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This FISA Bill didn't matter - what you do next does

Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:31:45 PM PDT

Hi.

Introductions first. A lot of you know me, some of you don't. If you want to comment on this piece afterwards, before you type, do me the favor of reading this before you start talking about trolling. K? K.

At any rate, I'm like you, and was really pissed at the FISA nonsense. But then I got to thinking about it. I realized then that this bill is not worth my anger at the Democrats...it's worth action, but not anger.

And there are three reasons why below the fold.

1. Democrats were threatened to pass this bill.

Don't believe me? Ask Trent Lott.

   Without mentioning a specific threat to the Capitol, Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-Miss.) ominously advised Thursday that Congress needed to pass changes to terrorist surveillance laws before leaving for the August recess and warned that otherwise "the disaster could be on our doorstep."

   When asked if people should leave Washington, D.C., during the month of August, Lott responded, "I think it would be good to leave town in August, and it would probably be good to stay out until September the 12th."

Maybe not as direct as, 'Vote our way or we let Cheney at your kids', but when you add it up with Bush threatening to hold over the Congress AND the 'actionable intelligence' that something is SUPPOSEDLY going down before 9/11...yeah.

So I don't blame Democrats for being afraid. Hell, these guys are already locking up US citizens in military jails without charge and transporting prisoners overseas for torture parties. What, you think they're going to be nicer to a politician of the other party?

2. The bill sunsets in six months.

You may claim that's a weak reason, but the truth of the matter is, you have a Friedman Unit to organize against another version of this bill. You have until January to make yourself a pain in the neck to your Congress. Use it wisely.

But finally, and the biggest reason of all.

3. This bill means nothing.

I mean, literally, nothing. Hold your retort a second.

This is an administration that has admitted to breaking FISA for years. Glenn Greenwald has been reporting this to you for years.

There is not a single bit of authority in any of this for the absurd and dangerous proposition that the President has the right to violate a criminal law passed by Congress. Period. The Administration is trotting out lawyers to make legalistic arguments designed to cloud this extremely clear issue, but none of that can change the fact that Bush defenders are arguing that he has the right to enage in conduct which Congress made it a crime to engage in, and there is nothing in the law which gives a President that right. To the contrary, as one would expect, it has been repeatedly made clear that under our system of Government, the President does not possess the authoritarian right to engage in behavior which Congress expressly prohibits under the law.

Bush defenders are primarily relying upon cases which said that the Executive has authority inherently under the Constitution to order warrantless eavesdropping on Americans. But that is not the issue, and they have to know that. The issue is not whether the President has this authority to eavesdrop without a warrant but whether it is legal for him to do so in the face of a Congressional law which makes it a crime to engage in such conduct. And none of the authorities they cite conclude that the President has such a royal power. Not one.

This bill is not retroactive. This bill cannot absolve him of crimes committed. This bill doesn't even mean anything to him, because, as we saw in 2001, when they AMENDED FISA for this creature, his administration said it was good as it was:

The reforms in those measures (the PATRIOT Act) have affected every single application made by the Department for electronic surveillance or physical search of suspected terrorists and have enabled the government to become quicker, more flexible, and more focused in going "up" on those suspected terrorists in the United States.

One simple but important change that Congress made was to lengthen the time period for us to bring to court applications in support of Attorney General-authorized emergency FISAs. This modification has allowed us to make full and effective use of FISA's pre-existing emergency provisions to ensure that the government acts swiftly to respond to terrorist threats. Again, we are grateful for the tools Congress provided us last fall for the fight against terrorism. Thank you.

They don't care about the law. Never did. If you took out FISA tomorrow, they wouldn't care. If you strengthened FISA instead, it wouldn't matter. Hell, you could require that Bush appear before the court in clown shoes and rubber diapers for every wiretap and...it wouldn't happen, and they'd still tap. Do you expect different?

So now, we work for January. Or at least I will. Here's what you can do.

