how those used to fighting for respect can mistake my point. It's late, but I'm not done writing about this. Tune in for more tomorrow.

            "Gov. Bush, if you had to sum up your campaign in one word, what would it be?" "Strategery."

            by Strategery on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 10:38:20 PM PDT

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  •  Your naivety is alarming (10+ / 0-)

    Have you ever been discriminated against due to orientation?  

    Has your father told you you deserved to die for being gay?

    How many friends have you lost to AIDS?

    Your generation scares me.  You seem to think that the generations that came before you are an embarrassment and now you want to get on with your life.

    As long as the government says my brother and sister have rights and privileges as US citizens that are denied me, there is a HUGE problem.

    Passive homophobia is no better than overt homophobia.  You seem to think that to be part of America, you have to swim with the flock and be one with the crowd.

    Gay Pride is about celebrating individuality, not about single attention to a facet of your life.  How you get that curious notion is beyond me.

    Gay Pride parades and other identity affirming activities help to form community links and group identifications that are necessary if we are to keep the attention on equality.

    AIDS infection rates are going up, not down.  A sign of intolerance, not tolerance.

    Violence against the LGBT community continues unabated.

    You are a fifth columnist undermining both the gay community and the the ability of all to be equal citizens before the law.

    Are ethnic parades an issue for you?  Do you have problems with a Polish Pride parade in America?  What about Veterans parades?  Or do only gay pride parades send you a twitter?

    Today's youth have no respect for their elders in the LGBT community, or their history. You in fact represent the worst of the Bush era "it's all about me, not community".

    So remain comfortable in your ideal heterosexual world, but don't give advice to those who have fought the battles, and lost their jobs, and been abused by their families, and neglected by our politicians.

    You sir have no right to do so until you have walked in our shoes.

    "My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." --Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

    by walja on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:28:05 PM PDT

    •  You're right but let's not be too harsh (9+ / 0-)

      on the diarist either, IMO.  There's always a tension between those who want to work within the system and those who want to storm the citadels of power.  

      For instance, in his time, Martin Luther King was derided as a troublemaker by some "good" negroes" who favored a politer and more incremental approach.  Then in his turn, King himself was considered too tame by the Panthers. He accomplished a lot, but maybe without a spectrum of more extreme AND less extreme cohorts that wouldn't have happened.

      People working for the same objectives can and should argue over tactics and strategy.  But not lose sight of their common objection to injustice.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:42:44 PM PDT

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      •  too harsh? (1+ / 0-)

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        I posted below and I was rather polite, but the more I read this diary, the angrier I get.

        I'm so happy for you, New England.  You're all so progressive, and liberal, and open minded.

        Now that you don't have to worry so much about your peeps, how's about focusing some help over here to the other 3/4ths of the country, where kids are still getting tied to fence posts and beaten to death?  

        Of course, if it's all about you, and not the Constitution, well, never mind.  I mean seperate but equal is fine too.  Yay!  Go gays!  I mean, don't go gays.  Be quiet gays!

        Well sure, unless you want to continue to chastize gay people in the rest of middle-America for taking one day out of the year.  Please continue.  

        It's rather uncivilized really, to travel to some slightly larger city than the rural community in which one pretends to be someone else 364 days of the year and celebrate with people that will smile at you, hug you, and even drink lots of beers with you - surely not a microbrew - right?  I mean you could just stay home and try to hold that chin up - all the easier to hit, should you kiss your boyfriend in public!

        And people wonder why New England has many of the "aloof, pretentious, elitest" sterotypes that it does.  You're practically being choked by your ascot on this one.

        •  Ahem, if you want to yell at me (3+ / 0-)

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          for suggesting mutual tolerance, go right ahead.  But please refrain from suggesting that geography has anything to do with it.  

