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Vegetables of Mass Destruction - Label Reading

Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 03:27:43 PM PDT

There were a few articles I saw online a couple of weeks ago that I want to discuss briefly.

The first is Yahoo!'s advice for satisfying cravings. The second exposes lies on food labels. We're talking big, significant lies - like lying about the number of calories or fat grams.

The two of these together just illustrate (to me) how much we as a society are totally missing the point. Unfortunately, there's no way to cheat our way out of eating healthy foods if we want to be healthy. AND, done right, the h ealthy stuff is delicious and enjoyable (and sometimes even affordable and convenient, too).

First, here's a taste of the Yahoo! article:

IF ONLY A DOUGHNUT WILL DO
GO FOR: Entenmann's Softee Plain Donut Singles
WHY: We almost fell for Krispy Kreme's Whole Wheat Glazed, which at 180 calories appear to be one of the skinniest, healthiest options sold individually. The bummer: Hidden inside are 3.5 grams of scary trans fats. All Entenmann's doughnuts, on the other hand, are trans fats free, though for mysterious reasons the "singles" come two to a pack -- so share one with a friend and you'll only eat 170 calories each.

Other recommendations are:

  • Chocolate: Hershey's Antioxidant Milk Chocolate OR Dove Dark Chocolate Singles (1.3 oz. bars)
  • Ice cream: Blue Bunny Personals Double Strawberry Light OR a small cone at Dairy Queen
  • Cookies: Nabisco 100% Whole Grain Newtons Minis
  • Pie: A slice of pumpkin OR blueberry
  • Chips: A 1 1/8 oz. bag of Baked Lays

On the good side, they are paying attention to trans fat. On the other hand, they are telling people to replace processed food cravings with less unhealthy processed food.

In the case of chocolate, the advice I've heard from one of my favorite experts (Steven Pratt, MD) is to eat chocolate with 70% or more cacao content so you can get all of the antioxidants without so much freaking sugar. Does the Hershey or Dove Yahoo! recommends do the trick? I have no idea. The Hershey option is milk chocolate, which practically guarantees you're not getting 70%+ cacao.

If you're into fair trade and organic chocolate, the best I've found so far is the Endangered Species brand (read the label - they aren't all organic) and those have the percentage of cacao listed clearly on each chocolate bar.

As for the others, some seem legit. Pumpkin and blueberry pie, in particular. Of course pies are NOT all equal. I like to make them from scratch with reduced sugar. For pumpkin, I can reduce it from 3/4 c. to 1/3 c. and never miss it. Any lower than that and the pie starts tasting like a vegetable.

For someone buying pie at the grocery store, who knows what's in there... trans fats, preservatives, artificial flavoring, artificial coloring, artificial sweeteners OR perhaps a truckload of natural sweeteners. The all-natural blueberry pie my bakery sells tastes so sugary that I'd rather just eat a pint of fresh blueberries.

Overall, the advice Yahoo! gives just makes me uneasy. They miss the point that Michael Pollan made in one of his NY Times articles: Eat food, not nutrients. The nutrition panel's important but the processed stuff will never, ever equal the creations made by Mother Nature herself. Cramming extra calcium into junkfood may sound nice, but it won't nutritionally equal naturally calcium-rich foods (like rhubarb, if we're sticking to the pie theme).

My other hesitation is that some of their recommendations (namely, baked chips and whole grain newtons) would NEVER satisfy me if I were after greasy chips and gooey chocolate chip cookies. If I'm craving cookies, they better be my special recipe. I can substitute applesauce for butter and use whole grain flour, but that's about as far as I'm willing to budge on the issue. Better to sin and enjoy it than to go halfway and feel like you're depriving yourself.

The good news for me is that it takes a very small amount of the real thing to give me a stomach ache. I won't say it takes a small amount to satiate me because believe me, I'll never have two bites of a cookie and say "That was delicious. Now I'm ready to have a salad." But as little as a few spoonfuls of gelato make my stomach uncomfortable enough that junk no longer tempts me - at least until after I've eaten something healthy and a bit of time has passed.

Onto the second article. Another Kossack sent me this one and I think it made both of us want to just throw our hands up in the air and give up.

