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Murder in America: 100,000 murdered since 2001

Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:29:43 PM PDT

Bob Herbert has written a powerful essay on violence in America, unfortunately hidden behind the firewall of the New York Times Op Ed page.  If you have a subscription, read it.  If you don't, I am summarizing some of his points.

I have written two diaries about this topic over this weekend: Murder in America Murder in America and Murder in America: Drive-by shootings Murder in America: Drive-by shootings.  Fellow kossack RickWn weighed in the main point of these diaries:

local crime is just as important to a citizen's safety and security as is international terrorism

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I don't know that Bob Herbert reads my blogging, that he should be channeling the same concern with the rising violence in America.  I am flattered beyond measure if he is, but I expect that he is just reading the same news stories I am about horrific crimes.  

Herbert makes the profound observation that many many more Americans are being murdered than were affected by 9/11 and the whole war on terror.  

It has been almost six years since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, when the nation’s consciousness of terror was yanked to new heights. In those six years, nearly 100,000 people — an incredible number — have been murdered in the United States.

No heightening of consciousness has accompanied this slaughter, which had nothing to do with terrorism. The news media and most politicians have hardly bothered to notice.

That is correct.  There is no escalation of crime and violence on george Bush's watch- all is well here in America.  You are nice and safe as long as you are on a plane, since:

At the same time that we’re diligently confiscating water and toothpaste from air travelers, we’re handing over guns and bullets by the trainload to yahoos bent on blowing others into eternity in armed robberies, drug-dealing, gang violence, domestic assaults and other criminal acts.

Who are concerned about this issue?  Well, folks in Omaha Nebraska are.  They have has 30 shootings in 30 days.  Omaha.  Nebraska.  My friend who is a 4th year medical student working neurosurgery rotation has had some pretty awful experiences this month at work.  Spooked by all the violence, she called security to drive her home this weekend and worried she was bein too nervous.  Security reassured her- it was dangerous and she was right to ask for protection.

Who else is concerned?  Police Chiefs, especially in major cities.  Bill Bratton of LA said:

"What we’d like to do is bring this issue of crime back into the national debate in this election year. What you don’t want is to let it get out of control like it did in the late ’80s and early ’90s."

 

Mr. Bratton is the former head of the Police Executive Research Forum.  They just published a study called Violent Crime in America: 24 months of alarming trends.  (Link opens large pdf file.)  Here are some of the main points:  

Among the jurisdictions filing reports with PERF, total homicides in 2006 were 10.21 percent higher than they were in 2004. Robberies increased 12.27 percent; aggravated assaults increased 3.12 percent; and aggravated assaults with a firearm increased 9.98 percent.

While some cities were reversing the trend, like Washington DC, Dallas and Denver, overall there has been an alarming increase.  

The crime reductions of the 1990s cannot be taken for granted. The nation is receiving a warning signal that federal, state, and local governments must refocus their attention on crime in order to restore the level of safety and security that Americans experienced in the 1990s. And the volatility in crime rates—across the nation, and within given jurisdictions—suggests that it will be critically important to watch crime statistics closely in coming months and years.

The FBI is seeing the same trends, but they are not as fast at completing their larger studies.

According to the last two available years of FBI statistics (2004 and 2005):
• 32,840 murders occurred in the United States.
• Victims reported 818,592 robberies in America.
• 1,710,328 aggravated assaults were reported in the U.S., 289,106 of which involved the use of a firearm.
• The nation’s violent crime rose by 2% in 2005, the first increase in 13 years.

Herbert also cites Chuck Wexler, PERF's eecutive director, who reports that there are 100,000 cases of aggravated assault with a firearm, of which 60,000 result in wounding.  Ironically, we are getting much better at treating gunshot victims, or our homicide rate would be 2 to 3 times higher.  

"Over the past five years," said Mr. Wexler, "more than half a million people have been the victim of an aggravated assault with a firearm. We have become numbed in this society."

Where are these crimes coming from?  One trend, young, heavily armed men, robbing the desirable items like i-pods and cell phones, from other young people.  

The federal government played a big role in the effort that reduced crime substantially in the 1990s. But much of that federal support has since vanished, in part because of the tremendous attention and resources directed toward anti-terror initiatives, and in part because the Bush administration and much of the Republican Party have held fast to the ideological notion that crime is a local problem.