Give your Congressman hell.  Impromptu signage outside their office that reads "I support wiretapping Americans! Ask inside!" works real good, too.

Flood your local newspapers. While you're at it, get on your local talk shows and bring this up. Don't try and do national ones. Instead, get your local talk show talking about how many felonies they've committed breaking the LAST law.

Lastly, get together with nice folks like the DFA and see if you can add a body to a campaign involving this - or see if you can get one started.

And with that, I'm off to work. Hope to see you there.

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    •  y'know what? ya gotta point (6+ / 0-)

      and zeroes come for attitude or intransigence.
      Bushco always has and will do as it pleases until forced to stop. That is undeniable.
      I am not mollified, however. The significance of the dem capitulation on this is worse than on the Iraq supplemental - it not only signals further capitulation to a megalomaniac, it abdicates the final defense against the amassing of all real power into one branch of govt small group of men.

      On Liberation Day, 1/20/09, Americans will greet us with flowers and candy

      by kamarvt on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:33:10 PM PDT

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    •  A very zen attitude (3+ / 0-)

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      I agree that we need to look forward.  I also appreciate the clarification regarding the fact that the bill doesn't retroactively legalize Bush's wrongdoing.

    •  My reaction (8+ / 0-)

      1. I'm tired of the Dems rolling over on the basis of flimsy, too-classified-to-disclose threats which are nonetheless used to alarm the public. Why on earth is McConnell or Hayden or anyone else in this Administration given any credence any more?  They're all just shills. And it's all very nice that Trent "Vacant" Lott can leave DC during high threat season, but I have friends and partners who live and work in DC twelve months a year.
      1. Yes, there is a sunset provision in the law, but don't you think that the  Bushies will have another terra threat in six months?  What makes you think the Dems will be willing to stand up against the next blackmail attempt?   Why should Bush back down, when he knows the Dems are more afraid of not passing a statute than he is.
      1. There's no retrospective immunity in this bill, but Congress has now ratified what was previously clearly illegal.  Hard to refuse to reauthorize it on constitutional grounds in six months.

      I can only be mollifed if the Dems use the next six months to hold hearings and force ANSWERS out of this administration about what the NSA is really doing -- everything that it is really doing.  No more bait and switch.  Do you think that will happen?

      So I disagree with you, AR.  But I gave you mojo, because the points you raise are all legitimate questions.  Why would anyone troll rate you for that?

      "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

      by litigatormom on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:31:56 PM PDT

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      •  Call it an automatic defense (1+ / 0-)

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        I'm gunshy.

      •  The accountability phase is over (5+ / 0-)

        for the 110th.  I can't really see how the investigations into past FISA abuse and Gonzales' other perjury problems can continue.  People will ask how is it right to continue to persecute poor Fredo when the Congress has now agreed with the president that FISA wasn't flexible enough.

        When congress (no more capital 'C' from me) returns in September there will be more important things for them to do and they will turn their attention to other matters.

        We've heard the last of the contempt charges, too.  They'll spin this into tacit approval of Bush's overreaching claims of executive privilege.

        This has been a black 48 hour period of our history.  I don't see any turning back now.  Coincidence that today New York City announced plans to blanket Manhattan with security cameras?

        •  Which is, of course, what this entire farce is (2+ / 0-)

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          about.  That is ALL that it was about.  How obvious could it be that this was nothing more than the heaviest-handed and most audacious tactic imaginable to viciously whack the FISA/GOnzales oversight hearings in the knees.  I agree with you that it is likely that these investigations will be permanently crippled.  That is the real affect of this debacle, not that there will be such a greater intrusion on our civil liberties.  And a number of our Democratic Senators fell for it.  It is unforgivable.  Unforgivable.  

        •  Well said. (0+ / 0-)

          I hope you're wrong. I don't think you will be.

    •  I supported Carter and I am still pissed at (0+ / 0-)

      Kennedy and the belt way for trashing Carter the way they did. Just because he was an out sider and just like us!