Here's what I mean:

In one case, her co-workers were raving about Pirate's Booty, a cheese-flavored puffed-rice snack. The label boasted that one serving contained 120 calories and 2.5 grams of fat. Yet when Hammock tasted it, she knew better.

"It didn't taste like a low-fat, low-calorie snack. It tasted like Cheez Doodles," she says.

Indeed, the lab found that Pirate's Booty contained 147 calories and 8.5 grams of fat per serving -- 6 grams more than the label claimed.

I used to chow down that stuff in college, believing it was a delicious, low fat snack. Whoops. The article says that Florida's Dept of Agriculture found that about 10% of products tested lie on their labels. Yikes!

All I can say is thank goodness for the farmers' market. They've got no labels, so they've also got no lies. But no one has to compare calories and fat and wonder whether the foods sold at the farmers' market are going to kill them. Right now we've got peaches, nectarines, plums, apricots, cherries, strawberries, and all kinds of vegetables here. My latest obsession is the muskmelons (a.k.a. cantaloupes) I've been getting from my strawberry guy. OMG, I'd choose these melons over ice cream any day.

I realize California's a bit exceptional (especially for fruit!) but back in Wisconsin, the farm where I had my CSA last year is offering a LONG list this week, including: arugula, beets (red, gold, and chioggia), basil, broccoli, burdock, carrots, cipollini onions, cilantro, cucumber, currants (red, white, and black) ... and that just gets you through the alphabet up to C.

I can't pretend I'm immune to craving sweets... I spent yesterday "tasting" cheesecake and chocolate dipped cookies while at work in the bakery. But as much as I can't resist those, now I'm sitting here looking at my CSA farm's website, drooling over the thought of their kohlrabi and sugar snap peas.

Developing tastes for fresh, whole foods sidesteps the problem of reading nutrition labels and hoping they aren't lies. We're always looking for the shortcuts - to make everything in season all the time with perfect standardization and a never-ending shelf-life, ALL while satisfying our bodies' pre-programmed affinity for fat, salt, and sugar - but it just isn't going to happen. When will our country wake up?

UPDATE: Right after I posted, I saw another article that says the 100-calorie snack pack business surpassed $20 mil a year. So you can pay more per calorie and still eat processed junk.

"The irony," said David Adelman, who follows the food industry for Morgan Stanley, "is if you take Wheat Thins or Goldfish, buy a large-size box, count out the items and put them in a Ziploc bag, you’d have essentially the same product." Mr. Adelman estimates that snack packs are about 20 percent more profitable than larger packages.

I can barely even put into words what I think about this. Food as the enemy is never going to work, and as long as our society runs on processed foods that make us fat and sick, food will continue to be the enemy. It's not that hard to break the cycle by getting delicious treats at a farmers' market or natural foods co-op instead. Not that anyone who reaches mainstream America is promoting that message...

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  •  Tips (34+ / 0-)

    Sorry I didn't post earlier - I got up at 6:20am to make it to my 6:30am shift at work (I was only 5 min late!).

    Looking back over this, it's probably a bit more shrill than I meant it to be, especially considering I have no credentials in nutrition whatsoever. And there's a political tie-in here that is not touched on in the diary, such as why junk is cheaper (and SO much more prevalent) than healthy stuff to begin with. A diary covering all of that would be never-ending.

    •  FWIW... (10+ / 0-)

      ...if I had the time, I could probably come up with recipes for healthy substitutes for each of the junk foods you listed in the diary, and they'd all taste plenty good!

      •  mmm (6+ / 0-)

        No doubt. I'd redo my cookie recipe with agave nectar and maple syrup subbed in as sweetener, applesauce for butter, maybe firm tofu instead of eggs, 70% cacao dark chocolate chips if I could find 'em, add cinnamon (I hear it's good for you), whole wheat flour... they'd still pack in the calories (esp bc of the chocolate) but at least they'd be fairly nutritious.

        Ice cream... believe it or not, I'm a sorbet convert. My favorite dessert at a restaurant is 3 tiny scoops of sorbet (lemon, raspberry, and mango), a small dollop of coconut flavored whipped cream, fresh berries and a sprig of mint. The raspberry and mango can be made with frozen fruit, sugar, water, and nothing more. The lemon would probably need some corn syrup to help the texture I'd bet.

