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Obama's New Direct Answer to "Black Enough"

Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 12:47:01 PM PDT

Obama's appearance on Friday at the National Association of Black Journalists sparked one of the most interesting question and answer sessions in a long time, with Obama addressing tensions between the black and hispanic communities, arguing for a broader engagement with Africa, and answering questions about his chances as an African-American candidate.  Obama gave his most detailed and thoughtful treatment of the problem of race in America in a long time.  

I posted my own unedited transcription of the most interesting sections of the Q and A session on My.BarackObama.com here, and you can also listen to a full audio recording of the event here.  This diary is cross-posted at MyDD(where I'm a regular poster).

Calling for a broader engagement with Africa:

On Darfur, he cited instituting a no-fly zone as the bare minimum we can do, along with supporting the UN peacekeeping troops who will be there on the ground, "in preventing increased bloodshed as we try to initiate broader peace-talks between the rebel groups and the government in Khartoum."  But he pivoted to knock the ball out of the park by making a much broader point about America's role in Africa:

Last point I would make, we've got problems like this all throughout Sub-Saharan Africa.  And we can't wait until the genocide's taking place before we engage Africa.  We've got to have an Africa policy that is active, that is involved, that is engaged, that is dealing with the health care infrastructure, that is dealing with the educational infrastructure, that is expanding trade opportunities for African nations and that is holding African nations accountable for rule of law, anti-corruption measures and so forth.  Because if we're not a partner with Africa and we just wait until all heck breaks loose, then we're never going to have enough troops.

And keep in mind, as tragic as what happened in Darfur is, we've had millions of people die in the Congo in the last six years.  And if you asked the average American, they wouldn't know a thing about it.  And that is a consequence of us not being consistently engaged and we've got to understand it's not just a charity or a humanitarian issue, it is also a security issue, because if you've got chaos and anarchy in Africa, terrorists will find a way to exploit that chaos and anarchy, that's where they're going to be based, that's where they're going to recruit and we're going to have increased problems in years to come.



Obama further explored what he imagines he could accomplish for American politics that no other candidate in the field can.  I'll address this answer for my first front-page post on MyDD as a candidate blogger on Wednesday, but for the moment I'd like to turn to two questions asked towards the end of the forum: about Obama's chances as an African-American candidate and for the potential to change the racial dynamic in the United States if he became president.

First, a question was asked about what kind of national conversation about race Obama would like to start as president and what impact his election might have on race in America.  Obama responded by saying first of all that his election would change the way America looks at itself, focusing on the imagery of his own children playing on the lawn of the White House:

As President, obviously the day I'm inaugurated, the racial dynamics in this country will change to some degree.  You've got Michelle as first lady and Malia and Sasha running around on the South Lawn.  

That changes how America looks at itself.  It changes how white children think about black children, and it changes how black children think about black children.

But then he went on to describe the kind of conversation he would like to see about race in America: a meaningful conversation about the ways we can reduce the effects of racial profiling and address the needs of under-served minority communities, as well as fight inequality in the criminal justice system and the job market.

And I think that there is then an opportunity to have a broader conversation.  But I'm more interested in us talking about action instead of us talking about talk.  I'm sympathetic to efforts to have a racial conversation in this country, but I find that generally there's a lot of breast-beating and hand-wringing and then not much follow-through.

And so the kind of conversation that I'm interested in having about race is very concrete.  Do we have a criminal justice system that is color-blind.  If we do not, how do we fix it?  And that is a conversation that as president I would like to initiate.  

If we know that  the rates of drug use are comparable between African-Americans and whites, and yet the arrest record, the conviction, the prison terms --- all that is skewed in one direction --- that's something we should do something about.  That violates the essential tenants of what this country was founded on.

I want to have a very specific conversation about the achievement gap, because I know every child can learn, but if we're not investing in early childhood education, if we go to areas of South Carolina that they call the "Corridor of Shame," because school buildings were built right after the civil war and our children are still trying to learning these buildings, that's a concrete conversation we should have.

Finally, Obama was asked a very personal question about where it derives his belief that America is ready for a black president.  As a CNN correspondent describes it, a hush fell over the room:

The room fell eerily silent. The barrage of camera shutters tapered off quickly. The cavernous ballroom was standing room only, a stark contrast to Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York, who spoke to a half-filled room.

