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The "I Told You So" Prediction Diary

Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:38:47 PM PDT

I would like to put forward my predictions for the next 13 months, and hope others join in with theirs.  I do so for 2 reasons, one practical, and one quite vain.

The practical reason is that I'd like some empirical evidence on who knows what they are talking about around this blog, and who is FOS.  Now of course, even the smartest person can be dead wrong on a prediction, and being right on one, or even a few, is not proof of intelligence, but it in general, over time, and over many instances, being right now will tend to show who will be right in the future.  With this, I'm taking the long view:  We will have to strategize for elections in 2010, 2012, and so on, and so on.  The vain reason is quite obvious:  I'd like to tell some verbose users on here that they don't know what they are talking about, and have some proof

I wish we could put our predictions in an envelope and seal them in a vault until Wednesday, November 5, 2008, but that would take tons of coordination, effort, and not to mention, money.  A diary is much more practical, except that our predictions will be out in the public now.  The potential of a shit-storm is high, as is potential embarrassment.  But nontheless, here goes.  I encourage others to post their predictions on the nominees, VPs, presidential electorial score, the makeup of the House and Senate, and any other stuff you'd lke to throw in. Then next November, we can open up this diary, time-stamped and dated, and see who has some prognostication savvy, or at least, just got lucky.

So here they are, my best predictions on the Elections of 2008, not as I wish they would happen, but made as if my life depended on them being right.

  1. Hillary wins the nomination, and chooses Bill Richardson as her veep.  Her strategists pick him to solidify gains in the Hispanic vote, and see a possible opening for Dems in the Mountain West states.  Al Gore does not enter the race.  Biden, Dodd, Richardson, & Gravel drop out in late January.  Edwards drops out in late February.  Obama and Kucinich stay in the race to the end.  There is a mild uproar when Obama is not picked as VP.
  1. Giuliani wins the R nomination and chooses as his VP a midwestern Representative with conservative (but not too much) credentials, and a long resume of Washington-insidership. Look for John Boehner or someone similar.  
  1.  Giuliani/Boehner beat Clinton/Richardson 300-238 with Wisconsin and New Hampshire switching to red from the 2004 election.  All other states vote the way they did in 04.  A landslide is narrowly averted as Michigan and Pennsylvania are slight victories (less than .05%) for Clinton/Richardson.  Hillary holds on vs fellow New Yorker Giuliani 51-49 in NY.
  1.  Senate makeup  D - 53 (including Lieberman)  R - 47.   House makeup  D - 238   R - 197.  Dems expect to pick up many more, and are surprised on election day.

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So there are my predictions.  In case any HRC supporters think I am an Edwards or Obama supporter, my Dem nominee preferences are (in order 1. Clark  2. Feingold  3. Gore).    Since my state is way down the primary list, I don't think I'll have a choice, so I'll just support whoever the D nominee is come November.

My wife and I worked our butts off for the Democratic Party in 2004, again in 2006, and plan to do so again in 2008 and into the future.  But as someone who lived 8 years under Rudy in NYC, and now live in rural Indiana, I am astounded at how lightly people take him on this blog and elsewhere we discuss politics.  He is viewed as a hero to people out here.  We may know that its BS, but "the people" don't.  And anyway, they elected a drunk, coke-using draft dodger in GWB, Rudy looks like a saint compared to him.  

Sorry these predictions are such a downer, but that's how I see it, as of Sept 27, 2007.

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  •  Tip Jar: (15+ / 0-)

    Next year, starting around March, and going right through November, will be the time to hold our tongues in criticism of our candidate, and our party.  It will be time for some serious closing of ranks and hard work to get Dem victories.

    This year, Now, is the time for debate, including criticism of candidates, so as to get the best possible candidates and platform for our party, and the best possible government for our country.

    •  I really hope you're wrong about Gore (5+ / 0-)

      I predict that if he wins the Nobel, he declares and we all win, baby!