          I'm in the mountain west, so your evident frustration with easterners has little to do with me. Also, was in good old San Francisco where, over various years, my home was spray-painted with threatening slurs, my motorcycle was trashed, my roommate was beaten up, and I was fired from a teaching job over homophobic false accusations of child molestation.  Here in Albuquerque, where minding your own business is a proud tradition, nobody's ever said boo to me.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 02:15:39 PM PDT

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    •  ROCK ON!! (0+ / 0-)

      Gravel '08 The Thinking Man's President

      by Chilltown on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:54:11 PM PDT

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    •  I respectfully disagree. (2+ / 0-)

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      You make a good point about not forgetting the sacrifices that were made by those that have gone before. One must never forget. White, black, gay, straight, male female, whatever minority we must all be grateful for those that have gone before us and sacrificed so much to give us the freedoms we enjoy.

      But for you to jump on this poster about his wanting to move on from the rainbow-flagged parades is not very helpful.

      Your argument comparing an ethnic parade with a gay pride parade is misplaced. I march in Anti-War demonstrations because I am against the war, but I don't march in the gay pride parade. I would march for Gay Marriage though.

      To the extent that I ever try to define my self, I don't lead with my sexuality. I am not at all closeted either. My heterosexual friends and family don't lead with their sexuality either. I am gay and I perfectly comfortable in my shoes, but I don't like to narrowly define myself in terms of my sexuality.

      How boring that would be.

      And I think it is extreme to claim that this poster is "all about me and not community" Who says that he is? Who says that he has to put allegiance to his "sexual" community above that of his family, his home, his workplace whatever. That seems narrow minded.

      So just because I don't wear my sexuality on my sleeve does that make me a disrespectful gay?

      Vocat aestus in umbram

      by uato carabau on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 02:09:45 PM PDT

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      •  you just don't get it (2+ / 0-)

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        Why would a heterosexual "lead with their heterosexality" as you put it?  It is a heterosexual world and they benefit from heterosexual privilege.

        How do gay pride parades define you?  I have been to Parades and I never felt the need to run naked, or cross dress, or wear leather thongs in public.  Don't mind if others do, but what they do does not define me.  It apparently does define the diarist and his internalized homophobia kicks in as a result.  He should be proud, not be scared.  Celebrate diversity, don't yearn for conformity.

        And the poster absolutely is "all about me, not community".  He wants the LGBT community silent, subservient, and in the closet, so that his co-workers won't be uncomfortable with who he is as they all stand around in their expensive business suits downing martinis.

        I never said YOU were disrespectful uato carabau, but the diarist is.  He has no perspective, no experience, and no issues apparently with the status quo.  I am glad for him personally I guess, but his attitude helps noone, not even himself.

        "My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." --Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

        by walja on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 02:40:08 PM PDT

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    •  yeah, that was rude (1+ / 0-)

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      Today's youth have no respect for their elders in the LGBT community, or their history. You in fact represent the worst of the Bush era "it's all about me, not community".

      OK, so that was one of the most vitrolic things anyone has ever said about me. It's this type of caddiness that I'm talking about. It's incredibly short-sighted to think that, because of whatever horrors you've been through (and I don't mean to trivialize them), that my perspective as the next generation is irrelevant.

      I do have respect for the problems people like you have faced. And I think it's time our community - yes, I say that beacuse it's one of the most important concepts we have in this society - turned the page. It's part of the history, we all know that. And if we don't get past it, take the high road and move on, how are we ever supposed to live?

      If you're that angry about what's happened, why do you want any part of the society-at-large moving forward?

      "Gov. Bush, if you had to sum up your campaign in one word, what would it be?" "Strategery."

      by Strategery on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 05:33:16 PM PDT

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      •  It's not moving on that is objectionable (0+ / 0-)

        It's repudiating, disowning, or mocking the struggles that came before.  It's fine that you want to dress/look/act "normal" or "responsible" or whatever and I don't think you'd be getting nearly so much flak for that if you hadn't implied that everyone else should do the same.

        Yeah, I'm just a respectable married lady with a mortgage and a garden and an office job.   I'm not buzzing my hair off or riding a big old motorcycle like I did when I was young, and I no longer feel the need to frequently lecture my male relatives about the patriarchy (unless they're asking for it).  So actually my actions are in line with what you suggest.  

