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Time to Reform Education

Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 11:04:09 AM PDT

With the beginning of the school year and the coming debate over no child left behind (NCLB) it seems like a good time to discuss educational philosophy.

I'm going to split this into two sections. What to teach and why teach.

Let's start with the why first.

What is the purpose of education? There seem to be several frequently stated goals. The first reason is that the young need to learn the tools needed to function properly in their society. Let's call this the "3-R's" justification. Exactly what those "R's" are I'll treat in the second part.

A second reason is to teach the young their place in the history and social organization of society. Let's call this the "civics" justification.

A third reason is to teach the rules of morals and ethics. Let's call this the "right from wrong" justification.

Finally, there is the goal which produces the most discord and underlies all the rest. I'll call it the "good citizen" justification. What makes this controversial is that there are two opposed ideas of what a good citizen should be. In the more authoritarian view young people should be taught to obey their elders or leaders. The facts are what are dictated by tradition as laid down by these leaders and the less questioning of them the better a person will get along.

The other (what used to be called "progressive" education) view is that students should be taught how to learn and the actual details of which facts are presented are less important than developing the skills for obtaining and evaluating information oneself. This is the position taken by John Dewey and was the norm for most of the 20th Century in the US outside of overtly religious institutions. This "pragmatic" approach to education has been so successful that no one even discusses it anymore. Everyone thinks it is best to have hands on experiments and to learn by doing. Hardly anyone teaches by rote in the industrialized countries. This is why the contrast with the Middle East is so stark. There the older style of instruction is still the norm in many places.

The last thing authoritarians want is a group of people who don't take their teachings without question. Refusing to accept popular opinions and demanding all the information with which to make up one's own mind is the antithesis of hierarchical social organizations. This division spills over into many areas, from teaching evolution, to the best way to teach reading. The discussions are frequently unproductive because each side doesn't understand the philosophical underpinnings of the other. Dewey emphasized that a functioning democracy needs a well-educated, and questioning citizenry. This is the exact opposite of the design of an authoritarian society. Those who claim to support a democratic society, but act to promote the privilege of the few are being disingenuous. This is as true of conservatives as of libertarians. If you know best and don't trust the general public than you are not a true democrat.

Now as to what should taught.

We see how this division causes the debates between the "progressives" and the "traditionalists". Traditionalists say: "what I learned in school and how I learned it was good enough for me, so why tinker with it?" They feel that the curriculum should be relatively fixed. They are strongly in favor of the testing and rating regime that was formalized in the NCLB program. The standards are set and success is measured by how well students live up to them. There is no place for developing learning skills. The facts are enough.

It is clear that much of the traditional educational path is not working, however. We lack anyone with the stature of John Dewey to renew the debate. So, I'm going to throw out some curriculum changes which could be debated as a way to get people to rethink the curriculum. Other ideas are welcome.

I think that much education still hearkens back to the days of McGuffy's Readers (1836), even if we now use computers and multi-media. First comes the 3-R's. Students are expected to achieve certain milestones at certain ages.

We know a great deal more about how children's brains develop than we used to, but this information is not being used to best advantage. I would start young children (perhaps at three or four) on a second language. This would be taught just like their first language is learned, by conversation. Students can most easily learn languages before the age of twelve, but most schools don't even start instruction until this age or later. We know that bi-lingual early childhood learning works, we have millions of immigrant children who are proficient in more than one language. This doesn't require developing a new group of multi-lingual teachers (something always in short supply in the US), any adult who is proficient in the language to be learned and who can relate to children will do fine. Call it the grandma brigade.