      "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." John Lennon

      by trashablanca on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:36:41 PM PDT

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    •  are you sure NM won't turn blue (0+ / 0-)

      with freakin' bill richardson on the ticket? back to your calculator!

      from bulgaria, with love

      by memofromturner on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 04:42:21 PM PDT

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    •  BONER? Giuliani picks BONER? (2+ / 0-)

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      Why? Because he likes Boner's eyemakeup?  Yuck.

      Listen, as someone who has disliked Rudy longer than many people on this site have been alive (I'm talking 1981, when Rudy was Raygun's Associate AG for Immigration), I am fully aware that there are lots of people out there who still think he's St. Rudy of 9/11.  

      Our job, should we decide to accept it, is to make sure that the electorate knows the truth about Rudy.  We form a PAC called NYC Residents for Truth -- or Slow Subway Riders for Truth, or People Who Knew Rudy When -- and make sure that people know the "real" Rudy.

      The man is dangerous. It's not the cross-dressing, it's not the press conference to dump his wife, the attempt to get the mistress into the mansion while the wife and kids are still there.  It's not even the threats to the Brooklyn Museum for art he doesn't like.  It's the crappy radios of the first responders that never got fixed, its the advice about the emergency command center that he ignored so that he could have a private love shack for Judy within walking distance of City Hall, its BERNARD FRAKKIN' KERIK, it's the blaming of victims of police brutality for being close to NYPD officers while black, it's the refusal to talk to African American leaders, it's the petty, vindictive leader who surrounds himself with yes-men and toadies, the term-limited mayor who tries to extend his term post-9/11 because only HE can lead us out of the rubble --- all this and more.  

      Will you join me in my quest?

      "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

      by litigatormom on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 05:40:55 PM PDT

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      •  Absolutely (1+ / 0-)

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        litigatormom

        The point of this diary is not what I want, but what I think will happen, at this point in time.

        For months now, I've seen Rudey taken too lightly on this site--right up to the most front of front pagers.

        We've seen out here (Indiana), people literally holding their hands over their ears when we've told them about Giuliani.  "Stop it, he's a hero to me.  I don't want to hear this stuff."  And this was a Democrat.  You may write off Indiana, but we have witnessed full on Rudey-worship in Hawaii and Oregon as well.

        My wife and I have FIRST HAND experience with the Quality of Life Task Force, as well as the Cabaret Law. (and that stuff is chicken shit next to what you listed.)

        We need to get motivated as if we are 20 points down, not be pre-celebrating our supposed victory, and poopooing the other sides chances.

  •  geez, I sure hope she doesn't pick Richardson (15+ / 0-)

    He has foot-in-mouth disease.

    But it's an interesting prediction.  I hope you don't have to say "I told you so".

    You're like the drummer from REO Speedwagon. Nobody knows who you are.

    by Plutonium Page on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:34:25 PM PDT

  •  John Edwards, Max Cleland win it. (3+ / 0-)

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    Giuliani/Boehner? And they WIN????

    Party at Rex's. Drinks and crack provided...

  •  Boehner on a ticket...?? (1+ / 0-)

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    Dean Martin's demeanour with Jerry Lewis' hair.

  •  I'm thinking McCain Again (0+ / 0-)

    I disagree with every single word out of his mouth, but Rudy is entering Mit pandering terrority with his changing views on abortion, gun rights, supreme court, etc.  He has a lot of skeltons in the closet that are going to come out.  

    I'm thinking McCain because he is loyal and the 30% bushies vote in primaries and he is consistant (wrong), but consistant.  

    And I think Hillary would pick Clark.  Netroots like him and he has military experience that may help with men.  

    "The woman's life is misery; for God's sake, people, at least give her a few good songs". NYT review of The Color Purple

    by arogue7 on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:41:41 PM PDT

    •  Clark would be a great choice (0+ / 0-)

      but Hill will need to appear to be "wearing the pants".  She will choose someone more "bookish"

      •  it will be fun to see what choice she would make (1+ / 0-)

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        Rex Freedom

        If she makes a pick like Clark, she shows she is strong and confident enough to pick a strong choice.  As B'wildered points out, there is a strong arkansas connection which could be too much.  