Previously, as the CNN correspondent pointed out, Obama has answered this question with a joke about trying to catch a cab:

But that was hardly his answer Friday afternoon.

Instead - for the first time in more detail that I've ever seen - Obama took the opportunity to get at what he considers the heart of the matter, actually demanding that black journalists themselves are to blame for missing the point. Skin color, his record in public service, the issues - none of this suggests he's not `black enough' and yet questions over his blackness persist, he put to the crowd of black journalists.

It's "puzzling," he said. Why is this?

But the question was rhetorical. Professor Obama then stepped onto the stage, answering his own question, and suggesting that perhaps the real issue is a basic mistrust in black America of a black candidate.

"What it really does is really lay bare, I think, that we're still locked in this notion that if you appeal to white folks then there must be something wrong," he said, adding it's the same sort of suspicion many blacks face when they attend a predominately white Ivy League institution.

And that's when he issued this provocative challenge: Instead of asking Obama if he's black enough, black journalists should dig deeper, and ask why there exists this mistrust in black America of a black man like Obama running for office?

Bottom line: Obama nailed it. The question of his blackness has always been a ridiculous one. And maybe now he won't have to answer it again.

Here is my own transcript of Obama's answer to the question:

I interact with people in very unlikely places --- small farm towns in Iowa or old mill towns in New Hampshire --- and my strong impression is that people will vote for me if they believe that I can help them live out their dreams and achieve their hopes.  If I lose this election, I don't believe it'll be because of race.  It'll be because the country makes a determination that either Barack's not projecting the kind of vision we want for the country or we don't think he can deliver on the promises he's making.

Does that mean that there are going to be people who don't vote for me because I'm African-American? Absolutely.  But I think that is a relatively small percentage of the country, and I think that most of them probably wouldn't vote for me because of my political philosophy anyway.  So those aren't votes that I think John Edwards would get, and those aren't votes that Hillary Clinton would get.

But look, this is part of the risk that I'm taking.  But it pales in comparison to the risk that folks on the Edmund Petus bridge were taking, it pales in comparison to the risks that abolitionists were taking, their achievements were far more unlikely.  And yet they said to themselves that if we act, if we are willing to take risks, then change may come about.

And I'm always humbled by their sacrifice.  The worse that happens to me is folks call me some names in the newspapers and I lose, and that's a relatively modest risk.

The one thing that I think has been interesting in the dynamic of the campaign so far is it has said so far more about attitudes within the African-American community than in the larger community.  And so, since this is the NABJ, I do want to address that directly.  I made a joke at the beginning about this whole question of:  Is he black enough?  This is a puzzling question.  And the fact that it's been perpetrated through our press I think is interesting.  We should ask ourselves why that is.

It's not because of my physical appearance, presumably.  It's not because of my track record.  Because there's nobody in this race who has a stronger track record on the issues that directly pertain to the African-American community.

If there's somebody else out there who has actually passed racial profiling legislation, or actually taken political hits because he voted against crime legislation that created unequal treatment among black and white youth, if there's somebody else out there who has reformed the death penalty or organized in public housing projects, or devoted their entire lives to civil rights, then I could understand why people would ask the question.

So it's not my track record, it's not that I can't give a pretty good speech, from what I heard, I can preach once in a while.

So what it really does lay bare is... I think .... in part, we're still locked in this notion that somehow if you appeal to white folks, then there must be something wrong.  And we're still kind of working that through.  There is some of that is he keeping it real because he went to Harvard issue, which a lot of you in the audience had to deal with and you'd think that we'd be over that by now.  

And part of it has to do with fear --- which is you know what, we don't want to get too excited about the prospects here because we feel like we'll be let down in the end.  My attitude is:  Let's try.  Let's see.   Why defeat ourselves ahead of time?  Why say we can't do something?  Let's take a chance and see if we can.

Now, if there are people here who end up deciding Barack Obama is not the right candidate because he's inexperienced, or I don't like his health care plan, or what have you --- those are perfectly legitimate, because I expect to earn the African-American community's support like I have to earn everybody's support.  And I respect that.  But it certainly shouldn't be because we're confused about our racial identities.  I think that time has passed.  It's time to move forward.

The Associated Press also wrote up an article on Obama's remarks, missing completely however the significance of his comments on race and focusing on his defense of his foreign policy.

