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Bush nearing political capitulation on Iraq?

Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:08:43 PM PDT

First, let me recommend folks to a blogger that isn't mentioned here as liberally as he should be:

Scott Horton and his blog No Comment provides one of the most consistently excellent forums for critical thinking through international law, the war on terror, and Near East and Central Asian issues.

Horton has an entry today that is well-worth readers' time. "A Change in the Offing in Iraq?" itemizes some recent revelations from Bush Administration insiders that have the "Decider" appearing a little, well, indecisive in his surge slippers.

And, lo and behold, many of the critical reasons for this slouch toward the dreaded realpolitik are (ahem) really political in nature. (Maybe our post-historic Howdy Doody is a "man of the times" after all.)

Key quotes after the break.

The "surge". The GOP hates it:

A major point driving the move has been the Congressional G.O.P. Bush was told that if he pushed a straight continuation of the Surge strategy after this fall, he would lose most of the Congressional G.O.P. One senior Republican Congressional figure is said to have told him that the G.O.P. would be "committing suicide" if it went into the 2008 elections with the Iraq War as the lead issue and no draw-down in sight. Bush has been assured that he can hold the G.O.P. in Congress together with an extended, slow paced draw-down.

Military honchos say it ain't working in most of the country:

Military leaders remain optimistic about their ability to score in the Sunni areas, but they don’t really see tactics which would make much difference in Baghdad and other Shiia areas. They have argued that there would be no benefit from a further ramp-up of forces.

Even a coup d'etat won't do the trick, though not for lack of effort on the part of the Prez:

Continued erosion of the political position in Iraq. Instead of consolidating its position with the greater stability afforded with an increased troop presence, the al-Maliki Government has actually disintegrated steadily on a week-on-week basis. Sunnis have left the Government. And even within the Shiia population, a curiously centrifugal process has been underway for some time. Each of the three major Shiia powerbrokers has lost influence over the last two months. Instead, there has been a steady move to support local, more precisely, tribal leaders. This makes the political position even more amorphous and difficult to manage than it was before. Bush apparently weighed a coup d’état several times which would have installed a more "manageable" leader in Baghdad. His analysts concluded that such a step would produce a more predictable downside than an upside, so it seems to have been rejected.

And anyhow, Bob and Condi say it's okay, George. Draw 'em down:

Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates have been given a go-ahead to begin preparations for a major draw down. The objective will be to dramatically reduce the 150,000 U.S. civilians in Iraq by the time the 2008 elections roll around. There will be a similar, but far slower draw-down of uniformed forces

We got 'em right wear we want 'em, Dick! Just take it slowly. 2008, time to strategeate!

Read the whole thing folks. The pitcher is preparing to throw his change.

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  •  I don't see it (3+ / 0-)

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    Winnie, MadGeorgiaDem, Bronx59

    I don't see Bush leaving Iraq until he leaves office.

    •  And the blog entry doesn't suggest otherwise. (4+ / 0-)

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      Winnie, sodalis, LanceBoyle, slksfca

      It suggests that he'll signal a near-interminable "draw-down" that will have the added political capital of blunting Dem criticism in the race to November.

      'Fie upon the Congress' - Sen Bob Byrd

      by Maxwell on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:21:59 PM PDT

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      •  Deja vu all over again (6+ / 0-)

        How very reminiscent of late 2005, when the air was thick with rumors of a substantial drawdown of troops before the 2006 election.  Surely Republicans wouldn't go into an election without some light at the end of the tunnel....

        Of course, facts on the ground never gave an excuse to draw down troops.  And they won't give Bush the fig leaf victory he so desperately wants.  Bush has dug in his heels so deep the war is dragging him into his political grave.  Republicans have a simple, stark choice:  stick with the sinking SS Chimpy or go overboard and hope for the best.

        Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

        by Dallasdoc on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:33:15 PM PDT

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    •  The Petreaus Report on IraQ will be about IraN (4+ / 0-)

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      Pompatus, highacidity, Bronx59, junta0201

      I've got a hunch that the White House prepared report to be read by Petreaus will actually be on IraN.  ‘Iran is bad m’K.  If we leave IraQ IraN wins m’K.’

      The ‘ah hah’ moment came for me came when I read this Reuters headline:

      U.S. envoy says Iraq report will sound warning on Iran

      BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Washington's envoy to Iraq warned Americans on Thursday that pulling U.S. troops out of the country could open the door to a "major Iranian advance" that would threaten U.S. interests in the region.

      Crocker was making this statement, but the event of 9/15 is known as the ‘Petreaus Report’.    So Petreaus will be parroting a report prepared by the White House....no that’s not quite right.....it will really be coming from Cheney’s office....well actually the NeoCONS in Cheney’s office..........so Petreaus will be parroting a NeoCON prepared report.  And that report will be suggest that we must bomb the shit out of Iran because Iran is bad m’K!

      Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything. Harry S. Truman

      by deepsouthdoug on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:27:13 PM PDT

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    •  yeah I don't see either (0+ / 0-)

      Because there is no direct, abrupt and dire consequence that he can perceive while staying. He simply can't see it. His little head will keep saying "stay resolve".

      GOP total implosion and the raise of democrats super majority is very likely in 2008. After that, GOP will pretty much decimated for the next 8-10 years. Investigations upon investigations.  But Bush is in such deep bubble, he still think God is talking to him.

      But the republican presidential candidate and GOP fund raising operation can see it. They are on the ground. All the numbers are pointing down. They gonna run out of money soon.

      Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

      by fugue on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:28:28 PM PDT

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  •  I'm reading the book Fiasco, and one thing struck (6+ / 0-)

    me in that book: the description of Bush himself as not having decided to start the war, before Cheney gave an unexpectedly urgent and dramatic speech for war.  In that speech, Cheney was emphatic that Iraq had WMD programs and was an immediate danger.  At this late stage, it wouldn't be surprising if Bush feels like the biggest victim in the story.  Or at least, the biggest loser.

  •  This is what the "surge" was for. (4+ / 0-)

    Bush's entire agenda is to preserve his war and his 14 bases in Iraq.  The surge was a political gambit created right after the turnover of congress.  

    Knowing that the new congress would be looking for a victory to claim in the name of ending the war, he unveiled the surge as a decoy.  Now we are fighting over that instead of the war itself.

    It was destined to die.  But it is no great victory for us.

    'I speak, therefore I act' is the great American illusion of politics.

    by snout on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:15:53 PM PDT

  •  Interesting priorities (4+ / 0-)

    The objective will be to dramatically reduce the 150,000 U.S. civilians in Iraq by the time the 2008 elections roll around. There will be a similar, but far slower draw-down of uniformed forces.

    How many of those 150,000 US civilians are mercenaries from companies like Blackwater?  How many are Halliburton "food service" and "laundry" workers?

    Looks like the troops will be given the hot potato that others have created and instructed to hold it.

    What is the likelihood that US troops will not be evicted from Iraq before then?

  •  Easy to see (2+ / 0-)

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    Winnie, crystal eyes

     We will withdraw from Iraq... and the Republicans will get all the credit.

     All because, once again, the Democrats couldn't pick low-hanging fruit if it dropped in front of them on a string.

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:16:15 PM PDT

  •  Slow bleed in reverse? (0+ / 0-)

    He can't get away with a slow drawdown while US casualties stay at 75 to 100 a month. The democrats just say leave immediately. Republican defend slow bleed. I don't see that.  

  •  Dude (3+ / 0-)

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    Demena, londubh, Bronx59

    Pelosi and Reid will be the ones capitulating, no matter how unpopular the Iraq war is.

    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

    by jfern on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:29:48 PM PDT

  •  The foul pitcher (0+ / 0-)

    hasn't thrown one over the plate yet ,  
    so I doubt he will start now .

    "The fussy armchair jackboots"

    by indycam on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:31:52 PM PDT

  •  Scott Horton...a superb writer. (0+ / 0-)

    I used to read his email every day until he went over to Harpers.

    Thanks for the reminder of what an outstanding writer and patriot Mr. Horton is.

  •  Just think... if we get scared enough... (0+ / 0-)

    then Bush could do whatever he wants.

    I'm sure such thoughts have crossed his mind.
    The lead up to November is ripe for terror mongering and manufactured news.

    In a democracy, the most important office is the office of citizen.- Louis Brandeis

    by crystal eyes on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 06:44:13 PM PDT

  •  Not going to happen. (1+ / 0-)

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    Bronx59

    Bush is so wedded to the iraq occupation - he just won't be able to end it.

    Besides, its going to be messy (or rather, even more messy) when the end to occupation does happen. I don't think he wants to be the president at that time.

  •  It will be a phony drawdown, just for show (2+ / 0-)

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    Bronx59, junta0201

    Bush will announce that drawdown of forces has begun in order to preempt the Democrats and salvage 2008 for the Republicans. He has no intention of lifting the occupation; just withdrawing a small number of troops, very slowly-- dragging it out for as long as the campaign season requires. By 2009 I'll bet there'll still be over 100,000 troops in Iraq and Dems won't be able to make a big fuss about it because they'll have almost certainly nominated and probably elected Hillary Clinton, who likewise never intended a complete withdrawal and lifting of the occupation. If the occupation collapses altogether in 2009-- which seems likely, since even the current force level of 150,000 is too small to sustain it-- it will at least collapse on Clinton's watch, not a Republican president's.

  •  Gates may have (1+ / 0-)

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    Dimetrodon

    told the Decider that when the British leave Basra, the road back to Kuwait is effectively closed without razing Southern Iraq. This would tend to tick off Iran, and therefore tend to unite the Shia militias, (All 6 of them at last count) and effectively make life difficult or worse inside Baghdad. Its tough for planners to envision an orderly withdrawal at this point, and that view may be sinking in to the especially thick heads in the White House.  

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 07:35:58 PM PDT

  •  Bush is playing with fire (1+ / 0-)

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    whenwego

    I agree. The plan is to slowly draw down, avoiding both a political and military meltdown, and pray the house of cards holds till November 08. That’s why Karl is gone. Bush needs Congressional Republicans to stay one last course, and the price was Rove’s head.

    Problem is, if I were an Iraqi, and It became clear to me the US is on the way out, I'm going to grab as much territory, oil, copper wire as I can. The question is how long Bush can keep a lid on his mess, and how much blame he can heap on Democrats if they force his hand on the withdrawal.

    संसार Wondering on the web

    by Samsara on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 07:36:29 PM PDT

  •  An even better play would be to wait until Dem (0+ / 0-)

    candidates have already committed to keeping the war alive before pulling the carpet from under them with a small anti-surge. That way, the Dems end up owning it, just like the FISA debacle.

    Well? Shall we go? Yes, let's go. Defeat John McCain.

    by whenwego on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 07:59:41 PM PDT

  •  All's good, Hillary will rescue him. (0+ / 0-)

    According to her, the surge is working. Helluva job, George!

    This message has been intercepted by the US Government. Report all suspicious activity to your dear leader. Fear the non-believers.

    by minorityusa on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 08:41:55 PM PDT

  •  Fat Chance (0+ / 0-)

    Impeaching Cheney will end the war. It's that simple.

    "Never have so few taken so much from so many for so long."

    by londubh on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:56:31 PM PDT

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