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"It's one ugly place". Greg Palast, Meyer and Alachua County

Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 09:50:40 AM PDT

I am reluctant to write this diary, as I am rather "thin-skinned" as they say, and the Kos community has shown in their diaries and comments that they  overwhelmingly think Andrew Meyer and his questions for Mr. Kerry were completely out of line and that the police had no alternative than to tackle him, arrest him, and some even go as far to validate the tasering. I have made comments defending Mr. Meyer's rights to ask tough questions and have been derisively attacked. However, after reading a piece last night about an interview with Greg Palast, I must address the issue once again in that light. Follow me across the swamp.

There is no question that Mr. Meyer was rather dramatic and passionate when he was at the microphone questioning Mr. Kerry about what seems to be likely voter fraud committed in the 2004 presidential election. His question about the Skull and Bones society, of which Mr. Bush and Mr. Kerry were members, was a tough one as well. A club which has only 800 living members and only admits 15 members every year under the most secretive of conditions oddly counts Mr. Bush and Mr. Kerry as members. Mr. Bush and Mr. Kerry were both asked  by Tim Russert in the past about it, to which both jokingly dismissed the matter and replied that it was so secret that they couldn't talk about it.

What strikes me as odd as well, is that while most progressive blogs are filled with posts such as A Shocking Moment for Society: Tasering at University of Florida, written by Naomi Wolf, which is highly critical of the actions of the police department, this is contrary to what is expressed by most Kossacks. I thought this was a liberal blog?

I have made comments regarding the UPD (University Police Department) here, and for that matter the GPD (Gainesville Police Department). Corruption at GPD has long been known, and UPD with their minions holding associate degrees in Criminology clearly don't know how to deal with anything more "criminal" than writing a ticket for someone driving 25 mph through a 20 mph speed zone on campus.

No law enforcing organization is perfect obviously, but Gainesville is located in the heart of the Bible Belt country in the county of Alachua. As such, the Good Ole Boy network is firmly entrenched in this town. Winks and nods are the rule rather than the exception. Although there are individual exceptions, the UPD and the GPD will make the facts fit their perception. This is fairly common among other institutions in Gainesville as well.

Last night, I read an article on Raw Story in which the author of that  Greg Palast, author of the tasered student's 'mystery yellow book' Armed Madhouse points to the irony involved in the  incident.
In previous comments I tried to proffer that the context in which this incident occurred must be considered before jumping to conclusions about what might be the motives of Mr. Meyer other than wanting to question Mr. Kerry and the assault which subsequently occurred at the hands of campus police. Indeed interviews with his friends all support the conclusion that there was no planned publicity stunt. The girl in line to whom he gave his camera stated she had never met him, and that there was no urgency about the matter, simply that he would like to have a record of his questioning of Mr. Kerry.

Having said that, the report states:

Addressing Kerry before he was taken away by officers, Meyer cites reports, presumably from Palast's book, about disenfranchisement of voters in Florida and Ohio.

What Meyer was referring to, according to Palast, was a chapter in the book called "Kerry Won. Now Get Over It," in which he says millions of votes cast in the 2004 election were discarded, not counted or prevented from being cast in the first place--a fact the author says has special relevance to the locale of Meyer's arrest.

"There's an entire dimension here that's not being covered here," Palast said of the controversy. "The interesting thing to me as a journalist, is that the [Meyers incident] occurred in Alachua County, Florida, one of the worst places in the country for black voters."

Calling the area the "center of the attack on the black voter," Palast pointed to a 2001 article  he wrote in The Nation which details what he says were efforts under Republican-led state government to purge voting rolls of felons who were convicted in other states--eligible voters under Florida law--almost half of which may be black, according to statistics in the piece.

"It's one ugly place," said Palast, who also added that the police's actions in the Meyer case pale in comparison to intimidation techniques used by authorities against minority voters during elections.

As I have tried to state in my comments so quickly to be derided, Gainesville and Alachua County, although boasting as being the home of the small bastion of academia known as the University of Florida, are not as tolerant of society's more marginal citizens as many would think and share many of the characteristics of the plethora of "red" counties that surround it and make up North Florida.

