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Time For the Dems to Declare Defeat

Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:38:38 AM PDT

There are probably two schools of thought in terms of responses to this diary title:

  1. We should never declare defeat! I must troll rate you now.
  1. The Dems have already surrendered on everything there is, what is there left to declare?

My point here is that the Democrats need to seriously re-think their strategy on the war in Iraq, and they need to do it BEFORE the "Petreus report" comes in September.  And part of that strategy needs to be accepting that Bush is going to do what he wants with troop levels as long as he is president and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it and we should stop trying.  Why? Here's Why: It's all about 2008 now.  Hear me out below the fold.

First off let me state that I hate this war as much as anyone.  Every car bomb in a market brings an unspeakable sadness, every American soldier dead bings a profound sense of loss, every picture of an Iraqi child crying over the loss of a loved one brings tears to my eyes.  I want it to stop.

That said, George W. Bush is not going to end this war, and Harry Reid can't make him.  Atrios has said this so many times I am not going to even bother with a link, but to Bush leaving=losing and it ain't gonna happen.  There are too many hurdles and not enough vulnerable GOP Senators to pass any sort of binding legislation.  Now if Reid secretly has a veto-proof majority in his back pocket all bets are off, but I think this is extremely unlikely, and continuing to try to pass legislation only to get repeatedly filibustered or vetoed is making the Dems look weak.  And even if by some miracle the Senate were to pass sort of binding timeline, and by another miracle the House passes it, and then by some altogether unheard of massive miracle the veto is overridden, Bush would probably ignore it anyway.  Trying to end this war via legislation short of impeachment (which I would favor but that is another debate) is a fool's game and it is time for the Dems to stop playing it.

While on the subject of fool's games, the Petreus report is and will be a sham and the Democrats need to stop thinking that this magical September date will come and all the congressional Republicans will unite and Bush will be forced to change course.  We have been waiting for the so-called moderate Republicans to wake up for six years now, so let's just go ahead and file that under the "ain't gonna happen" category as well.  We all now what the report, to be written by the White House and read by Petreus, will say.  It will say that the surge has succeeded in reducing violence and although political progress has been lagging, there are small signs of improvement.  The White House plans to use the report as pivot point to turn the debate back on the Dems and accuse them cutting and running when we are on the verge of victory.  The cynicism of the Bush administration should not be underestimated:

WASHINGTON: The White House plans to use a report next month assessing progress in Iraq to outline a plan for gradual troop reductions beginning next year that would fall far short of the drawdown demanded by Congressional opponents of the war, according to administration and military officials.

One administration official made it clear that the goal of the planned announcement was to counter public pressure for a more rapid reduction and to try to win support for a plan that could keep American involvement in Iraq on "a sustainable footing" at least through the end of the Bush presidency.

So there will be small troop reductions, probably most or all of the "surge troops" which we all know are coming because the Army has clearly stated that they do not have the troops to support it beyond April:

WASHINGTON - Some 28,000 American combat troops will be withdrawn from Iraq over a five-month period beginning in April, under a plan to be submitted to President Bush next month by Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq.

Petraeus' deputy, Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, said yesterday that the five combat brigades ordered by Bush to "surge" to Iraq last winter would be withdrawn at a rate of one brigade per month. The withdrawal, to be completed in August 2008, would leave about 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq.

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Since then, however, senior military leaders - including Adm. Mike Mullen, incoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - have acknowledged that the surge will effectively end in April because there are no fresh replacements.

The report will be a sham, it's contents already determined.  You know it, I know it and the public knows it.  The Dems need to make it clear that simply ending the surge is not adequate, but legislative strategies to accomplish this are simply a waste of time.  Bush will accuse the Dems of wanting to withdraw right when we are on the cusp of victory which is why he made that ludicrous Vietnam analogy.  Let him keep making it, he is trying to shore up his base, but I don't think most Americans are going to buy the "we should stay in Iraq because we should have stayed in Vietnam" argument.