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      John McCain

      by JugOPunch on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:47:15 PM PDT

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    •  AR, you are making sense. (0+ / 0-)

      And I liked your suggestion about the signage at their offices.

      Did you watch the Wesley Clark keynote?  General Clark urged us to use our influence to change the dialog in the country.  That was your larger point, right?  If so, I agree.

      If we do that, getting better representation from elected officilas would be inevitable.

  •  LOL (9+ / 0-)

    Impromptu signage outside their office that reads "I support wiretapping Americans! Ask inside!" works real good, too.

    Thank you.  First time I've laughed about this whole debacle

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    by dave1042 on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:28:30 PM PDT

    •  Just saw the Simpsons Movie (0+ / 0-)

      Excellent NSA satire therein -- although perhaps not quite as funny as it would have been a few days ago, when it wasn't quite as plausible....

      "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

      by litigatormom on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:33:24 PM PDT

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  •  Good diary (13+ / 0-)

    I'm less inclined to excuse yesterday's vote on the basis of the terror threat, though.

    The entire notion that al Qaeda is planning to attack the Capitol while Congress is scheduled to be out of town doesn't pass the laugh, or the smell, test.

  •  Tell me (4+ / 0-)

    how do we know if something oes matter?

    that particular bit of obfuscation seems to be the general goal.

    Distraction's the name, stealing American treasure's the game, from what I can tell.

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

    by zic on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:29:46 PM PDT

  •  Excellent (4+ / 0-)

    Give your Congressman hell.  Impromptu signage outside their office that reads "I support wiretapping Americans! Ask inside!" works real good, too.

    Flood your local newspapers. While you're at it, get on your local talk shows and bring this up. Don't try and do national ones. Instead, get your local talk show talking about how many felonies they've committed breaking the LAST law.

    Lastly, get together with nice folks like the DFA and see if you can add a body to a campaign involving this - or see if you can get one started.

    I like the sign idea.  And I also like the idea of expressing opinions through local media.  And candidates should think about campaigning through non-affiliated local media and boycott the big media companies.

  •  Under threat? (12+ / 0-)

    That craven cowardice dishonors the blood of every Patriot who died defending the Constitution of the United States.

    Find a better reason.

  •  It matters (11+ / 0-)

    It matters tha they fold and cave and cave and fold....it has to stop somewhere.

    As Greenwald says...

    In the mind of the moderate Democratic Beltway centrist consultant, that is how Democrats look Strong -- by "bowing to pressure" exerted by one of the weakest and most disliked presidents in modern history. There is nothing like being described as "bowing" and "capitulating" to give an appearance of strength.

    Btw....it looks like nancy is at least tryibg to hold the line....maybe wait them out? See who wants a vacation more?

    http://www.cnn.com/...

  •  I disagree (8+ / 0-)

    passing this bill sets a precedent that Bush's impeachable offenses are "approved" by the democrats. Even if the Bill has to be reautherized in six months.  

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    by ctsteve on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:43:10 PM PDT

  •  Right... (6+ / 0-)

    FISA doesn't mean anything because they likely would just violate our Constitutional rights anyway?

    And it's no big deal that the Dems have chosen to cover them in a cloak of respectability while they do it?

    Because Trent Lott said some stupid fear-mongering shit the other day?

    The bar hasn't been lowered quite that far for me yet...sorry that it has for you.

    The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be governed by men worse than themselves. - Plato

    by robroser on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:43:15 PM PDT

  •  btw (10+ / 0-)

    from NYT

    There was no indication that lawmakers were responding to new intelligence warnings. Rather, Democrats were responding to administration pleas that a recent secret court ruling had created a legal obstacle in monitoring foreign communications relayed over the Internet.

    So we can discard that smokescreen as well.

