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A New Family Value: Ban Ex-Gay Therapy

Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 10:32:23 PM PDT

In the United States, we have allowed the phrase "free exercise of religion" to become limitless. There are those who claim they have a constitutionally-protected religious right to homeschool their children --- fine. There are others who claim they have a constitutionally-protected religious right to attend religion-based schooling --- wonderful. Unfortunately, there are far too many who claim they have a constitutionally-protected right to abuse their children by sending them to ex-gay therapy, Christian "boot camps" and, most egregiously, electroshock therapy.

Let's say that in a horribly hypothetical situation, my child breaks his/her leg. If I refuse to seek medical treatment for my injured child, I have committed child abuse and violated the law. In the reverse, if I force-fed my child medication to treat cancer, though my child is cancer-free, I will have again committed child abuse and violated the law. I cannot fathom, however, why it is perfectly legal and even encouraged by some for a parent to force his/her child to undergo dangerous and even traumatic treatments in order to "cure" him/her of homosexual tendencies or inclinations.

A very close friend of mine who, like me, is in his mid-twenties was sent away by his Roman Catholic parents when he was a teenager. He was forced to receive an overabundance of electro-shock therapy treatments which the administering physician claimed would remove him of his homosexual tendencies (such as a lisp). In other instances, children who are simply perceived to be gay have been subjected to horrible brainwashing in the name of "free exercise of religion". Such brainwashing has included showing a child a nude picture of the opposing gender and receiving no shock immediately followed by showing a child a nude picture of the same gender and administering a shock. Did the Founding Fathers seriously intend for the Free Exercise Clause to be used in such a way as to treat American children like lab rats or disobedient dogs?

We have heard over the last 7 to 10 years that "family values" are of high importance to some voters. Well, perhaps it's time that we progressives and liberals demand our Democratic Congress to enact laws support NEW family values. One of those laws MUST include a ban on forcing children to undergo therapies which are discounted and even condemned by the American Psychological Association. As has been discussed, the APA will be convening soon to make changes and edits to its current policies on ex-gay or reparative therapies. I say it's time we talk with Congressman Barney Frank and Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin --- let's have them bring witnesses before Congress to testify about their experience in ex-gay so-called "Christian" boot camps.

I was raised in the Church of the Nazarene which is a Fundamentalist denomination formed in the early 20th century by Methodists and Pentecostals. I saw during my adolescence how two of my closest friends were ridiculed and demeaned by members of the church when they admitted a possible homosexual attraction. I, too, was warned that because of my effeminacy, I might be sent away and recommended to Exodus International or an even more outrageous type of "treatment." Thankfully my mother was more level-headed than to ever consider such an idea. I was quite active and very prominent within my denomination as a teenager. As a pianist, I had a leadership position as assistant director of music at my church, I was a frequent performer and worship leader at statewide conventions and camp meetings, and I was a member of a district wide choir which traveled to churches and performed every weekend. I was intimidated and shamed by leaders among these groups when I hinted at the idea of being attracted to someone of the same-sex. I was warned that any indication of homosexuality would result in my immediate referral to various ex-gay ministries/psychotherapists and my removal from all of my positions. It was under this duress, but at the age of 18, that I made the conscious decision to abandon the Church of the Nazarene. By the way, one of those two teenage friends whom I previously mentioned was having a consensual affair with a married pastor and father familiar to us both. Yet, even after the denomination settled his case out of court, kept things quiet, and forced him to sign a gag order on the matter (a few years before the Roman Catholic church sex scandals exploded), his name was constantly used as an example of the types of "evil" associated with homosexuality.

I have seen what these types of therapies can do --- they instill feelings of self-loathing, utter worthlessness, and suicidal thoughts. I also spent many a night trying to "pray the gay away" thinking that I was such a detestable individual because I was attracted to a member of my own gender. It wasn't until several years after leaving the church that I finally became comfortable with who and what I was --- that which God had made. My talents and intelligence far outweighed any possible shortcomings that the church somehow indoctrinated me with.

