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Progressivism Post 9/11

Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 10:16:54 AM PDT

American progressives have a problem in the post 9/11 world and that problem is how we deal with terrorism. To a lesser extent than in 2004, when Karl Rove and the Bush team successfully painted John Kerry as "weak" when it came to dealing with national security, terrorism will still be on the minds of many American voters when they go the polls to select our next president.  We know this to be true not from polls, though polls there are, but because the sad reality is that, no matter who is elected next November, they will be forced to deal with the foreign policy of George W. Bush. With our reputation tainted abroad and our troops bogged down in the mountains of Afghanistan and the deadly streets of Iraq, decisions need to be made. But what kind of decisions do we, as progressives, hope are made?

In an article in Foreign Affairs this month, Barack Obama outlines his foreign policy views and begins his essay by reminding voters of the policies of some of the Democratic Party's past presidents.

At moments of great peril in the last century, American leaders such as Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and John F. Kennedy managed both to protect the American people and to expand opportunity for the next generation. What is more, they ensured that America, by deed and example, led and lifted the world -- that we stood for and fought for the freedoms sought by billions of people beyond our borders.

As Roosevelt built the most formidable military the world had ever seen, his Four Freedoms gave purpose to our struggle against fascism. Truman championed a bold new architecture to respond to the Soviet threat -- one that paired military strength with the Marshall Plan and helped secure the peace and well-being of nations around the world. As colonialism crumbled and the Soviet Union achieved effective nuclear parity, Kennedy modernized our military doctrine, strengthened our conventional forces, and created the Peace Corps and the Alliance for Progress. They used our strengths to show people everywhere America at its best.

Obama's decision to remind voters of these Democratic icons is clear: he, and some of the other Democrats currently running for president, are not going to tolerate being labeled as the isolationist/waive the white flag party of John Kerry and Howard Dean. We all know, of course, that neither Kerry nor Dean had that foreign policy strategy in mind. However, they were branded with that label by the Republican campaign and it stuck. Well, not on Obama's watch.

In fact, Obama is making it quite clear that he believes the opposite:

After thousands of lives lost and billions of dollars spent, many Americans may be tempted to turn inward and cede our leadership in world affairs. But this is a mistake we must not make. America cannot meet the threats of this century alone, and the world cannot meet them without America. We can neither retreat from the world nor try to bully it into submission. We must lead the world, by deed and by example.

Such leadership demands that we retrieve a fundamental insight of Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy -- one that is truer now than ever before: the security and well-being of each and every American depend on the security and well-being of those who live beyond our borders. The mission of the United States is to provide global leadership grounded in the understanding that the world shares a common security and a common humanity.

Had I not known better, I could have imagined lines like this being taken from the 1961 Inaugural Address of John F. Kennedy in which he said:

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge—and more.

Kennedy was talking about defending liberty in the face of communism. Obama and his fellow Democratic candidates are talking about defending it from terrorism. Is this ok?

I will never forget, nor will many Americans, where I was on 9/11. It is a moment I will tell my children and grandchildren about for sure. But when I am telling that story, and after I am done telling them of crashing planes and falling buildings, what else will I tell them? How will I respond to, "Daddy, what did we do next?"

As of now, what we did next is this: we invaded Afghanistan with widespread international support. Once we were there, we routed the Taliban and its sympathetic government, destroyed al-Qaeda training camps, and hunted for the man who was responsible for the attack on our country. Much of that happened in 2002. It is 2007. We are still there.

From Afghanistan, we went to Iraq. Everyone knows what happened from there.

But this is where it becomes difficult for progressives. Most of us were angry in the aftermath of 9/11 and understood that the US needed to respond. Only one member of Congress voted against the authorization of force in Afghanistan. One. We felt that we needed to get the job done, eliminate those who had attacked us, and return home. When the President tried to connect 9/11 with Iraq, most of us did not buy it and we opposed the Iraq War. We are still opposing the Iraq War.

By now, almost all Americans have grown tired of our misadventure in Iraq and want to bring the troops home. But, like Korea, Afghanistan has become a forgotten war. Poll after poll is taken about the Iraq War, but what says the voters on Afghanistan?

It's hard to tell. But once again, we look to our presidential candidates for understanding. In a speech delivered today in Washington, Obama outlined his counter-terrorism strategy.