  •  disagree about response to real/perceived threat, (1+ / 0-)

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    but rec'd.  If any of them genuinely believed they were threatened and changed their vote accordingly not only are they cowards, they're ineffectual (I know, I know... this is news?).  If any genuinely felt physically threatened they should have used their power to identify and stop the specific threat, something I doubt indiscriminate wiretapping will do.

    if you're not supposed to eat aquarium gravel, why do they make it taste so good?

    by bnasley on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:48:19 PM PDT

  •  I don't know if I agree with the premise... (5+ / 0-)

    ...of your first point.  Republicans have no problem threatening people to get what they want.  Whether it's increasing the terror alert level before a big election or claiming some imminent threat or taking people's shampoo and toothpaste when they fly, they are acting like gansters with a protection racket.  I don't think it's wise to play along in hopes they don't screw us further because obviously they have and they will, as much as they please.

    second premise:  yeah fine, 6 months.  and in 6 months the president will trott out a whole new threat and if congress doesn't pass an extension president will probably extend it de facto and claim there's a precidence.  Saying the bill expires in 6 months doesn't lessen the impact when you understand that congress has extended or re-authorized other bad legislation that was set to expire (like the patriot act for example, and tax cuts, no child left behind, the list goes on and on).  What is going to happen in 6 months to make this congress any braver in the face of continued "imminent threats"?

    As for your third point, I also disagree.  It makes legal the very actions bush has been doing all this time that was illegal.  It is a hollow victory in knowing that bush has been breaking the law this entire time if no one DOES ANYTHING about it.  It is also no victory at all knowing he will continue to do it now that it IS legal.  Congress is issuing supeonas for investigations that the administration is ignoring as if it weren't worth the paper it's written on.  There is no law in washington anymore.  there is just a president with all the power and a congress that thinks failure is victory.

    The fisa bill in and of itself is not the biggest problem.  That Congress keeps giving this president what it demands when he has clearly shown no good faith and indeed contempt for the constitution he swore to defend and the rule of law for this country, THAT Is the problem!

    Not One Step Back!  that should be our message. This is a step back.  we can argue if it's a small step or a big step, but big or small, our step back is Bush's step forward.  It is not enough to halt his progress, it MUST be reversed.

    You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

    by DawnG on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:57:36 PM PDT

    •  and meanwhile (2+ / 0-)

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      we the people are faced with two options:

      • the republican candidate who thinks all this is a great idea,
      • or the democratic candidate who is afraid to disobey

      The third option is an independed or third party which dilutes half of the democratic vote and hands the win over to the evil republican.

      My god how this country is messed up!

      Remember you're voting for more than POTUS this Nov. when you vote for change! Make the splash big. Vote them all out!

      by pullbackthecurtain on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:02:42 PM PDT

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    •  I appreciate your points (1+ / 0-)

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      but I think what Anderson Republican is saying is - yes, the dems are craven,  cowardly and selfish with this vote.

      But we can work at getting them to step back from the abyss. It will be hard, but it's possible and worth SHOUTING OUR HEADS OFFeven about.

      After all,corporate lobbyist loving Hillary Clinton showed up to Yearly Kos. We have some (though only some) collective power.

      I also feel its WAY past time to put up a primary with Di-Fi (Feinstein) - she is in a liberal district as I understand it and does NOT reflect her constituency.

      McCain insisted [no union member] would [pick lettuce for $50/hour] for a complete season. "You can't do it, my friends."

      by grrr on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:35:32 PM PDT

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      •  I don't like conjecture. (0+ / 0-)

        If that's what he meant, he certainly didn't say it that way.

        He's free to clarify but I was refuting the points he DID make, as he made them.

        You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

        by DawnG on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:53:02 PM PDT

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  •  One thing you're missing (6+ / 0-)

    and it's the most important part:

    The reason it matters is because it demonstrates that the Dems still don't understand what their role is as a co-equal branch of government.  By voting in favor of this bill they just showed that the Executive branch decides how legislation should be written.  And they allowed themselves to be threatened into approving the bill by the executive branch.

