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Give Us Your Well to Do, Your Educated, Your Valuable

Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 08:33:27 PM PDT

Recently, I was flipping through my copy of The American Century, by Harold Evans, and I found a story about late 19th century Romanian immigrants.  This story turned my thoughts to the immigration bill that recently stalled in the United States Senate, and the impact it could have, if it ever passes, on what we stand for as nation – not only now, but, for generations in the future.

More below the fold.

In The American Century, on page 90, Evans tells the story of a family of immigrants from Bessarabia.  According to Evans, their journey began with the words, "Let us send the blood out of the country":

The blood was a country girl of 17 and a man of 22 newly discharged from the Romanian Army.  Their marriage was arranged by their parents, the life's savings of two peasant families scraped together so that the two young people, who hardly knew each other, might escape the Cossack pogroms that the parents and other children were left to endure: there was no money for everyone to go.

Although America has not always lived up to its ideal on immigration, the United States has represented, for many in the world, a place of freedom and new opportunities.  Through the eyes of immigrants, America is a chance to build a new life, to work their way into an economic stability that might not have been possible in the countries that they left, to guarantee a better future for their children.

Although the Senate immigration bill attempted to tackle the laudable goal of providing a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, the bill, at the same time, also moved into implementing drastic changes in the legal immigration system.  Most notably, the White House, lobbyists, and a group of bi-partisan Senators included in the immigration bill a provision that would set up a so called "merit based" system to evaluate candidates for green cards.

Under the proposed system, it would be possible for an applicant to receive 100 total points.  75 would be awarded for job skills and education.  15 would be awarded for English language proficiency.  10 would be awarded for family ties.  Although points could also be awarded for people in 30 "high demand" occupations (such as home health care and food service), the system, over all, would favor professionals with graduate degrees in fields such as science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.  Furthermore, under the original form of the bill, the allocation of points could not be changed for 15 years, though Senator Barack Obama offered an amendment to reduce that period of time to a "mere" 5 years.

Supporters of the point system claim that it would "make the U.S. more competitive in the global economy."  However, one has to wonder... would it really make us more competitive in the long run?  And, in the final analysis, would it make us a better country, or would it represent an abandonment of the American immigration ideal that allowed individuals such as the Romanians above to come to the country, and start a new life of freedom and opportunity?

According to The New York Times, a Migration Policy Institute analysis of the Senate immigration bill shows it would have the likely following effects on immigration from various regions of the world:

~Immigrants from many Asian countries would do well. In the last 15 years, more than three-fourths of immigrants from India, and more than half of those from China, the Philippines and South Korea had bachelor’s degrees or higher. Most immigrants from India and the Philippines report speaking English well.

~Immigrants from Latin America would "face more difficulties" in getting green cards. More than 40 percent of recent immigrants from this region are in the preferred age range, 25 to 39, but many lack educational credentials and English language skills. More than 60 percent of adult immigrants from Mexico have not completed high school. Just 5 percent have college degrees. Only 15 percent of recent Mexican immigrants are proficient in English

~The United States has received comparatively few immigrants from Africa, but many of them have characteristics that would help them earn points.

About two-fifths of recent African immigrants are in the preferred age group. Two-thirds are proficient in English. And 38 percent have a bachelor’s or higher degree.

What's disturbing is the projected negative impact on Latin America.  Much of the pent up demand for legal immigration comes from that region, which, in turn, is why we face many of our problems from illegal immigrants.

Cries to "get in line" must ring hallow on the ears of most illegal immigrants, as cuts in legal immigration from previous decades have ensured that there's not much of a line for Latin American immigrants to stand in.  Indeed, despite being our neighbor, and one of our largest trading partners, immigrants from Mexico must compete for limited legal immigration slots with immigrants from countries like Bahrain.  The ultimate result is that "legal" status is available mostly to those who have family or other connections in the U.S., and legal immigration from "low wage" Mexicans without those connections was only in the double digits in 2005.

As bad as that situation now, one cannot help but wonder how implementing an immigration regime that further penalizes immigration from Latin America could possibly improve the situation.  More likely, as it becomes harder for Latin American immigrants to gain legal immigration status, more of them, in the long run, will become willing to try to enter the country illegally.

