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Race, Gender, Bigotry, and the Presidential Primary

Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:21:55 PM PDT

An argument one can occasionally hear being made runs like this: a woman or a black man would enter the general election for the Presidency at a disadvantage due to (supposedly) widespread misogyny and racism. Under this logic, of the top three, being a white male, John Edwards is presented as the best candidate. This argument was made in a particularly irksome troll diary the other day, and a little digging uncovers it elsewhere on the internets.

There are many, and many good, reasons to support John Edwards, as I do. This, however, is not one of them, for the simple reasons that it's morally reprehensible, that the candidate disdains it and that, lastly, it's not supported by actual polling data.

Details over the fold.

Bigotry is a fact of American life and in American politics. It is an affliction both to its victims and its practitioners. Most certainly, it's not a phenomenon confined to our place and time. Over a century ago, Victor Hugo wrote this:

Superstition, bigotry and prejudice, ghosts though they are, cling tenaciously to life; they are shades armed with tooth and claw. They must be grappled with unceasingly, for it is a fateful part of human destiny that it is condemned to wage perpetual war against ghosts.

The essence of bigotry is dehumanization and depersonalization; the Other becomes objectified and categorized. This, as Hugo says, we must struggle against, certainly as Progressives. It is morally poisonous to base a self-willed choice, such as a preference in a primary, on surrender to the presumed worst instincts of others.

Notably, this is not a moral capitulation John Edwards endorses. Asked about precisely this during the YouTube debate, he replied:

"Anyone who won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman or Obama because he's black, don't bother voting for me. I don't want your vote."

Most importantly, the perception that Americans have reservations about the idea of a woman or a person of color in the Oval Office are severely overstated. To be sure, there are people who hold these views; there just aren't enough of them to make that much of a difference, and several other factors present higher obstacles to a candidate from a disfavored group. The Pew Center conducted a poll in the first half of August to get to the bottom of this perception. It shows that there are quite a few traits inherent in a candidate's persona that will disincent a slice of the electorate from voting for them.


"Regardless of the specific candidates who are running for president, we'd like to know how you generally feel about some different traits. First, would you be more likely or less likely to support a candidate for president who [see below], or wouldn’t this matter to you? How about if a candidate [see below]?"




More likely Less Likely Wouldn't matter Trait differential Combined positive/neutral
Is a woman 15 12 72 + 3 87
Is black 9 6 84 + 3 93
Is Hispanic 9 15 75 - 6 84
Is Mormon 5 25 66 - 20 71
Is Muslim 3 45 49 - 42 52
Is an Evangelical Christian 19 16 60 + 3 79
Does not believe in God 3 61 34 - 58 37
Is Catholic 13 7 79 + 6 92
Is Jewish 9 11 79 - 2 88

Source: Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas. Aug. 1-18, 2007. N=3,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 2.

There are some methodological issues with this poll, chief among them that there is no explicit control group - it is implicit in the poll's design that a white, Protestant, heterosexual male polls at the baseline 100%, which is probably why there is no control question on whether those traits would make anyone more or less likely to vote for someone possessed of those attributes - and what is known as the interviewer effect.

The interviewer effect is a well-established variable in the social sciences, and is defined in laymen's terms as the influence on responses of being asked questions by a live person. In face to face or phone surveys, respondents tend to give answers seen as socially desirable due to a measurable impulse to gain the approval of, or to not offend, the person asking the questions. Given the odium attached to admitting racial or gender or religious bias, it's likely that these results don't give a completely numerically accurate picture of actual attitudes as far as candidate race and gender are concerned.

There is, however, an inadvertent control variable embedded in these poll results, and that is attitudes towards Catholics, given that the last Democratic nominee, John Kerry, was Catholic. Based on the (untested) assumption that bias against Catholics would affect Kerry's results to the same degree as bias against women and minorities would affect those of Obama, Clinton and others, comparisons can be made on the effect of inherent traits on comparative electability. Let's take another look at that data, also including Hispanics on account of Bill Richardson.