        Pie? I've got that taken care of on my recipe website, at least for pumpkin. None of this is impossible, for anyone who likes to cook. But usually when I get ingredients in my house like fresh blueberries, I think about fresh blueberries vs. blueberry pie and then I just eat the berries raw.

        •  Mostly agreed... (5+ / 0-)

          ...though I'd use ground up flax seeds for the eggs instead.

          On hot summer days like today, there's nothing quite like a fresh, cool fruit salad for lunch. Give me that over pie any day!

        •  cinnamon (1+ / 0-)

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          agave nectar and maple syrup subbed in as sweetener, applesauce for butter, maybe firm tofu instead of eggs, 70% cacao dark chocolate chips if I could find 'em, add cinnamon (I hear it's good for you), whole wheat flour... they'd still pack in the calories (esp bc of the chocolate) but at least they'd be fairly nutritious.

          Cinnamon contains cumarin, which (in large amounts) inhibits blood congealing, and is quite a lot of work and stress for the liver.
          It's harmless in the amouts usually used, but little children, people under blood-thinning medication (e.g. after a stroke), etc are advised not to exaggerate with cinnamon cookies.
          It's not generally healthy.

          I'm sure your cookie recipe is fairly nutritious, but the traditional one with sugar and eggs instead of maple syrup and tofu is no less nutritious, and contains about the same nutritients. Maple syrup is, after all, sweet because of the sugar it contains. The same goes for honey. (I don't know about agave nectar.) The main differences are water content and of course taste.

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          by intruder from Old Europe on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 05:04:44 PM PDT

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          •  yeah but (0+ / 0-)

            maple syrup is slightly sweeter than sugar so you can substitute 3/4 c. syrup for 1 c. sugar (which translates to 3/4 of the calories) AND maple syrup has a bit of calcium and iron in it. Not tons, but some. Plus, back home in WI I could get it locally and that was a plus. I'm gonna look into getting agave nectar locally now - we've certainly got the agave plants around here.

          •  cinnamon #2 (1+ / 0-)

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            also, if one has "tree" allergies, cinnamon may be out of bounds -- it's "tree bark", eh?  my DH has a really scary anaphylactic reaction to even a few grains, so we don't even keep it in the house.  

            it's AMAZING how much stuff (food products AND recipes) has cinnamon in it; and how many things just list "spices" on labels!  I've been hunting for an approximation for 20+ years, and usually just end up leaving it out.  really a bother!

    •  Not shrill at all! (7+ / 0-)

      I love your series.

      I stopped eating meat a while ago - and one of your posts last December probably was one of the reasons. It planted a seed (hooee!) somewhere in my mind which at some point sprouted (ha ha!).

      The plural of anecdote is not data.

      by vernonlee on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PDT

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      •  aww thanks :) (4+ / 0-)

        How's it working out for you? Do you miss meat? My first year as a vegetarian I ate meat very occasionally - turkey on thanksgiving, sushi in Hawaii (Waikiki was vegetarian hell for me and I was working in a hospital 14 hrs a day), salmon two or three times in San Diego, lobster once... most of the time it was just confirmation that I was doing fine without it. Well, the sushi tasted pretty darn good (but it also bugged me to knowingly eat farmed salmon).

        •  I must admit (2+ / 0-)

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          I do still eat fish. And I'm only a few steps toward changing my diet completely (as opposed to removing beef, pork and poultry). But I'm surprised I don't miss meat at all.

          I didn't start saying "I'm not going to eat meat any more," I just found I wasn't in the mood (after recovering some sort of intestinal virus and eating lots of plain brown rice for a few days) and decided I wouldn't eat any for a while but see how it goes. My rule at first was to just roll with what I wanted - but to set the bar very high for eating beef/poultry/pork.

          In other words, if I went to the worlds greatest steak restaurant, I might have some. I didn't feel like I was making an escape clause for myself; the whole thing didn't feel like that big a deal, so I didn't make it a big deal. I didn't have a goal in mind but just paid attention along the way.  

          I've been at plenty of restaurant meals and potluck barbecues and didn't have the need to tell anyone I didn't eat meat. There's always something to eat: someone (in CA/NY) usually serves a raw veggie/hummus appetizer, a bean salad, throws some veggies on the grill, etc.