    On the contrary, this bill does matter.  It was a clear sign that our government is broken.  It is literally broken.  The executive branch has control over the legislative, and the judicial branch has been filled with Bush cronies.  Make no mistake, this administration is now fully in charge.

    They don't answer to congress and nothing happens.

    They invade other countries under false pretenses and nothing happens.

    He demands more money for his illegal war and he gets it.

    He replaces members of the justice department with his loyalists and nothing happens.

    He breaks the law wrt wiretapping and no one is held accountable.  Some judge declares it illegal so he demands congress call it 'legal'.  They do as he says.

    The only thing that is stopping him from doing much worse things is that he either hasn't thought of them yet or he hasn't gotten around to them yet.  I have no doubt now that he will attack Iran before he  leaves office his term is up.

    Remember you're voting for more than POTUS this Nov. when you vote for change! Make the splash big. Vote them all out!

    by pullbackthecurtain on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 03:59:31 PM PDT

    •  Which is why (2+ / 0-)

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      I'd much rather keep Lamonting our Liebermans and booting out the Republicans in office.

      But I'm done with we anger. As someone a bit more famous said:

      I shall do nothing in malice. What I deal with is too vast for malicious dealing.

      •  Blows will be stronger (0+ / 0-)

        when given in anger.  Passion, while bane of clear thinking, is boon to swift and forceful ACTION.  And it is long since time for ACTION.

      •  F*($%# that! I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going (0+ / 0-)

        to take this anymore! No way am I giving in to these weasels. This is MY country, and they'll carry me out feet first before I let these sniveling fascists win.

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        by Jacques on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 06:09:09 PM PDT

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  •  When the Bully Shoves You, (3+ / 0-)

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    You shove back.  Period.

    The look on Bush's face, and the tone of his voice, during that speech yesterday when he dragged out the Fear Wurlitzer yet again... well, schoolyard bully.

    They need to send him something more reasonable, and let him veto.  If the Preznit calles them back, they come back, and then the hearings can begin, as they need to better understand it, obviously.

    The last minute power play from Bush needs to be answered from the Congress:

    "We are not going on recess, we are going to get to the bottom of why this needs to be revised, and we need to understand the whole of the intelligence gathering process as it has been operated before we can do that."

    Does any wrongdoing come out?  Maybe, maybe not, but at least they won't have potentially done more damage to the Constitution, in the mad rush to go on vacation.  And they will have done their goddamn jobs.

    -- malkin (mal·kin) -noun British Dialect. 1. an untidy woman; slattern. 2. a scarecrow, ragged puppet, or grotesque effigy.

    by Fast Bike on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:22:06 PM PDT

  •  It is so easy for the House to block this! (5+ / 0-)

    All the House needs to do is pass a slightly different version of the bill.

    Require that the Attorney General recite the Pledge of Allegiance before invoking this power. That would be enough to force a conference.

  •  Bah (0+ / 0-)

    No tips and no rec from me.  You make some good points but you're being a bit naive I think.  The sunset provision was added only to deflect the worst criticism and put off the day of reckoning.

    If anyone believes this will expire in 6 months I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

  •  MY 2 cents (0+ / 0-)

    1. this DOES matter....alot
    1. they were NOT Threatened, not at all.   trent lott made a meaningless statement, nothing more....a political statement that got turned into some kind of veiled threat leak...BULLCHIT and those that play the spin game, write PR or do ANY kind of media work KNOW trent lott was just talking out his partisan ass....period
    1. this will not ever see its sunset...an attempt to sunset this in six months will be used as a weapon against democrats in the 08 election
    1. the democrats allowed themselves to be played yet again and they do NOT deserve yet another 'but but they are democrats' free pass.

    as for your call to action...i agree on all of that part.

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    by KnotIookin on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:39:09 PM PDT

  •  They took the bait ... (0+ / 0-)

    the hook is "recess," not FISA, methinks.