        If either Hillary or Obama is the candidate, I think all past rule books become moot.  If Obama is the candidate, i'm trying to decide who would be a great VP for him.  Some like Dodd could be good VP for him.

        "The woman's life is misery; for God's sake, people, at least give her a few good songs". NYT review of The Color Purple

        by arogue7 on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:56:52 PM PDT

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        •  If Obama wins (0+ / 0-)

          he will be riding on an "end Iraq" wave.  Dodd has good credentials in that respect, but I think that Clark might be the best for him.  Obama would never have to worry about being overshadowed by Clark (like I think Hillary would), but he would bring real tactical seriousness to any Iraq discussions, and some experience on the world stage.

          •  Obama never worry? (0+ / 0-)

            He would never have to worry about being overshadowed by Clark?  I think you give Obama too much credit or Clark too little.  His foreign policy and military experience would, even by accident, overshadow anything Obama would say.

    •  I'd like Clark too (1+ / 0-)

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      but isnt that Arkansas overkill. Surely that will be Bill and Hill's to carry.

      While sympathetically I'm for Gore-Kucinich or Gore-Feingold... if it is Hilary.. I'd save Clark for Sec. of State.

      If it's Evan Bayh... we're just "consumers".
      That's why I think it would be Bayh. sigh.

  •  Tip for ballsy predictions. (4+ / 0-)

    Good on you.

  •  Okay, I'll play... (3+ / 0-)

    I agree with diarist that HRC will win the Dem nomination (not by my choice, but nonetheless she will) and will pick Richardson for VP. Other very possible VP picks include Salazar, for the same reasons the diarist gave for the Richardson pick, and Clark.

    Romney will win Republican nomination, but as for a VP choice I've not a clue. McCain would be a strong choice for him, but I don't see McCain taking a VP offer. Gingrich?

    HRC defeats Romney in the general.

    Senate goes more Democratic: 54-45-1.

    House does too: 241-195.

  •  Ok Nostradumbass ;-) (1+ / 0-)

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    Rex Freedom

    Will my stock portfolio rise with the election of a Democrat to the Presidency, or will it fall due to the election of another fucking ridiculous, stupid-as-hell, dumber-than-thou, happy-to-appoint-konservative-activist-judges-to-the-supreme-court, unlawful wingnut?

    Or, will it stay the same?

    Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21

    by funluvn1 on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:54:35 PM PDT

  •  Sure I'll play (1+ / 0-)

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    1. Obama becomes much more outspoken next month, Gore endorses him, he wins the nomination and chooses Blanche Lincoln.
    1. The Republicans cast Giulliani aside and goes with Romney, primarily because his hair told them to do so and they are convinced it was actually God who told them. I have no idea who any of them would choose as a Running Mate - but I'll take a shot and say that he chooses Rice.
    1. Democrats win in a landslide, and the Republican party fractures between the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives, with Giulliani giving face to the Fiscal Conservatives.
    1. Prior to the 2008 elections, when it becomes apparant that the Democrats are going to steamroll the Republicans, Lieberman will wish he was up for re-election because he'll know that he's going to be marginalized. My guess is that he'll start becoming even more vocal about domestic issues - which he is pretty liberal on, and less vocal against Iran because he knows that his ploy to get the US to sanction and Israli strike against Iran has failed....

    Flowers Bloom for my Ex - though Honeybees are pretty cool too.

    by Yoshi En Son on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:58:18 PM PDT

  •  omg.... I don't want to think about this it makes (2+ / 0-)

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    my head explode......lol

    It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. Ansel Adams -6.5 -6.75

    by Statusquomustgo on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:59:06 PM PDT

  •  Hillary wins nomination.... (3+ / 0-)

    does not pick Richardson...I think it's ludicrous to think that she wouldn't be conscious of the fact that being a woman is already a big question mark with the electorate to go ahead a pick a minority VP. I think she will either pick Clark as VP (which I hope she'd do) or Vilsack.

    I predict that McCain resurfaces but is just too late--Romney takes the nomination and picks Huckabee as his running mate to get the Bubba vote. He still loses MA by 25 points.