          When I did have conversations with people about not eating meat, often the reaction was, "I could never forgo hamburgers/pepperoni pizza/ribs/a nice steak/chicken wings." What standard answer is that most plates of ribs are not that great. There are lots of average meaty meals out there: big hunks of beef you chew and swallow but that aren't delicious. Is every hamburger you've eaten really delicious? Unfortunately, no - but you do feel tired after that lunch/dinner and want to take a nap while your digestive tract goes into overtime to break down the piles of food you've eaten. And it's not good for your waistline. In fact, when you sit down to a big plate o' meat, you're hoping it lives up to your highest standard and fondest memories of that meal - but it rarely does. So think about all the mediocre meat meals you've eaten and tell me whether you're giving up all these great meals, or the potential for all these great meals. That seems to get people to see it in another light.

          Another thing I say (if anyone is curious) is that I just don't want to be part of our industrialized food production system. I have no problem whether people eat beef/poultry/pork - but how it comes to your local restaurant or supermarket is a real problem. I wish more of it was raised and slaughtered closer to market in smaller farms, and was priced to reflect how much it costs to provide a product that's safe to eat and where the producers could earn a decent wage and not work in such gross conditions. I don't know what the answer is - but it's clear that it's not good for anyone. So my option right now is opting out of that part of it.

          I was recently at dinner with a good ol' boy from Biloxi, MS and told him I didn't eat meat. His ears pricked up and he asked me about it and I gave a version of the answers above; I'd already spoken to him quite a bit so I think he already had an okay opinion about how I derive my liberal views. But he seemed surprisingly thoughtful and said what I was saying made perfect sense.

          I think he was surprised that I didn't have any opinion on whether he or anyone else ate meat - that if they do, it should be more expensive and higher quality (and less likely to make us sick). And that part of my concern about eating meat was concern for how so much of the poultry and pork production is done under such gross conditions, particularly in the South. I said, I don't think it's fair that those families work very hard and yet they've turned animal husbandry into the most horrible working conditions, and it's really hard for people to make a living. I come from generations of ranchers on my mother's side, and they lived lives that were hard but we modern-day city slickers can really envy. I don't think people envy poultry farmers. I think those hard-working folks deserve to make a decent living. And I think it's a shame that all the people who now live downwind from huge smelly hog farms with vast lakes of liquid waste: they can't sell their houses, and they have to live under clouds of poop smell.

          We'll see about fish down the line. For one, it may be easier to forgo it because we're so busy extracting all the fish from the waters; I don't view eating farmed fish as an option. Ditto shrimp: my trip to Monterey Bay Aquarium showed me how much damage our national shrimp-eating frenzy is doing.

          If I were vegan, though, it would be very difficult. And if you told me I couldn't eat any cheese, I'd be very depressed.

          The plural of anecdote is not data.

          by vernonlee on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 07:31:10 PM PDT

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          •  very thoughtful response (2+ / 0-)

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            when I decided to go veg, I promised myself that I'd still get to eat those great meals. The ones I knew would be great. Lobster at the company steak n lobster picnic. Wild Alaskan Salmon at a restaurant that makes it incredibly well in San Diego (and this was when I lived in Wisconsin so it wasn't like I'd be frequenting the restaurant), and that sort of thing. But over time I decided that if I was going to call myself a vegetarian, then the label might as well mean something. It took about a year, maybe more, for me to actually feel bothered by the idea of eating something that had to be killed. That wasn't my original motivation at all - it was the feedlot and slaughterhouse conditions, the environmental damage, the inhumane working conditions for the people who work in processing plants, etc.

            As for my concern about what other people do? Its none of my business. Naturally, I hope they eat a healthy diet (which does mean reducing meat intake if you're an avg American and eating higher quality meat) in just the same way that I'd never wish illness on anyone, but that's a more abstract wish, not a specific blaming or fingerpointing at individuals who are just eating what they like and what they are used to eating.

            •  right on! (2+ / 0-)

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              I'm surprised how this has been, and will continue to be, a process. And it's surprisingly easy and doesn't have to take up a lot of time either.