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  •  Obama will never be black enough (13+ / 0-)

    until he beats Romney at a rap contest.
    WTF is this crap?
    Is Hillary woman enough?
    Is Romney White enough?
    If Red Truck Freddie bald enough?
    How come none of these Very Serious People never asked if George Bush was smart enough??!?!

  •  Oh and (6+ / 0-)

    welcome to the hateful horde of the Great Orange Satan!

  •  I really don't sense this being an issue (4+ / 0-)

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    on the ground level, just within the media and the black media.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:00:35 PM PDT

  •  That Should Be "Black Enough" For Em! (1+ / 0-)

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    But of course, it won't be.  Because, the real issue lies with those, who continue to ask the question, because they are unable to go beyond the color of a person's skin.

    •  there's also a lot of anger because of (1+ / 0-)

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      "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

      by duha on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:02:44 PM PDT

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    •  C'Mon It's Actually About Mainstream Black (1+ / 0-)

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      cultural experience. His black father was a foreign visitor, his mom's white so he grew up disconnected from most of the legacy of a slavery/jimcrow family.

      Granted he himself certainly experiences all the realtime prejudice in contemporary society.

      Obama himself made it a point of publicly distancing himself from issues and politicking styles many people felt would have moved them a lot farther if not for the massive rightwing attacks on everything liberal.

      Skin color in this context wouldn't have meant much.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:07:07 PM PDT

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  •  It's About Dividing/Discouraging Minority Vote (21+ / 0-)

    If they accept that he's not thoroughly enough engaged in the mainstream Black American experience, they won't support him so strongly.

    There's also an element of driving Obama toward more aggressive pro-classic-civil-rights rhetoric to make him less electable by the mainstream.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:02:47 PM PDT

  •  I hope the primary voters think this through (5+ / 0-)

    It bears repeating:  People who will vote against Obama because he's black will not vote for a Democrat anyway.  So primary voters concerned with "electability," please consider this, before you vote for the only candidate (HRC) who will energize the Republicans and alienate the Independents.

    •  Well people who wont vote for a black president (3+ / 0-)

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      probably wont vote for a woman president either, so they both have the same electability problem.  But I actually think Obama has a better chance because he's only 50% Black while Hillary is 100% women.  

      •  I don't think it's that (3+ / 0-)

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        Clinton has huge unfavorable ratings.  Obama shows dramatic appeal to GOP and Independents, as well as large favorablity from Dems, which Clinton does not quite share.  He polled third in a poll of Iowa Republicans, meaning he beat out well over half of the GOP in a poll of their own faithful.

        Plus, he knows what crapped out means, which will help him explain his condition on the morning of November 5 - PBCliberal

        by Nulwee on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:25:15 PM PDT

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      •  I think it is still easier to elect a (0+ / 0-)

        Black man than a woman to the presidency. We have leaders like Colin Powell in the military, police, fire depts etc that command White males already and have earned their respect under fire. I am a feminist but that is just what I believe right now. I would be happy to be proved wrong and will vote for Hillary if she is our candidate.

        "though we rush ahead to save our time- we are only what we feel" Neil Young- 1968

        by blindyone on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 04:42:26 PM PDT

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  •  Most MSM journalists, reporters and pundits (12+ / 0-)

    try to talk about the black enough issue, and the vast majority of them drip with "I don't really know much about the issue, but I'm going to talk about it as though I do."  

    It's awful.

    Gwen Ifill schooled an MTP panel on this earlier this year.

    And don't get me started on what transpired on the Tucker show this past week.

    I wish that white reporters and pundits in particular who really don't know all that much about it, would at least admit as much.  

    I'm running out of ways to express my frustration at the idiocy of the discussions.

    "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

    by Newsie8200 on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:21:56 PM PDT

  •  Samantha Power at it again (0+ / 0-)

    And we can't wait until the genocide's taking place before we engage Africa.  We've got to have an Africa policy that is active, that is involved, that is engaged, that is dealing with the health care infrastructure, that is dealing with the educational infrastructure, that is expanding trade opportunities for African nations and that is holding African nations accountable for rule of law, anti-corruption measures and so forth.  Because if we're not a partner with Africa and we just wait until all heck breaks loose, then we're never going to have enough troops.

    I suppose this means Obama's allied with those upset Bush the elder didn't "finish the job" in Iraq 15 years ago – the problem isn't with a muscle-bound, neo-colonial interventionist foreign policy but just with the way it's executed.

