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Obama: Hitting them where it hurts!!!

Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 04:58:41 PM PDT

Disclosure: I am an unapologetic Obama Supporter and I believe that he will be the next President of the United States.

Alright guys...I haven't written a diary in a while, but I thought that this needed to be discussed. Everyone knows that Hillary Clinton is the front-runner. She is leading in many of the polls, everyone knows her, she has a lot of money, yada yada yada. Everyone also knows that John Edwards is trying to be the anti-Hillary candidate but is not getting much traction because of Obama, which is a reason Edwards made the ridiculous remark comparing Obama's withdrawal plan to Bush's "withdrawal plan":

"Senator Obama would withdraw only 1-2 combat brigades a month between now and the end of next year, which for the next several months could essentially mimic the president's own plans to withdraw 30,000 troops by next summer."

However, I believe that the biggest issue that exists in America today (other than global warming of course) is going to be the one issue that brings them down, and Obama is taking rightful aim at that vulnerable spot in their campaigns.

Jump with me below the fold!!!

No matter what anyone says, Obama has the biggest advantage when it comes to the Iraq War. He was against it from the beginning because he knew what would happen. Just in case you forgot, here's a snippet of his 2002 Iraq Speech:

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

Now, if that isn't clear enough that he was opposed to the war from the beginning, and if that is not clear enough that he had the right judgment and foresight in that going into Iraq was a bad idea, then I don't know what is. Unfortunately, not everyone had that same judgment and foresight in 2002. Every other presidential candidate who was in Congress back then (except Dennis Kucinich) authorized the war. Now, we get a lot of excuses: we were fed lies, the administration cherry-picked intelligence, Tenet said it was a "slam dunk," etc....Well, you know what I have to say...that is their own fault. How can a no-name State Senator from Illinois have better judgment and more foresight than U.S. Senators who actually had the ability to question what was in front of them. U.S. Senators who had "years of experience in foreign policy." U.S. Senators who could have been cautious and deliberate instead of agreeing with what was politically beneficial. I take whatever the candidates say about Iraq now with a grain of salt, because everyone knows what has happened since it started. However, only one candidate for president (again, other than Kucinich) knew that invading Iraq was wrong...and that person is Barack Obama.

Now, Barack Obama made a speech today in Clinton, Iowa, about Iraq, and in my opinion, he is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. While promoting his agenda in regards to Iraq, he is letting everyone know that the other leading Democratic nominees were wrong when it mattered most:

"Conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war," he told supporters in Iowa. "The pundits judged the political winds to be blowing in the direction of the president. Despite—or perhaps because of—how much experience they had in Washington, too many politicians feared looking weak and failed to ask hard questions. Too many took the president at his word instead of reading the intelligence for themselves. Congress gave the president the authority to go to war. Our only opportunity to stop the war was lost."

Obama was right from the beginning and he continues to be right today. No matter what anybody says, no one can change that. I am glad that Barack Obama is running for president and I will proudly vote for him in the primary and the general. President Obama...I can't wait until the day I can finally utter those words ;  )

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  •  NBC Nightly news had a poll of GOPvoters, who to (6+ / 0-)

    trust as a Democratic President, and Obama was on top....

    Maybe I can chase down those numbers.

  •  Straw man? (3+ / 0-)

    I'm so tired of hearing about how Obama was against it from the beginning because he has voted to continue to fund the war, he has not made this stand while he had the power to vote.

    Edwards voted for this war and has been very clear that he was wrong.

    They both ask for withdrawal of troops and the end to this war.  The reason Edwards is attempting to paint Obama's plan similar to Obama's is because he's trying to win the Democratic nomination.  Yes, he's fighting to win the nomination and if this is true:

    From NBC’s Andy Merten and NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan
    Obama laid out his four-point strategy for Iraq today before a packed crowd at Ashton University in Clinton, Iowa. It is comprised of: 1) Commencing in an immediate withdrawal of one or two brigades (3,500 or 7,000 troops) a month; 2) a pressing effort for political stability, with aid from a United Nations constitutional convention; 3) increased regional diplomacy, especially with leaders of Syria and Iran; and 4) humanitarian intervention and financial aid to help stem the effects of current and future sectarian violence.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/...