I am simply stating that this man had every right to ask these questions, one of which dealt with why there is a non-Democratic leader in the White House after losing a popular election in 2000. Many if not most think the actions of this student were "out of line". What about our administration? How many times can "executive privilege" and "state secrets" be shoved in our face before it has become the sad joke that it is. You know they will find some way to let Blackwater stay in the former country called Iraq that is powerless because of America's actions as their Empire's representatives must be protected and the loss of over 1,200,000 lives hasn't troubled them as of yet. Remember that this was a student. They tend to drink a lot, brag, and be generally be obnoxious at times.  They are young and they are the filled with the notion that things can really change if they seize the moment and act on it. I have become more cynical about any drastic change, as the realities of Corporate "Democracy" settle in, but I do appreciate those that would still challenge authority and demand accountability for the current massive mess we're in.

Anyways thank you Greg Palast for speaking about the "ugly" truth of Gainesville and Alachua County, Florida.

PS. I have to pick up my cat from the vet today, so I'll be away for awhile from the computer. Also I've only once attempted to write a diary and remember I am thin-skinned. :) That being said, let the attacks begin!

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  •  A thoughtful diary... (8+ / 0-)

    Thanks for trying to broaden the picture, which I think has been too narrowly focussed on the actions and motivations of Andrew Meyer and the substance of his questions rather on whether it was right to hold a person down on the ground and shock him with a taser.

    I did not vote in your poll because it did not contain this option: "My impression is that Andrew Meyer is probably a well meaning jackass who took too much time at the microphone, but I still don't think he should have been tasered."

    Cheers.

  •  Meyer friend: Meyer still wants question answered (9+ / 0-)

    In a news story from the local paper, The Gainesville Sun, a friend of Meyer's says:

    "To be honest, he's not happy with the focus on the police brutality and
    that aspect of it," said Levy, 21. "His purpose of going to the meeting was
    to ask difficult questions and get answers and get other people to ask
    questions."

    "Obviously, he thinks what was done to him was wrong, but there's much more
    important things to him than to go on a witch hunt against the UPD."

  •  On the difficulty of asking Kerry The Question (7+ / 0-)

    From the Election Integrity discussion group I'm a part of:

    A comment posted by Mark Baber of Bot Works:

    My experience at a town hall in Oregon with Senators Smith and Wyden was that the Q&A facilitators carefully controlled the microphones and hand-carried them to the "next" question.  

    In early 2005, I wanted to ask about the election irregularities, and let the facilitators know I had a question at the beginning of the lengthy Q&A session.  While they non-verbally gestured 4-5 times leading me to believe my turn would come soon, they managed to run out the clock with softball questions about other topics.  I, like Jonathan and probably many others, was also forced to choose between politely and silently accepting that I was being shut out of the dialog and resorting to seizing the microphone at the last possible moment to ask "THE $64 QUESTION".

    I chose the latter.  So, it is with a special sense of "it could have been me", that I watch the videos of the assault of Andrew Meyer.

    People who think that Andrew Meyer behaved inappropriately don't realize how difficult it is to get an opportunity to ask these people the difficult questions in person.  

    Even harder to get an answer.  Note that Michael Moore's home page has a link to the video (caption: "Let me answer his question" by John Kerry, and a link to Kerry's contact info with the subcaption "We're waiting")

    The distraction industry has whittled our collective attention span down so that we no longer listen to a young man try to pose three questions in less than two minutes.

    I hope you'll join me in calling on Senator Kerry to answer Andrew's three questions:

    1. Given all the reports on disenfranchisement and other voting irregularities on Election Day, why did you concede so quickly?;
    1. If you're opposed to war with Iran, why not support Impeachment?
    1. Are you a member of  "Skull and Bones"?

    Carpe microphone!

  •  Meyer had a right to ask tough questions. (10+ / 0-)

    He DIDN'T have a right to cut in line, make a scene, disrupt the event or resist arrest. I don't think he deserved tasering--be he is hardly innocent. MOST people who practice civil diosbedience go limp and force the cops to carry them out.  Had he doen that, or simply cooperated instead of resisting arrest, he owuldn't have been tasered. Bad call on the cops' aprt, bad actions on his.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:05:08 AM PDT

    •  Maybe (3+ / 0-)

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      but the countless "sit ins" or "die ins" or whatever by  thousands of people have not brought their issue to the national forefront. I don't think any of it was pre-planned, I think his outrage over what has transpired over the last 6 years got the best of him, and I think the police could have waited a few moments longer as Mr. Kerry seemed as though he was ready to answer the student's valid questions.