More likely Less Likely Wouldn't matter Trait differential Combined positive/neutral Kerry differential
Is a woman 15 12 72 + 3 87 - 5
Is black 9 6 84 + 3 93 + 1
Is Hispanic 9 15 75 - 6 84 - 8
Is Catholic 13 7 79 + 6 92 -/-

From that, we can assert that John Kerry started out with a pool of 92% of Americans from which to draw votes (the poll does not screen out registered or likely voters, and for the purposes of this analysis, that pool is assumed to consist of individuals more likely to vote for a candidate or who say a given trait makes no difference in their voting preference). A black candidate very slightly outperforms that number with 93%, within the margin of error; a woman at 87% underperforms it, just barely outside the margin. A Hispanic at 84% significantly underperforms, which is frankly something of a surprise and not, as far as I am aware, a subject of public discussion.

Also of note is that belonging to a specific demographic group doesn't necessarily only create a burden for a candidate. For both women and blacks, the balance between those who say they're less likely and those more likely to vote for such a candidate is actually slightly positive at 3%, meaning that for both, the percentage of respondents more likely to vote for such  candidate is higher than that of those who will not. This balance is more positive for Catholics, slightly less so for Evangelicals, slightly negative for Jews, slightly more so for Hispanics, and rises into double digits for Mormons, Muslims and Atheists.

There are several conclusions to be drawn from this. First, gender, religion and ethnicity have a definable impact on electability, as do presumably many other factors not a part of this survey, such as military service, socio-economic status, educational attainment, sexual orientation and so on. However, and notably, those factors do not diminish the pool of persuadable voters below the 50%+1 threshold for any of our top candidates. Equally, all of these generic factors - being a woman, an African-American, and a Hispanic - leave a larger pool of voters than does being an Evangelical Christian, respectively, 87%, 93%, and 84% versus 79%, let alone being a Mormon at 71%, a Muslim at 52% or an atheist at 37%. Clearly, there is bias in the American electorate, even strong bias; it seems, however, that there is something of a perception gap in the kommentariat as to where that bias is directed.

It's my belief that John Edwards is the best general election candidate, based on a combination of his persona and his issues platform, and to a far lesser degree on the fact that the last three Democratic Presidents were Southerners. I have significant reservations about Senator Clinton, arising in part from her staggering negatives; it's not apparent to me how one can get oneself elected when 45% or so of the electorate say they would never consider voting for one. This, simply put, has never happened. As far as Senator Obama is concerned, there are some legitimate concerns to be voiced about his experience and leadership skills at this moment in his career, though conversely, I think he will be President one day.

However, none of these weaknesses, as I personally perceive them, of the other candidates stem directly from their race or gender. Obama is as electable as John Kerry, even slightly more so; Hillary, slightly less, but her being a woman does not, based on the hard polling data, preclude her from being elected.

If any of these candidates fail in the general election, it won't be because they happen to belong to a given socio-demographic group. It will be because of other factors. As you make your primary choices, by all means, consider whichever factors you wish in making that choice; but race and gender shouldn't be among them.

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  •  Bigotry. (11+ / 0-)

    I'm against it.

    And there we are, the beautiful; eating from TV trays, tuned in to Happy Days.

    by MBNYC on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:15:56 PM PDT

  •  Good analysis. (4+ / 0-)

    I'm still hung up on the animus there polls are revealing towards non-believers.  Guess there's a reason non of our candidates eschews church-going!

    Given the odium attached to admitting racial or gender or religious bias, it's likely that these results don't give a completely numerically accurate picture of actual attitudes as far as candidate race and gender are concerned.

    Apparently no one is worried that the interviewer will think worse of them for hating atheists, even if they must tolerate Jews, Catholics, and Mormons.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:25:20 PM PDT

    •  True. (3+ / 0-)

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      Nobody should make the claim that the electorate is free of prejudice, because it's demonstrably untrue. But what this probably reflects is that stereotypes diminish over time. As there are more unbelievers, and more Muslims as well, I expect the negative perceptions of them will degrade to the level of those against blacks, women and so on.

      And there we are, the beautiful; eating from TV trays, tuned in to Happy Days.

      by MBNYC on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:27:55 PM PDT

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  •  Well written diary. (3+ / 0-)

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    Agree with most of your diary other than who is the best candidate . . . I'm an Obama supporter.