    I think it would be a close election, but ultimately I think Hillary might pull it off by 2 or 3 points if she picks Clark.

    "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

    by michael1104 on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 04:00:06 PM PDT

    •  This is close to mine (0+ / 0-)

      Hillary wins the nomination, picks Clark as VP.  All other candidates join ranks and support the ticket.

      McCain and Rudy savage each other in the primaries, Judy appears on Oprah and discusses how much testosterone Rudy has despite his prostate cancer, America vomits in unison, Romney is nominated. Chooses Mike Huckabee at the last minute as VP rather than Fred Thompson because one of his aides remembers that the Reverend Dobson hates Thompson. GOP now led by candidates who believe in magic underwear and creationism.

      Hillary causes meltdown of Romney's positronic brain during debates. Synthetic hair aflame, Romney repeats over and over, "Sterilize. Sterilize." Clark effortlessly makes Huckabee look totally out of his depth in foreign policy debate, and clamly destroys his credibility on scientific research and church/state separation without pissing off the right wing.  Too much.

      Clinton/Clark win all states carried by Kerry in 2004, plus Ohio, plus New Mexico, plus Colorado and Arkansas.  Clinton appoints Gore Secretary of State, Edwards Secretary of HHS. General Shinseki becomes Secretary of Defense.  Dodd becomes Senate Majority Leader.  Obama stays in Senate and builds impressive list of legislative accomplishments, positioning himself for nomination by acclamation in 2016.

      "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

      by litigatormom on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 06:03:12 PM PDT

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  •  I predict an air strike (5+ / 0-)

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    on Iran's defense and energy infrastructure in late October or early November.

    "You can't negotiate with reality" - James Kunstler

    by Bob Love on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 04:05:12 PM PDT

  •  More importantly... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...what does Miss Cleo predict?

    When the oak is felled the whole forest echoes with its fall, but a hundred acorns are sown in silence by an unnoticed breeze. -Thomas Carlyle

    by Caldonia on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 04:06:30 PM PDT

  •  Clinton-Richardson (0+ / 0-)

    beats Gingrich-Schwarzenegger by carrying Ohio and New Mexico.  

    Sure, Arnold can't serve as President if Newt goes away, but he can serve as VP, no? And Republicans will need something daring to try to win next year.

    Okay, I'm prolly wrong, but if I'm right I want to an Official Dkos Genius Award. With glitter.

    "You can't negotiate with reality" - James Kunstler

    by Bob Love on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 04:17:42 PM PDT

  •  Well, I called R nom for Rudy in March (1+ / 0-)

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    Loonesta

    for diaried reasons.  HRC is leading in polls, today, without any particular reason for anyone to like her beyond the fact she's leading in the polls.  Everything else is a guess.

    Offshore Oil/NatGas is our Strategic Reserve. Save it for when the rest of the world runs out.

    by Inland on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 04:18:21 PM PDT

  •  I predict (2+ / 0-)

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    gmb, Yoshi En Son

    that Hillary and Fred Thompson will be the nominees.  Most of the voters will be so disgusted that they will stay at home, with a "surge" of write-in candidates - Obama, Gore, and Ron Paul who will get almost as many (write-in) votes as the primary candidates.  

  •  Well, might as will go with fantasy! (7+ / 0-)

    1. After picking up his Nobel Prize in late October, Al Gore enters the race. This instantly sends Biden, Dodd and Richardson packing.
    1. Gore wins big in January, and Gravel and Edwards quit after polling below 5%.
    1. After Super Duper Mega Tuesdays, Gore is online to win the nomination. Dennis and Hillary never quit tho, and Obama goes to Gore's camp as the VP to be named later.
    1. By March, Hillary is outof the race, Dennis is gonna stay in as an issue candidate.
    1. Ticket: Gore/Obama

    On the Republican side:

    1. Giuliani win the nomination, but not after Romney knee-caps him in December. Paul and Huckabee stay in the race till the end.

    Deciding he needs to soften his ticket for the South and religious folk, he picks Huckabee as VP.

    So Gore/Obama vs Giuliani/Huckabee.