    Of course, unlike in Darfur, America actually does have legitimate national policy interest in Iraq. Does Darfur have any relevance to American interests at all? This kind of willingness to kowtow to the Wilsonians idealists on foreign policy is the reason I've decided to back Clinton instead of Obama in the last week: better the devil you know is rational than the one you don't.

    •  Though about the "black enough" question (1+ / 0-)

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      It's a very good answer, one that will gain him some more white support and maybe even some more black support, too.

    •  how you went from (9+ / 0-)

      We've got to have an Africa policy that is active, that is involved, that is engaged, that is dealing with the health care infrastructure, that is dealing with the educational infrastructure, that is expanding trade opportunities for African nations and that is holding African nations accountable for rule of law, anti-corruption measures

      to

      allied with those upset Bush the elder didn't "finish the job" in Iraq 15 years ago – the problem isn't with a muscle-bound, neo-colonial interventionist foreign policy but just with the way it's executed.

      is beyond me.

      I didn't know that helping Africa out with health care and education = "muscle-bound"

      "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

      by Newsie8200 on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 02:00:41 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think it's too much of a leap (0+ / 0-)

        to conclude that the basis for a plan for meddlesome interventionism in Africa

        policy that is active, that is involved, that is engaged

        that includes a boilerplate liberal internationalist/neoconservative critique of any American foreign policy failure

        just wait until all heck breaks loose, then we're never going to have enough troops.

        and comes from a campaign which prominently consults human rights interventionism activist Samantha Power, might have applications in places more relevant to the United States than Africa.

        You might read that paragraph and come up with "helping Africa out with health care and education", but that conveniently ignores his threat of using "troops." Troops for what? The U.S. is not the world's policeman.

        •  I think the point is needing a policy (6+ / 0-)

          that engages Africa so that we won't have to send troops down the line.

          BTW, what'd you think of our troops handing out aid packages in areas hit by the Asian tsunami a few years back? The American military under several presidents have been used for purposes other than invading countries or fighting wars.

          "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

          by Newsie8200 on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 02:32:59 PM PDT

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          •  Bad idea. (0+ / 0-)

            Made for good propaganda, but we have no legitimate business providing that kind of aid.

            •  So it's ok to let thousands of people (3+ / 0-)

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              go hungry?  

              And even then, I don't see how you go from Obama to Clinton, or really, how you could support any of the top Dems.  Everyone was pretty much for sending aid to Asian tsunami victims.  Indonesians were happy to receive it, and one poll conducted after our aid was given showed that Indonesians (with a big Muslim population) viewed the US more positively.  Aid is used to win hearts and minds... to avoid fighting wars.

              "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

              by Newsie8200 on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 02:51:29 PM PDT

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              •  As I said (0+ / 0-)

                the devil that's rational.

                I strongly disagree with most of Senator Clinton's foreign policy, but I believe that in most cases it's informed by realist politics and not ideology, whereas Senator Obama has in recent weeks tilted more and more toward the ideological end of the spectrum.

                They may very well have identical responses to any issue that arises once in office, but particularly after this president I don't trust people who say they want to make the world a better place.

                •  If there's one thing that can be said (3+ / 0-)

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                  of all our candidates, it's that they want to make the world a better place.

                  You've set up reasons to oppose the Democratic nominee whoever it may be, not reasons to oppose Obama or support Clinton.

                  "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

                  by Newsie8200 on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 03:07:53 PM PDT

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            •  I think Obama has (2+ / 0-)

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              a personal interest in Africa.  Duh.  Perhaps he needs to make this case better to Americans because we tend to just forget about Africa.  We think it's unimportant.  What can Africa do for us we ask?

              Maybe there is something we don't know about Africa - afterall, it's an f'in continent.  How can it not matter?

              White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

              by nolalily on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 02:53:34 PM PDT

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              •  Well (0+ / 0-)

                I tend to think that we are all that matters to us.

                Africa, its nations, its people and its resources, has great economic potential, but I don't think it's the job of the U.S. government to help it reach that potential, or exploit that potential, or force it from undermining that potential.

                Genocides happen. Poverty happens. Starvation happens. But they aren't our problem unless they're directly affecting our nation.