I ask you, Kossacks, to rally behind those who wish to stop forced therapy of children because of homosexuality --- IT IS CHILD ABUSE. I urge you to support a ban on ex-gay therapy for children. I implore you to strike down those who claim they have a constitutionally-protected religious right to electroshock their children. These are the true family values we should be representing. Let us join together and stop this type of child abuse.

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  •  I agree. If such things were done (8+ / 0-)

    for any other reason, they'd be recognized as child abuse immediately.  

    I believe it will take a state-by-state drive to stop it, though.  I can't believe they still use electroshock therapy?!  I needed to be "shocked" last year on the way to the hospital for a heart condition, and I know how horrible it is.  I just can't imagine a parent giving permission for this to be done to a child.  I believe you...I not doubting it at all.  It just makes me so sick that I can't imagine doing it.

    "'Normal' is a dryer setting. " -- Elizabeth Moon

    by revsue on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 10:39:43 PM PDT

  •  I didn't have shock therapy. (11+ / 0-)

    But just attending one of these groups and a quack 'counselor' left me suicidal. These people are liars and frauds.

    We need to hold firm in our professional societies, such as APA and AMA, and ban these quack treatments.

    Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

    by homogenius on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 11:32:07 PM PDT

  •  My coming out... (20+ / 0-)

    ...it was a rough experience, though not as bad as others have have had it.

    My brother lied to me, asking me to go see Star Wars: The Phantom Menace in the theater, a movie he knew I wanted to see.  He asked me to go on a day that he took off from work.  On our way home, he asked me if I was ok with with us taking the "long way" or the "scenic route" home.  I said yes, but nearly as soon as we turned onto the respective road, I knew why.  He wanted to confront me about seeing a book I had in my bedroom about coming out.  I then spent the next 3 hours or so trapped in the car with him having to explain myself and defend myself to him over my being attracted to men and what I believed God felt about me.

    At the end of that experience, as we pulled up to his house, he said he had read books about homosexuality and asked if I wanted to read them.  I automatically understood what kind of books he was referencing: books written by straight, conservative-Christian, white men who had no idea what it was like to be gay.

    My brother asked me if I wanted to read them.  I told him: "I'll read them if you ask me to.  But, if it is my decision, no.  I don't want to read them."  I didn't want to read them because I knew what they'd be like.  I knew they'd condemn me much like my church (at the time) condemned me.  I knew they were written by men who hadn't a clue what my life was like.  I knew they'd make comments and suggestions that did not apply to me.

    Yes, I think "ex-gay" therapy is dangerous.  I think it harms a person's sense of self, and their sense of well-being.  People in this world need to stop condemning people because they are sexually attracted to the same sex.

    We gay and bisexual people cannot control to whom we are attracted any more than any straight person can control to whom they attracted.  The only difference is that in our society, straight people are predominantly accepted with their attraction being "ok".  We gay and bisexual people are judged and condemned by a great many of our fellows within our society.

    Love is love.  Love can be so incredibly rare in this life.  No one, if they have any compassion at all, should ever begrudge or judge anyone who finds love.

    Those who condemn homosexuality like to claim to be religious -- like to claim to be Christian.  But Jesus, whether he was the son of God or not, taught that we should all love one another.  And what love is there in condemning and judging to Hell anyone?  Gay and bisexual people are just as created by God as anyone.  Are we not also the recipients of God's love?

  •  It is obvious (8+ / 0-)

    that treatment to make a person ex-gay does not work! I was told a few days ago that now some churches are saying, ok people are born gay, but that the religious right can make it so people don't have to "give in" to that bad side of themselves. That is so contradictory. I one corner we have, "God doesn't make mistakes and creates everyone in his likeness." In the other we have, "Yeah, except for those gay mistakes that God made. Make sure you don't give in and live like that." They won't ever admit that they are big homophobes and bigots.

    •  Forget treatment or lies or stupidity (4+ / 0-)

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      What about the child abuse and torture that goes on at these ex-gay facilities?  Congress banned freak shows, they should certainly outlaw this.

