FEMA Concentration Camps????

There have been rumblings about the possibility of the Department of Homeland Security building detention centers in various locations around the United States.  The President has secretly added many signing statements to Congressional legislation.  I received this today and was shocked by the detailed information it included.  I'm not much of a journalistic researcher and was hoping some of you who are pros, could verify how much of this is valid - or not.  The combination of the expansion of executive powers and this elaborate plan to apparently imprison some of us is pretty scary stuff.....

Check out the details below:

The first link is Friends of Liberty and discusses many of the locations around the United States as well as in other countries.  The second link is Mindfully.org and discusses not only the locations but lists the many executive orders signed by George W. Bush.  I'm not sure how accurate this information is or how seriously we should take it.
But for those who are saying, "It couldn't happen here", I beg you to read it and draw your own conclusions.

•  Tips if you are concerned about this....

  by moose67 on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:21:44 PM PDT

  •  I actually saw this stuff over a year ago.

    Didn't like it then either.  And maybe it's what it purports to be, a facility for the detention of illegal immigrants.  

    I know that I have also seen the old U.S. plans to invade Canada and that hasn't happened - yet.  I guess we will have to wait and see.

    It does seem that there are a lot of fishy looking data points - Chertoff has a "gut feeling", former federal analyst says the crash is now, former Reagan  administration guy says look out for black flag ops, Bush signs new Executive edicts - some look like Patriot Act 2 - includes property seizure, Guardian reports that Cheney is pushing for war with Iran before Bush leaves office.  Hope it is all just coincidence.  

    It's not that I want to be  paranoid or full of fear.  It's just that I have a family (small children, elderly people) and would rather be safe than not.

    I keep hoping that someone sane and relatively benevolent will take the wheel.  Time after time I think, "No, surely they can't get away with that." But they do, again and again.

    And who do you trust these days?  The MSM? The blogosphere? Random web links?

    And if the nice NSA man is reading, I'm a runner, not a fighter. :)

    by ilex on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:27:07 PM PDT

•  not

  again.

  yes, we're all doomed.

  by Turkana on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:21:58 PM PDT

  •  yes. yes we are.

    oh woe is me.

    i don't know what i shall do.

    by Runs With Scissors on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:37:08 PM PDT

    •  The 9 Israeli art students

      living in my refrigerator suggest that you have a little Cuervo.

      by Bouwerie Boy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:45:57 PM PDT

      •  really now, Bouwerie

        how long are you going to keep them in there?

        you're frustrating their creative juices, you know. tsk tsk!

        by Runs With Scissors on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:50:21 PM PDT

        •  I've almost convinced them to leave but

          they are still demanding black helicopters rather than a car service to JFK.

          by Bouwerie Boy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:56:28 PM PDT

          •  lol!

            by Runs With Scissors on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:00:09 PM PDT

      •  Are they still dancing? :)

        by Andy Lewis on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:35:40 PM PDT

  •  it sure is taking a long time..

    ...do doom us.  I heard about this years ago.  You'd think they'd be finished and packing us in by now.

    by DawnG on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:38:49 PM PDT

  •  as long as the camps have internet access

    Im ok with being doomed

    by Krush on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:42:31 PM PDT

  •  We are definitely

    Doomed

    by pgm 01 on Tue Jul 24, 2007 at 01:35:17 AM PDT

•  Kos said not to talk about this

  Please delete (before he reports you to FEMA).

  by funnywittobunny on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:23:04 PM PDT

  •  You beat me to it.

    Did any of you listen to the Thom Hartman interview with Paul Craig Roberts, on his show?( I think you can get the interview at White Rose Society or at Hartman's Local radio website  Anyway Roberts does not believe that the Bush Crime family is just going to give power away. The interview is chillling.

    by Mr Stagger Lee on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:50:07 PM PDT

    •  I take anything he says with a grain of salt...

      ...as Paul Craig Roberts is an unhinged nutcase with views bordering on white supremacy (actually, I'm being a bit too polite - they don't border on racism, they've set up shop in the heartland of racism).  His column ain't on VDare for nothing.

      by Curufinwe on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:14:39 PM PDT

•  Operation FALCON

  http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/...

  I found this on reddit and it seems kind of interesting.  It may tie too many things together (like Continuity of Government), but it has some interesting quotes of other sources

  Eg., ""In fact, the American Enterprise Institute, to which the Bush team is closely aligned, has already "issued proposals for the operation of Congress following a catastrophic terrorist attack". They advocate the "APPOINTING" of individuals to the House of Representatives "to fill the seats of dead or incapacitated members, a first in American history" "The Continuity of Government Commission is self-commissioned', its members being neither elected nor appointed by any government body and mostly made up of professional lobbyists". ( Read the whole article ) (Coincidentally, Newsweek article "White House Rehearses for Domestic Attack" 2-23-07; "The White House is staging a high-level exercise Saturday to test responses to the prospect of a massive domestic terrorist attack." These drills are a critical part of the C.O.G. regimen dating back to the Reagan administration)""

  by junta0201 on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:24:54 PM PDT

  •  Interesting - thanks for the link.

    by moose67 on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:45:49 PM PDT

  •  Sigh...

    I forgot this one on my list of fishy weirdness above.  There was a blog this week about a member of the Homeland Security Committee being denied access to the  plans re:continuity of government.

    by ilex on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:29:53 PM PDT

•  well

  actually, it isn't FEMA.

  it's THE GREAT ORANGE SATAN which is building the concentration camps.

  ::gleefully rubs hands together::

  by Runs With Scissors on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:36:08 PM PDT

•  No, not FEMA, Ice.

