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CNN: A little lead won't kill ya...don't panic

Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:27:19 PM PDT

You know, just when I was comfortable with pretending my coffee is laced with acid in order to watch the morning news on CNN without screaming at the screen, Sanjay and the CPSC decide to blow my freaking mind.

Now, I'm a parent and an educator for kids with special needs, so I realize that I'm pretty sensitive about the innuendo in this morning's reports about lead in our kids' toys http://www.nytimes.com/...
but I don't think I'm out of control in my outrage over this. Watch Sanjay's "message" saying "DON'T PANIC" about this and try really hard not to say "Fuck You" I dare you.:

http://www.cnn.com/...

 

Are you hearing this?  DON'T PANIC, it's lead poisoning, and according to Sanjay, all you have to do is go to the doctor and get your babes tested for lead IF you're worried.  That's it.  What's the problem?  DON'T PANIC.  This is all perfectly fine.  The simple pin-prick test is easy, not an inconvenience to bring your kid to the doctors IF you're even actually concerned.  Got that?  IF you're concerned.

Lead disrupts the functioning of almost every brain neurotransmitter, says David Bellinger, Ph.D., a psychologist and epidemiologist at Children's Hospital in Boston. Neurotransmitters are chemical messengers between the body's nerve cells. The messenger calcium, for example, is essential to nerve impulse transmission, heart activity, and blood clotting, but if it doesn't work right, affected systems may also be askew.

"Lead fits into binding sites that calcium should," Bellinger says, "so it can disturb cellular processes that depend on calcium. But there's no unifying theory that explains in detail what lead does to the central nervous system, which is where lead typically affects children."

Bellinger estimates that each 10 mcg/dL increase in blood lead lowers a child's IQ about 1 to 3 points.

"Symptoms of lead poisoning can be highly variable depending, in part, on the age of the child, the amount of lead to which the child is exposed, and how long the exposure goes on," says pediatrician Randolph Wykoff, M.D., FDA associate commissioner for operations. Children exposed to lead may have no symptoms, he says, or may report sometimes vague symptoms, including headache, irritability or abdominal pain.

While a child's chronic exposure to relatively low lead levels may result in learning or behavioral problems, Wykoff says that "higher levels of exposure can be associated with anemia and changes in kidney function, as well as significant changes in the nervous system that may, at extreme exposures, include seizures, coma and death."
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/...

If the pin-prick test gets pesky and shows a higher level of lead than is OK then all YOU have to do is get YOUR kid some more blood tests.  That's it, what's the problem?  Just some more blood tests.  DON'T PANIC that there's poison in your babies' toys that made it into their blood during the most fragile part of their brain development.  Just get the blood tests, what's the big deal?

And hey, if there turns out to be a higher level of lead than acceptable, well, there's this process called chelation to remove it.  Easy-peasy, just go right in and get it done.  DON'T PANIC.  Just bring the kid in and order this up:  

Chelation is a chemical process in which a substance is used to bind molecules, such as metals or minerals, and hold them tightly so that they can be removed from a system, such as the body...

In the case of EDTA chelation therapy, the substance that binds and removes metals and minerals is EDTA (ethylene diamine tetra-acetic acid), a synthetic, or man-made, amino acid that is delivered intravenously (through the veins). EDTA was first used in the 1940s for the treatment of heavy metal poisoning. EDTA chelation removes heavy metals and minerals from the blood, such as lead, iron, copper, and calcium, and is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in treating lead poisoning and toxicity from other heavy metals.

What's the big deal?  A little Chelation and you're good to go.  DON'T PANIC.  Go shopping.  

Chelation (pronounced key-LAY-shun) is used to remove heavy metals from the blood. It's approved for acute lead poisoning. The risk is that, in addition to toxic metals, it removes vital minerals from the body.
http://www.webmd.com/...

The most common side effect is a burning sensation experienced at the site where the EDTA is delivered into the veins. Rare side effects can include fever, hypotension (a sudden drop in blood pressure), hypocalcemia (abnormally low calcium levels in the blood), headache, nausea, vomiting, and bone marrow depression (meaning that blood cell counts fall).

http://nccam.nih.gov/...

So there's some lead in our baby's toys.   No biggie.  DON'T PANIC.  Besides which, lead can make it into your baby's blood stream from other places too.  Like if you have a dog and the dog digs around in some lead contaminated soil and then rolls on your carpet and then the baby ingests it.  So please, don't blame the toy companies that make toys for babes that are supposed to be safe.  Don't even THINK about doing something crazy like sue them if your kid is poisoned, it could've been that time your dog was out digging in that lead-contaminated soil you've got your geraniums in.  