              I also am surprised how many people expect me to feel superior or lecture them about what they eat. I say I don't care, and people see they aren't about to be attacked for what they eat - there's always a palpable sense that people are at odds because they don't have anything to defend because nobody's saying anything critical of them.

              But I think your diaries up here on Kos have a wider impact that you imagine!

              The plural of anecdote is not data.

              by vernonlee on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 08:21:21 PM PDT

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              •  thanks, what a compliment! (2+ / 0-)

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                I find that too, what you say about people. And many people expect ME to want THEM to avoid meat in my presence. That one absolutely kills me. If they want to use dining together as a way to explore their culinary options by trying out a veg meal, that's cool, but if they want a steak, why on earth would I prevent them from doing so?

  •  Love your philosophical outlook, OC. (13+ / 0-)

    Better to sin and enjoy it than to go halfway and feel like you're depriving yourself.

    That feeling of deprivation just leads to more sinning seems to me.

    Jerry Northington, D.V.M., for Congress, DE-AL. Elect a real Progressive Democrat in '08.

    by possum on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 03:30:18 PM PDT

  •  Hershey's. (10+ / 0-)

    While one would like to get behind a chocolate so good they didn't have to advertise, is not the Hershey company less than progessive?

    Of course their wiki entry is maintained by the company, or should be.

  •  If I'm craving something that is fattening... (8+ / 0-)

    I eat it. Not a ton or anything...I don't tend to go too overboard, but I've learned that the more I try to hold myself back, the more I want whatever I'm trying to avoid having...so um, I just eat what I want in good portion sizes.

    You won't catch me eating one of those 100 calorie snack pack things. I don't do processed things like that.

    Honestly, there's nothing better to me than an Endangered Species bar of chocolate...I usually eat just a little square every day- sometimes I skip a day- but the chocolate is so dark and rich that the little square is all that's needed to satisfy my craving.

    Good diary :-)

  •  unshelled unsalted peanuts (7+ / 0-)

    prolly 50% fat, but organic --- and tasty!

    and cheap.

    besides, you can use the shells as mulch when you're done.

  •  trans fats (6+ / 0-)

    I was at my parents' place this last week, and my mom made a pie (rhubarb and strawberry -- EXCELLENT) with an oil crust in order to avoid Crisco. It wasn't as delicate and flaky as a crust made with Crisco, but it was pretty good.

    IIRC, she said that you beat ice water into the oil (a mix of olive oil and canola oil in this case--I can't remember the amounts, but I can get them if anyone's interested) just before you mix it into the flour. Beating in the ice water in makes it thicken a bit. Then you have to roll out the dough between two sheets of wax paper. You might be able to do that trick of rolling it out on one sheet of wax paper with the rolling pin covered with a nylon stocking (a trick I've been using for years), but she didn't try that this time.

    But in the end my husband and I sort-of wondered about all the fuss. At home we make a pie about once every two or three months, and we eat very healthy foods on the whole. That amount of Crisco isn't likely to have much of a chance to do us in. And a nice flaky crust is heavenly. It was really interesting to see an oil crust made, but I might stick with the Crisco for our few yearly pies at home.

  •  And What's Up With.... (5+ / 0-)

    organic dehydrated cane syrup?

    Is it really so bad to call it sugar?

    These are the things that get me annoyed........

    Then I move on.

    I go forth to make new demands on life. Do something that is worthy of it and me. May I dare as I have never done! May I persevere as I have never done!-HDT

    by Democrat on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 04:12:42 PM PDT

    •  It *is* different (2+ / 0-)

      One is processed through bone char and the other most certainly isn't. The juice is pressed out, and then allowed to evaporate leaving behind all the lovely flavors and nutrients in the crystals.

      Mais, la souris est en dessous la table, le chat est sur la chaise et le singe est... est... le singe est disparu! -- Eddie Izzard

      by CSI Bentonville on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 04:35:35 PM PDT

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      •  thank you! (1+ / 0-)

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        our bakery offers organic dehydrated cane juice as a sweetener and the customers are always asking if it's sugar.

        •  It's one of those things... (0+ / 0-)

          people just seem to assume was given a fancy name to sound better but it really is quite different. For one, it *is* organic and it *is* cane not barley, beet or otherwise.

          Sweeteners is another thing I think would make a great diary.