  The camps are for the immigrants.  The details are in this document:

  "ENDGAME" DOCUMENTS: BEFORE AND AFTER

  See also:

  Inhumane raid was just one of many

  ....The plan is called Endgame, and its details are available online on our group's website (www.aclum.org/endgame.pdf). It's a 10-year campaign to track down and deport all the immigrants to the United States who are living and working here without proper documentation, by the year 2012....

  The pdf document explains more about the "facilities" that will be needed, of course.

  pg. 9: While the alien will not necessarily perceive any "benefit" from DRO services, he will be provided with safe and secure confinement in detention facilities,...These services will be provided in a professional manner; the alien will be detained in safe, secure and humane environments; he will be transported safely; and his movement will be fully coordinated with his family, legal representative, and country of origin, whenever appropriate.

  And so much more...

  by mem from somerville on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:39:08 PM PDT

  •  And in May Bush gave $1.6 million to a

    company in FL to build more camps in GITMO for Cuban rafters, in case Castro dies. Another jail on the base surrounded by razor wire.

    When will this end...???

    (and PS Clinton built the first Cuban camps, Bush I build the very first ones for Haitian boat people, whom he suddenly sent back to Haiti. No matter who made them, they were all just extraterritorial immigrant detention centers, ie jails run by the military, and people suffered there)

    by betson08 on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:55:34 PM PDT

•  I didn't go to your links because I think the

  detention camps and the executive orders have been discussed quite a bit on this site as well as on liberal radio as well as NPR. I have no idea what Bush's intentions are and mostly I think he (Cheney and Addington) is overreaching.

  His executive order for freezing funds of people who "undermine" the Iraqi reconstruction, and so on was discussed on the Diane Reahm Show on NPR this morning. One of the guests was Bruce Fein, who was in Regan's justice department. Fein seems worried about about this particular executive order as he is worried about much that Bush has done.

  by paige on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:41:18 PM PDT

•  I will be uncomfortable

  only when Michele Malkin is named Ambassador to Shantytown.

  by mrblifil on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:41:37 PM PDT

•  While conspiracy theory nuts are discouraged

  And I understand the logic-its bad for a political site to be filled with commentary about little green men-The New Executive Signing Statement needs to be addressed. By a front pager. In a calm rational manner explaining what the heck it means.

  by Krush on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 07:51:04 PM PDT

•  look it-

  Their are reasons not to beleive our governments word on pretty much anything at the present, and media is party to that mistrust.  However, they assume they know the heart of Americanism, and I am willing to bet my life that they are completely wrong about the birthright of freedom that every American citizen has right to.  Freedom is our inheritence, simply by birth.   Every American knows this in their heart, in their guts, and will naturally rise up to defend that with their life if challenged.

  If your father left you an acre, a dollar, if you recieved anything from your ancestors, and the government rose to take it away, would you stand for it?  Would you simply lay down and hand it off?  Quite frankly, when push comes to shove, America won't lay down either.  

  I do know a little about FEMA and disasters as well.  I live on the MS Gulf Coast currently, and was baptized in the waters of Katrina, so to speak.  People will not let the government take over and run them off their land, won't be shuttled off to concentration camps, IF they are well-connected to their community.  Forget whant your think you know about the disaster situation down here, but the people who recover, who make it through with their families and property are the ones who have the help of friends and neighbors.  Don't be a victim to the government, be the solution to it.  

  You know they may try this or that, take away rights, property, civil liberties, and they can do that if you are alone, if you don't have the support and connections in your community to withstand their worst.  Get connected, have a disaster preparedness group in your neighborhood or building.  Give everyone a project should the shit hit the fan.  

  Don't wait for the inevitable to happen, disaster preparedness is within everyones ability to organize. This also presents the opportunity to get aquainted with neighbors, deal with a situation in a non-partisan manner, and quite frankly, when the cavalry comes, you will be less susceptible to the various organizations that wish to control the resources in your area.

  by lilorphant on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:41:01 PM PDT

•  About KBR's camps.

  I've got some debunks, and some scary facts here...

  First of all, I presume we're talking about those camps being built with that $385 million contract with KBR.

  For one thing, those sites that have the big lists of locations have been debunked.  People have been to those sites, and no camps are being built there.

  But...but...but...

  What that contract with KBR is is a contingency contract.  They don't actually have that $385 million yet.  The operation is currently dormant.  Not non-existent, but dormant.

  So what happens when it wakes up?

  If the contract is activated, purportedly by an "immigration emergency" or some other contingency that motivates the .gov to want to detain huge numbers of people, then those camps will be built.  Bear in mind the word "camp", meaning that they can be built cheaply, quickly, and in large numbers across the country.  All you need for a camp is guards and other staff, a concertina wire perimeter fence, a bunch of tents for barracks, a few quonset hut buildings for the mess hall, infirmary, etc.

  They're not built yet, but if Bush pulls the trigger on the contingency contract, they'll be running in weeks...

  by meldroc on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:41:21 PM PDT

•  Ugh

  Just ughhh.

  by Crestingwave on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:47:10 PM PDT

•  They are already Built

  just google prison camps in America

  by barbybuddy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:38:08 PM PDT

  •  Yes, some are. One near San Diego.

    Supposedly, they're in case we're mobbed by illegal aliens, following some 'event' in another country.

    by Wilberforce on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:03:57 PM PDT

•  ...to apparently imprison some of us ...

  Some of you, maybe, but not us.

  By the way.  It's called r-e-s-e-a-r-c-h.  Great concept. Try it yourself.  Daddy can't always do your homework.

  by valion on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:51:59 PM PDT