Second, there is a sharp drop in interest in academic learning from about eleven to thirteen. Puberty causes so many sudden changes that sitting still for book learning is the last thing these children want to do. Studies show consistently that scores drop for these age brackets. The solution is to use these years to focus on skills that can be absorbed. This means more physical activity, to help children adapt to their new bodies, it also means more hands-on learning. This is the period where students could be exposed to various trades, from cooking, to auto repair. We have a consistent shortage of skilled craftsmen. Giving everyone an exposure to these options at this age will help those with an inclination or talent to find their calling. The jobs for such skilled workers are not drying up, just see how fast you can get a plumber or carpenter to do a job. Look at the shortages in many industrial trades from driving a fork lift to being a machinist. Health services should not be ignored either. This is the age where children should be exposed to nursing and other allied professions.

During this three year period regular studies would not be suspended, but the percentage of the day devoted to them would be reduced, say, by half. Academic testing for these age groups is also misleading and should be abolished. Whatever traditional instruction is "lost" during this period will be quickly made up in high school when the student's minds are better prepared to absorb the material.

The high school curriculum should be revised as well. Much of what is taught will only be of use to a small fraction of the student body. How many people really use algebra in later life? How many people could better use some financial education on how to budget, plan their savings, and understand contracts? The misplaced idea that segregating children by their natural inclinations or aptitudes ("streaming") is undemocratic has led too far in the direction that we need a one-size-fits-all educational policy. This was put into place as a reaction to the discriminatory practices that were in place before, where minority students were frequently shunted into inferior tracks and not given a chance to take the more rigorous programs. The cure for bad implementation is better implementation, not dumping the programs. Assessment of student's aptitudes and inclinations needs to be made more impartial and removed from the arbitrary control of local officials. This is a case where standardized assessment could play a role.

Finally, we need to acknowledge all the new sources of learning that children are exposed to. We no longer have a nation of pioneers, living in isolation. When a child left school in the afternoon he went home and did chores. His education stopped. Now when a child goes home now he has access to the entire world via the internet and TV. Children know more and they know it at an earlier age. Our curricula haven't adapted. Children with the right aptitude should be allowed to take more advanced subjects in high school. These can be academic or vocational depending upon the student's inclinations. There is little educational value in semester after semester of literature, for example. If the course is taught properly to begin with the student will have learned out to find literature on his own, and how to read it critically. Once again it is the skill set that should be taught, not the "great books".

If students graduated from high school with this additional education (I'm not speaking of "advanced placement") the colleges would be forced to adapt. Courses would also become more challenging and relevant. As everyone in this country seems to believe, education is the key to success, but few want to look at what needs to be done. They prefer to wring their hands and look for someone to blame for the sorry state of education. If you want things to change, don't demand change, make change.

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  •  Feed the AYP gods! (1+ / 0-)

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    They demand live human sacrifices!  And they are angry!

    </snark>

    where's your tip jar?

    "The freeway's concrete way won't show/ you where to run or how to go" -- Jorma Kaukonen

    by Cassiodorus on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 12:52:52 PM PDT

    •  Power Back To Teachers! (2+ / 0-)

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      AYP/NCLB has removed power from teachers and given it to Republican Government Schools! We have a generation of great test takers, but no thinkers...exactly how the Right Wing wants it.
      Give power back to teachers, let them teach to the students....not to the test!!

  •  You would probabably enjoy this link (0+ / 0-)

    about how Newsweek graded the AP tests.  I did. http://preunions.blogspot.com/...

    I am not sure if these tests are connected to NCLB or not.

    •  They're Not (0+ / 0-)

      There is no connection to NCLB. The main point, that Newsweek's rankings are a complete pantload, is absolutely correct.

      McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

      by Reino on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 05:34:38 AM PDT

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      •  You are right. (0+ / 0-)

        I assumed that the NCLB were the only tests being given, except for state testing.  I don't know what AP tests are.  I think maybe advanced placement, but from what main test?

        I realized my mistake and corrected it before I put it on another blog and shuld have corrected this one.

        People should tell what the initials stand for at least one time when using them.

        There are probably some newbies that don't know that NCLB stands for No Child Left Behind.