    In a rare act of backbone, the general election cycle is dominated by Giuliani's war lust, failed record on 9-11 and debacle of a term as mayor of New York by a Democratic media war room.

    Gore's platform of Reason for Peace and Prosperity catches the imagination of the American public.

    It gets ugly on Nov 8.

    408-130, Gore/Obama are elected. The lawyer brigades set up by the Democratic Party catch Republicans behaving badly at the polls.

    Riding on the new backbone of the party, and campaigning on the recordof the sitting Republicans, the Senate goes to D - 61 (including Lieberman)  R - 39. Since they now have cloture proof majority with 60, Lieberman is told to sit down and shut up.   House makeup  D - 278   R - 157, especially since the previous spring they stood up to Bush.

    Of course, for this to happen:

    1. Gore must win the Nobel Prize
    1. The Democratic Congress has to stand up for the party ideals starting today.
    1. The Democratic Party will have to run an aggressive campaign instead of their usual reactionary stance.

    It can happen, but maybe only on fantasy island.

    Your Candidate/Hitler 2008

    by pinche tejano on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 04:30:37 PM PDT

  •  I'll play (3+ / 0-)

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    Hillary winds the nomination. She picks Richardson as veep. The dollar continues to decline, this sets off what appears to be inflation in the US but is actually dollar depreciation. Theoretically this should transfer manufacturing to the US. But that can not be done overnight. Employment begins to go down.  The stock market keeps flying all over the place. Mortgage foreclosures keep expanding. The numbers of former homeowners living out of their cars increases. The roads begin to look like something out of The Grapes of Wrath. By late summer, people have the quesy feeling that we are in a depression.

    In Iraq, there has been a Tet like offensive on the Green Zone and airport. Military fatalities are high. What remains of the army has had to abandon Bagdad. The US presence is as diminished as the army. Bush continues his policy of surging but has no troops to do it with. The surreal nature of our adventure in Iraq continues, with a core group of Republicans still supporting Bush.

    The Republicans continue their tradition of choosing the most senior leader as nominee: Newt Gingrich. He generates excitement among the faithful. With his running mate Brownback, Newt begins a mudslinging campaign.

    By this time, the remaining moderate Republicans bolt for a new party. Lincoln Chafee and Christy Todd Whitman run on a new party. In a few states they are the official Republican candidates, not Newt.

    Hillary begins her campaign, Democrats are singing Happy Days Are Here Again. Richardson campaigns heavily among Hispanics touting Su Vera Casa, La Partia Democratica. The election is not a landslide but the Democrats gain solid majorities outside the South. The margins in the Senate get to the magic 60; the House is a little better.

    The Republican Party is no more. There is a surviving rump that still holds power in Dixie + Utah. And the new party throughout the rest of the nation. Northern and western congresspeople are in a panic, no clear path emerges for them.

  •  Hey and the Yankees won't make the playoffs... (1+ / 0-)

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    ChaosMouse

    But yet they did...a lot can happen between now and January and I think the same thing that is happening to Hillary with candidates and some in the media going after her as she is the front runner and they want this to be a real race will also happen to Rudy.  I don't think he is quite as "good" as she is in letting things slide off and he will lose his cool one of these days.

  •  What the heck (0+ / 0-)

    It's impossible to predict, but I'll guess, wildly:

    Edwards wins the D nomination, and picks Hillary or Obama as a running mate - the choice will depend on which one come in higher in the primary.  I'll flip a coin and guess: Edwards/Obama 08. The Republican ticket will be Romney/McCain - because I'm guessing (and because I think Rudy will blow it somewhere along the line). Despite media trashing of Dems and election shenanigans, the Dems win.  The right then launches into full-on propaganda war to blame the Democrats for the mess they inherited from the Republicans. In another 8 years, the American people's lack of long-term memory, and a corrupt corporate media, sets them up to fall for the R's lies again.

    We'll see how good our predictions guesses are soon enough.

    It is no worse, because I write of it. It would be no better, if I stopped my most unwilling hand.

    by ChaosMouse on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 05:46:04 PM PDT

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