We cannot, as a nation, loudly proclaim ourselves to be the land of "freedom and opportunity," and then act shocked when those who lack that freedom, when those who have limited opportunity, desire to enter the country, by any means necessary, to build better lives for themselves.  Rational immigration policy would recognize this, and stem illegal immigration by creating greater openings for legal immigration from countries and regions where it is in high demand.  Only irrational policy would set in place a system that would further limit the legal immigration ability of those who have great desire and need to enter the country, and geographic access that allows them to do so illegally.

What's even more offensive about the proposed point system are the assumptions that it makes about what makes the United States economy "competitive."

From a recent New York Times article about the stereotypes associated with illegal immigrant workers:

Getting the whole truth is not easy, because illegal immigrants are not always easy to find, interview or otherwise include in government or private surveys. But some broad facts seem to be emerging, and they may shatter some preconceived notions: illegal immigrants do not just pick fruit, they do not just work off the books, they rarely earn less than the minimum wage and they may even be raising employment without harming incomes.

The article goes on:

In many cases, the jobs held by illegal immigrants are far from the minimum- or subminimum-wage stereotype, as well. Though the work itself is often unpleasant, the pay rates are commonly in the range of $10 to $20 an hour, said Jeffrey S. Passel, a senior research associate at the Pew center.

"There are some indications that the majority of these workers, maybe 55 to 65 percent, are not in the underground economy," Mr. Passel said. "They’re getting paid the same wage rates as everybody else is in those companies. It’s written down, and if they work there long enough, they’ll get health insurance and everything else."

One could make an argument that similar economic statistics would apply to legal immigrants from the same region, were immigration laws set up to better meet demand.  And, further research on the subject raises questions as to whether, perhaps, immigrants with low education and skills who come to the U.S. to build a better life might actually create a net plus for the United States economy.  Recent economic studies have confirmed that Hispanics have created substantial economic contributions for the United States.  Hispanic immigrants have played a huge role in this.

According to the Immigration Policy Center, among Hispanics 25 and older, 41% lack a High School diploma, and 58% are foreign born.  However, Hispanic buying power in the United States totaled $798 billion in 2006, and is expected to reach $1.2 trillion in 2011.  In addition, In 2002, 1.6 million Hispanic owned firms existed in the U.S., employing around 1.5 million workers.  Much of that economic contribution - from the buying power, to the employment - would not have existed were it not for immigration.

Furthermore, one has to take into consideration the ultimate, long-term benefits to the economy, and to society, that will be established by not only first generation immigrants, but also their children, grandchildren, and great grand children.  While, historically, "new" immigrants have spent their time chiseling their way into economic stability, their children have gone on to do great things.  The "new blood" infused by previous waves of immigration has given us doctors, lawyers, politicians, entertainers, and a wide swath of America's "stable" middle class.

According to a RAND Corporation study, as cited by the Immigration Policy Center, subsequent generations of Hispanic immigrants will be no exception to that trend.  Second and third generation Hispanics make "great strides" in closing the economic gap with whites, and, by the second generation, Hispanic immigrants do as well, and sometimes better, than native born whites in education, labor force participation, wages, and household income.

That the point system may turn its back on the American immigration ideal not only for thousands of Hispanics today, but also for subsequent generations, did not go without the notice of some United States Senators:

Senator Robert Menendez, Democrat of New Jersey, said, "The point system would have prevented my own parents, a carpenter and a seamstress, from coming to this country."

At its heart, the objection raised by Senator Menendez, and other critics of the proposed point system, takes the statement that was used to send off the Romanian immigrants above – "Let us send the blood" – and turns it into a question: "Who will save the blood?"  Who will save the blood of the average person, who wishes to come to America to build a new and better life?  Who will save the blood of their descendants, who would have become the thinkers, the politicians, and the backbone of America in a new century?

Those questions would seem very pertinent to the Romanian immigrants mentioned at the start of this entry.  Both not only went on to become successful Americans in their own right, but also had descendants who helped to make America a better place:

The young couple running with the blood from Bessarbia had sixteen American children, of whom nine survived to become an attorney, a celebrated hat maker, a custom tailor, a sculptor, a legal stenographer, a senior accountant... In 1986, when the 100th birthday of the Statue of Liberty was celebrated, the audio and video signals of the fireworks festival were picked up and delivered to a television network for world broadcast by a grandson of the original young immigrants - 75 years to the day when they had become American citizens (July 3, 1911).