          When I was a kid my mom would buy us pieces of sugar cane to gnaw on. I haven't seen those for sale in a long time. However, when I was in Toronto my friends (from the Caribbean) bought me fresh cane juice which I was afraid to try believing it would be sickeningly sweet. I watched as the guy ground the cane through a machine under his own power (he had beautiful muscles) and then gave me my cup of juice. It was WONDERFUL! Very light and refreshing. It's like the difference between Mrs. Buttersworth and real maple syrup (only of course more like a flavored water).

          Cane sugar is not just processed through the bone char (which technically makes it not vegan) or charcoal but has much of the nutrients removed which gives us the by-product of molasses which does have a lot of healthy nutrients including iron and calcium in black-strap version which is what gives gingerbread part of it's distinctive flavor along with ginger but molasses cookies and shoofly pie can be yummy too..

          The third boiling of the sugar syrup gives blackstrap molasses. The majority of sucrose from the original juice has been crystallized but blackstrap molasses is still mostly sugar by calories[1]; however, unlike refined sugars, it contains significant amounts of vitamins and minerals. Blackstrap molasses is a source of calcium, magnesium, potassium and iron. One tablespoon provides up to 20 percent of the daily value of each of those nutrients.[2][3] Blackstrap is often sold as a health supplement, as well as being used in the manufacture of cattle feed, and for other industrial uses.

          [emphasis added]

          Oh and molasses isn't as slothful as the idiom, slow as molasses in January since it can actually reach speeds of at least 35mph.

          Brown sugar usually just has some molasses added back in and dark brown sugar just has a bit more than light brown but neither has so much that it's a lot healthier (though better flavor -- I did used to eat it straight though not a bunch)

          Brown sugars come from the late stages of sugar refining, when sugar forms fine crystals with significant molasses-content, or from coating white refined sugar with a cane molasses syrup. Their color and taste become stronger with increasing molasses-content, as do their moisture-retaining properties. Brown sugars also tend to harden if exposed to the atmosphere, although proper handling can reverse this

          World's Healthiest Foods site defines it further:

          Evaporated cane juice is a healthy alternative to refined sugar. While both sweetners are made from sugar cane, evaporated cane juice does not undergo the same degree of processing that refined sugar does. Therefore, unlike refined sugar, it retains more of the nutrients found in sugar cane. Cane juice is available throughout the year.

          ...

          It may also be known by a variety of other names including dried cane juice, crystallized cane juice, milled cane sugar and direct consumption sugar. In Europe it is known as "unrefined sugar".

          Evaporated cane juice is available in a variety of forms that vary in texture and flavor, although they share the characteristic of being darker in color than white refined sugar:

          • Milled Cane: small grained crystals with a golden color and subtle molasses flavor
          • Demerara: coarser grained, slightly sticky crystals that feature a noticeable molasses flavor
          • Muscovado: very fine crystal sugar that has a very distinctive molasses flavor.

          Although not technically considered an evaporated cane juice, raspadura (also known as rapadura or panela) is another alternative natural cane sugar that has its traditional roots in Latin American countries. Rapadura undergoes even simpler processing than evaporated cane juice with the sugar cane being simply boiled to remove its water content.

          One source says this about evaporated cane sugar:

          "Evaporated organic cane juice" is just that--the juice of the same sugar cane used to make refined white sugar, but in it's whole, natural state. Only the water is removed. As a whole food it still retains its vitamins and minerals. It also retains its natural balance of sucrose, glucose, and fructose instead of being straight sucrose. This is a dark brown sugar that contains molasses and has a slight caramel flavor.

          ...

          These natural cane sugars processed "low-tech" contain components essential for their digestion and are metabolized more slowly than white sugar.

          Mais, la souris est en dessous la table, le chat est sur la chaise et le singe est... est... le singe est disparu! -- Eddie Izzard

          by CSI Bentonville on Mon Jul 09, 2007 at 12:44:11 AM PDT

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          •  I hope you do write a diary (1+ / 0-)

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            as it is, this lovely and informative comment won't get the visibility it deserves since the diary's less popular than day old bread at this point (love the short lifespan everything has in the blog world, don't ya?)

            And I hope if you write this up as a diary that everyone reads it. You've got good stuff here.