The debate is no longer about getting out of Iraq in the next year, it is about getting out of Iraq in the next ten years (and beyond) and we need to get out in front of this in order to fully expose the GOP's position on the war.  The hints of this have been around for a while, but the recently reported remarks by General Petreus about staying in Iraq for "9 to 10 years" have shed more light on this.  This is the true position of the GOP base: An American presence in Iraq for 10 years and probably longer.  This is Dick Cheney's vision and it is one that I do not think has much support among the American people.

Therefore what is crucial now and for the next year is making it clear where the GOP stands (endless war) and where the Dems stand (eventual withdrawal of all troops from Iraq).  We need to turn the 2008 election into a referendum on the Iraq war, it needs to be presented as a stark choice to the electorate.  Some elements of this strategy might include:

  1. Any legislation is aimed at the long term, i.e. opposing permanent military bases, withdrawals of very long timelines like 5 years etc. . .
  1. Democratic politicians and other in the Dem establishment need to make forcing Republicans to state their positions on the issues.  If we start asking every Republican "do you support permanent bases in Iraq?" every day the media will eventually start asking as well.
  1. Putting a stop to Bush's dodge of letting the "commanders on the ground" dictate troop reductions.  It is a load of crap.  The commanders are professional military, you give them a job, they will do it.  It is up to the president to decide whether the achievable strategic objectives in Iraq are worth the cost.  He will argue that this is the case, but it needs to be made clear that the decision to keep the troops in Iraq is Bush's, not General Petreus'.

Those are a few thoughts, feel free to add more in comments.

There will be no other issue in 2008 other than the war.  If the Dems fail to make this election a referendum on continuing the war and fail to completely distinguish their position from that of the Republicans the results will be disastrous for the party but, more importantly, for the country.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    Because you can trust me.

    Resistance is NOT futile.

    by Dperl99 on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:37:48 AM PDT

    •  I hate what you're saying... (2+ / 0-)

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      highacidity, luckylizard

      ...because I fear that it may be true.  I will continue to hope my legislators push the Iraq War issue, but you may be right in assessing that tactic as futile.

      Maybe what is needed is more public pressure, i.e. demonstrations.  That's one reason to hope for a draft.  The overwhelming outrage of the American people would make the war protests of the 60s look like a love-in.  Bush knows that, I'm sure, which probably the only reason we don't have a draft already.

      "Fascism should rather be called corporatism, as it is the merging of government and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini

      by revelwoodie on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:45:38 AM PDT

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      •  That might help (1+ / 0-)

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        libertyisliberal

        I agree that it is unfortunate, but my concern is if we get bogged down in futile legislative attempts to pressure Bush two things will happen: 1. we lose sight of the real goal which is to crush the Republicans in 2008, especially the white house since that will be the only way to change course in Iraq and 2. The more the dems fail the more they look weak and, in a somewhat counterintuitive way, end up owning more of the Iraq war.

        I think it would take massive public demonstrations to rally enough Republicans to exert any real pressure on Bush (again as I noted, unlikely to make much difference over the next year).  I'm up for trying.

        Resistance is NOT futile.

        by Dperl99 on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:50:58 AM PDT

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  •  what's your favorite flavor (0+ / 0-)

    of kool-aid?

    typos are often serendipitously appropriate + HowOd

    by lightnessofbeing on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:41:54 AM PDT

  •  The only reason (0+ / 0-)

    I can give for the the pussyfooting by the elected Democrats is they're afraid of whole scale chaos if they smash the Bush Regime.

    Blame God and you'll get away with anything.

    by langerdang on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:42:59 AM PDT

  •  Anything a repulic spokesperson says: (0+ / 0-)

    Is pure bullcrap anyway.
    We need to concentrate on exposing the lies, and gaining veto proof majorities.
    I would also hope that the White House will be in safe hands for the next 20 years after the debacle that is Dumbya.

