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Contributism: an alternative to capitalism and communism.

Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 03:50:10 PM PDT

I'm envisioning a new economic system based on the idea that people should pay for content instead of for "packaging," and based on the idea that people should be able to make their living by contributing to their society instead of by voluntarily enslaving themselves to a corporation.

I'm very interested in your comments and ideas!  Poll below.

Let me start with an application.  Imagine if, instead of simply uploading a video to YouTube, Jane decides on a price for her video 2-minute long video.  Perhaps she decides on a price of 12 cents to view her video.  Suppose that every YouTube viewer has a PayPal-type account with YouTube.  When a person decides to view the video, 12 cents is deducted from his account and put in Jane's account.  Perhaps Google takes a 1% commission for providing the service.

Suppose that Jim emails you and tells you that there is a really awesome video that you need to watch.  He says "This girl is an amazing breakdancer!  I'm telling you, this YouTube video is totally worth the 12 cents!"  But you just spent $1.95 on an advertisement-free episode of The Sopranos and you just spent two hours watching the (free) democratic debates, and you're just not that interested in seeing the breakdancer right now.  Plus you just got a really interesting idea of your own that you think people would like to hear about.  

So instead of watching the breakdancing video, you spend your next few hours putting together a presentation which you upload to YouTube later that day.  Before you do, you decide how much you're going to charge for it.  Are you going to make it free?  Or do you want a little compensation for your idea.  Remember, if you charge just $.01 and get 4,000 hits (which is certainly not unusual for YouTube), you've made $40.  Not only that, but 4,000 people will have seen your idea. (And, by the way, Google will have made $.40 on the transaction.)  

Regardless of what your video is about, submitting it to YouTube is in fact a contribution to society, and you will be compensated for it in accordance with the price you decide on and the number of people who believe that your contribution is worth that price.  Luckily, you have submitted videos to YouTube before and people know that your stuff is often good, so they are likely to agree to pay the penny to see your latest contribution.

I'm calling the idea, of which the above scenario is an application, "Contributism."  It is similar to capitalism in that it involves a "free market."  But I submit that it in fact provides a much freer market than the current incarnation of capitalism does.  Contributism is based on the concept that a person is happiest and is also most efficient when he or she is doing something that he or she is good at.  It's based on the conjecture that people actually enjoy contributing to their society, and that the only reason they don't do it more often is that there are not enough media for doing so.  With the internet a new medium has become available for transfer of content.

I'm suggesting that people should pay for content, not for packaging.  I consider ABC or ESPN to be little more than packaging for the content, and that it's the content which people are tuning in to watch.  Filled with advertisements and aggressive attempts to induce people to purchase items which are, at best, tangentially related to the content that said network is actually delivering, these networks are "middle men" that have set up a parasitic and bad-faith screen between the content being submitted and the consumers of that content.  I'm suggesting that we eliminate the middle man.  I'm suggesting that, via the internet, people (e.g. the writers of "The Sopranos" or Jane the breakdancer) deliver their content directly to those who appreciate it, and that those appreciators pay their money directly to the writers, actors, etc., instead of funnelling their payment through the corporate middle man (e.g., in the case of The Sopranos, the HBO network).  Those who enjoy the content pay for it directly, instead of via the current method which involves watching advertisements that subliminally induce them to purchase things they may not need.

Actually, I'm not suggesting that we completely eliminate the middle man. In the above YouTube application, note that Google gets a fair share of profit ($.40) for contributing the medium itself (namely YouTube). And that's exactly the point.  People (or corporations) should be paid for the service they provide, but no more.  Another service which a corporation can provide is a means for organizing people into an effective unit.  And such a corporation should be paid for so organizing people.  However, instead of being workers or laborers as they are now called, perhaps there is some way that the employees could be individually paid for their contribution to the organizational unit and not merely for their labor.

I'm envisioning an economic system, and more generally a society, which trades in the currency of contribution and content.  Like capitalism and libertarianism, it is based on a free market.  Like socialism or communism, it is totally egalitarian and "people-powered."  Unlike communism it discourages laziness; unlike capitalism, it discourages corporate "wage slavery" and blind consumption.  Instead, Contributism would encourage action and contribution to a strongly interconnected community.

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By the way, I just searched Google (perhaps I should have done this first) and found that the word "contributism" has been used before, seemingly in reference to a socio-economic model like the one above.  So, though I think the above ideas are my own, I don't claim to be the first to propose them.  