In 2004, Democrats campaigned on Bush's cuts in the COPS programs:

Cleveland has laid off 250 police officers, 15 percent of its total force. Since 1995, Cleveland had received $34 million in federal funds for new police officers, this year the city will only receive $498,000 for all police programs. "It's been very painful and emotional... We've had to cut some successful programs and go back to an older style of policing, doing patrols and answering calls for service," said Ed Lohn, Cleveland's police chief.

In Minneapolis, $6 million in COPS grants allowed the police department to hire 81 cops and boost the city's number of officers to 938 by 1997. But officials have had to cut 140 positions since then, including 38 this year. Officers are being shifted away from neighborhoods to handle emergency calls; robberies are up by 20 percent this year, and burglaries are up 3 percent. Minneapolis Police Chief Robert Olson observed: "Our long-term, grass-roots initiatives are starting to fade... We're seeing a resurgence in gang activity. We've got gangsters showing up in hospitals with bullets in them. The real impact will be seen in a year or two."

In New Orleans, the COPS program helped officials add more than 400 officers from 1996 to 2000, nearly 100 have been cut in the last three years. The city now has 1,610 officers. This year, homicides are up 16 percent, and rapes are up 14 percent.

In New York City, which received federal grants for 4,700 new officers and had nearly 40,000 cops three years ago, has dropped more than 3,400 since then. Crime rates in New York are still down slightly this year, but New Yorkers are becoming more vulnerable as they lose more and more police officers.

And finally, the money quote from Bob Herbert:

A similarly rigid ideological stance is undermining the effort to control the flow of guns and ammunition into the hands of criminals.

We need to have a more rational approach to this problem. I view gun control as a public safety issue, not an issue of personal freedom. The current wave of gun violence does not support the notion that more guns in the hands of the citizenry with concealed carry permits is making the country safer.  

For an extremely radical point of view, read the highly entertaining article in Salon by Walter Shapiro entitled, "Repeal the Second Amendment."

Rather than ducking a debate with the conservatives over the eternal primacy of the Second Amendment, gun-control backers should embrace it. Since right-wing Republicans are zealously championing constitutional amendments on everything from abortion to a balanced budget, it would take intellectual jujitsu for them to explain why the First Amendment is worthy of improvement (by severing flag burning from free speech), but the Second Amendment unquestionably must remain sacrosanct. For only in Tom Clancy-esque mythology are weekend hunters carrying assault weapons a bulwark against tyranny. Only in a nation forged by 18th century concerns about liberty and states' rights do firearms have a hallowed place in the Constitution.

Or listen to this YouTube video from Rudy Giuliani, not afraid of the NRA.    

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  •  Tip Jar..... (19+ / 0-)

    I know many here won't agree with my position on gun control, but at least lets  have a dialog on how to fight crime in America.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:31:32 PM PDT

    •  I'm falling asleep, so I'll read this in detail (4+ / 0-)

      tomorrow.

      Your last two diaries on crime were outstanding.
      You referenced the death of your daughter's friend in Minneapolis - was it the grad student?  

      I've been following that case and am shocked by the lack of publicity: how can it be that a horrific crime like this merits no demand for answers from the public?  

      I share your concern about the rise of violent crimes and the lack of attention from the presidential candidates.    

      Small varmints, if you will.

      by 2lucky on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:44:12 PM PDT

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      •  Sadly, yes.... (5+ / 0-)

        I am the poster "statistics" on this blog.  I have taught forensics and worked extensively on DNA testing.  But this case- very limited information. If the husband is falsely accused, that would be horrible.  But if he is guilty, how to prove it?  

        The biggest political issue is there are HUGE DNA backlogs all over the country an not enough analysts.  this would do a lot to reduce the amount of unsolved rape cases, and reduce false accusations.  DNA doesn't solve every case though.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:48:16 PM PDT

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        •  Well, I'm sorry. (2+ / 0-)

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          Her case breaks my heart: it seems like she was a very promising artist and a much-loved lady.  

          I know how horrible it is to lose a friend to this type of ungodly violence.  I would hate to see her husband unfairly accused, and I would hate to see her murderer go free.

          I was shocked to learn the DNA test backlog in Minneapolis was 8 weeks.  

          I see the issue here is how IS it that we create so many vicious criminals?  That for me is not necessarily a political question; I don't how many questions we have to ask.

          Small varmints, if you will.

          by 2lucky on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:03:39 AM PDT

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    •  don't know how this poll got so popular..... (0+ / 0-)

      must be some sort of cross-post on it.