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:49:03 AM PDT

  •  I'm in the troll rate category (1+ / 0-)

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    lightnessofbeing

    My glass is neither half full nor half empty.

    My cup runneth over.

    Defeat is for people like Ted Nugent and Tom Delay.

    Me? I'm into kicking ass.

    And I sure as hell ain't declaring defeat or even talking about declaring defeat when we have things going our way.

    Going our way you ask in flabbergastation?

    Yes, going our way. Not as fast or as far as we want but we got them on the run and the only way for us to be defeated is to talk like that instead of fighting to make sure we keep moving forward.

    Full Disclosure: I am Chair of the Darius Shahinfar for Congress Campaign Committee in NY-21.

    by Andrew C White on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:50:32 AM PDT

    •  I'm not saying to stop fighting (2+ / 0-)

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      libertyisliberal, luckylizard

      The 'declare defeat' but was to get your attention.  My point here is that the goal now has to be 2008 as we are unlikely to effect any significant change in the next year.  We need to maximize our gains in the 2008 election in order get our troops home.

      I am not saying stop fighting, I am saying fight harder and smarter.

      Resistance is NOT futile.

      by Dperl99 on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:53:40 AM PDT

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      •  Agree ... (0+ / 0-)

        The only way to tend the war before Bush's term ends would be to cut off the funding, and that is too blunt an ax to be usable. Republicans got themselves on the horns of a dilemma: They can't break from Bush without alienating their own base, and can't stay with him without alienating everyone else. Hence their frozen panic.

        It's a historic tragedy that another 1000-1500 US troops and X thousand Iraqis will die because of one man's stubborn folly, but the bitter reality is that there's no effectual means to prevent it. All we can do is put in one of our guys/gal to get us out of this hole.

        The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

        by al Fubar on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 10:12:01 AM PDT

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      •  I'm focusing on 2007 (0+ / 0-)

        and local elections.

        Sorry... don't care for your title line at all.

        Peace,

        Andrew

        Full Disclosure: I am Chair of the Darius Shahinfar for Congress Campaign Committee in NY-21.

        by Andrew C White on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 10:59:41 AM PDT

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  •  Dems going on offense (2+ / 0-)

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    planetclaire4, luckylizard

    before the Petraeus report means they'd have to agree with each other.  
    You are a noble soul, but I'm afraid you are spitting in the wind.

    I don't expect the Dems to break the spell of Bush's curse.
    I expect passionate lip service.

    I hope I'm wrong, but not likely.

  •  IF (1+ / 0-)

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    luckylizard

    The Democrats really want to break defy Bush, they can.  The method was developed by our Puritan predecessors under King Charles I of England: close the checkbook, put it back in the wallet, and WALK AWAY.  The King cannot run a government or a war without money.  And it doesn't require a veto-proof majority to NOT pass a budget.  Only to pass one.  If the Republicans will not allow a budget with meaningful limits on the war to pass, or if the President wants to veto one that passes, fine.  The people will know who's responsible this time, Faux News or no.

    A friggin FIFTY-EIGHT PERCENT of the federal budget (according to info posted on Machievelli's TAXES diary)goes to support the various activities of the Pentagon. Although much of the government would indeed grind to a halt for the duration of the crisis, the nation could cope for as long as several months of standoff.  Most federal employees would continue to come to work in the expectations that once things were sorted out, they'd get paid, and anyway, there's the "service" ethic.  Most contractors are LONG since used to the fact that Uncle Sam is perpetually in arrears on the bills, and they'll get paid when all the paperwork is done ... maybe next century.  What is really, really needed, will happen.  But yes, a lot of the Culture of Corruption would suddenly be off the gravy train, and you could listen to them yelp.  Earmarks for bribes and cash payments under the table tend to get held up when cash is short and oversight is suddenly tight.

    They can do it.  If they really want to.  If they have the balls.  The fact that they haven't done it, just proves to me that the Majority (aside from a few, true men like Kucinich and Feingold)has all the spine of a hydra-headed jellyfish.

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