    •  The May 22, 2006 edition (1+ / 0-)

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      of Newsweek had a letter on page 12 complaining about the replacement at the public high school of "honors classes-where stimulating discussion and debate had reigned-in favor of AP courses, which are never-ending nightmares of test preparation."

  •  An excellent diary. I'm glad (0+ / 0-)

    it was rescued--I agree with a lot of what you have to say here.

  •  I like some of your curricular ideas (1+ / 0-)

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    And your evaluation of the division between progressive and conservative is fairly standard, but I disagree.  Or at least, it misses some very important aspects to what is going on.  

    Another way of viewing things is to notice that the progressives represented the middle class, while the conservatives represent the working and lower classes.  

    In the early 1900s, black students and white students competed against each other in Washington DC in a rote learning format.

    The black students won.

    It was therefore concluded that rote learning was not a measure of intelligence.

    You see, rote learning offers an even playing field.  If there is certain material that needs to be covered, the poor child is just as capable of mastering it as the middle class child.

    This does not suit a middle class that is interested in seeing their children continue in their footsteps in the professions.

    The answer is to make what is valued in education more subtle.  To base it on amorphous qualities of being good at conversing without content --- to base it on how well-spoken a student is --- following a set of etiquette rules that can only be learned from middle class parents.

    The middle class children get As, the poorer kids get Cs, and then it appears fair that the middle class children go on to college, while the poorer kids are sent to technical school or get jobs as manual laborers.

    This is the system that was put into place in the early 1900s.  A system where people can go through twelve years of schooling and feel a sense of self-satisfaction at their ability to have an opinion on things about which they have no knowledge.

    Now, I'm not a conservative.  But a system which ensures that middle class children maintain their positions in society is hardly a system that should be considered "liberal."  It is neither fair, nor ultimately functional.  As more and more working class parents send their kids to college, middle class parents have upped the ante, sending their kids to get masters degrees and Ph.D.s.  How will things look 100 years from now?  Will middle class "children" still be in school in their forties?  

    I hope not.

  •  Very sad this isn't getting more attention (0+ / 0-)

    After 28 years of Conservative Presidents, it's time to give someone else a chance. So, have a seat Hillary! - in Ve-Ri-Tas I trust.

    by imtimmaaay on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 11:22:34 PM PDT

  •  Interesting way of framing the argument.... (0+ / 0-)

    Progressive vs. Authoritarian.  Anyone who doesn't agree with "progressive" education is deemed Authoritarian...how Stalinesque.

    When a child left school in the afternoon he went home and did chores. His education stopped. Now when a child goes home now he has access to the entire world via the internet and TV. Children know more and they know it at an earlier age.

    I dont know about the wisdom of relying on TV and the internet to ensure the right things are being learned by students.

    Furthermore, I highly disagree with the idea that students today know more today and know it at an earlier age.  They may know more about Lindsay Lohan's escapades, but as many know who the third POTUS was.  (but some would argue that such knowledge is rote learning and not worth knowing.)

    We don't teach fundamentals any longer.  We teach nanny-ism:  condoms, balancing checkbooks, etc.

    And balancing a checkbook isn't rocket science, and it certainly has a place in public education.  Perhaps in a 2nd or 3rd grade math class.  But no where else.

    For a nice opposing .... er...Authoritarian view, check this out.

    •  What An Ignorant Link! (2+ / 0-)

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      He complains about weak test scores, but test scores have been on the rise for the past ten years.

      He complains about the suspect literacy of today's young people without mentioning that every generation in the history of humanity has made the same observation. Plato often made the same exact observation.

      He uses graduation rates to demonstrate that today's high schools are inferior to high schools from a long time ago, but the graduation rates are many times higher than they used to be.

      He claims that schools should teach history but not about race and class. As if! He also wants to keep mentions of drugs and sex out of schools despite the fact that the majority of taxpayers want them in there.

      He complains that we are trying to make too many students into college material. Perhaps he would prefer it if people from his family were identified at a young age as inferior intellects capable only of making change, or perhaps he believes his genes are so superior that such an event could never happen.