      I've always been very sensitive to the natural world and ashamed of my species for it's treatment of it and ... that's my cross to bear" Joni Mitchell 2007

      by codigo rojo on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:11:09 AM PDT

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      •  AN dmsot of those people practicing PEACEFUL (0+ / 0-)

        protest were carried out after going limp. He didn't. He actively resisted arrest.  SOrry, be he deservd to be arrested, thoguhnot tasered. His outrage doesn't excuse hsibad behavior,a ny more than it excuses the cmapus cops' tasering him. BOTH were wrong.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:57:33 AM PDT

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        •  He wasn't there to pratice civil disobedience (2+ / 0-)

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          He may not even know anything about civil disobedience. Your error is in supposing that he is an activist who was attempting to practice civil disobedience, but doing it badly. What if he is actually just a college student who wanted to ask some questions, and nothing in his life or experience has prepared him for being arrested by the cops?

          We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

          by dconrad on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 01:49:32 PM PDT

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    •  Did you know that if a cop shows up at your house (4+ / 0-)

      and demands identification from you... that you have to  leave your door open and go search in your house for your driver's license?  If you do not provide this, you will be charged with resisting arrest for failing to give your name and you will be arrested. Failure to provide your name and documentation is "resisting" arrest.

      What happens if you are at a friend's house and don't have your ID on you? It's to the point where we are not permitted to exist in this country without paperwork on our bodies at all times to identify ourselves.  Think about that.

      Bloodied 70-year-old woman cuffed for having a brown lawn

      OREM, Utah (AP) -- A 70-year-old woman arrested in a dispute over her brown lawn pleaded not guilty Tuesday...

      Betty Perry is charged with resisting arrest and failing to maintain her landscaping, both misdemeanors.

      She was arrested July 6 after failing to give her name to a police officer who visited her home.

      ...

      "I ask the citizens of Orem: How many of you would like to have your great-grandmother taken from her home with bruises and blood and placed in handcuffs for failing to water her lawn?" attorney Gloria Allred said.

      Geez, people cut in line all the time. Yeah, it's rude, but damn, don't be pulling out those tasers to teach lessons.

      The kid cut in line because the session was at an end and he knew that was his only chance to get a question in. He didn't do it for a prank or for attention.  He made a bold move like some journalists would do in an attempt to get the story.

      Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

      by bronte17 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:53:00 AM PDT

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      •  I disagree about Meyer. (0+ / 0-)

        Period. The End. If this were a  tort case, I'd award contributory negligence half and half.

        And  no, I didn't know that you have to leave the door open--and I agree that the case with the little old lady was handled badly. He hsould ahve informedher of that, or entered the house withher, isntead of arresting her--she wasn't swinging at him, after all. And so was this one. But Meyer was disturbignt he even,, and shoudlahev exited as reuested--or done what we didi inthe 60s: golimpo and make them carryhim out.

        Meyer is an idiot. SO were the campus cops.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:56:11 AM PDT

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        •  You're not getting the bigger picture. (5+ / 0-)

          And that is unfortunate.

          Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

          by bronte17 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:27:38 AM PDT

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          •  Thnao you for the cheezy insult. (1+ / 0-)

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            I DO get the big picture. I am not the idiot you seem to think I am when it comes to first amendment rights.In fact, I care very deeply about them--I WRITE for a living.

            But I would contrast this to Cindy Sheehan being escorted out of the SotU address for wearing an anti-=war T. She went quietly--or sagged. They clearly used unnecessary force there and she was not fighting arrest violently. This guy was. He didn't deserve being tasered, but he DID disturb the peace and resist arrest.  His tactics stank.   I prefer peaceful passive resistance to his screaming and fighting the cops.