For God's sake, what's the matter with YOU?  IF you are concerned about this, all YOU have to do is get your babe lead tested, you're supposed to do that anyway, what's the big deal?  

So don't think about Fisher Price/Mattel buying crap that poisons your baby from China made by people working for slave wages.  Some of them may even be child slaves, but please don't get in a tizzy over it:  http://ihscslnews.org/...

or they may be mentally handicapped and forced to work.  No worries.:  http://www.blogrunner.com/...

It's all under control.  China executed some guy and the other one responsible committed suicide, so it's all good.  

Hey, the CPSC has addressed your concerns IF you are concerned, what's the worry?  DON'T PANIC.  And don't test for lead yourself, 'cause that just makes you worry needlessly.  IF you're concerned, go get your baby's blood tested.  It's so simple:    

NANCY NORD, ACTING CHAIRMAN, CPSC: First we are announcing several recalls involving the Mattel company. Second, I want to put these recalls in perspective. Third, I want to address the concerns parents have about children's products. And fourth, I want to tell you what the CPSC is doing to ensure the safety of products imported into the United States.

Today, the CPSC is announcing the voluntary recall of more than 9 million children's toys manufactured by Mattel. These are being recalled for two reasons. First, some have magnets that can become dislodged and fall out of the toys. And second, one of the recalled products has lead paint...

Now with respect to the lead issue, more than 250,000 Sarge die- cast toys are being recalled because the surface paint contains lead. The toy is a promotional product from the movie "Cars" and looks like a small military Jeep. Lead can cause adverse health effects if ingested by young children. There have been no reported injuries with the product, but because the adverse affects of lead are cumulative, it is important to remove any accessible lead from a child's environment.

Lead paint has been banned in this country since 1978. Even so, each year there are new cases of lead poisoning to children. Old lead house paint is far and away the leading cause of lead poisoning to children. If parents are concerned about lead exposure, they should have their child tested for lead poisoning. It is a simple blood test. If parents are concerned about the presence of lead in their home, then a hired professional can determine its presence.

Home test kits are not a reliable way to determine the presence of lead in the home or in products. By using home test kits, consumers are provided with what can be false and misleading information that can cause unnecessary concern...

And please, don't take it out of PROPORTION.  None of the parents that didn't know there was lead in these products have reported a problem.  From the same CPSC bimbette today:  

In today's environment, it is easy to take recalls out of proportion. Nine million products is certainly a lot of products, but by no means is it the largest recall this agency has done and it represents only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions of toys that are sold in the United States every year. There have been no reported injuries involving any of these products. And in an abundance of caution, the scope of these recalls is intentionally large to prevent any injuries from occurring.

Toy recalls are emotional because they impact children. The CPSC is dedicated to keeping all consumers safe, but we act especially swiftly and we speak loudly when the recall impacts our most vulnerable population group, our children. The CPSC is dedicated to keeping the U.S. consumer marketplace the safest in the world. Of the agency's 409 recalls this year, 44 have been toys. These recalls make clear that when a product poses a possible hazard or violates U.S. law, there are consequences.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/...

Please, IF you're concerned YOU take responsibility and get your baby lead tested, what's the matter with YOU anyway?  Don't get all emotional here.  It's just your kid.

Don't think about how the free-market idiots have deregulated everything and don't give a shit if our babies are poisoned.  Don't do that for a minute.  Don't think about holding Fisher Price/Mattel or any other company responsible, just keep buying their products blindly.  Don't wonder why CNN and other media outlets are telling you not to panic instead of acknowledging the outrage that this is.  And for God's sake, don't contact your representatives and tell them you don't want to live in a country where our most vulnerable, our own babes, suffer along with the vulnerable in China because the bottom line is some greedy assholes will stoop to anything, even turning their heads to poisoning our children, to make a buck.

http://www.visi.com/...

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  •  Tips (27+ / 0-)

    And if someone could tell me how to embed Sanjay's video I'd appreciate it.  

    Have to go out for a doctor's appointment in a bit but will check in later.  

    •  CNN does not make an embed link available (1+ / 0-)

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      because they want you to go to the CNN website and watch a commercial to see the video.

      someone with more video ability than I have would have to download it from CNN via DVR and then upload it.  It is difficult for casual users to upload just the video portion of a web page unless an embed link is provided.

      Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:43:36 AM PDT

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  •  Nothing to see here. Move along, peasant scum! (4+ / 0-)

    Sheesh!

    Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21

    by funluvn1 on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 12:32:37 PM PDT

  •  Unreal. (3+ / 0-)

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    My daughter didnt have any of these toys but she did have the Thomas toys that were recalled a month ago.

    Furious.

  •  My collegues had the toys.... (3+ / 0-)

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    and they are understandably upset.  What to do with the lead toys?  Send them back?  Throw them out?

    While the risk IS probably small, minimizing it without data is foolish.  Great diary!

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 01:50:33 PM PDT

    •  How small is it? I don't know. How many other (0+ / 0-)

      items in our homes contain lead if the items we'd assume most obviously would not contain lead actually do.  Who's checking?

      •  Exactly. After 30 years of deregulation -- (2+ / 0-)

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        who's checking? Even the agencies whose regulatory power hasn't been gutted are generally spread too thin to keep up with earlier standards of thoroughness.  And the range of threats, expecially to children, via chemicals and additives and so on, just gets bigger and bigger.

        Good diary -- the anger is palpable and most appropriate.

        Vote John McCain for a Hundred Year War!

        by Fiona West on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 09:37:09 PM PDT

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        •  what deregulation? (0+ / 0-)

          In terms of environmental regulations, the past 30 years have been almost unanimously more regulation. In fact, 1977 was when the Clean Air Act was first passed (it was significantly upgraded in 1990). There are very few instances that you can point to in the last 30 years where environmental standards were rolled back.

          Of course, that doesn't mean that the regulations are strong enough, but to say there has been deregulation is incorrect, imo.

  •  i'm missing something? (1+ / 0-)

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    Seems to me he's saying that simply having the toys isn't a reason to freak out and if you think your child ingested lead or was otherwise exposed, go to the doctor.

    What else do you want him to do? He's not a pundit. He doesn't cover trade issues or regulations.. we saw this weakness when he tried to "fact check" Sicko.

  •  Lead has been banned in household paints (4+ / 0-)

    since at least the sixties. It was one of the first heavy metals actually identified as harmful and contrary to Gupta's claims there is strong evidence that lead can be transferred via the air and via contact. Hence the use of clean suits, temporary clean rooms and ventilators when removing lead paint from houses.

    In addition, although Gupta made a point that lead was likely to be transferred if and only if there was severe breakage on the surface of the toy.
    This is also not true. Microscopic, invisible cracks can also likely cause the dispersion of lead, especially if the items are handled or mouthed frequently. This is one thing that makes lead poisoning so pernicious and something that anyone who has handled lead can tell you, it is readily absorbed via the skin.

    Lead poisoning is also a risk for adults, especially from sources such as jewelry, mugs, silverware and china. It has also been traced to periodic episodes of mass dementia in Europe, Asia, the US and even the Roman Empire.

    Perhaps this is the real corporate/Rethug plan. Lower their IQ's enough that folks will continue to vote for them?

    "The fact which the politician faces is merely that there is less honor among thieves than was supposed, and not the fact that they are thieves." Thoreau

    by shigeru on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 02:11:26 PM PDT

    •  that's not what he claimed.. (1+ / 0-)

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      He never said lead cannot be transferred via the air or contact.

      What he did say is that when it comes to toys, lead is not easily transferred via the air or contact. That is because the lead is generally bound in the paint. When the paint flakes off and is ingested, then you have a much more serious problem.

      Lead is not usually absorbed through unbroken skin, unless there is prolonged contact (such as jewelry).

      Lead was banned in household paints in 1978.

      •  Lead was banned but still exists in older homes. (3+ / 0-)

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        Thus the suits, etc.  

        We're talking about kids putting toys in their mouths.  

        There are cases of jewelry from China with lead in it as well.  In fact, a child recently died from ingesting a piece of jewelry that was made from lead from China and a "gift" she received with her new sneakers from Reebok.  http://www.cdc.gov/...

        Didn't get much coverage.  CNN probably had a Paris Hilton story that was more important.  Sanjay probably couldn't make the connection with today's recall, being weak and all.  He's just the medical consultant.      

      •  Thank you for the correction on the date (1+ / 0-)

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        Perhaps it was banned nationally in 1978, but several states did ban it in the sixties. In addition, there were public service announcements as early as 1965 warning about the dangers of lead based paints and about lead poisoning.