      When the diary was first written and scrolled down into my usual obscurity, there were 75 replies.  Checked today and there are 750.  Interesting.

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:37:29 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks for keeping this issue out there (2+ / 0-)

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    and for putting crime and terrorism in perspective.  We need to remember that crime is a social issue, and one that is susceptible to a progressive analysis.

    Crime has long been the issue of Republican fearmongers, but you are correct, I think, in showing how this could and ought to be a Democratic issue, front and center.

    When employees and stock-holders aren't different people, I'll find something else to do.

    by oxon on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:38:58 PM PDT

  •  I strongly support gun control for criminals; yup (0+ / 0-)

    and I favor gun rights for law abiding citizens

    Cats, err, Pooties! for Obama "The president doesn't have a magic wand." The President

    by PhillyGal on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:46:04 PM PDT

    •  So anyone can have guns except for (2+ / 0-)

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      people who say they are ciminals, right ?

      Everyone detected with AIDS should be tattooed in the upper forearm, to protect common-needle users, and on the buttocks... -- William F. Buckley, Jr

      by tiponeill on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:50:25 PM PDT

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      •  well, thats pretty much how it works.... (1+ / 0-)

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        except for the background checks.  Now the Republicans want to liberalize gun ownership and et guns back in the hands of the convicted who lost those rights. link  This is happening right now!

        The Tiahrt Amendment, named after U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt, the Kansas Republican who first tacked it onto a Justice Department appropriations bill in 2003, bars law enforcement officials from sharing information about gun trafficking trends.

        Soon after it was was passed, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stopped producing annual reports on guns used in crimes in 50 metropolitan areas. Police departments were unable to access data about gun crime trends.

        link

        Another law on reporting lost or stolen guns, this time in Connecticut.

        Although it's not foolproof, the new state law that requires gun owners to report lost or stolen firearms within 72 hours of discovering them missing is a step in the right direction and could lead to additional reforms.

        When it takes effect in October, the gun-control legislation signed Tuesday by Gov. M. Jodi Rell will specifically target "straw buyers," people who buy guns legally and then sell them illegally to felons and other people who shouldn't have guns.

        Under current law, even when a gun involved in a crime is traced to a straw buyer, the owner, in most cases, avoids responsibility by claiming the gun was stolen and that he or she neglected to report the theft to the police.

        The new law prevents straw buyers from using that alibi. Except for a first-time failure to report a lost or stolen gun - an infraction punishable by a fine of up to $90 - the penalties for subsequent offenses are severe, which may make them a deterrent to selling guns in the first place. Violators will be charged with a Class D felony, subject to a fine of up to $5,000 and five years in prison.

        link

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:32:26 AM PDT

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  •  How does the heroin trade work into these stats? (3+ / 0-)

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    What percentage of these murders are related to heroin and other hard drugs being exported from Afghanistan, Turkey ..

    What percentage of these murders are taking place in inner city urban areas, where guns and alcohol sales seem to go together like fish with white wine?

    What hand do the corporations that make profit off the sale of guns, alcohol, and the underground criminal corporation of heroin and cocaine have in this death rate?

    I'll wager a lot of it. And I'll wager that the government, Bush's government in particular has their hands covered in blood.

    "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

    by shpilk on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:46:43 PM PDT

    •  You could compare to countries (2+ / 0-)

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      where they also have heroin, but not guns, if you wanted an honest answer.

      Everyone detected with AIDS should be tattooed in the upper forearm, to protect common-needle users, and on the buttocks... -- William F. Buckley, Jr

      by tiponeill on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:51:41 PM PDT

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      •  legalizing drugs.... (1+ / 0-)

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        or at least decriminalizing them like in some European countries.   UK has more problems than the Netherlands with drugs and crime.  

        The UK has the highest levels of addiction and multi-drug consumption and the second-highest rate of drug-related deaths in Europe, the document claimed.

        More than 320,000 problem drug users commit "very high numbers of offences" - mostly shoplifting, but also violent crime.

        link

        Review of Netherlands drug policy

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:13:01 AM PDT

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    •  Here are some statistics: (1+ / 0-)

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      from the department of justice

      About 27% of the victims of violence reported that the offender was using drugs or alcohol.

      Crack and meth are just as highly addictive as heroin and are more common.  Many crimes are being committed to obtain drug money.  Also, gangs fight over drug territory and with each other if there is theaft of drugs or drug money.