    Also disagree with the questions on his experience but I will save that discussion for another diary.  But I agree with the conclusions you've drawn and John Edwards get his support, I'm sure, based on issues and platform.  I hope we all start leaving Southerness and an immeasurable indicator like electability back in the past and start becoming a forward thinking party again.

    •  Being from the south (2+ / 0-)

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      and electability are both factors, but they're cultural in the former and rational in the latter case. That's a discusion that can and should be had, I think.

      But as I said, who they innately are does not present a barrier to election for any of our candidates. And if you look at the bias against unbelievers and Muslims respectively, there's your answer s to why Hillary is painted as an atheist, and why the right went out of its way to spread the 'Obama is a closet Muslim' storylines.

      And there we are, the beautiful; eating from TV trays, tuned in to Happy Days.

      by MBNYC on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 03:31:03 PM PDT

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  •  a quibble (0+ / 0-)


    I don't think the comparison with Kerry at the very end is a proper one.  The numbers now are very like a few points more liberal/less bigoted than they were 3 years ago.

    Nor, do I think, counting Kerry as Catholic is quite accurate.  Every partisan Republican I know knew of his partial Jewish ancestry, and some even knew that Teresa's ancestry might be in part marrano.

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    by killjoy on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:04:56 PM PDT

    •  Depends. (0+ / 0-)

      I think we are seeing a rapid shift in societal attitudes, but the point of comparison with Kerry is methodologically valid on its own terms, I think.

      And there we are, the beautiful; eating from TV trays, tuned in to Happy Days.

      by MBNYC on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:28:58 PM PDT

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  •  As Edwards supporters we need to repeat this (3+ / 0-)

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    over and over again. The "electibility" argument is not one of race. For me, it is based on Edwards' strong fundraising numbers outside of traditional Dem geographic areas and his favorable polling against GOP candidates.

    None of this has anything to do with the "let's elect the white guy and play it safe" argument, which is a specious one at best.

    Thank you for writing this!

    "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

    by grannyhelen on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:17:03 PM PDT

  •  The attempt to be fair-minded at the end actually (1+ / 0-)

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    reveals a staggering flaw of the diary. In an attempt to give reasons OTHER than sex and race not the vote for Clinton and Obama, the diarist offers this problem with HRC's candidacy:

    I have significant reservations about Senator Clinton, arising in part from her staggering negatives; it's not apparent to me how one can get oneself elected when 45% or so of the electorate say they would never consider voting for one. This, simply put, has never happened.

    Please tell me you are not so naive as not to realize that the entire reason why Senator Clinton has such staggering negatives is THE FACT THAT SHE IS A WOMAN. More specifically, when HRC was running with her husband in 1992--and especially after she started working on health care--right wingers used her femaleness to attack her and portray her as a grasping, ambitious, domineering, lesbian, shrill, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, b*tch.

    It is a FAR easier thing to slime a woman's reputation with a few well-placed sneers and raised eybrows than a man's. No mean-spirited attack on Hilary's character, principles, or qualifications will be made without including a veiled or explicit reference to her femaleness. And that's a big source--I would say the overwhelmingly major source--of the high negatives she faces among the general public.

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    Btw, I'm not a big HRC supporter; I'm more of an Obama supporter. And, yes, all the attacks on him will include veiled references to his blackness or (supposed) Muslim origins. Ask Howard Ford if it's possible for a Black man to run without some sort of racist attack being launched against one.

    •  Disagree. (1+ / 0-)

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      You may have or probably have a point that the negative perceptions of Hillary on the right are rooted originally in her gender. However, the critiques of her not rooted in gender seem to be stronger, more compelling, and more widespread.

      But that's not the question the poll asks or I discuss. Me, I think she's a poor candidate not just due to her persistent negatives, material though those are, but for other reasons having to do with both politics and policy. But that's another diary.

      And there we are, the beautiful; eating from TV trays, tuned in to Happy Days.

      by MBNYC on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 05:25:43 PM PDT

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  •  It is a pity that none of these polls (2+ / 0-)

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    ask the important question:

    Would you be more or less likely to vote for a Chinese-American ?

    That would be more telling.  This is a year that has a Woman, a Black (Mixed) man, and an Hispanic.  So to ask someone if they would be more or less likely to vote for someone of those categories - you are necessarily asking if the specific candidate should be discarded for that fact.