    The fact that they did not forego their recess is just fodder for the next Machiavellian moves by Bushco. Wait for the shoe to drop. Bye, bye Gonzales; hello Yoo.

    By the way ...

    There's some interesting reading in the  diarist's link "Trent Lott," both the blog and the comments:

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com...

    And in the comments a link to an intriguing report on a conference in in August in Canada:

    http://thiscanadian.typepad.com/...

    This "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" has been under the radar for quite some time:

    http://www.spp.gov/

    So Bushco's already got plans for August and they surely don't include Congress.

    Very interesting diary. Thanks.

    Against silence, which is slavery. -- Czeslaw Milosz

    by Caneel on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 04:58:13 PM PDT

    •  Recess appointment (1+ / 0-)

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      If Bush wants to make a recess appointment, he'll just do it over the weekend some time. Teddy Roosevelt made a recess appointment when Congress was out of session for only 1 day, so that's plenty of precedent.

      But I don't really see what that would gain him in this case. Replacing Gonzales with a recess appointment isn't going to make Congress any happier, so why not just stick with Gonzales? He won't find a more loyal dog anywhere, and loyalty and subservience are the most important characteristics he needs in an AG for the rest of his term.

  •  If Abu doesn't recall that he did it... (0+ / 0-)

    Then he never did it right?

    Who says nobody learned anything from reagan?

    And where the hell did they stockpile all those arms anyway?
    My left one is aching to beat the band, and needs replaced.

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 05:18:08 PM PDT

  •  I disagree on all points (0+ / 0-)

    although I certainly wouldn't troll someone for stating a rational position forthrightly.

    First, YES, the Dems were threatened.  They were threatened with being present when a "terrorist" attack hit them straight in their fat asses. And they caved.  They can fulminate all they like; when it comes to doing what the lowliest private in the National Guard is now doing every fucking day in Iraq, they were just too cowardly to stand up and fight.  Do I feel any sympathy for them? NOT ONE BIT.  When you take on a job marked "Leader", you agree to stand up and be a target.  Especially if you're asking young men and women to take bullets overseas, you have to be willing to risk the anger of the Emperor.  The ONLY CORRECT RESPONSE to Bush's threat was to stare him coldly in the eye and say "Oh yeah?  Well, if the Capitol blows up while we're impeaching you, we'll know who did it, won't we?"

    Second, the six month limit is hogwash.  Six months is a short enough time that the Administration can easily suppress any inconvenient facts that arise before re-authorization comes up, at which time they'll argue that since Nothing Bad has happened, the powers should be made permanent.  If we've learned anything by now, it's that the secrecy practiced by this Administration keeps things under wraps for a two-year minimum.  We won't have ANY IDEA of the damage done by this turkey until Bush is either scampering out of office or marching down Pennsylvania for his official coronation as President-For-Life.

    Thirdly, the bill does indeed matter.  It legalizes at least a third of the stuff Bush wants to do so he can't be hung for it.  It legitimizes most of what he's already done illegally, because it's hard to hang a man for a law you've changed after the fact because you AGREED that it wasn't working properly. And it makes it much easier for him to argue that the things that STILL weren't legalized are just a LEETLE bit over the line in a "gray zone" that MIGHT have been "misinterpreted".  In other words, it makes spying on Americans, through American communications networks, without probable cause or warrant, EFFECTIVELY AND COMPLETELY LEGAL.  And Big Brother is YOUR Friend, too, Toto.

    So, no cigars.  Every member of the Senate who voted for this bill has declared him or herself more interested in personal survival than his or her sworn duty to uphold and defend the Constitution.  They are traitors.  I understand that some people will consider this harsh and uncompassionate.  And I reiterate: this is LEADERSHIP RESPONSIBILITY. Congress has to learn that wearing the Big Hat and taking the public salary also means taking the bullet or the fall when circumstances require.

    And I am deeply, deeply disappointed in Jim Webb.  Of all the Senate, I would have expected  him to have the balls to face off the Dictator and dare him to do his worst.
     

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