        But I'm still glad there's Pride Parades.  And I'm glad I learned in those young days not to flinch if someone doesn't like me for the way I am. And I'm not tired of demanding my rights, and I'm still angry with those who would obstruct them.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:51:37 AM PDT

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  •  In fairness, (6+ / 0-)

    I think your diary should say "President Clinton’s compromise policy."  In George Stephenopolous's All Too Human, President Clinton apparently tried very hard to simply remove the military ban (sending VP and theologian Al Gore to attempt to convince Colin Powell), but in the end agreed to a compromise to put the matter to rest and move on with his agenda.  

    At the time, I remember feeling like President Clinton should have told Colin Powell to go eff himself, and used Truman as a role model.  When Truman integrated the Armed Forces, the usual suspects went batshit crazy.  He bascially told them to eat shit, and that the next election was in four years if anyone didn't like it.

    But, I think it's worth noting that President Clinton did just want to remove the ban.  And, unfortunately, it's also worth noting that President Clinton signed DOMA (but that's another diary).

    Mixed record.  Mixed resuls.  But ever so slowly forward.  Rome, a day, all that.  Our choices are Democrats or Republicans, and the Democrats are far and away the better choice for the GLBT community.

    No more Republican rule.

    by HarveyMilk on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:31:15 PM PDT

  •  I respect your opinion (18+ / 0-)

    but here's mine.

    I consider myself primarily a gay man.  Everything else is after that.  I feel this necessity because it allows me extreme sensitivity on the issue and the ability to recognize the covert homophobia in society, which happens around me far too often.  

    We have few allies among the voting public. How many dem voters are pro-choice but anti-gay marriage?  Enough that gay marriage initiatives pass in state after state with the help of democratic voters.

    As a young gay man and a professional in the media it offered me a moment of pause. Of reflection upon how when I embarked on my career in journalism just five years ago, I never thought this would happen, and certainly not this quickly.

    This may have been a short time in coming for you, but I'm about to turn 50.  I've been dealing with this since I came out at the age of 20 - 30 long years ago.  This has not, by any stretch of the imagination been a short trip.

    Bottom line is this:  I want my fucking rights and I want them NOW.  I'm sick and tired of waiting for the next generation to be "OK with gays."  I want to get married.  I want to be able to partake in the benefits that my parents, my siblings, etc., all get.  I am not interested in waiting anymore.  If I don't stand up for this, why should I expect the person next to me or, more to your original story, a candidate on a dais, to stand up for me?

    'It's not the greenhouse gases, it's the white house gases' - David Letterman

    by perky mcjuggs on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:31:46 PM PDT

    •  Yep. I took note of an anniversary ... (9+ / 0-)

      ...in 2005 in the Diary, Gay Marriage Backer Changes Mind on 30th Anniversary. An excerpt:

      Astonishing how fast those decades fly by. Indeed, it was just 30 years ago yesterday that Clela Rorex, the county clerk in Boulder, Colorado, issued the nation's first-ever licenses for a gay marriage.

      During the next month Rorex would issue five more licenses to gay and lesbian couples.

      Not surprisingly, she caught a barrage of brimstone from clergy and editorialists and politicians and the majority of citizens. After all, less than a year earlier, the city of Boulder had engaged in an electoral and media civil war because the city council had passed one of the country's first ordinances protecting gays from discrimination. A referendum had reversed the law a few months later and a young city councilman had been recalled and replaced after an election campaign that was just short of tar and feathers.

      So what could Rorex have been thinking?

      At the time, many of us who had supported the gay rights ordinance - the same kind that hundreds of communities from Corvallis to Cape Cod (as well as Boulder) now enforce - were arguing that any new attempt to push something having to do with gay equality would fail and possibly give the right a cudgel with which to undermine left goals in other arenas. We were arguing, basically, that gays should wait and "go slow"just as many liberals had argued that blacks should do 20 years earlier.

      In Rorex's office, however, was a gay man, Deputy County Clerk N. Patrick Prince, who raised questions with her about the state's marriage law. He and his lover got one of the six licenses Rorex issued after obtaining a memo from the district attorney's office saying that doing so wasn't specifically prohibited by Colorado law.