      He claims that schools used to teach philosophy. How many schools is he talking about?

      He claims that anybody with a master's degree should be given a teaching certificate. Has he thought about any mentoring or student teaching program for new teachers, or does he believe that we are all born ready to teach?

      He says that teachers should be paid like coaches are. I can't respond to that point because it makes me laugh too hard.

      It is possible to argue well against progressive educations, or for a balance between progressive and conservative approaches, but Mr. Hanson hasn't done it.

      McCain, stop saying that you're my friend.

      by Reino on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 05:49:08 AM PDT

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  •  well this is an interesting diary. (1+ / 0-)

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    However I do agree that rote and memorization has it's place but not as the only way to teach. There is progressive teaching and authoritarian styles but a good teacher flows from one style to another according to the objectives of the lesson.
    Somethings are to be learned by rote and drill and some things by work groups, discovery, kinesthetically, musically, outdoorsy, etc.
    Like Marshall Mcluhan, the medium is the message.

    If you want things to change, don't demand change, make change.

    Like all things that are important, reforming education begins in the heart of the teacher.  Whatever the issue is, there needs to be a leader that speaks with clarity about it and draws the line in the sand to change it. That individual takes on the challenge and moves forward in developing lessons that advance innovative instruction. But in the end that teacher need to have courage to stand against his/her administrator and peers.
    Good teaching is exhausting because if you are not running around the room helping kids individually, you are up in the front with direct instruction while getting the distracted kids back in focus. One way to do innovative teaching is to have other teachers/student teachers/aids involved with some type of team instruction.
    It becomes more difficult to teach in progressive ways when you are the only adult in the room with 29 children and can't leave to get more chalk or paper in the middle of a lesson. Then you have to have every little contingent plan worked out so therefore you just stick to the sure thing..... the book.  And even then there might not be enough books.
    Teacher are also aware that with so many interactions with other people's kids, you might not always be a saint so teachers don't like scrutiny of having other people in their rooms.
    Teaching is one of those jobs that always seeks perfection. Perfect bulletin boards, perfect plan book, perfect classroom environment, neat tidy, grade book up to date desk cleared off, papers filed, marked and returned with meaningful comments and evaluation. Perfect disposition.
    When I finally said, "oh well, I can't be good at everything"  is when I finally was able to get a handle on teaching and invite people into my room to help me do the job.
    And what a wonderful time was had by all!
    Teaching in the slums of Buffalo was a release because now everyone agreed that it was hard, there was not much money for teaching them so anything we did that was in anyway some kind of teaching was a bonus.

    And teach we did....... with impunity.  When the vice principal stomped down to my classroom to see what riot was going on and why the desks were not in perfect rows I had to have the fortitude to say, "Oh we are doing a hands on experiment that required the desks to be together." It took a while to win him over but eventually he came around to, "I wish I had more teachers like you." Which was great, but had I been a weaker person and more afraid of "authoritarian types" I might have altered my teaching to please the person that would have make judgments about my teaching for purposes of tenure, job security.
    So teaching takes courage.

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    by TexMex on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 05:55:26 AM PDT

  •  Rote learning (1+ / 0-)

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    is the most effective method.

    The only problem is that it can only be used for about thirty minutes total per day before the mind begins to reach its limit to absorb new material by the method.

    There is plenty of time left in the school day for other types of teaching.

  •  What is an educated person? (0+ / 0-)

    If we were to ask all Americans to answer the question, what is an educated person?  How many different answers would be get?

    With respect to generalities, I think that we could find widespread agreement.  But when in it comes to specifics, we would diverge significantly.

    When states are required to write standards, they tend to describe an ideal rather than a practical, attainable set of learning goals.

    I invite everyone to review the california content standards for 11th and 12th grade English.  I do not think that these standards are reasonable for all high school students.  I challenge college graduates to assess themselves honestly and consider whether they can demonstrate 'mastery' of these standards.