    Then I have to agree that Edwards is right.  Bring the troops home as quickly as possible without risking their lives.  The more the better.

    Mr. Ellinorianne for California State Senate!

    by Ellinorianne on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:08:46 PM PDT

  •  A Brigade can vary in strength...depending on (0+ / 0-)

    branch of service...from 1500 to 5000 troops.  

    So...what's so ridiculous about Edwards remark?

    The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

    by Persiflage on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:08:56 PM PDT

  •  I would love to hear what some ... (1+ / 0-)

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    ...Obama supporters have to say regarding the Senator's stance on residual troops.

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:09:10 PM PDT

    •  It's a different issue than ending war. (1+ / 0-)

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      Non-combat troops removed from fighting are only "in a war" in that useless branding sense that confuses so much.  

      I'm interested in seeing them removed from the hostilities; whether there are troops sitting way out in the desert or up in Kurdistan is a different issue to be weighed on it's own merits.  In that sense, whether the non-combat troops are "in Iraq" or next door is irrelevant to the war.

      "For a man who will turn 72 this month, he's a surprisingly immature politician--erratic, impulsive and subject to peer pressure"-Newsweek.

      by Inland on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:14:49 PM PDT

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    •  I've really enjoyed reading your posts lately. (0+ / 0-)

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      For me the change in the mission and focus of those troops is more important than their location.  You might be totally right.  But we might need a larger force their to protect the embassy than we think, and I do think we'll probably need some type of force somewhere to chase down the al queda forces that are now in Iraq, we also might need to provide security for humanitarian efforts.  
      What I'm saying is for me personally, it's ending this mission of policing a civil war, and beginning the process of extracting ourselves from this situation.  I'm not impressed with the person that claims they can do it the fastest.
      Anyway, I know you don't totally agree with that, but I appreciate your well thought out arguments.  I haven't been here long, but I certainly appreciate the contributions you make to this dialogue.

  •  I too am against dumb wars (8+ / 0-)

    Not all wars, but the dumb ones.  

    It's abundantly clear that only Obama has both the willingness to use military force when needed and the skepticism to what it can accomplish.  

    I've been becoming increasingly alarmed by HRC's implicit position that the war was good in concept but bungled in execution.  She's still not saying we should never have gone to war, even in retrospect.  She thinks a better president, namely, herself, could have made Iraq turn out allright.  The surge is "too late", she won't apologize for her vote, she's got complaints at a tacitical level.  But not against the invasion itself. That she still supports.

    She's wrong.  Obama is right.  If HRC is president, she'll be viewing every potential war as something a smart president can pull off.  Obama will be looking at every potential war skeptically, like he did this one.  I'd MUCH rather have him in charge.  MUCH.  

    "For a man who will turn 72 this month, he's a surprisingly immature politician--erratic, impulsive and subject to peer pressure"-Newsweek.

    by Inland on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:12:10 PM PDT

  •  I'm tired of this line... (2+ / 0-)

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    Obama defends votes in favor of Iraq funding
    Says he backs troops, not war

    http://www.boston.com/...

    "The Congress will be coming back next week and I think the American people have had enough excuses," Edwards said in a speech at Georgia Southwestern State University.

    "And what the Congress should do when they come back next week is make it absolutely clear: no timetable, no funding," added the former North Carolina senator. "And there should be no further excuses. Congress needs to stand their ground."

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

    Please tell me why he's voted for the funding!  He has fallen for the Republican line that if you cut off funding you don't support the troops.  He's using the same rhetoric that makes it possible for to keep this evil war going.  I want to know who is going to stop it, right now.  RIGHT NOW.