I would love to hear your comments on the above incarnation of the idea of contributism.  

Poll

Would you pay 12 cents to watch an amazing 2 minute breakdancing video?

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  •  Contributions? (3+ / 0-)

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    Have you ever dreamed of a system which transcends but includes the truths of both socialism and capitalism?

    Will you spend an hour on the ground for every 100 hours you spend fuming online?

    by dspivak on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 03:47:52 PM PDT

  •  I hate my poll!! (0+ / 0-)

    I didn't realize the poll appears on the front page (it's been a while since I've been posted here or read the diary page).  

    I feel like the poll, appearing before the main page, totally trivializes the diary!  No one knows what the hell the poll is referring to unless they read below the jump.

    There's no way to delete the poll, is there?

    Will you spend an hour on the ground for every 100 hours you spend fuming online?

    by dspivak on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 03:53:28 PM PDT

  •  Why is no one commenting? (0+ / 0-)

    Someone explain to me why no one is commenting on my diary.  Is it boring?  Is it not a new idea?  Is it dumb?  Will it fail?  If so, why isn't anyone telling me these things?

    Will you spend an hour on the ground for every 100 hours you spend fuming online?

    by dspivak on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:01:54 PM PDT

    •  I Think Site Traffic Is Very Low-- (0+ / 0-)

      It's around peak vacation season I think [families with school kids may have to be back for sports and band camps in August for example].

      Plus there's been a lot of outrage blogging over the past week. I'm guessing a lot of people are stuck out in the physical world is all.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:52:21 PM PDT

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  •  re: poll: how amazing is the vid? (1+ / 0-)

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    like, Napolean Dynamite amazing or 'Breakin' 3' amazing?  For the sake of the dkos community, please clarify.

    if you're not supposed to eat aquarium gravel, why do they make it taste so good?

    by bnasley on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:12:03 PM PDT

    •  Brilliant question! (0+ / 0-)

      The vid is friggin awesome.  She balances herself on one hand, no legs, and does a pushup.  Then she flings herself around and lands effortlessly on her hind legs!

      I know you would pay 12 cents for THAT!

      Will you spend an hour on the ground for every 100 hours you spend fuming online?

      by dspivak on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:15:55 PM PDT

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      •  its' not paying 12 cents per se, its' more an (0+ / 0-)

        issue of percentage of income.  And not only is my income such that 12 cents is a noticeable percentage and not only would I probably wait for someone who already downloaded the vid to burn a copy for me, I'm also more into the robot school of breakdancing.  You really, really need to clarify these things.  And it wouldn't hurt to work in a mention about Bill O'Reilley, Cindy Sheehan, the 9/11 Omission report and US support for Israel.  And joe lieberman.  For or against, just mention them.  And moose.  Don't forget the moose.  I have a brother-in-law who is a dentist in Norway and he was bit by a moose.

        if you're not supposed to eat aquarium gravel, why do they make it taste so good?

        by bnasley on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:33:05 PM PDT

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  •  Well, now I have to go. (0+ / 0-)

    I was hoping to have time to have a little discussion with people about the idea, but that was not to be.  Hopefully there'll be at least one meaningful comment on here when I come back (no offense, bnasley).  But perhaps that is not to be.

    Will you spend an hour on the ground for every 100 hours you spend fuming online?

    by dspivak on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:21:19 PM PDT

  •  I can comment regarding the silence in here (0+ / 0-)

    Due respect, this is a community that exists to get Dems elected.  It's not a new-age think tank for idealistic sea change kind of systems.

    Especially in the middle of what may be the most important election cycle in the history of this country, and especially when this just gives O'Liely another chitter chatter point of confusion:

    "Oh, look at those crazy liberals, you let them in and they're going to drag this country into a communistic  frenzy,"  

    We have to rid the demons before anyone here is thinking about spreading wings - you know - time to dream, time to fight?  You'll very likely have more luck posting third party / third system (?) diaries on a personal blog as opposed to here.

    Absolutely nothing personal.

    "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

    by Back in the Cave on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:27:59 PM PDT

    •  However (0+ / 0-)

      I would definitely pay $20 for a ticket to a break dancing exhibition.  And, might . . . might even pay $12 for a DVD of the best of the best doing their thing.  