    Don't get me wrong.  I think it would be great if all Americans could, as just one of the nine reading standards requires:

    Analyze recognized works of world literature from a variety of authors:
    a. Contrast the major literary forms, techniques, and characteristics of the major literary periods (e.g., Homeric Greece, medieval, romantic, neoclassic, modern).
    b. Relate literary works and authors to the major themes and issues of their eras.
    c. Evaluate the philosophical, political, religious, ethical, and social influences of the historical period that shaped the characters, plots, and settings.

    I also think it would be great if all Americans could make seven of ten foul shots, swim twenty laps of an Olympic-sized pool and play scratch golf. But I don't think it is attainable or necessary.

    At the same time, we devote no effort to teaching skills that we know the students are going to need.  For example, we do not teach students how to manage their personal finances.

    I guess I am rambling a bit and I admit that I do not have an answer to the question, what is an educated person? that would be more than my personal opinion.  But I do know that there is more than one answer and that the NCLB regime developed by education elites and their corporate masters does not allow for this.

  •  Foreign languages (0+ / 0-)

    The idea that children are like 100GB hard drives ready to be filled with information needs to done away with.

    Foreign languages are most most effectively learned by a combination of three methods: rote memorization, writing, and speaking.

    If you use rote teaching for a foreign language, you can't use the limited tolerance for rote teaching for other things.

    I would start young children (perhaps at three or four) on a second language. This would be taught just like their first language is learned, by conversation.

    You pretty much need to learn the words before you learn the sentences. I can tell you from personal experience language tapes are 99% hell. They have some use for getting the accent right.

    An American doesn't want to have a perfect accent. The last thing I want is to have some foreigner talking as fast as he can. I want him to speak slowly and to choose his words so I have a chance of actually understanding what he is saying. I know probably around 20,000 English words. I might know as many as 3,000 German words and maybe 2,000 Spanish words.

    •  When (1+ / 0-)

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      Exactly when did you start to learn foreign languages?

      How did you learn English? From rote memorization? From writing? Or did you learn to speak first and not learn reading and writing until you entered school?

      I'm afraid your experience, whatever it might have been, is not borne out by practical experience in most of the rest of the world. Young children can learn conversational language at a very young age and in several languages at once.

      For most people having written literacy in more than one language is easier once the spoken aspects have been mastered and written literacy exists in the primary language.

  •  What's missing (2+ / 0-)

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    Your analysis covers nicely the two dimensions that every discussion of education seem to focus on: you've labeled them "what to teach" and "why teach", but it leaves out another dimension that's equally important and too often ignored: what we now understand "education" to be and mean.  Culturally speaking, we live in a society that simply doesn't value education. We value what an education can bring, but not education itself as a valuable system and process.  That is, we deal with education instrumentally, and we have developed very instrumental systems for "evaluating" it.  "Evaluating", of course, is a very different process than "valuing".  

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 12:05:44 PM PDT

    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)

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      We live in a society where everything is measured by money. The idea of learning for its own sake is no longer popular. That's why liberal arts majors are no longer in favor. But remember, many of these courses were designed for the children of the rich who were expected to go into Daddy's business and only needed to learn to be a "gentleman". The rest of us could never afford to do something like that.

      I do think we need to acknowledge this. By this I mean we still need to teach the core of what is expected of an educated person, but, more importantly, we need to give people the tools to educate themselves for the rest of their lives after they leave school.

      We also need to add some practical learning to schooling. People see nothing wrong with attending a trade school when it's called Medical School or Law School, but we also have a shortage of traditional trades. The kinds that used to be taught in vocational schools. We have gone too far in the direction of pure academics. There are many that would find more satisfaction and utility in learning a trade while completing their high school education. The places that have such programs are always oversubscribed.

      NYC has schools for culinary arts, theater and music, needle trades and even aviation. They are very popular. They also insure that the students meet the regular academic requirements at the same time.