    Mr. Ellinorianne for California State Senate!

    by Ellinorianne on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:23:50 PM PDT

    •  To answer your question (0+ / 0-)

      Bush's megalomania is why. I have said this before and I'll say it again. What no Dem. that has voted for funding wants to admit publicly is that they do not trust that Bush will bring troops home if funding is cut off. How could the Congress enforce that? By entering a war of choice, failing to properly, plan, prepare for the ensuing dynamics of a conqured state and failed society and failing to properly supply the troops, the abuse of their tours of duty, etc Bush has shown that he does not give one good goddamn about the troops. Images of US soldiers without equipment or rations on the evening news is exactly what the administration wants to hang around the neck of Democrats. This becomes an easy way to relive the Vietnam delusion (i.e. The Dems lost Vietnam through their lack of will). Do I want the war to end? Four years ago and as much as anybody. But do I believe Bush will leave the US Army to slowly choke to death in the Iraqi desert for political gain and egotistical fulfillment. I like to to think that Dems critical of the war but still voting for troop support actually do give a damn about the troops and can not think of another way, aside from a veto proof vote, to resolve it. As much as I respect John Edwards and see him as a fitting choice he is not much different from HRC on Iraq. All he has done is admit a mistake that should have never been made and more tragically, the mistake was not made based on a belief in evidence or the wrongness of Saddam Hussein or the belief in bringing Democracy to the Middle East. It was done in consultation with Bob Shrum (0-7) and all for political calculation.

      "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

      by Sansouci on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 07:52:18 PM PDT

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      •  Playing into the Bush's hands. (0+ / 0-)

        As long as we keep falling for the "supporting the troops" line, this war will go on forever. Obama has been playing right into their hands, until he finally figured out back in May that cutting funding is the only way to stop the war.
        People lead by example, not by saying one thing, then doing another.

        •  The Madness of King George (0+ / 0-)

          I hope I am not playing into Bush's hands but where in the record does it suggest that Bush will start pulling troops because the funds dry up? Hasn't Bush shown himself to be the most callous, arrogant, petulant and petty President we have seen in the modern presidency, incl. Nixon. I honestly do believe that he will leave 160,000 US troops broken and bleeding in Old Mesopotamia. I don't like the continued funding but I would hate a US Army dragging ass back from Baghdad, starved and broken, like Napoleon's Army coming back from Russia, sans winter.

          "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

          by Sansouci on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 08:11:54 PM PDT

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          •  If troops died because Bush neglected them, (0+ / 0-)

            that would infuriate the republican base. The only people keeping Bush from facing justice are the ones he would infuriate with a stunt like abandoning our troops in Iraq without funding. Something like that would get bipartisan support for bringing charges of war crimes against Bush.
            Bush may act crazy, but something like abandoning our troops in Iraq without funding would be the same as jumping into Old Sparky. The republican party wouldn't let him get away with that.

            •  I am not convinced . . . (0+ / 0-)

              because the Republican base (Rock solid 25-30%) has unquestioningly believed even the most excruciating lies Bush has told. I have no confidence that they would not go for one more ride on the "Spin-the-Truth" machine. What I am suggesting is that Bush is beyond "stubborn politician" but a seriously disturbed person. He may not be masturbating in classrooms but he should not be allowed around anything resembling power or control over other lives. And keep in mind he is "quacking like a duck," and believes only God and History can accurately judge his actions. He has already (almost) brought the Republican Party to the brink of ruin for a generation. WTF difference does anything mean to him now?

              "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

              by Sansouci on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 09:11:41 PM PDT

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              •  That would destroy the moral (0+ / 0-)

                of our military forever, if America abandoned troops during a war without funding. The republican base would call for his head. The Republican party would never support that, because it would destroy any remaining credibility they have on national security. They won't let Bush destroy the moral of the military.
                National security is the only selling point the republican party has left. If they abandon troops during a time of war, that selling point will be history. They aren't loyal enough to Bush to let him destroy their party and the moral of the military.

                •  Destroying morale? (0+ / 0-)

                  Throwing an army into an unnecessary, ill planned, underfunded, undermanned, poorly prepared theater of fratricidal bloodletting, is not destructive to morale? I agree with your assertion. But this not about what the Republicans will do. It is about what Bush will do and if history is to be our guide, he will do the worst fucking thing possible given the limits of history.