The inscription on the statue that was broadcast around the world that day does not ask for the world to give us "your well to do, your educated, your 'valuable,' as determined by Senate committee."  Rather, it asks for "your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."  In that way, it is a firm reminder of what the American immigration ideal is really supposed to mean, and whom it is really meant to help.

The Senate immigration bill that was shelved yesterday is not entirely without merit.  The heart of the bill – allowing undocumented immigrants to earn their way to legal status – is an excellent idea, and one that deserves implementation.  The failure of that particular measure to be enacted represents a colossal defeat for thousands of people in this country, who toil hard and contribute to the fabric of this nation without recognition, and in the shadow of fear.

At the same time we are working to bring those workers and their families into the light of day, however, we must not retool the legal immigration system in a way that creates further injustice.  In that regard, perhaps it is better that the Senate immigration bill remains, for now, shelved.  We must pass such a bill eventually.  But, before that happens, perhaps we would be well advised to take more time to consider legal immigration, and ask ourselves serious questions about the American ideal, and what we want our nation to stand for.

The "blood" of the young Romanian couple was sent to America, where they could forge an entirely new beginning, for themselves, and for their descendants.  But, who will save the blood that wants to be sent to America today?

 

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    •  I don't think it is an either or proposition. (0+ / 0-)

      I think we need all types of people for all kinds of reasons. This is why it is important to control the borders and to have a well thought out and operated immigration system. Turning the immigration debate into a fight over emotionally charged bumper sticker slogans does everyone a disservice.

      ...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean

      by dkmich on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 03:48:09 AM PDT

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  •  Let's just take down the Statue of Liberty (3+ / 0-)

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    debedb, cwaltz, WayneNight

    Why keep on showing off a public lie?
    After all, we've already seen the "statutes
    of liberty pretty much decimated over the past 6 years.

    •  You joke... (3+ / 0-)

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      Kidspeak, debedb, cwaltz

      But there were conservatives who literally wanted us to do that back in 2003.

      Remember, the statue was a gift from France.  Most conservatives had their shorts all in a wad over France not going along with our idiotic ideas on Iraq, and a number of them started a petition for us to "give the statue back."

      •  I'm always cynical on Fridays (1+ / 0-)

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        WayneNight

        The insanity of the week has worn me down. I do remember the silly petition to return the statue - and that the idiots didn't get many signatures.  

        I just did a quick mental run through of my own forebears, and concluded that I would never have been born, given almost any of the various plans to keep out the "undesirables". All this xenophobia just makes me sick.

        •  My father has been doing research... (1+ / 0-)

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          Kidspeak

          ...into our anscestors.  It turns out that elements of our family came to America prior to the American Revolution.  I have ancestors who died not only in that war, but also the Civil War.

          I'm willing to best that most of them weren't particularly "skilled" or "educated" when they came to America.  Nevertheless, they had a chance to build a better life, not only for themselves, but also their descendants.

          It bothers me to see polices being considered that would deny those opportunities today to people who, really, aren't that different from my own ancestors.

    •  Or we could rename it the Statue of Immigration. (0+ / 0-)

      After all, it seems like when anybody talks about this statue, they're always using it to justify mass immigration.

  •  excellent diary (2+ / 0-)

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    it truly cuts to the heart of the whole issue ....what kind of America do we really want to be?

    One that holds out hope and opportunity to all the world ...or one that closes it's doors, and it's minds, ultimately retreating behind walls both physical and social in a vain attempt of returning to some homogeneous ideal that never really existed...or crafting a population made up of only those who fit a preconceived notion of an ideal citizenry.

    I for one favor the former.  

  •  I have many immigrant students (5+ / 0-)

    They make up 10 to 40percent of most of my undergraduate classes. Some came here as infants or young children, others were born here after their parents arrived. Many came because they had to, having faced terribly devastating war, famine, poverty, and family disolution. Whenever they came, for whatever reason, they are such a vital force in my courses.

    They study hard - often struggling to learn in English.  On the whole, however, they work harder than my students whose families have been in this country for many generations. I also have quite a few Canadian students, who drive across the border every day.  The classes are rich, spicy, varied, exciting to teach, and a big challenge. I have to work hard to make sure that what I have them think about isn't just based on research done with white Protestant or Catholic middle class people (I teach psychology).  