      "There is no statutory law prohibiting the issuance of a license, probably because the situation was simply not contemplated in the past by our legislature. The case law is strongly on the side of the public official that refuses to issue a marriage license in these situations, and a public official could not be prosecuted for violation of any criminal law by such marriage licensing," the assistant D.A. wrote. The law did not permit marriage between close blood relations, nor bigamy, but it didn't say anything about the sex of the partners, he said.

      So Rorex started issuing them, telling clerks to cross out "man" and "woman" on the documents and insert "person."

      Thirty-two years ago. And still waiting.

      I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:41:27 PM PDT

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      •  Clela (3+ / 0-)

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        How did I miss that diary the first time around? Wow. I remember discovering the story of Clela Rorex while helping out with the Wikipedia articles on same-sex marriage back during the whole heyday of the Great Gavin Newsome/Jason West/Etc Gay Marriage Uprising of 2004. Fascinating story.


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        by Ray Radlein on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 03:46:36 PM PDT

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  •  pride (32+ / 0-)

    I am fully aware that the Irish exist.  

    I'll stop supporting Gay Pride celebrations as soon as we stop the drunken St. Patricks day celebrations, or the drunken Cinco De Mayo celebrations, or the drunken "insert other celebration based on ethnic or cultural group here"

    All of these celebrations start with a noble cause - people want to celebrate their people.  With time, they not only attract the Irish, or the hispanic, in these cases, they attract everyone.  We all want a piece.  "Kiss me for today I'm Irish!"  "I'm straight, but girrrrrl, you look fierce in those boots!"

    They are just parties.  And (many) gays like to find a reason to throw confetti.  And hey - welcome straight people!  Let's party.

    I am willing to put up with the go-go-dancing corporate bar floats so that I get to see the PFLAG mothers and fathers walking arm in arm with their sons and daughters.  I can have a cheer for the dikes on bikes, knowing that the Gay Veterans of Illinois will be marching - a little slower and a little more proudly - only a few hundred yards behind.  I cry and applaud every time, simply getting to pay tribute to these people makes the whole day worth it.

    Besides, these events tend to be great sources of income in the predominantly gay neighborhoods that they are featured in, drawing in crowds from other communities to spend their money - and serve as a marketing tool for the neighborhood.  It is for this reason that Mayor Daley of Chicago began to celebrate the neighborhoods and helped invest lots of money in designating the areas as such.

    Chicago's gay pride day draws people from rural parts of the midewest who really aren't quite yet feeling the "pride" that is rippling through your progressive community.  Let them have it.  They deserve it.  Come to the party.

    John Amaechi is our Grand Marshall for the parade this year.  You might know him as the first ex-NBA player to come out of the closet.  He came out after he was done playing.  This, unfortunately, is a big deal.

    Someday it won't be a big deal.  Until it isn't a big deal, we have work to do.  Let us celebrate John Amaechi.  Let the little kids in the strollers and the little boys on dad's back holding the rainbow flag  come from their urban straight enclaves and celebrate a gay basketball player.  Teach the kids it's a good thing, not a bad thing.  Celebrate, celebrate, celebrate.

    And happy Pride month, everyone.

  •  asdf (4+ / 0-)

    Many of us still practice a brand of homosexuality that is "in your face" and overt.

    I'm not sure what you mean by this.  It's important to be strong, resolute, and determined in what you believe in.  I would agree, however, that it's almost always counterproductive to be rude when expressing those feelings because it turns people off, including those who might otherwise agree with what you have to say.

    •  "Rude" or "Blatant", there's the question. (0+ / 0-)

      As we all know, "blatant" means behaving gay in public, while "rude" in my lexicon means being unnecessarily aggressive or unkind to others.

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      by lgmcp on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 01:45:49 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not sure what the diarist meant (0+ / 0-)

        But I would advice anyone from being "rude," no matter the issue.

        As far as "blatant," I'm not sure what you mean by "behaving gay in public."  

        •  You don't? (5+ / 0-)

          Holding hands?  Walking arm in arm?  Kissing, perhaps even on the lips, perhaps even with tongues from time to time?  Those things that straight couples do all the time without fear of catcalls, thrown beer bottles, or actual assaults with baseball bats?  When WE do those things, we're "blatant".  When hets do them, they're no big deal.