              •  Nolily You are absolutely correct (1+ / 0-)

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                Mr. Obama stated these places are magnets for terrorist to set up training camps. His sence is that what happens over in poor countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America does affect us here.  He also explained and I am paraphrasing that by providing aid, goodwill and hope to these countries we can stop the spread of terrorist ideology. Have you noticed that places that face extreme poverty and led by fundamentalist regimes are terrorist havens.? I believe he is correct. We can and we must help. The Republican Party is the party of isolationism we are the party of the people and I hope we will help the people in Darfur from being exterminated. I hope we end the spread of infectious diseases like AIDS and Malaria in Africa. Aid doesn’t always  come from the barrel of a gun. (I am quoting someone else) It comes from concern, compassion and goodwill.  It is our duty to help our fellow human beings. It is what makes America great.

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                by shanay on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 03:24:09 PM PDT

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              •  Also (2+ / 0-)

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                I'm African-born; I can tell you that China IS ALL OVER Africa right now, providing abundant aid in various industries (Infrastructure, Oil and Energy exploration, Telecom, Farming etc) in return for Africa's many treasures and mineral resources. For example there is a Rice farming exchange program the Chinese are providing Nigeria in return for expansive 'Sweet-Crude' Oil Blocks given to them by the Nigerian Government at favorable rates.

                The Chinese are investing in African stock Markets where the Return on Investment Rates (ROR) can be as high as 35%. African Governments don't care much for the Human rights travesties of the Chinese, so it's easy for African Governments to make deals with the Chinese. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you see it) the US has ideals and won't meddle with any country that violates basic human rights.

                The Chinese have invested over 250 billion Dollars in Africa over the last 5 years alone and are reaping the benefits big time. There are "China-Towns" popping up all over Africa every month.

                If America wants to stay competitive with the Chinese in the global markets, If America wants to remain the worlds only super power (if in fact they are) then they're going to have to wake up, because the Chinese have turned the corner on the Worlds next economic frontier : Africa

                Open your eyes....

        •  Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti .... (3+ / 0-)

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          Yep, Clinton's a logical alternative for people who aren't into limited use of military forces for humanitarian interventions.

  •  I attended his Town Hall in Las Vegas (16+ / 0-)

    yesterday. The diversity in the audience was something we all noticed and spoke to each other about. The Senator even mentioned it because it was so different than Iowa, NH and South Carolina where he has conducted Town Halls. We had black & white, Latinos and Asians, able and disable, young and old -- the audience represented America. He's bringing this country together in a time that we are longing for an end to division.

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    by LV Pol Girl on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:43:34 PM PDT

  •  I think his wife will help him a lot (8+ / 0-)

    As soon as black women see that a good looking super successful multiracial man, who could have married any white woman he wanted, instead chose to marry a black woman and have black children, his poll numbers among blacks will shoot up (and his poll numbers among blacks are actually quite good already considering the brilliant PR job Bill Clinton did with the black community; Bill put his office space in Harlem and was called the first black president metaphorically speaking).  Right now blacks don't trust him because he's a multiracial who appeals to many whites and because they're still loyal to Bill Clinton and by extention his wife; but I predict that when all is said and done, Obama will not only win the black vote, but win it by a land slide.  

    •  I've always predicted the same---- (4+ / 0-)

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      and note that the trend lines are heading that way.  I can't link to the poll, but I read today in another diary that it has gone from 60/20 Hillary to about even now. (support in African-American community)
       And I also think that Obama, more than any other of our candidates, has appeal across the board.  People----of all stripes--- like him and believe him and are ready for his ideas for change.

    •  WTF? (0+ / 0-)

      It's no secret that he's married to a black woman.  You make it sound like he gave up something by doing so.

      He is, and will continue to be, judged on his merits by the majority of black people.  

      Your post is highly offensive.

      •  Sorry I watch too many Spike Lee movies (0+ / 0-)

        In the movie JUNGLE FEVER there's an extremely famous and improvised scene where a group of African-American women complain about how typical it is for successful black men to marry white women as a sort of status symbol and they viewed it as an insult to black women.

        So by extention I just assumed that Obama's decision to marry a black woman would be viewed as a complement to black women, especially given that he's half white and still prefers black women.

        I didn't mean to imply that he was giving anything up by marrying a black woman,  but rather that it might be viewed as a refreshing change from the stereotype of successful African American men marrying white.

        But yes, I can see how this idea might be very offensive and very ignorant so I apologize.  

        •  Random Tangent (1+ / 0-)

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          Do you know Barack and Michelle went to go see "Do the Right Thing" on their first date?