        "The fact which the politician faces is merely that there is less honor among thieves than was supposed, and not the fact that they are thieves." Thoreau

        by shigeru on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 03:29:23 PM PDT

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  •  Most Satisfying Poll EVER (2+ / 0-)

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    Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there is always time to change the road your on. Led Zeppelin, (-7.88,-6.00)

    by trueblueliberal on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 09:53:17 PM PDT

  •  For what it's worth, I've had chelation (3+ / 0-)

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    treatments intravenously (for heavy metals other than lead), and I haven't had any problems from it. But children might be more vulnerable to side effects. Also, my doctor has a lot of experience in providing chelation. Of course, it's not covered by health insurance (even if I had a deductible lower than $5000), and it's expensive. Thus I have only gotten 10 of the recommended series of 30 treatments so far.

    It takes a village to raise a special child.

    by roses on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:11:51 PM PDT

  •  Gee one might begin to wonder how much (2+ / 0-)

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    Armstrong Williams, oh I mean Sanjay Gupta was paid to spout that crap.

    WAR IS PEACE; FREEDOM IS SLAVERY; IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

    CNN IS MINITRUE

    "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

    by shpilk on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 10:53:19 PM PDT

  •  Love love love love love this diary. (2+ / 0-)

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    n/t

  •  Boy, Ain't It the Truth (2+ / 0-)

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    Toy recalls are emotional because they impact children.

    No kidding.

    However, if I were worried, I'd be worried about mercury, which may be an even worse toxin and is more widespread. That's because most coal-fired power plants in the U.S. belch a little mercury out their smokestacks, and it then piles up in the environment, especially the lakes and streams, but really it's blanketing the landscape.

    I've had mercury removed (by chelation). While it's not that unpleasant as medical treatments go, it's a sin that anyone in our country has to have mercury removed because it is so prevalent in the environment.

    What has the Bush Administration done to help with this problem? You guessed it: They cut the regulations intended to reduce this risk. That's because they don't think that poisoning us is a serious problem.

    Probably everyone should get their levels checked for toxic metals. The simplest test is a hair test. However, it won't work if you've used some hair colors and it really tests how much toxin your body is getting rid of. The more complex text is the blood test. However, by itself it doesn't tell you much about what is built up in your body because a lot of it is locked in tissues, not floating around in the blood.

    The most accurate test is probably a provocative test. This is a blood test in which you get a small amount of chelating agent (EDTA, DMPS, etc.) before the blood draw. This causes the body to release some of the toxin from tissues into the blood, where it can be detected.

    How does the toxin get out of your system? It has to be taken out of the blood by the liver. There are two phases to this detoxification: one that makes the toxins active and one that binds to them and excretes them into the gut. There are a number of substances and foods that help improve liver function. People with impaired liver function tend to build up excess toxins.

    We can do a lot about toxins, but we shouldn't have to. We should be able to depend on the government to protect us from this kind of insidious hazard. But, with this administration, it's caveat emptor!

  •  they are afraid that Christmas shoppers (2+ / 0-)

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    will start noticing that 80% of the toys sold in the US are made in China and stop buying toys made in China and collapse the Christmas shopping season.

    Too effing bad.  Mattel outsourced their toy making to China on the cheap and you get what you pay for.  I'm glad to see them paying a price for it.

    Republicans are upset because people are beginning to see that:

    • cheaper isn't always better
    • corporations cannot be trusted to protect the best interests of the people
    • government regulation and oversight is important

    and people have been hit in a place where they are very emotionally vulnerable: their sons/daughters, grandchildren, nieces/nephews, children they love.  Risks they might have wanted to take for themselves they are not willing to take for children.  Rs are still complaining about the inconvenience for landlords about having to comply with lead paint laws!  This should shut some of them up for a while.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:26:58 AM PDT

  •  Just think ... (1+ / 0-)

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    ...this all started with a grandma in Illinois and her home lead test kit for her grandchild's bib.  

    No wonder they're saying that home test kits give "false positives", etc.  Who knows what else might be found?

    And I remember those 1960's PSA about lead poisoning, seeing toddlers sitting on bare floors putting paint chips in their mouths.  (shiver)

    Personally, the best revenge would be to buy as many American-made products and as few products made in those countries where American jobs were outsourced as possible.  The only thing corporations understand is the bottom line, and if the bottom line says that cheaply made products from China are costing them profits, they'll listen.  After all, their reason for existence is to make money, not produce safe products.

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