      Build the Wilshire Subway!

      by SoCalLiberal on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 11:48:03 PM PDT

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    •  "Give In" (7+ / 0-)

      Looking at a man and feeling my heartbeat rate increase, feeling my respiration increase, feeling the blood flush my skin, feeling my eyes dilate: it's not something I can or cannot give in to.  It's all a bodily reaction.  It's nothing that can be controlled.

      And you're right about God creating everyone.  It was when an episcopalian whom I loved and respected so much told me that she didn't believe God hated me that I began to accept myself -- that I began to stop hating myself and believing that I deserved to suffer for eternity.  Before that, I thought I was evil and deserved to go to Hell.  But her true demonstration of true Christianity showed me that I wasn't a horrible person.

      There's nothing to "give in" to except love.  Being gay means little more than one's attracted to a different type of person, and if one can find love within that attraction-concept, then one should be encouraged to develop that love.  If people believe in the Bible as an expression of God's demonstration of message, then the story of Adam and Eve in Genesis teaches us that we as humans are built to find a companion in life.  For gay people, that companion is of the same sex.  There's nothing wrong with that, and nothing in the Bible that truly condemns that.  One of the often regurgitated condemnations of homosexuality is that God "created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".  My response: God created everyone, Adam, Eve, and Steve.  I'm neither Adam, nor Eve.  Stop trying to shoehorn me into either one of their lives.  God made me to be whom I am.  If God didn't want me to be gay, then I wouldn't be gay.

      •  I had the wonderful experience (7+ / 0-)

        of belonging to a church with an openly gay priest when I was a teenager. He and his partner (now husband) were instrumental in my coming to terms with my not-quite-straightness, and even though I've since reverted to atheism, to this day I have a deep and abiding affection for the Episcopal Church.

        During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

        by kyril on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 12:20:33 AM PDT

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      •  My response to Adam & Steve comments. (0+ / 0-)

        When people say such stupid adages, I respond with: "Oh? So, you believe that all humans are products of incest? After all, if Adam and Eve had three sons (one of whom was killed before having children), then we are all products of incest." They hate that.

  •  Good Diary-Agree 100% (4+ / 0-)

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    Child Abuse, Torture, False Imprisonment, and other criminality should not be condoned as "freedom of religion".  These ex-gay camps always infuriate me to no end.  I just want to rip off the heads of the people who run them and lock the parents up in prison (and I'm a pro criminal leftist...lol).  

    Build the Wilshire Subway!

    by SoCalLiberal on Fri Aug 17, 2007 at 11:47:01 PM PDT

  •  Thank you (5+ / 0-)

    these criminals must be stopped.

  •  One link is worth a thousand allegations. n/t (1+ / 0-)

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    •  Go find 'em yourself (2+ / 0-)

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      As a gay may, I've quit defending myself against assholes like you.

      "When reality bites, bite back!" ~ The Werewolf Prophet, resident loopy guru of Prophecy Street.

      by The Werewolf Prophet on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 01:15:52 AM PDT

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      •  Well, except, the articles are there to be had (3+ / 0-)

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        on the "tubes".  All it takes for passive proof is a few minutes of Googling, for all that a wide-open attack is possible.  The poster you are replying to is guilty of laziness because the truth is not at all hidden, and there is no need to create "proof" except in the self-deluded, but still.

        This diary is like an electric cattle prod to my butt.

        We don't need to defend ourselves to those who will demand proof from self-evident points, but we do need to attack.

        I've been in need of a Daily Kos "project".  Maybe this is it.  The diarist deserves to be commended for saying what needed to be said, but a far more comprehensive, link filled, and no-holds barred attack on the religious right and its campaign to destroy gay people is possible.

        The opposite of war is not peace, it's creation - Jonathan Larson (-6.62, -6.26)

        by AndyS In Colorado on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 01:33:39 AM PDT

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        •  I'm (0+ / 0-)

          gay, and I still believe any and all allegations must be made with the backing of facts.