      There was a good book written recently on the money from the gun industry: Making A Killing: The Business of Guns in America. by Tom Diaz .  These folks are into making money, and gund just don't wear out and get discarded.  So they are pushing selling us more and more.

      Lawyers, Guns, and Money: One Man's Battle with the Gun Industry by Carol Vizant looked interesting too.

      More from the Violence Policy Center, this time focussing on how the gun industry is selling high powered sniper rifles, threatening our national security.  "One Shot, One Kill: Civilian Sales of Military Sniper Rifles"

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:00:45 AM PDT

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  •  Second Amendment is a right wing talking point (2+ / 0-)

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    The Second Amendment does not prevent gun control, and there is no reason to repeal it.

    Practically, although I favor gun control, our society has gone so far deown the road to gun violence that I don't believe that it is possible at the moment to implement any maningful federal gun control.

    So electorally I don't see it as a huge issue - there are many factors that we CAN control to reduce violence in our society, this is probably one that we can't.

    We are just a homicidal nation.

    Everyone detected with AIDS should be tattooed in the upper forearm, to protect common-needle users, and on the buttocks... -- William F. Buckley, Jr

    by tiponeill on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:48:47 PM PDT

    •  I see your point.... (0+ / 0-)

      on the difficulty of gun regulation.  I also agree, we tolerate a lot of violence.  But there is a perception from most middle class white Americans that the viollence is coming from some "other" people- mostly poor, disadvantaged, drug users, youth.  Somehow, when that crime breaks into our lives, then we start getting nervous.  But I think systematically, we need to address the povery and lack of jobs in many areas- especially for youth.  Barack Obana gave a good speach recently on this topic and could be  good candidate to bring this issue forward.

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:04:43 AM PDT

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  •  Reality, Risk, Race, Suicide (4+ / 0-)

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    For most Americans, murder is sufficiently rare that it is a non-issue.

    The major except to this are young black men, who are victimized by murder at tragic rates. (Even worse, most young black men are killed by other young black men.)

    Meanwhile, just about every other demographic group is actually at greater risk of SUICIDE than murder. Young black men are just about the only major demographic group who are more likely to be killed by HOMICIDE than suicide.

    To put this in numerical terms, about 40 of every 100,000 black men are murdered. About 4 of every 100,000 white non-hispanic men are murdered and about 13 hispanic men are murdered.

    (Men are far more likely to be murdered than women.)

    Meanwhile, nearly 22 of every 100,000 white non-hispanic men kill themselves -- in other words, a white non-hispanic male is 5x more likely to kill himself than to be killed by someone else.

    Only about 5 in 100,000 white non-hispanic females kill themselves.

    Also interesting, the suicide rate among black men is nearly 65% lower lower than the rate among white non-hispanic men.

    In total, from 2001-2004, 125,000 Americans killed themselves.  During this same stretch 72,000 were killed by others.

    Of those who killed themselves, 106,000 were white non-hispanic. Of those who were killed by others, 32,500 were black, 27,000 of whom were male.

    I offer these statistics NOT to get into the whole racist game of "are such and such people genetically this or that". I'm just pointing out some stats that a lot of people don't know. I suspect that many people who should be more afraid of suicide are actually more afraid of murder.

    Now when it comes to guns, more than half of all suicides are by gun.

    About 85% of suicide attempts with a gun are successful. Only 5% of all other suicide attempts are successful.

    The weird thing is that white non-hispanics and blacks have about the same "self-harm" rate, but white non-hispanics, especially men, have a much higher self-harm rate using guns.

    It has made me sometimes wonder if there is some sort of equivalency between homicide rates and suicide rates. The homicide rate is 10x higher among black men than white men, but the intentional killing rate (including homicides) is only 2x higher.

    Regardless, in both cases guns obviously play a huge role.

    I have not seen very good epidemiological studies on the impact of gun control on black homicide rates, though I've seen a lot of data suggesting it does not impact overall homicide rates, which makes sense to me.

    On the other hand, I've seen good data suggesting a strong link between gun control and reduced suicide risk.

    Still, there may be better ways to reduce suicide than gun control.

    It's all quite interesting and I think we generally overpoliticize what is actually a very important public health problem. It's also a social problem, because anytime you have one segment of the population being 10x more likely to be killed than another, it makes integration that much more difficult.