          •  Wow! (1+ / 0-)

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            I didn't realize. Please forgive me.

            Do you know about Dr. Enuf? It is the only softdrink I know of that uses cane syrup instead of corn syrup as the sweetener. And it certainly tastes much better!

            Dr. Enuf Website

            I go forth to make new demands on life. Do something that is worthy of it and me. May I dare as I have never done! May I persevere as I have never done!-HDT

            by Democrat on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:13:29 AM PDT

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  •  Okay my last diary is about good chocolates (11+ / 0-)

    Talks about several brands of good chocolate and how to find them and more about them.

    And from another comment of mine regarding sweet "healthy" snack:

    Check out Tofutti's Cuties line for corn.

    Water, Sugar, High Fructose Corn Sweeteners, Corn Oil, Soy Protein, Vanilla, Tofu, Cocoa Butter, Soy Lecithin, Guar Seed Gum, Carrageenan, Carob Bean Gum, Salt

    Chocolate Wafer: Unbleached Wheat Flour, Sugar, Carmel Color, Corn Sugar, Soybean Oil, Vanilla, Yellow Corn Flour, Corn Syrup, Cocao, Modified Corn Starch, Salt, Baking Soda, Vegetable Mono and Diglycerideds, Soy Lecithin.

    [emphasis added to subsidized commodities]

    So what you have is food being made to what's subsidized and we are being convinced it's healthy and good for us and what we want, and all those ingredients are grown likely as GE/GMO highly fertilized with other chemicals as pesticides and such at the benefit of other companies as Monsanto.

    As Orangeclouds115 wrote about my very own daughter:

    I'm a bit of a health nut, so I was surprised when I bought Tofutti ice cream sandwiches and I read the ingredients - all corn and soy. Amazed, I showed the label to a friend and her daughter. Her daughter said "There shouldn't be that much corn in anything except... corn!"

    I can't make my daughter understand that "Healthier" does *NOT* mean healthy.

    ~~~~

    Somewhere I read the last couple weeks that the labels are often wrong too when it comes to nutrients such as vitamins and not on the plus side.

    Meanwhile the studies are showing the organic crops are much higher in nutrients (flavor I think is an indicator) so if that's what we really want then local and sustainable should be our goals. I fully believe when we are craving something it's because of a lack of some nutrient we aren't getting from the corporate, highly subsidized and processed commodity foods.

    Mais, la souris est en dessous la table, le chat est sur la chaise et le singe est... est... le singe est disparu! -- Eddie Izzard

    by CSI Bentonville on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 04:20:08 PM PDT

    •  "healthier" (3+ / 0-)

      I can't make my daughter understand that "Healthier" does NOT mean healthy.

      A "D" grade is better than an "F" in school, but that doesn't mean it's a good grade.

      Very interesting that organic crops are higher in nutrients. It makes perfect sense, of course. -- No nasty chemicals, more nutrients, and they taste better. Damn near PERFECT.

      •  Oh gosh! That one too! (3+ / 0-)

        Can't get that one through to her either!

        A "D" grade is better than an "F" in school, but that doesn't mean it's a good grade.

        Here's the info on organic. It makes sense but it's taken me a bit to "process" it and absorb the info. It has to do with the plant needs to work harder so it sends out deeper roots and picks up a bunch of other good stuff along the way rather than just sucking up the easier one nutrient nitrogen petro-based fertilizers give it.

        Organic fruits and vegetables work harder for their nutrients
        Produce has been losing vitamins and minerals over the past half-century
        Deborah K. Rich, Special to The Chronicle
        Saturday, March 25, 2006

        Here's another on tomatoes.

        Mais, la souris est en dessous la table, le chat est sur la chaise et le singe est... est... le singe est disparu! -- Eddie Izzard

        by CSI Bentonville on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 04:44:40 PM PDT

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        •  oh gosh! (1+ / 0-)

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          I'm laughing bc I've met her. Next time you get really frustrated just say to her "Dasi ni!" She'll get it (I think... never really got her chatting in Chinese.)

          Tones are third tone for all words, which means the first turns into a 2nd tone, e.g., da2si3 ni3 - if all these years as the mother of a Chinese student has taught you tone pronunciation.

  •  Cantaloupes are heavenly (5+ / 0-)

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