                  "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

                  by Sansouci on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 10:04:06 PM PDT

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  •  Leadership (3+ / 0-)

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    I've seen Obama speak, liked him a lot, and given him money, but I turned down the fundraiser who called this week.  I told him I was VERY disappointed with the lack of leadership Obama has shown on Iraq.  That's called "hitting where it hurts".

    Leadership today doesn't mean just saying what you would do in a year and a half if you become president, or even saying what the president should do today.

    Leadership means exercising the voice you have today to bring about the best result you can today.  I've been very disappointed that Obama has done little except wring his hands about Bush not bringing the troops back.  He did not say anything about the capitulation on funding back in May until the vote was settled and then cast just a meaningless vote against it.  Anyone who wants to be President should have led the way, saying what he thought was right before the issue was decided and trying his best to persuade others to vote the same way.  Back in May, I was really disappointed to see Obama as a follower, not a leader.

    We have new funding bills coming up and it's all well and good for Obama to say what he would like if Bush wouldn't veto it.  What I need to see is a leader who knows that Bush is going to veto what Obama wants and spends his time talking about what to do next.  If Obama wants to sit in the back and say nothing, again, until Bush gets his money with no strings attached that's not good enough for someone who wants to be President.

    Editor of the Harvard Law Review and top 7% of his class vs. Mr. 894 out of 899. How has having a stupid President worked out the last eight years?

    by Tod on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 05:49:43 PM PDT

  •  Obama's food for the political soul (1+ / 0-)

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    Lots of nice sounding words, satisfies the romantic appetite, with experience to deliver nothing.

    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect -- Mark Twain.

    by dcrolg on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 06:24:14 PM PDT

    •  Actually (4+ / 0-)

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      that is my take on the other not-Clinton front running candidate.

      •  Actually, Part Deux (1+ / 0-)

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        I agree. How does John Edwards have a lot of experience in legislation? We forget Obama  has experience in the Illinois State House, that precedes his years in the Senate and passed bills that brought State Senators together across the aisle and I suspect his bill that obligated police officers to video tape felony/capital cases, was a subtle building block to the Illinois moratorium on executions. The President's wife nor a defense attorney does a President make.

        "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

        by Sansouci on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 07:58:23 PM PDT

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  •  Edwards is really starting to sound like an (2+ / 0-)

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    asshat.

    What is his problem?

  •  Their priorities are determined (0+ / 0-)

    by where the commit resources. They can't say they're against something, then vote to fund it. Obama finally figured this out himself back in may, when he voted against funding for the first time. But he waited until the funding bill got enough votes to pass before he voted against it.
    Watch what they do, please!
    I agree with Obama's original position on the Iraq War, but he started voting for it as soon as he entered the senate.
    I don't like Edward's original position on the Iraq war. But at least Edwards voted against the war funding, after he said he made a mistake by supporting the Iraq war and has been a consistent leader against funding this war. The others are finally under pressure to vote against funding, because of the leadership from Edwards on this issue and nothing else.
    We need a leader, not a follower.

    •  Edwards post office mea culpa (1+ / 0-)

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      I don't remember Edwards admitting voting mistakes on the 2004 campaign trail, and granted he cannot diverge from the Presidential candidate's line, but Edwards came out bravely against the very existence of the war after he would no longer suffer any political heat. In short all three candidates are imperfect, and worse, politicians. They do what they think is best to maintain and gain support to win elections. I am not completely 100% happy with anyone. Yet, I believe that these candidates should be seen in more than the Iraq light. I support Obama because I believe his presence will bring something different to DC and he may be able to create a politics that encourage people to work together in good faith. Politics can be and sometimes should be the art of compromise. The question is when to compromise and when not to. We have seen what a lack of negotiation and compromise can do to a nation.

      "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

      by Sansouci on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 08:06:55 PM PDT

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  •  My favorite part of the plan (1+ / 0-)

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    is the reconvening the constitutional convention with the UN actively involved moreso than the 1-2 brigades part. I am extremely interested in seeing if he could pull this off.

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