        •  hey (2+ / 0-)

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          I sorta agree with your line of thinking here.
          My ex-girlfriend who is an African American was over-joyed that Barack was married to a Black Woman. Not that it's a compliment to Michelle that Barack would marry her - Michelle is as accomplished (Princeton, Harvard Law, VP at Chicago Hospitals) as Barack himself - but because there are a lot of successful black men who end up marrying white women as they climb up the social ladder.

          Approx. 50% of NBA Players are married to white women (just Google "nba player wives" for proof). Ask anyone intimate with NBA social circles.

          However it's no big deal to me that Barack is married to a Black woman, but it's a big deal to many black women that Barack, like Samuel L Jackson, Denzel Washington, Bill Cosby etc, is married to a black woman.

          Read "Dreams from My Father" in it Barack talks about the White woman (from an aristocratic upstate New York family) that he dated and fell in love with (while at Columbia), but things just did not work out between them.

          so Michelle it is....

      •  Would you disagree that, at this point (1+ / 0-)

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        in our nation's history, a White wife would be a deal breaker with many White, as well as Black, voters? Michelle Obama is no trophy wife. She was successful and accomplished before she became involved with Obama. She would be a fantastic representative of this country around the world. Already, there are many, especially older folks, who see the Obamas as the new JFK and Jacqueline.

        "though we rush ahead to save our time- we are only what we feel" Neil Young- 1968

        by blindyone on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 04:51:33 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry, rapcetera, I was typing and (0+ / 0-)

          replying to a comment above. I agree with you, I've heard positive comments about Michelle being Black. I still think people on this site don't realize how many voters are still tuned out and Hillary Clinton becomes the default choice of low info voters who don't want to look dumb to pollsters. They know that there is some young Black guy with a funny name running but probably many couldn't spell his name. I think there are some who don't know the difference between John Edwards and John Roberts. Michelle sure went over well with the crowd of young women in the Oprah audience when she appeared there with her husband.

          "though we rush ahead to save our time- we are only what we feel" Neil Young- 1968

          by blindyone on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 05:08:34 PM PDT

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        •  Can you imagine how revolutionary (3+ / 0-)

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          it would be if he got elected; just simply from a symbolic perspective.  An African-American president and a black first lady.  It would revolutionize the way blacks are viewed around the world and in America and it would revolutionize the way black kids felt about their future possibilities.  I know there's already been 2 African-American secretary of states but that's not even in the same galaxy as an African-American president.  A brilliant and progressive African American who became president of the United States would not just change the world, but revolutionize it.

        •  yup, I agree (1+ / 0-)

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  •  Thanks for an inciteful (8+ / 0-)

    glimpse of Mr. Obama and the way he thinks.  He is a good psychologist and searches much deeper than most for the cause of any particular problem.  We have a history of Presidents who have this knowledge and some, like our current one, who have no clue.  Our worst legislation is written by those who are lacking incite into the long range effects of those policies.  I trust Mr. Obama because I believe he has a fairly accurate "crystal ball" that's developed from years of observation, application and correction.

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:56:37 PM PDT

  •  By the way RECOMMENDED. n/t (5+ / 0-)

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    theark, LV Pol Girl, dotster, jalenth

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 01:59:27 PM PDT

  •  Great Diary (1+ / 0-)

    thanks and recommended.

    "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

    by ParaHammer on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 02:20:34 PM PDT

  •  Obama is doing everyone a favor (5+ / 0-)

    by opening up all these difficult issues for discussion.  The distrust of an educated black man who is supposedly trying to be white.  That is difficult stuff.  Still more difficult though is white racism.  Is black rejection (or distrust) related to white racism or the expectation that if he seems really "black," he will lose white support?   Probably the hardest thing to overcome is people's reluctance to even discuss these questions or acknowledge these problems.  It was so interesting to see the candidates submit to be grilled on "gay issues," but it would be even more interesting to see a candidates' forum on racism.  I think Obama has to walk a fine line.  Is there anyone out there saying Hillary Clinton is not black enough, or Dennis Kucinich?  Who is being asked to submit their "race" credentials besides Obama?  It's a little like asking Hillary to prove she is man enough, and at the same time woman enough.  

  •  Thanks for the diary, I listened (8+ / 0-)

    to the whole pod-cast and I was rivetted by his intelligence, candor and straightforwardness... I usually can not bear to listen to candidates for more than a couple of minutes. I could listen to this man talk for longer than a half hour !