          Sure, public displays of affection no matter how normatively heterosexual can make others uncomfortable, and are not always in the best of taste.  But typically they result in a few dissapproving glances, not in going to the hospital with eight broken ribs (as happened to a roommate of mine in 1994).  

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 02:00:36 PM PDT

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        •  "I'm not sure what you mean by ... (3+ / 0-)

          ... "behaving gay in public."

          Acting yourself? ;-)

          noli, amabo, verberare lapidem ne perdas manum -- Plautus

          by fritzrth on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 02:02:36 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)

        Rude is rude.  Some may think that being rude is a good thing; I'm generally a fan of civility.  But reasonable minds differ.  On dKos alone we see that argument being battled out regularly.

        "Blatant" is a loaded term and not applied evenly or fairly in my experience.  Having a picture of your same-sex significant other on your desk might be considered "blatant" even if everyone else in the office has a picture of their opposite-sex significant other on their desk.

        "Blatant" is, in short, very often meant to mean saying or doing anything, no matter how trivial or utterly ordinary (if one is straight), that indicates to someone else that you are gay.  Oh, the horror.

    •  clarification (1+ / 0-)

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      I meant rude and abrasive behavior, not strong, resolute and determined. Perhaps "overt" was a poor choice of words. Abrasive was what I was going for there.

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      by Strategery on Mon Jun 04, 2007 at 05:41:50 PM PDT

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  •  Oh, you kids. (12+ / 0-)

    Let's see. The first time I heard "we're in the club now" was when Harvey Milk was elected. He was assassinated. That was before you were born, I expect. I remember hearing it again on that glorious day when Bill Clinton was elected; we got "don't ask don't tell" before the bunting was even pulled down.

    I'm assuming you're young, since it takes a very young person indeed to say something like "go to work as the talented young professionals that most of us are" (ummm, no we're not). With that assumption in mind here's two tiny history lessons, and a note on tactics:

    History (1): For the most part, gay pride events ceased being overtly or emphatically political/protest events when you were in grade school. They're parties. They're festivals. They're for queers, wannabes, friends, neighbors and not a few tourists to gawk and frolic and get sunburned at. If we're "in the club" then surely the sight of drag queens in convertibles wouldn't bother anyone at all, any more than all those shamrocks and green party beads I see after the St Patrick's Day parade, right? You seem a bit bothered by the bad impression the queens are (stll) making, so maybe it's just you talented young professionals who've found room in the club. (As long as your shirts are cute.) Oh, and for the record, my idea of progress is No More Clubs.

    History (2): It's persistence AND anger, not one or the other, that wins the day. Do you actually imagine MLK and Susan B Anthony weren't angry at the injustice they confronted, regardless of the public voices they may have adopted? Nonviolent does not necessarily mean not angry, and every civil rights gain any marginalized group in America has made has been accompanied by necessary anger. Malcolm X may not have a day or a dollar, but he had an effect.

    And on to tactics: Kos is quite right: this is a war of attrition. But wars of attrition are won when the other side gives up, not when we do.

    (Started this comment when only one person had responded so forgive any restatements-of-the-obvious that have already been made...)

  •  Not stopping... (4+ / 0-)

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    ...until we actually get those rights some people think we have, especially those people who live in portions of the country where gays are treated with a modicum of respect.  Those portions are far from the majority of this country.  Stopping now is condemning people to not gaining those rights in their lifetimes.

  •  tags (0+ / 0-)

    Good morning. I came by to check your tags and make them a little stickier; at least one showed up on the morning check-for-reassignment list.

    Many Kossacks bookmark tag links so it is easy to find new diaries on favorite or hot issues.  Some even add them to their blog rolls to make them easy to find regardless of what computer they are using.  That is an excellent reason to learn to use standard tags in your diaries.

    I added 2008 elections, New Hampshire, debate, and military. Social issues isn't useful as a search term, but culture is, so I swapped them. Presidential primaries isn't a tag, but president and primaries are, so I fixed that, too.

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