    Almost all of these students are also working while they go to college - and paying taxes, social security, etc. To say that they are "taking" from our country, and not generating anything for our country is the narrowest and most inaccurate view.

    Your diary is excellent - thanks for writing it, as it captures a great deal of the important issues for the persons I see who've come here.  They are in what was and still should be a strong American tradition.

    •  Those classes actually sound like... (0+ / 0-)

      ...they'd be VERY interesting to be in.

      I have one or two Canadian friends that I only know from online activities.  Someday I'd like to take a trip to Tronoto, not only to see the city, but also to see if could meet them in person.

  •  This is just one small part of the elephant, (0+ / 0-)

    and a good focus on the point system aspect.

    The immigration bill, however was toxic, as it promoted greater loss of jobs for American natives and greater hardships, explotation and injustices for immigrants. Lose-lose. The defeat of this onerous bill is a very good thing.

    Right now, immigrants are being detained without rights, families and children split up and their applications not processed for years. That is inhumane, such that Amnesty Intl. condemns it.

    And American workers get the shaft-- check how wages are being lowered, jobs outsourced and terminated, in part because there is always a source of labor pool to which worsened conditions can be made, including robots and machines to do the job.

    Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty International

    by doinaheckuvanutjob on Sat Jun 09, 2007 at 12:33:32 AM PDT

  •  A couple of comments (0+ / 0-)

    There is a certain amount of merit in the point system.  Though I would tend to agree that there is a considerable room in the program for a bit more humanity to be inserted.

    And I suspect I know why that point language was inserted:  Under the present system family unification takes precedence.  And what is considered "family" is broad enough that it represents a rather LARGE number of potential candidates to come into the country given some extended family sizes.

    We will use my family as an example here as I don't want to wade through pages of google results looking to see what the typical extended family size is for XY or Z nation.

    Given the number of parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, and cousins that I could sponsor under the unification provision currently in place I have well over 25 candidates if I go with roughly 1 in 4 of them wanting to come.

    Now multiply that by a potential 20 million illegal immigrants who could become citizens in a few short years.  That is a rather large number of people, most of which will have nearly zero skills or skills that compete directly with current citizens in lower paying labor jobs.

    Glut the market with more workers and wages go DOWN, and with the area of the economy that this would likeliest impact being people who can not afford to see their pay cut?

    The only way those people are going to get a raise is IF we can manage to get minimum wage hikes through more then every decade.  

    I know that there are a lot of people around the world that are in really bad situations economically and trust me I DO SYMPATHIZE for them.  But I really do have to consider the impacts upon my own people and trust me if you want to have a chance in hell of actually getting anyone elected...you better as well.

    Because it is the people here at home that will be paying your wages in Congress through their tax dollars, they will be the ones voting for or against you.  You had better be looking after THEIR needs FIRST.

    There is a limit to how many people we can absorb without causing undo disruption and negative impacts upon the tax paying voters and that is just a political reality that although unpleasant must be dealt with.

    Now onto this part:

    Indeed, despite being our neighbor, and one of our largest trading partners, immigrants from Mexico must compete for limited legal immigration slots with immigrants from countries like Bahrain.

    There is a reason for that; each nation has an equal number of slots open to them.  Why is that?  Because everyone has exactly the same right to come here as anyone else, if you skew it in favor of Mexico how can it not be seen as granting special status to them?

    Now imagine if they skewed it in favor of Europeans?  How long do you think before somebody called that policy racist?  And be honest here.  Skewing the numbers to be more beneficial to one ethnic group would be a purposeful and deliberate act at narrowing the diversity of the nation.

    Much of the most odious bits of the merit system are a direct reaction TO the numbers of illegal immigrants!  And with anywhere from 12-20 MILLION people taking cuts in line?

    Yeah, I can see how that might get some peoples anger up.  After all we are a nation of immigrants all of our ancestors stood in line and waited their turn.  And almost all of them were dirt poor as well, and if your family is Irish odds favor that your ancestors were also starving when they came.  

    But that was a while back and frankly we had a lot more room to put people IN then we do today.  If you live in Southwest ask yourself how many more people can your water supply handle?  If you live in the rural Midwest realize that for every acre you cover in houses is another acre not being tilled for crops...and that last one impacts the rest of you lot.