            The die-in in D.C. is mroe the style I'd recommend.  And the 200 demonstrtators arrested (wrongly in my opinion) for trying to enter the Capitol and express their opinions to their representatives, didn't scream and fight the cops either.

            Did he have a right to express his opinion and ask hsi questions? Yes. Should he have behaved liek a 5 year old throwing a tantrum? No.  His freedom of pseech is protected. His bad behavior isn't.

            The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

            by irishwitch on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:57:11 AM PDT

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            •  People need training to do civil disobedience (3+ / 0-)

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              Nobody just innately knows how to do that. All the demonstrators you've even seen do it have probably been to countless teach-ins on just what to do and what not to do.

              He would have been far better off not resisting, but it's senseless to compare him to people who have specifically planned and prepared to do civil disobedience.

              We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

              by dconrad on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 01:53:11 PM PDT

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            •  But Cindy Sheehan was at a VIP SOTU event (1+ / 0-)

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              where she did not belong.  I don't know the details, but I'm sure she was probably NOT given an invitation to the SOTU by shrub.  That she was escorted from this speech [before, during or after... I have no clue as I'm not a "Sheehan fan] by the pResident of the United States is NOT the same thing at all.  

              Andrew Meyers was at a student event for students at his university.  A friggin' university where freedom of speech and expression of thought is the foundation.

              The venues and the incidents have no similarities at all.  

              Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

              by bronte17 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 02:11:31 PM PDT

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              •  and it was billed as a "town hall forum" (0+ / 0-)

                Kerry was supposed to make brief opening remarks and then invite questions from the students - his opening remarks were longer than they were supposed to be - as a result of his long windedness the Q&A potion of the "town hall forum" was truncated.  Shame on Kerry & the event organizers for that.  Many students were not allowed to ask their questions because time did not allow for it.


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  •  Thank you for this diary, codigo rojo (4+ / 0-)

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    You've filled in a lot of gaps for me.  This past Tuesday I transcribed Andrew's questions, but I was unable to figure out the county - now I know - it's Alachua County.  Thanks for that.

    One of my favorite diaries about this topic was posted by Valtin yesterday:

    Amnesty International Exposes Widespread Taser Misuse

    There's still about a half hour during which to recommend the diary - I wish you would.


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    •  yw and thanks for the link (rec'd) (1+ / 0-)

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      btw in regards to Alachua county: the name is of Indian origin and I've heard those unfamiliar with it say "ah / lah  / CHU / ah" county with the stress being on the third syllable but correctly it's "ah / LACH /  yu /  ah" county with the second syllable stressed. Details.

      I've always been very sensitive to the natural world and ashamed of my species for it's treatment of it and ... that's my cross to bear" Joni Mitchell 2007

      by codigo rojo on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:29:48 AM PDT

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  •  Please post a tip jar (2+ / 0-)

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    I appreciate you speaking up given that as you said:

    the Kos community has shown in their diaries and comments that they  overwhelmingly think Andrew Meyer and his questioning was completely out of line of Mr. Kerry and that the police had no alternative than to tackle him, arrest him, and some even go as far to validate the tasering.

    It is a disgrace that anyone in the dem. community would condone such police brutality.

    Meyers was removed for no reason other than he asked the "wrong" questions.

    Economic Justice to protect and restore the Middle Class, which is the backbone of America. Real NOT hyped CHANGE!

    by fayeforcure on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:32:24 AM PDT

  •  I too was surprised by the position of many (6+ / 0-)

    who commented on this issue on dKos. To agree that this guy deserved to be electrocuted for his behavior is hard to equate here at a progressive blog.

    But I think those who felt "he got what he deserved" were really in the minority here - particularly among the thoughtful, serious core. Where there seemed to be agreement was that he was an arrogant loudmouth who pushed his way to the front and wasn't smart enough to walk out peacefully when it was clear he was heading for an introduction to unnecessarily violent conflict resolution.

    I don't think there were many who agreed with the tazer treatment. And for those who did, they should get on the business end of Tazer just once for the sake of experience.

    And yes, it's interesting that this incident took place where it did, but these sort of tactics seem to be on the rise all over our great country.