          •  Facts. Certainly, yes. (2+ / 0-)

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            Everything needs to be backed up with facts.  I agree.

            The problem is, you can have all the facts in the world, and if nobody pays attention, or is unwilling to see the facts for him or herself, it doesn't make any difference.

            So, I am mindful of the question.  What I want to know, is America wanting or willing to hear the facts and judge for themselves?  I really just do not know.  

            To illustrate my point.  What about genocide.  Liberal Americans are all too willing to hear about people of differently colored skin being eliminated.  Liberal Americans are willing to hear about how the poor or lower middle class are persecuted.  

            But my gut tells me this:  America does not want to hear about gay people, their trials and tribulations when it relates to their "gayness" or their homosexuality.  Even on Daily Kos.

            Paul Cameron has been discredited since the 1990's, if not before.  Yet people (that is, reporters) still quote him in newspaper articles as if he's a reliable witness, balance-wise.

            Look, I'm sick of "balance".

            I want facts.  I want the truth.  Whether it is me who delivers it or somebody else.

            I want the fact that religious right people are trying to destroy gay people in a quiet genocide trumpeted from the highest echelons.  That is the truth.  The truth that I see.

            If "you" (that is, the mass media, etc.) will not do it, we will.

            Look at what I say as the harbinger of irrelevancy.  The sole monopoly so-called "Mainstream America" does not have is on the truth.

            If they will not deliver the truth, we will.

            And I do not want to do this.  It is not me, or my schtick.

            The opposite of war is not peace, it's creation - Jonathan Larson (-6.62, -6.26)

            by AndyS In Colorado on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 02:18:34 AM PDT

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      •  Apparently you haven't. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    •  You wouldn't accept them anyway... (1+ / 0-)

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      I surmise that if I had spent the time finding link after link of such occurances, you would casually pass them off anyway. I was not attempting to write a scholarly paper. In fact, many of these ex-gay ministries within Fundamentalist denominations are so "hush-hush" that they would never dare to advertise on the internet for fear of reprisal. If you don't believe the stories I have relayed, then fine... don't believe them. It won't make any difference on the fact that they happened.

      •  You don't know what I'd accept (0+ / 0-)

        and what I wouldn't.

        Don't forget, this and most blogs are anonymous forums where assertions are generally expected to be sourced.  If you chose not to do so, that's fine. But why you would then expect automatic credibility is a mystery.

  •  Absolutely in agreement (1+ / 0-)

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    What I would really like to know is whether these crazy institutions receive public moneys. If they do, it has to be stopped.

    By the way, if you readers are not aware of just how crazy the "ex-gay" movement is, watch the great documentary "One Nation Under God." It's many years old, but still rings true today.

  •  This should be a recommended diary. (2+ / 0-)

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    This topic really gets far less attention than it deserves.

    Ex-gay therapy in the final analysis is nothing better than genocide.  It's not just child abuse, though it is that.

    It is attempting to eradicate homosexuals from a society one way or another.

    The practice ought not only be abolished but the practitioners should go to jail.

    The opposite of war is not peace, it's creation - Jonathan Larson (-6.62, -6.26)

    by AndyS In Colorado on Sat Aug 18, 2007 at 01:03:20 AM PDT

  •  Perhaps (1+ / 0-)

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    someone can explain this to me, because I'm a bit lost.

    One of those laws MUST include a ban on forcing children to undergo therapies which are discounted and even condemned by the American Psychological Association. As has been discussed, the APA will be convening soon to make changes and edits to its current policies on ex-gay or reparative therapies.

    Can someone provide a link to this? I was under the impression that the APA was no longer in the 'gay business,' so to speak, since it took homosexuality off the mental illness disease list in the 1970's.

  •  Great diary! Thanks! n/t (0+ / 0-)

  •  Tons of documentation at ExGayWatch (0+ / 0-)

    This site focuses exclusively on the damage done by exgay therapy. ExGayWatch web site.

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