    If you really want to know if people are going to let race or gender to sway their vote: ask them in a year where the group being inquired about isn't represented.

    Ask about a Chinese or a Hermaphadite.. see if that doesn't show underlying prejudices in the society. If someone isn't willing to vote for a Chinese American due to ethinic background - then I'd rather they didn't pretend that they aren't racist.

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    by Yoshi En Son on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 04:44:12 PM PDT

    •  Valid points. (1+ / 0-)

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      Like I say, the poll clearly shows that there are biases in the larger electorate, some of them strong enough to hinder someone's election. My premise is that while these exist, they aren't widespread enough to stop any of the top contenders in and of themselves.

      The poll question does ask people to answer the hypothetical without considering candidates running. Whether that's realistic or effective is another question, but we have to take the data we're presented with on its own terms and with its inherent limitations.

      And there we are, the beautiful; eating from TV trays, tuned in to Happy Days.

      by MBNYC on Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 05:21:02 PM PDT

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  •  A very, very important diary (2+ / 0-)

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    Geekesque, MBNYC

    And thanks for highlighting that poll, which I hadn't seen.

  •  Great diary (1+ / 0-)

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    MBNYC

    Just getting to it now.

    I wonder, though, whether being a sitting U.S. Senator is an actual detriment to one's candidacy, as opposed to the race and gender canard.

  •  Actually, I think it is high time that we run (0+ / 0-)

    a woman and/or a racial minority for the presidency and/or vice presidency. Especially after eight years of Bush/Cheney disgustingness, we need a reminder that all Americans are valued. The way the rethugs have handled the issue of Hispanic immigrants, the disproportionate number of racial minorities who have died in Iraq, the Katrina debacle..... let alone the Jena Six.... are all examples of how racial tensions have sadly increased due to Bush's lack of leadership.
    Likewise, women's issues have not been handled well by this administration, though I would say there has been somewhat less outright dismissal and snubbing of women by the rethugs.

    If we run a ticket with AT LEAST one woman or one racial minority, it will send a strong message about the identity of the Democratic party: we are inclusive, we are bold, we represent ALL Americans.

    Actually, I would love to see a ticket with both the Prez and the Vice slot filled by a woman or a minority. Two hundred and twenty years of white males is enough. Let's send a strong message.

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    Unfortunately, though I really believe in the PRINCIPLES I just wrote about, I don't really want to see HRC as the nominee for pres because of her philosophy and her stands on issues. I think she would be a really great vice prez, but I'm not sure that's in the cards.

    I used to think Richardson would be a great nominee for Prez, but ..... well, I think we all have gotten a littel frustrated with his bumbling campaign.

    I still like Obama. I would love to see him as either Prez or Vice.

  •  Race, Gender, etc (1+ / 0-)

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    I think anyone who isn't a white man understands the full extent of prejudice/bigotry that actually exists in society.  The vast majority of people will never admit to being prejudiced or bigots, but their actions speak louder than their words.  People are not going to express their true feelings in these areas, even in an anonymous poll, so I question the results.

    As a woman, I would love to see a woman elected President, but I don't think Americans are ready for that. Hilary is hated because she was not a traditional first lady like the first & second Mrs. Bushes, Pat Nixon (closet smoker who never smoked in public - Oh, my wouldn't that have been BAD!), Jackie Kennedy and so on. After all, First Ladies, much like children, should be seen and not heard.  The Evangelical Movement has championed keeping women in their proper places, subjugated to their husbands - the true head of the household.  

    If Hilary is the Democratic nominee, I feel strongly that people who absolutely hate her will vote..against her.  There will be people who would not have otherwise voted, just to make sure she doesn't win.  Her nomination will doom us to another Republican Presidency.  And, although as a woman and a feminist it pains me to say this, I don't want to vote for her.  I don't believe she BELIEVES in anything; or that she will stand firm on any issue; or that she has integrity.  I do believe that John Edwards is a sincere and principled person.  I believe in his honesty and his desire to improve the lives of all Americans, not just the rich and the privileged.  

  •  Excellent. Thank you for sharing! (1+ / 0-)

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    :-)

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    by ScottyUrb on Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 10:03:52 AM PDT

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