By refusing to end the war in Iraq, President Bush is giving the terrorists what they really want, and what the Congress voted to give them in 2002: a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences...

When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.

So the question we need to ask is this: is Obama pandering to those who say he is naive by taking the toughest Democratic stance of the campaign on terrorism or are progressives truly hawkish when it comes to fighting the War on Terror?

John Edwards recently called the War on Terror a "bumper sticker slogan" as opposed to a strategy and seems to indicate he does not believe there is, or needs to be, a global war against terrorists.

This is the fight within the progressive community - after spending billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and destroying our reputation abroad, do we really need to keep fighting or is it time to "Come home, America" as George McGovern famously said during Vietnam. This question will play out for the next six months and beyond and perhaps we will never know the right answer until I am telling my grandchildren the story in forty years.

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  •  There is nothing progressive about imperialism. (1+ / 0-)

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    Bring the troops home to defend their own soil, and the guerrilla warfare against the U.S. will stop. The money saved could be used for something that actually benefits mankind, like medical care and education.

    No gods, no masters.

  •  Good Diary ... (3+ / 0-)

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    Foreign policy is difficult to discuss because - aside from getting out of Iraq and not going to war with Iran - progressives (that is, liberals and those of us further to the left) often don't have the same goals (although we sometimes do, as, say, in Darfur). Moreover, we don't have the same analysis, although there is considerable overlap.

    This is nothing new obviously; it's essentially where we were during the Vietnam era.

    Scroll forward.

    You've spoken about Obama. So lemme switch to Senator Clinton. Is she really just an updated 21st Century version of a Cold War liberal? What of the others who are likely to be the Nominee? And how do their views translate when answering the question you raise and that digby raises today in a post at Hullaballoo: "But at some point, this country is going to have to look at Islamic fundamentalism and try to actually figure out how to deal with it."

    For some on the left, the answer seems to be that Islamic fundamentalism is purely blowback that would disappear if the imperial hegemonists were to be curbed.

    While the rest of us on the left take a less sanguine view, how can we express ourselves in favor of a foreign policy that deals effectively with the violent behavior of Islamic extremists (and the retrograde social views of many of the societies in which they operate) without contributing ammunition or cover for the hegemonists?

    In the short term, how do we get Edwards, Obama, Clinton et al. - the Democratic Party - to engage in a real foreign policy discussion rather than the silly sideshow of whether a new president should phone up Kim Jong-il and Castro for a tete-a-tete come January 2009?

    How do we get them even to place into the discussion the entire panoply of umbrella issues that need so desperately to be discussed, starting with a focus on the military-industrial-congressional complex that was first described nearly half a century ago? If we can't openly talk about these things without being caught in the snare and delusion of shallowness that the megamedia drives all such discussions toward, how in hell can we possibly make changes?

    As myers notes in the comments thread at Hullaballoo: "The one common theme - narrative, that has been constant in my 54 tears, is the one which discourages any kind of restraint when it comes to the use of military force. This has been true regardless of the big lie, left-right binary code that our politics and policy is pounded into ,like so many square pegs in round holes."

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 10:19:54 AM PDT

    •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

      it is certainly very hard to juggle in between between progressive and wanting to revert to isolationism in an effort to protect our own and make progress while at the same time understand our place in world history.

    •  a good answer to this one (1+ / 0-)

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      would qualify you for a Nobel Peace Prize.

      how can we express ourselves in favor of a foreign policy that deals effectively with the violent behavior of Islamic extremists (and the retrograde social views of many of the societies in which they operate) without contributing ammunition or cover for the hegemonists?

      In the name of "stability" the US supports anti-democratic authoritarian governments all through the middle east, based on the assumption that the Islamists would be worse. I don't think that's very progressive, nor sustainable in the long term. I would like to see elections held in those countries and accept the risk that the new govt might be less pro-US. But as you say, those govts would probably have very offensive social views.

      "Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war" - John Adams

      by esquimaux on Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 11:07:02 AM PDT

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    •  Short answer: You can't. (0+ / 0-)

      Long answer:

      While the rest of us on the left take a less sanguine view, how can we express ourselves in favor of a foreign policy that deals effectively with the violent behavior of Islamic extremists (and the retrograde social views of many of the societies in which they operate) without contributing ammunition or cover for the hegemonists?