      There is even one school which combines high school with community college for kids who can do the work more rapidly. They come out of the program with an AA degree and can go directly into the last two years of college.

  •  #1 reform I'd like: much smaller class sizes (0+ / 0-)

    29 students per class is Just. Too. Many. We should shoot for 20, max.

    Plus, I think one thing that's overlooked in all this "failing schools" hysteria is that children from disadvantaged backgrounds (which comprise the majority in virtually every failing school) need MORE, not "equal" educational attention.

    They need teachers and administrators who are being paid more per student supervised, so that good educators will be more willing to enter "bad" schools. The way it is now, all teachers of equal seniority in a district are paid the same no matter what school they teach in or what challenges they face.

    It's essential to acknowledge a fundamental reality: ANY school with a large population of disadvantaged kids will "fail" at one point or another.

    So to attain and maintain even average results for the students we have to provide EXTRA resources and incentives for the schools whose students are struggling with issues far beyond quietly learning their sums.

    More money for inner city schools and less for the suburbs? Ha. We know how well that will go over with the "My kid's school is fine, screw you" crowd.

    •  The problem (0+ / 0-)

      You understand the problem - it's money. Poor children come from poor neighborhoods. Poor neighborhoods can't provide the revenue based upon real estate taxes to properly fund the schools. The wealthy neighborhoods are not willing to shift some of their funds or to use the general state funds to remedy this.

      In NY the courts have consistently ruled that the cities (especially NYC) are not getting their proportionate share of state revenues. Even when the courts order a remedy the state legislature refuses to comply, or they pass a half way measure and the mayor takes it as the only politically possible outcome.

      We need a better funding mechanism, but I don't see how the voters will ever approve it.

      •  What is the value of education to society? (0+ / 0-)

        We need a better funding mechanism, but I don't see how the voters will ever approve it.

        Like the question I posed above, What is an educated person? the question, What is the value of education to society? is one that has several answers.  Yet we seem to operate as if we have debated and agreed upon one.

        The value I hear mentioned most often is a more competitive workforce.  It is my least favorite but I must concede that the belief in idea that education begets wealth is deeply embedded.  That the American consumer capitalist economy will not permit everyone or even very many people to become wealthy seems to be ignored.

        We never have a thorough discussion of what value an educated population would have for all Americans.  Thus, people tend to be concerned only with the education of their own children.  I must emphasize, not mostly concerned but exclusively concerned with their own.  

        Among those parents who are themselves educated and knowledgeable about the system it is understood that educating one's children is a competitive enterprise; there will be winners and losers and such parents struggle to ensure that their children are winners.  

        With this understanding among the middle and upper middle class, it is hardly surprising that there is no support there for improving the education of working class children.  That is also why there is so much resentment against the handful of special opportunities available to working class and poor children.

        This is not just about education.  Americans, probably as a result of the civil religion of the consumer capitalist economy, do not behave as if they have common cause with all other Americans.  Rather, they are in competition with such people for goods, status and wealth.  This allows them to rationalize the whole spectrum of social and economic injustices, most of which serve only a small portion of the population.  Apart from education, health care stands as a glaring example.

        It has been a very long time since Americans had any kind of national discussion and debate on who we are and what kind of country we want to be.  The discomforts of the post-WWII changes were so great that the entire country seems to be submerged in nostalgia and delusion.

        The odd thing is that our education system, which is  an infected component of the system that produces social and economic injustice, is expected to change or ameliorate it.

        I think we are all crazy to think that such a thing is possible.

  •  Foreign languages - Mandarin (0+ / 0-)

    I like your thoughts on foreign languages, which are best learned young, through immersion and by spending time in a culture that speaks the language you are learning. In our flat, interconnected world of today and tomorrow, foreign languages are ever more important. Mandarin is especially important, given the rise of China and how few of our current citizens speak it. For some languages, like Mandarin and Spanish as examples, we could send high school students abroad for a year to live with foreign families and study the language for less costs than the annual per student costs in a public school here.

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