    We certainly can take immigrants, and we do take a far larger number then any other nation on Earth and with far more lax standards to get in then any of them (look into getting into Canada or New Zealand after the last couple of elections?), but there is a limit to how many we can take in any given year.

    And as it sits we allow up to 5 MILLION immigrants in every year, can you name another nation that has even close to that in the way of available slots?

    •  asdf (2+ / 0-)

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      Given the number of parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, and cousins that I could sponsor under the unification provision currently in place I have well over 25 candidates if I go with roughly 1 in 4 of them wanting to come.

      Now multiply that by a potential 20 million illegal immigrants who could become citizens in a few short years.  That is a rather large number of people, most of which will have nearly zero skills or skills that compete directly with current citizens in lower paying labor jobs.

      actually family based sponsorship is much more limited under the current law:

      People who want to become immigrants are classified into categories based on a preference system. The immediate relatives of U.S. citizens, which includes parents, spouses and unmarried children under the age of 21, do not have to wait for an immigrant visa number to become available once the visa petition filed for them is approved by USCIS. An immigrant visa number will become immediately available. The relatives in the remaining categories must wait for an immigrant visa number to become available according to the following preferences:

         *      First preference: Unmarried, adult sons and daughters of U.S. citizens. Adult means 21 years of age or older.
         *      Second Preference: Spouses of lawful permanent residents, their unmarried children (under twenty-one), and the unmarried sons and daughters of lawful permanent residents.
         *      Third Preference: Married sons and daughters of U.S. Citizens.
         *      Fourth Preference: Brothers and sisters of adult U.S. Citizens.

      USCIS

      first category is not limited by quotas. All the other categorizes are limited and have backlogs making the waiting time anywhere from 4 to 12 years.

      http://www.cirnow.org/...

      There are no provisions for extended family members like uncles/aunts, cousins etc...and this is under the current law.

      S 1348 would have eliminated certain of the current  categories entirely and severely limited others.

      And as it sits we allow up to 5 MILLION immigrants in every year, can you name another nation that has even close to that in the way of available slots?

      actually that number is closer to 2mil counting the undocumented.

      1,021,884 - green cards
      320, 686 - temporary work visas
      500,000 - unauthorized.

      1,842,570 - total

      link

      •  Also (1+ / 0-)

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        Duke1676

        I think it is a mistake to assume that every or even a majority of family members (other than kids and spouses of course) even want to immigrate to the US. Of course this just an anecdote, but I know many, many Mexican immigrants in the US, both legal and illegal and for the most part, their sibs and parents aren't interested in immigrating. What they often would like, would be the ability to visit sometimes, which is often denied, even when they have proof of strong ties to Mexico.

        •  Well you must admit that the visa (0+ / 0-)

          system has been abused in the past to allow entry.  CNN highlighted a couple that came to see Disneyland and have stayed, so it is somewhat understandable that what has been abused has been curtailed strongly.

          The trust of the American people has been abused here, rightly or wrongly that is how they are going to react to it, as an abuse of trust.  

          No not every one of the relatives will want to come here to live, but it is best to anticipate and plan for just that so that you have properly allocated resources.  

          And another thing to consider here:  Even if we increase the quota it will NOT be able to keep up with the amount of misery in the rest of the world.  There will always be people in desperate straits looking to skip the line no matter how short.

          So you can either bite the bullet now and come up with some kind of semi-reasoned approach to the whole thing with a bit of humanity and decency in it or you can wait till later and come up with a solution lacking both of them and due to political pressure lacking also reason.

          Immigration must be fair to all concerned and that also covers the people already here.  Because they are under no obligation to allow people to come at all other then the moral obligation to take in refugees (and economics is not a refugee status issue).  Mexico and Mexicans are deserving of no more rights to entry then any other nation or nationality.

      •  Look at all the available quota spaces (0+ / 0-)

        by nation, and you get close to 5 million total spots.  Even at 1.8 million that is a very large number in comparison to other nations and is certainly not smaller then them.  

        http://www.kkeane.com/...

        I have no idea why we are not consuming the total potential quota space which I define as each nation can have no more then 25k people coming in multiplied by the number of "nations".