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    by JedReport on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:21:01 AM PDT

    •  what about armed robberies with guns? (0+ / 0-)

      and wounding?  I think aggregated, it is more of a problem.  I agree suicide is a risk- one of the reasons we don't want to sell guns to the mentally ill.  A friend's neighbor bought a gun at a paen shop and committed suicide during a deep depression.  His wife went to the pawn shop to ask about his state of mind, since he didn't leave a nte.  Pawn shop guy freaked out and said the depressed man seemed all right and denied his mental illness.  

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:36:35 AM PDT

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    •  public health (1+ / 0-)

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      I agree, gun violence is a public health issue.  But I also have to note that the murder rate reminds me of South Africa just a few years back when they had 25,000 in one year.  They are significantly smaller than the US, but over 100,000 in 6 years is a ludicrous number.

      A few years back, Juneteenth was cancelled in DC (Union Temple Baptist does a Juneteenth street fair) and did a peace protest instead due to all the city-wide deaths of children.  There had been 42 before June that year.  All of them were latino or african-american and all of those 42 were 19 or younger.  

      The public health concept to gun violence also reminds me of the "tipping point" by Malcolm Gladwell.  

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      by Bendygirl on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 06:49:14 AM PDT

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  •  I had no idea (1+ / 0-)

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    100,000.

    I continue to be shocked at the level of insanity that governs public policy in this country-- particulary the quasi-religious fervor supporting the wide dissemination of powerful firearms.

  •  This is a sidebar to this diary... (1+ / 0-)

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    I looked at the CDC's statistics and they show for the year 2004 that total deaths in America were
    2,398,343.  

    Of this number about 43,000 were due to auto fatalities (about 6000 of which are teenagers), and the rest are murder, cancer deaths(550,000), heart disease(655,000) other medical deaths, and a variety of other causes such as below (not a complete list):

    Stroke : 150,147
    lower respiratory diseases: 123,884
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 108,694
    Diabetes: 72,815
    Alzheimer's disease: 65,829
    Influenza/Pneumonia: 61,472

    ref:
    http://www.cdc.gov/...

    •  I am too lazy to search myself (1+ / 0-)

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      Are deaths due to AIDS included in the "other medical deaths"? I expect that there were enough for them to be separately categorized.

      If not, I am grateful that at least some things in life are improving.

      I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

      by shann on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 02:40:25 AM PDT

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      •  That is one case.... (0+ / 0-)

        where throwing money at a problem helped.  The HIV death rate is way down.  As long as you get health care and can afford to take the expensive drugs.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 04:42:19 AM PDT

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  •  I wonder (2+ / 0-)

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    The spike in violent crime in the 1980s was commonly attributed to crack cocaine, and all the gang-related violence associated with it.

    Today - is it meth?

    Or could it be related to the hopelessness and desperation so many feel due to:

    • Depressed wages in the lower economic tiers
    • Lack of education and opportunity, especially for young African-American males
    • A sense that others are screwing you because of the obscenely high salaries paid to CEOs compared to minimum wage
    • The indentured servanthood of modern bankruptcy
    • Lack of health care access
    • Pervasive war and cruelty
    • The social Darwinism underlying Republicanism

    I've never studied these kinds of sociological matters, but I have to believe some of the above is at least a contributor.

    •  Excellent comment (2+ / 0-)

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      Right now a lot of people, including myself, don't have a lot of hopes for the future of where our society is headed.  We are in a period of rapid social dislocation.  Compare this to a period in which home ownership, good union wages, job stability, and stable social networks were the norm for most people (1946-64); the violent crime rate then was very low, even with relatively few gun laws and high rates of private gun ownership.  Violent crime was high during a previous period of rapid social dislocation, the late 1800s thru the 1930s Depression.  Gun laws and private gun ownership don't correlate at all with violent crime rates; job stability, home ownership, and good wages do.

      On a side note I have to wonder if the rush toward a surveillance society with security cameras everywhere isn't going to make the crime problem much worse.  It certainly contributes to an atmosphere of uneasiness about the future.

      •  Yeah (2+ / 0-)

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        I'm sure it's overly simplistic, but I've long thought that terrorism -- whether KKK or Al-Qaeda  -- takes root most firmly when economic hopelessness is pervasive.  Maybe I'm a pollyanna, but I'm skeptical that groups such as that would get much purchase in society if people had opportunity, enough food, and a sense of optimism and hope for better times in the future.  There would still be the occasional wacko, but I would imagine that they would be far fewer, wouldn't be able to easily recruit new adherents, and would be less likely to be tolerated by the subsection of society in which they live.