      We work hard for the money . . . work hard to feed the family . . . and enjoy enjoying some spoils every once in a while.

      We here like our American Dream.  

      "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

      by Back in the Cave on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:34:34 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

      Point taken..

      But we do talk about bigger things than just the '08 elections.  I mean there are sciency diaries, flu pandemic diaries, sunday morning home and garden blogging, etc.

      Is there something substantially different between my post and a home and gardening post?  Is one more or less relevant to our common goals than the other?

      Will you spend an hour on the ground for every 100 hours you spend fuming online?

      by dspivak on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 09:18:35 PM PDT

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      •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

        It is significantly different.  

        No one here with any hopes of avoiding autoban is going to give much credence or waste much discussion on the theory you borrowed to diary about.  We're a community that wants to take our system back, not overthrow it and put a quasi-communist one in its place.  I was just being polite.  

        "Your" idea is not original, and wouldn't work on so many levels . . . especially within our system (except perhaps in a limited COOP scenario).  This French Communist theory is so far out there that to put it on a Democratic site is borderline offensive.  It's not something that many people are going to engage while talking garden shop . . .

        Surely you are logically and socially cognizant enough to see that bringing this brownie to dinner is like crashing a NASA party looking for alien abduction answers.  

        Your audience just isn't here for this one . . .

        "Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor." --Sholem Yakov Rabinowitz

        by Back in the Cave on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:32:05 AM PDT

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  •  an interesting idea, but hasn't succeeded yet (2+ / 0-)

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    dspivak, kraant

    This sort of idea's been proposed a number of times, but has yet to succeed, though that doesn't mean it won't in the future. The biggest problems are: 1) financial infrastructure currently doesn't efficiently support many transfers of very small sums; and 2) people, especially in the U.S., generally prefer paying flat rates for unlimited usage of services, even if they end up paying more overall, rather than having to do the mental accounting on a per-usage basis.

    The Wikipedia article on micropayments has a little more on the subject.

    "See a world of tanks, ruled by a world of banks." —Sol Invictus

    by Delirium on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:31:03 PM PDT

  •  I Make Physical Objects for Sale (0+ / 0-)

    I don't see a way for a whole new scheme to work with that.

    What does make sense is a New Deal progressive tax and regulation environment so that I'm paying all the costs I'd impose on society with laissez-faire deregulation, motivated to deal in various socially just ways, etc.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 04:55:05 PM PDT

  •  How odd... (0+ / 0-)

    Your idea is very similar to something that was proposed for the internet by the French Communist Party in the runup to the last elections there...

    Don't worry, though. They're probably not planning to sue you.

    Founder and CFO, The Giddiyap Society.

    by Trotsky the Horse on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 05:00:50 PM PDT

  •  The problem with this system... (1+ / 0-)

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    ztn

    ...is the same with every system which attempts to be more "humane" than capitalism: it depends on factors which cannot be controlled except for by force.

    This system works fine on a limited, voluntary basis.  But once you attempt to compel this behavior, that's where you'll find it impossible and requiring authoritarian government.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 05:09:46 PM PDT

    •  yep. (0+ / 0-)

      lame.

      (-0.05 econ., -5.44 social) Democratic Freedom Caucus-a better way.

      by ztn on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 07:53:09 PM PDT

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    •  YouTube? (0+ / 0-)

      Can you apply your comment to the specific suggestion that a YouTube-like site provide a medium for this kind of idea?

      Will you spend an hour on the ground for every 100 hours you spend fuming online?

      by dspivak on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 09:21:46 PM PDT

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      •  I think it will fail... (0+ / 0-)

        ...because of the competition from YouTube and similar sites that offer content for free.  The artists will prefer YouTube because the benefits of exposure outweigh the value of compensation.

        The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

        by Jay Elias on Sat Jul 28, 2007 at 10:48:29 PM PDT

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        •  All goes back to the most simple economic premis: (1+ / 0-)

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          Jay Elias

          All action "rational". People make choices based on scarcity...one way or another and will always look for maximum benefit based on choices and all human action reflects that.

          (-0.05 econ., -5.44 social) Democratic Freedom Caucus-a better way.

          by ztn on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:55:42 PM PDT

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          •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

            ...there has been a lot of recent research into irrational economic choices, but generally speaking, what you said is axiomatic.

            The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

            by Jay Elias on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 05:00:50 PM PDT

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