        But let us use your updated figures as to whom is eligible to be brought in via family unification; that would still leave a probable 3-4 persons capable of being sponsored by the up to 20 million illegals presently in the country if and when they become legal.
        Could there be fewer of them?  Sure but it is better to look at a worst case scenario and plan for it then not.

        That is a considerable number of people that have not been previously planned FOR in any kind of a reasoned way which will necessitate falling back and punting an ad hoc series of solutions and those seldom go well.

        Either way that is a sizable demographic shift in this country in a rather rapid amount of time.  And one really should take a stab at trying to conceive of the unintended consequences of that in a number of areas the two least of which should not be race relations and politics.

        But I have seen nearly no discussion of how that could play out.  No one is even trying to consider how African Americans are going to handle suddenly becoming the number three ethnic group in the country and thereby losing considerable amounts of political clout that they have at present to address issues that concern them and those issues are important.  Nor have we considered the effects on progressive politics on White voters who may have a rather sharp and ugly reactionary response to this all.

        •  you need to read the actual bill (2+ / 0-)

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          But let us use your updated figures as to whom is eligible to be brought in via family unification; that would still leave a probable 3-4 persons capable of being sponsored by the up to 20 million illegals presently in the country if and when they become legal.
          Could there be fewer of them?  Sure but it is better to look at a worst case scenario and plan for it then not.

          1st off  - it's highly unlikely that "up to 20 million illegals" would become citizens...the quotas and point system are just not set up that way. The vast majority would never qualify for LPR status let alone citizenship and would remain in Z status forever.

          BUT let's just say for arguments sake they did become citizens...under the current system there are only 280,000 family green cards offered a year and those would have to be split between not only the new "amnestied" immigrants but all the others already here.

          Under the new bill, after the back log  (the "waiting list" or " waiting line" for those "doing it the right way", as Republican like to call it) is taken care of... the number of family visas would drop to 158,000 a year.  So those "20 million illegals" would be waiting for quite some time to bring in all their family members ...127 years if they each wanted to bring just one person.

          not much to worry about there..don't cha think.

          •  Right (2+ / 0-)

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            The current talking point is that 20 million will suddenly be naturalized and they will all bring in dozens more and suddenly it's 80 mill, and that is so far from reality, but it is scary, just like saying there is a leprosy epidemic. It is so sad that we are so misinformed, but it's true with the Iraq occupation, healthcare, food etc., so why should the immigration issue be any different.  

            The media is irresponsible and citizens are gullible. I suspect there is no cure.

            •  Oh puhleez (1+ / 0-)

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              It is simple political calculus here.  If you have X million new constituents with a problem with something; they usually have been known to get organized and change the thing they have a problem with by voting.

              So if you have 20 million people with even just ONE family member that would like to come and the current system would make them wait an eternity for that to happen....what do you think the odds would be that they might just get themselves some congressional representation and fix it?

              You think that I am ill informed and I think that you are not looking far enough ahead on the issue nor considering more then a single angle on it.

              And I find that sad in the extreme.

          •  So now we are dickering on percentages (1+ / 0-)

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            how much of a percentage of them will become citizens...

            Lets say 25% for all I care, that is still a rather large backlog being added on top of people who already went through the proper channels.

            That doesn't bother you at all?

            And please spare me the guile here, you know as well as I that the number of visa's for family members will eventually have to be increased because there will be such a backlog and a new constituency of voters that can and will apply pressure to have it changed.

            So it may be a quarter million or so NOW, but what will it be in 25 years or so?

  •  Who will replace educated, US-born (0+ / 0-)

    Americans who flee the U.S. to escape the Cheney-Bush junta's reign of error and its concomitant economic maelstrom? It has to be people who still believe the hype about the "American Dream". Those people have to come from somewhere and it certainly won't be the gullible, knuckle-dragging 28% Bushland dead-enders.
    Ever notice how the people who scream the most about "white supremacy" are the strongest counter-examples of their own beliefs?

  •  Nicely put. (1+ / 0-)

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    WayneNight

    I caught this in rescue, too late to tip--sorry.

    But as I was reading this, and thinking of my own ditch-digging ancestors, another thought occurred to me:  does this program discriminate against women?

    Even in the US there are fewer women who get the education preferred:

    professionals with graduate degrees in fields such as science, technology, engineering, and mathematics

    I know women with these degrees, I know they exist.  But do they exist in fair proportion for immigration purposes?

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