      •  Stop Snitching (0+ / 0-)

        I think the increase in surveillance cameras is in part a reaction to the unwillingness of witnesses to crime to come forward or to testify when asked.  It is inconceivable to me that my neighbors wouldn't call the police if they saw someone breaking into my house, let along that if they saw someone shoot me they would refuse to provide witness to the police, but apparently the stop snitching mantra is reflective of widespread attitudes in New Orleans, Newark and other struggling urban areas.  I can understand why there would be longstanding distrust of the police, but siding with criminals means you're going to have increasing crime in your community.

        •  fear is a big issue for many.... (0+ / 0-)

          if the law enforcement are not perceived as working for you but a threat to you, and the thugs are running the place, then you are afraid to report the crimes.

          You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

          by murrayewv on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 10:18:22 PM PDT

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  •  Interestingly (4+ / 0-)

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    there was a recent article in the Washington Post showing a close correlation between violent crime rates and the level of exposure to lead as a toxin in the environment:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    Not sure about the above theory but it deserves more research.

    I would note more generally that violent crime tends to spike during periods of massive social dislocation and rapid societal change, and drop to low levels during periods of relative social and economic stability.  As Michael Moore pointed out repeatedly in his film, Canada and the U.S. have near identical rates of private gun ownership but very different violent crime rates.  Britain's crime rate has skyrocketed even after they have dramatically tightened their gun laws.  Providing a society where certainty about the future, job stability, and good wages and health care are the norm, seems to be the best way to bring violent crime down.

    Each new round of gun control laws (1934, 1968, the early 1990s) happens in reaction to violent crime going up, but the issue goes off the table when crime rates are down (as in the 1940s-early 60s).  Build a society in which people can feel secure about their economic future, and the gun issue will become a moot point.

  •  I live in one of the very most violent cities (0+ / 0-)

    in America for its size (400,000), according to FBI crime statistics. That's Oakland, California.  We just this month endured a run of eight homicides in six days. We're right up there with post-Katrina New Orleans. We are a city out of control.

    You better believe I think about crime. I think about it every day, multiple times a day. So I really appreciate your tackling this subject.

    Why do we seem to lack the political will to put enough cops on the streets, and beef up the schools and the social safety net to stem the despair that leads to violence?  I think it's because every-day, petty, anonymous brown-on-brown, poor-on-poor violence serves THEIR interests. I  mean, the interests of the most powerful people in society, who want to hang onto power at all costs. Figure, for their propaganda to work, there has to be an "us" and a "them."

    I saw another diary about violence that pleased me very much, for its willingness to call a spade a spade. The diarist referred to the gang-bangers, the guys who carry firearms around to defend their turf, as "chumps." I loved it. Yeah, you're violent misfits, but never mind your own mystique of coolness and self-determination, we need your acting out to keep our neoconservative agenda in place.

    •  Thanks karmsy.... (0+ / 0-)

      I think this is an issue, but gang violence is only part of the problem of crime- estimates of 5%.  It is a 50% though of the drive-by shootings.

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 10:19:47 PM PDT

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  •  I can see several reasons for all this (0+ / 0-)

    Welfare "reform" led to many parents not being home because they were forced to work, so the children grew up without any strong loving parent around to show them how to treat others.

    Abortion opponents have made it increasingly difficult to get abortions, so more babies are born into horrible situations and grow up all messed up.

    The economy sucks for middle and lower class folks, so they are getting more hopeless and desperate.

    There are more people being trained in warfare than before, therefore there are more that would go for violence. The society pushed by the right wingers glorifies violence too much, and doesn't emphasize honor, kindness and generosity enough.

    The war on drugs has both sucked resources by forcing the police to devote far too much time going after drug offenders, and has put many people behind bars where they can learn violent ways. When those people get out, who would otherwise be non-violent upstanding citizens, they have a record so it's more difficult for them to get jobs, making it more tempting to put in practice what they learned in prison. We have more people in prison than any other developed country, so not putting enough people in prison is not the reason. Perhaps it's the other way around, we are putting too many in prison that shouldn't be there.

    I'm sure there are other reasons too, but other than guns these are certainly factors. I do advocate some restrictions and more safety features on guns.

    "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." Douglas Adams

    by splashy on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:47:53 AM PDT

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