    "Here we are, trapped in the amber of the moment. There is no why." - Kurt Vonnegut

    by Wayneman on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:39:03 AM PDT

    •  I was frankly shocked (10+ / 0-)

      at the amount of authoritarian police state appeasers who damn well came out of the woodwork here to not only defend, but vociferously defend the cops in question.

      As I said on another thread, it was one of those clarifying moments when you really find out about people and how they really are.

    •  Being A Jerk Isn't A Crime (5+ / 0-)

      The event was almost over. The kid should have been allow to speak. The cops overacted.

      http://buddhaglass.blogspot.com/...

      http://buddhaglass.blogspot.com/

      by buddhaglass on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:13:35 AM PDT

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    •  Being a jerk isn't illegal. (3+ / 0-)

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      If it were, we might be able to get rid of the one in the WH.

      And then there's Congress...

      Follow the money. It's getting away.

      by bablhous on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:41:53 AM PDT

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    •  I have been to many candidate forums (2+ / 0-)

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      and I have little patience for people who don't ask questions, but rather use the opportunity to give a speech.

      When this happens in my experience the crowd almost always gets mad at the person asking the question.

      He didn't deserve to be tazered. Period.

      But I find the excuses for him being offered here a little tiresome.

      •  He did ask questions. (3+ / 0-)

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        He asked several questions over a period of 90 seconds. What's the average length of time, would you say, that people take speechifying at those candidate forums you've been to, and how many of them were thrown out for it by the police?

        We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

        by dconrad on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 01:46:12 PM PDT

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        •  not only that (2+ / 0-)

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          Officer Nicole Mallo interrupted student Meyer while he was asking his question (when she interrupted his he had spoke for about 40 seconds)Officer Mallo argued with Meyer while he was trying to ask his question

          from Gainsville.com:

          Though Kerry directed that Meyer be allowed to ask his question, police report that Meyer did not ask any specific question and instead "badgered" the senator, asking why Kerry was not in support of impeaching President Bush when President Bill Clinton was impeached over a sexual act.

          At that point, the officers on scene reported that an Accent director, Max Tyroler, turned off Meyer's microphone and asked police to escort him out of the auditorium, saying "he had said enough," according to Mallo's report.

          From what I've read about the police report, it's a good thing that we have many video records of the event - No.  I don't trust the report.  I prefer to trust my lying eyes.


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          •  sorry about my poor gammar (1+ / 0-)

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            I often don't even see my mistakes immediately.


            I've got to tell you, I'm still thinking about the widespread use of tasers.  It's very disturbing.


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            •  No need to apologize (1+ / 0-)

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              I paid attention to the clock one time when I watched one of the videos, and if I remember correctly in that one Meyer begins speaking at about the :10 mark, and the interruption was at the :40 mark, so I think her interruption was around when he had spoken for 30 seconds, not 40, although at the :40 mark in that video. Again, if I remember correctly, and forgive me for such a minor quibble.

              I have my doubts about tasers, and they are connected to broader doubts about what I would call a "paramilitary" style of policing that seems to have come to the fore. The antithesis of neighborhood policing, which is what we need.

              You're one of the voices of reason, on this and on so many other threads I've seen you on since I've been here. Thank you. Cheers.

              We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

              by dconrad on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 02:58:18 PM PDT

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              •  you're right (1+ / 0-)

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                about the seconds - I just reviewed it again. And if you don't count Andrew thanking Kerry for being at the "town hall" forum - the cop starts verbally harrassing the student twenty-two seconds into his question.

                And thanks for the kind words.  I've noticed and appreciated your comments on this issue.


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  •  who cares? (0+ / 0-)

    the guy cut in line..  

    Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

    by hypersphere01 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:46:36 AM PDT

    •  lol? (0+ / 0-)

      I'm hopin' you be snarkin'


      :-)


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      •  serious (0+ / 0-)

        why does this guy think he can cut in line and get a Democrat to answer about Republican electioneering?

        Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

        by hypersphere01 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 10:58:54 AM PDT

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        •  Because the guy majored in journalism (3+ / 0-)

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          and he knew the session was ending and he wanted to get his story.  So he wasn't a wussboy and pushed up in an attempt to get in before it was too late.

          Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

          by bronte17 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:02:07 AM PDT

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          •  so he should know that he can (1+ / 0-)

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            get his question in at a later time, rather than making a scene..  a scene which would mean no answer..

            isn't that what he wanted? because if that's not what he wanted..  he sure went about it the wrong way.

            so now i don't care..  he is a jackass.  who needs to go ask the republicans about their electioneering.

            Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

            by hypersphere01 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:03:52 AM PDT

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            •  he had questions for Kerry (2+ / 0-)

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              his questions were:

              #1. "how could you concede the election all in a day?"

              #2. "how come you're not saying, 'let's impeach Bush now - before he can invade Iran'?"

              and

              #3. "were you a member of Skull and Bones in college?"


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              •  then he should have waited.. (1+ / 0-)

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                like everybody else.

                if he really wanted answers, then he knew that wasn't the way to get them.

                Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

                by hypersphere01 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:23:12 AM PDT

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                •  Journalists do press conferences (3+ / 0-)

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                  and you have to speak up and try to get yourself in place to ask a question.  It's how it is done.

                  Wilting wallflowers don't get the prize, you know.

                  Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

                  by bronte17 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:30:49 AM PDT

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                •  he did wait (2+ / 0-)

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                  from what I've gleened from reading many different accounts.  

                  First. The event was billed as a "townhall" meeting with Senator Kerry.  Kerry was supposed to make some brief opening remarks and then open the floor up for questions from the students.  Kerry's opening remarks went overtime, and his verbosity resultated in less time for the Q&A.  Andrew waited in line with many other students - the students were told that the Q&A session was going to end.  Young Andrew rushed to a mic to insist that he would have an opportunity to ask his questions.  He was a journalism student at the school and wanted to write a story about the "townhall meeting" with Senator Kerry.

                  If the student had not insisted, he would not have had an opportunity to ask his questions.


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                  •  Why is his right to ask a question (0+ / 0-)

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                    superior to the rights of the people he cut in front of???

                    •  he waited... (1+ / 0-)

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                      until the students were told that the Q&A session was going to end - he rushed to the mic to insist on having an oppotunity to ask his question - Kerry told Andrew he would take his question - so Andrew withdrew - waited for the other student to finish his question and for Senator Kerry to call on him.  If Andrew had not interrupted the other student, the session would have ended without Andrew having an opportunity to ask his question. Yes, he was pushy and assertive.  He's an eager young journalism student.


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                    •  ps (0+ / 0-)

                      I don't think his right is superior to the rights of the people he cut in front of.  But from what I understand, none of them were going to have an opportunity to ask questions.  The Q&A session was ending.


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                    •  Because perhaps he is tired (1+ / 0-)

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                      of being another one of the countless "sheeple" whose US tax dollars have made us complicit, and yes that does include myself and you, in the deaths of over 1 million Iraqis, over 3000 Americans, in the disappearance of billions of dollars gone to crony corporations, in a federal deficit of 9 trillion dollars, in an economy that is on the brink of collapse, and a likely coming war on Iran.

                      We've waited our turn and done and been good law abiding citizens and we keep being told that war is peace, that black is white, unending doublespeak.

                      It's not a question of his rights being superior to those of others, it's a question of living in an age of urgency, when our government has become unaccountable hiding beneath 'executive privilege' and 'state secrets'. When living in extraordinary times, sometimes extraordinary actions are called for.

                      I've always been very sensitive to the natural world and ashamed of my species for it's treatment of it and ... that's my cross to bear" Joni Mitchell 2007

                      by codigo rojo on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:54:01 AM PDT

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            •  So based on the assumption (1+ / 0-)

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              that he made "a scene" by passionately asking questions that nobody else wants to ask because it's beneath their dignity or "impolite" or whatever, when the bombs start dropping on Iran as they did on Iraq, and a million diaries get posted about the outrage and the lies given about nuclear weapons to justify the attack, we can all rest comfortably in the knowledge that "rather than making a scene...a scene which would mean no answer", even though we knew plain well after 6 years of  lies that the rule of law means nothing to the occupants of this WH.

