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Mpls 35W Bridge Update: Rebuild awash in scandal?

Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 09:51:21 AM PDT

At 2PM Central Time, five new bridge designs will be presented to the public. We will be able to comment on the designs. Here is the link:  

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/...  

Two issues have recently come to the fore front on the rebuild. The first is that a federal bridge paid for through emergency funds allows for no alternative transportation modes, no pedestrians, bicycles, or light rail access. The second is that the federal highway official that will be in charge of the 35W Bridge Rebuild is from the Big Dig in Boston and has had past disagreements with Sen. Kerry.  More after the fold.

This Star & Tribune article discusses some of the issues and problems related to limits the federal money puts on the design of the bridge:

Rybak's lofty goals for the bridge run counter to the U.S. Department of Transportation's emergency funding rules that authorize only the replacement of an "equivalent" structure. Congress would likely permit additional traffic lanes, but not another mode of transportation, such as light rail.
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The design of the replacement bridge will be intentionally left vague to allow for flexibility for the builder, said Minneapolis Public Works Director Steve Kotke. Ultimately, the state will have five different designs from which to choose, he said.
Design experts said it's an opportunity to think big.
"Rather than just doing another old bridge, it might be nice to have something dramatic and exciting -- and of course the essence of safety," said architect Ralph Rapson.
Judith Martin, director of the urban studies program at the University of Minnesota, said anybody hoping for something grand and fancy should rein in their expectations. Federal highway bridges tend to be "extremely utilitarian" with more attention paid to load bearing ability than design. "Think about all the interstate bridges in the Twin Cities. Are any of them memorable?" she asked.

This second Star & Tribune article discusses the issues surrounding Capka being in charge of the 35W Rebuid:

The federal highway official responsible for the rebuilding of the collapsed Interstate 35W bridge was dismissed in 2002 as chief executive of the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority after his leadership of Boston's controversial "Big Dig" tunnel project came under fire.
J. Richard Capka, the nation's federal highway administrator and a retired brigadier general in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, arrived in the Twin Cities on Monday night in preparation for the first public meeting today on the design and construction of the new bridge. Gov. Tim Pawlenty and state transportation officials say they are determined to complete the project by the end of 2008.

But Capka's role with the $14.6 billion Big Dig project has twice drawn criticism from U.S. Sen. John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, who briefly blocked Capka's approval as federal highway administrator.
Capka headed the Big Dig, the nation's largest construction project, from 2000 to 2002. His dismissal came about seven months after he received criticism for approving lucrative six-month severance agreements for three attorneys on the project's payroll. Capka told the Boston Globe newspaper that his decision to sign the severance packages without a vote by the Turnpike Authority's board was "ill-advised."

They're moving forward at a fast pace in Minneapolis. While everyone wants a new bridge up as soon as possible, it should be done right. And that means with responsible management and responsible design.

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  •  Who says no transit? (4+ / 0-)

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    Errol, kkjohnson, Lashe, jetskreemr

    So far I've heard Carol Molnau and her GOP anti-transit people parrot the "no light rail or bike lanes" line, but has anyone actually verified the federal requirements? And what happened to the big talk of "waiving regulations" to speed things up? Certainly transit restrictions, if they do exist, could just as easily be waived.

    Are you shaking or biting the invisible hand?

    by puppethead on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:00:21 AM PDT

  •  When (3+ / 0-)

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    N in Seattle, bartman, Lashe

    "Rather than just doing another old bridge, it might be nice to have something dramatic and exciting -- and of course the essence of safety"

    When the NY State Thruway collapsed over Schoharie Creek in 1987, killing 10, there wasn't some weird competition to seek submissions for a bridge/memorial.

    They just... rebuilt the damn bridge and improved the design for safety.  (Maybe there's a plaque or something somewhere.)

    I'm starting to think that all these lofty plans for "New - Better - Yet Properly Mournful" replacements for collapsed buildings and bridges are just sucking up public attention that needs to be better directed toward the root causes of the failures.   You'd think, after 9/11, people would start to wise up to this kind of dog and pony show.

    •  Original 35W bridge is bad design (2+ / 0-)

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      kkjohnson, MyBrainWorks

      Can't just rebuild the 35W bridge the way it was originally, it's too unsafe a design. I read somewhere the techniques it employed were abandoned a few years after it was built. In addition, the traffic volume on that stretch of freeway must be ten times or more higher than was factored for when originally built forty years ago.

      Are you shaking or biting the invisible hand?

      by puppethead on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:15:09 AM PDT

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      •  true (1+ / 0-)

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        N in Seattle

        But so was the NY bridge -- the problem was with the pilings -- and that was changed.

        It seems to me that people are trying to reinvent the wheel at 35W for political gain.  Seems silly.  But I suppose that is part of the local political culture that has to be dealt with.  Here in New York, the government has been deeply invested in maintaining complex infrastructure for almost 200 years... which means, things tend to get fixed instead of fought over; but also you have the drawback of New York having a general overall scary situation with too many bad bridges in EVERY county.

    •  right-o (0+ / 0-)

      It's not like I-35W was a distinguished, memorable bridge.  It's just a simple highway bridge, like thousands of others.

      The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier

      by N in Seattle on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:15:56 AM PDT

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    •  Schoharie Creek a much simpler design (0+ / 0-)

      Not much choice when replacing a simple girder/pier design: http://timesunion.com/...

    •  exactly, (0+ / 0-)

      take for example the collapsed buildings memorial in lower manhattan. or not.

  •  The 35W bridge really shouldn't have (1+ / 0-)

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    bartman

    any other forms of transportation on it.  Pedestrian and bicycles don't belong anywhere on an interstate freeway.  As for light rail, there's no where to connect up to it on that span now anyway.  Seems like a project for the future.

    Your point about the Big Dig point man working on this project does sound like an issue.  I can't think a public project could be managed any worse than the Big Dig.  Why does this guy still have a government job?  Incompetence is it's own reward, I guess?

  •  Capka botches the Big Dig, and Pawlenty hires him (3+ / 0-)

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    Errol, kkjohnson, goon 01

    to rebuild a collapsed bridge?? F'ing hell...

    Probably trying to hire someone that can be blamed for the next found of screwups.


    Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
    Harry S Truman

    by Lashe on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:43:59 AM PDT

  •  Why not do something beautiful? (2+ / 0-)

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    kkjohnson, MyBrainWorks

    Like this.    Longest span is 177.4m/582ft.

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    by MKinTN on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:56:48 AM PDT

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