      Has this ever been a problem outside of the context of responding to Western invasion and occupation of the region? Isn't Western military policy in the region a source of far more violence?

      Suppose Arab troops were occupying a Western nation (let's say the U.S.), with close to a million civilians dead, and the predictable guerrilla war of resistance killing occupying troops at every opportunity. And then the Arab-language press ponders the question of how to withdraw without first dealing with the violence endemic to North America, committed by American zealots. "Obviously, there will be a bloodbath, and they will just follow us home and kill us in our beds. Better to finish the job properly and civilize the savage Christians. Then the world will be safer."

      Are you really swallowing this line?

      No gods, no masters.

      •  You're talking about Iraq ... (0+ / 0-)

        ...I'm talking about the much broader issue of extremists who kill and seek to subjugate more Muslims than infidels with their special brand of distorted Islam.

        I presume that you're not putting those words in quotation marks in my mouth, because they're the opposite of what I've been saying since the parameters of post-withdrawal Iraq was first raised two years ago.

        We on the left need a - excuse the cliche - shift in the paradigm of U.S. foreign policy that rejects hegemonic imperialism, but we cannot and should not ignore the very real threat posed by bin Laden and his ideological cousins. Merely pulling out of Iraq, which we should do, and dealing with the Palestinian-Israeli conundrum, which we should do, and backing off from confrontation with Iran, which we should do, does not mean that there won't still be extremists who seek to run the world in their image and are persuading large numbers of people that they're right.  

        I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

        by Meteor Blades on Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 11:44:50 AM PDT

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        •  No, the quotation marks were meant to be (0+ / 0-)

          a hypothetical paraphrasing of what might be said by the other side if the positions were reversed.

          I understand your concern, but to repeat my question, has this violent fundamentalism been a problem outside of the context of Western imperialism? Don't you think that any violent movement will have a great deal of trouble recruiting people and influencing the public when the occupier has left their countries? Do you think that 9/11 was likely to have occurred without the presence of thousands of U.S. troops on Saudi soil? Isn't this up to the people of the region to resolve (all of whom seem to want us to leave)? Aren't you helping to keep us in the role of the "world's policeman"? (disclaimer: quotes here do not indicate words attributed to MB.  : )   )

          •  I am (and have been for ages) doing my ... (0+ / 0-)

            ...little part stop the U.S. from being the world's policeman and put that role firmly into the hands of international bodies, as was supposed to be the U.N.'s job, according to the charter the U.S. not only signed, but also retty much wrote.

            However, the situation is more complex than simply "western imperialism," though I would be the last to downplay its pernicious effects in the Middle East (and, of course, elsewhere). This is why I think we need a comprehensive foreign policy discussion that many people - particularly high-level Democrats - seem to want to shy away from except on the shallowest of terms.

            That discussion, it seems to me, would be about about how we get from where we are to where we want to do while not engaging in, or encouraging, or enabling violence and subjugation - nor opening ourselves (and other citizens of the world) to either.

            I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

            by Meteor Blades on Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 12:28:11 PM PDT

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  •  too many questions here (1+ / 0-)

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    • I'm not sure how many "progressives" are very hawkish, but certainly too many Democrats are. Americans have a streak of knee-jerk Ramboism and aren't happy with mere self-defense, they want to retaliate and get revenge.
    • I HATE the "War on Terror" slogan and would like Democrats to reframe this as "defense against terror".

    from Obama above:

    take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.

    "take out the terrorists" sucks. I do not accept America's right to attack anybody anywhere on suspicion of being a "terrorist". What we need is smart police and intelligence work to stay aware of potential troublemakers and keep them out of America. And lose that damn word "homeland"! Say America or the United States, or "our country".  

    "Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war" - John Adams

    by esquimaux on Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 10:40:58 AM PDT

  •  This diary does an excellent job. . . (0+ / 0-)

    boosting your preferred candidate without unreasonably attacking others.  More importantly, it boosts the issue and the question, what is a progressive foreign policy?  Without a serious divergence from what exists now by his successor, Bush will end up remembered as a near-great President, like Truman.  I wish there were more discourse like this on dkos.

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