              Kossacks complain about the well-known tantrums of the President, when all he does is prevaricate. And a young student, who is asking a legitimate question in the interest of Democratic voters is held to a higher standard? I guess all of us were too busy being "civil", mesmerized by the boob-tube in the comfort of our living rooms. The "War On Iran" will make for some interesting drama anyhow. Oh and a few million Kos diaries.

              I've always been very sensitive to the natural world and ashamed of my species for it's treatment of it and ... that's my cross to bear" Joni Mitchell 2007

              by codigo rojo on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:32:55 AM PDT

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        •  the questions (3+ / 0-)

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          John Kerry: ...Sir [indicates that that he ready for a question from the student Andrew Meyer.]


          Andrew Meyer: I first of all want to thank you for your time. You spent a lot of time talking to us here today.  I want to thank you for coming and for being open and honest.

          You recommended a book earlier.  I wanted to recommend a book to you.  It's called Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast.


          John Kerry: I have it actually.


          Andrew Meyer: Yeah.  He's the top investigative journalist in America.


          John Kerry: I've already read it.


          Andrew Meyer: And he says you won the 2004 election. [scattered applause] Isn't that amazing?  You won in 2004.  In fact, there were multiple reports on the day of the election of disenfranchisement of black voters in Florida and Ohio.


          Female Cop: [While the student is stating that there was disenfranchisment of  black voters in Florida and Ohio the female officer interrupts] What's your question?


          Andrew Meyer: I'll ask my question.  Thank you very much.


          Female Cop: Right. Ask the question.


          Andrew Meyer:   Thank you very much. I'm prefacing my question. [the cop continues to interrupt and argue with the student]


          Andrew Meyer: I'm gonna inform people and then I'm going to ask my question. So there were multiple reports of disenfranchisment of  black voters on the day of the election 2004.


          John Kerry: Right.


          Andrew Meyer: There was also voting machines - electronic voting machines...that tallied backwards. So amidst all of these reports of phoney, bogus stuff going on, how could you concede the election all in a day? [applause] How could you concede the 2004 election on the day? And in this book it said five million votes that were supressed and you won the election.  Didn't you want to be president?

          I'm not even done. I have two more questions. If you're against Iran, how come you're not saying, "let's impeach Bush now - before he can invade Iran"?  Why don't we impeach him? Impeach Bush. Clinton was impeached for what? A blow job? Impeach Bush. Alright? Also, were you a member of Skull and Bones in college? We're you in thae same [mic is cut] secret society as Bush?  Thanks for cutting my mic.  [Addresses Kerry] Thank you.

          [Meyer steps away from the microphone to listen to the answer and he is grabbed by the cops]






          hypershere01,

          Do you really think that Andrew Meyer desearved to be arrested and tasered for cutting in line so that he could insist on asking a question at a townhall meeting on a university in which he was enrolled as a journalism student?
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    •  Oh hell yeah... let's all just stock up on tasers (4+ / 0-)

      I carry one everywhere I go now.  How 'bout you?  Designer colors would be nice too. Whaddya think?  Coordinate with my cell phone?  

      Zap that scrawny granny cutting in line next time. Bet she'll really dance across that floor.  Or that mother who's preoccupied with her kids and doesn't see my place in line.  Boy, those kiddies will get a real lesson in authoritarian civics when I whip out my trusty taser and taze that mamma.

      /bad snark

      Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

      by bronte17 on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:00:19 AM PDT

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  •  Interestingly, although it was not intentional (3+ / 0-)

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    the mere fact that he had the book with him to which was the basis of his question about voter fraud has given publicity to the book Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast.

    From the Raw Story article about Greg Palast:

    "The book Andrew Meyer clutched in his hands moments before being swarmed and eventually tasered by police-- a "mysterious" yellow book, reported the Washington Post --isn't so mysterious at all: it's the latest from BBC investigative reporter and author Greg Palast.

    Something the WH hardly wants publicized btw.

    I've always been very sensitive to the natural world and ashamed of my species for it's treatment of it and ... that's my cross to bear" Joni Mitchell 2007

    by codigo rojo on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:06:29 AM PDT

  •  Jack Palance? (2+ / 0-)

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    What did ol' one-armed pushups say in his interview?

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