    All I can say is, what a refreshing change.

    Free Don Seigelman, jail Karl Rove ~ mission halfway accomplished !

    by Dvalkure on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 02:35:04 PM PDT

  •  Charlie Brown and the Football (12+ / 0-)

    Most folks have seen the many "Charlie Brown" comics in which Lucy Van Pelt tees up a football for him to kick and each time, as he runs toward it, she pulls it away and he lands up flat on his back again.

    Black Americans have been asked to believe time and time again but the football has been pulled away...

    The experiences of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X obviously cast a long shadow.

    So does the experience of Jesse Jackson in 1988 when he became the last candidate standing between Michael Dukakis and the nomination, and that's when the MSM knives came out (Jackson also made problems for himself with a comment to a reporter referring to New York City as "Hymietown," which the media went nuts over and was embarrassing to many of those that had made the "leap of faith" to support him.")

    There is a legitimate aprehension, based on lived experience, that a black man can only rise so high before he gets cut down (literally or politically) and also worry, with someone not yet known well, that he might make errors that turn "hope" into "despair").

    To make the decision to choose "the candidate of hope" has somewhat more emotional consequence than choosing any run-of-the-mill candidate. One senses that one's expectations will rise. It's not unlike a dating process: the more you believe, the bigger the crash if it doesn't work out.

    The hesitancy is normal and part of the process. At this point in the calendar, it artificially lowers Obama's poll numbers. But by the time the primaries roll around, the sale is going to be made, precisely because of moments like yesterday when the candidate shows, again and again, that he's not going to yank that football away and he damn sure isn't letting anyone else do it.

    Nobody has died as a result of this comment.

    by viralvoice on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 02:35:44 PM PDT

    •  Thank you for explaining (2+ / 0-)

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      some of the "nuance" of black support or lack thereof for Obama at this point, notwithstanding agreement or disagreement  with his campaign platform.  The mainstream media and sites like DKos just don't get it, and it pisses me off when they assume that they do.

    •  Investments--especially emotional ones-- (5+ / 0-)

      always involve some risk. But the potential payoff is what makes them worthwhile. I want to thank the diarist for transcribing and posting the following words, which gave me chills and cut right to the heart of the matter:

      But look, this is part of the risk that I'm taking.  But it pales in comparison to the risk that folks on the Edmund Petus bridge were taking, it pales in comparison to the risks that abolitionists were taking, their achievements were far more unlikely.  And yet they said to themselves that if we act, if we are willing to take risks, then change may come about.

      "My heart is filled with love for this country." -Barack Obama, final line in The Audacity of Hope

      by a night owl on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 03:19:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Nice for a fiirst diary, psericks (2+ / 0-)

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    Keep 'em comin'!

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 03:03:33 PM PDT

  •  This is one of the more insightful (1+ / 0-)

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    nolalily

    discussions on race that I have ever read on Daily Kos.  Right after Obama announced there were comments here by some of his young supporters that assumed that all Black people would just line up behind him. They were often coupled with disparagements of old war horses in the Civil Rights Movement like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I think the Charlie Brown and the football syndrome offered by a commenter above is very apt. This election means a lot to all of us here, but it can be literally life and death to others who may never stop to read or post here.

    "though we rush ahead to save our time- we are only what we feel" Neil Young- 1968

    by blindyone on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 04:11:08 PM PDT

  •  psericks, everytime you post over at mydd (3+ / 0-)

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    cross post here.  all of your diaries are worth the read.

  •  And EVERYONE RECOMMEND THIS DIARY (2+ / 1-)

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    clonecone, smartguy11, pamelabrown
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  •  This should make diary rescue (1+ / 0-)

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    pamelabrown

    not because it's about Obama but it's about the a swept-under-the-rug topic that most people are still too scared to openly discuss.

    This diary offers alot of insight into some of the ways black America and white America will need to begin to understand one another if we are to continue our evolution toward equality.

    White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

    by nolalily on Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 08:29:45 PM PDT

  •  excellent transcript (1+ / 0-)

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    Thank you for taking the time to type out Obama's remarks, and for posting them.  This diary is light-years beyond any treatments I've read in newspapers regarding whether Obama is authentically African-American.  That's both due to the man's comments and your ability to convey them here.

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