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What is labor worth?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 07:12:36 AM PDT

This weekend as I carry a pager for my job and have worked at least eight hours dealing with whatever happens when it goes off, we're celebrating Labor Day.  I was thinking about work, and my own family's history, and whether or not I am better off than my grandparents were.  Specifically my mother's parents, since we were closer to them growing up than to my father's parents.

Superficially I am better off.  My spouse and I own a home (with the bank), and we've got a lot more house, in a high cost of living area, than they could have managed at this point in their lives.  We have plenty of money to spend after paying our bills, and we're both in high-paying careers- my grandparents were teachers.

Follow me below the fold to read more about them, and more about why I'm not sure I'm better off.

My grandmother and grandfather met in college in the early 1930s at the College of the Pacific in Stockton, CA.  Both are native Californians- he was born in Tulare, and she was born in Morgan Hill.  His father was a travelling salesman, while she came from a long line of teachers.

When they met, she was a student and he was a Teaching Assistant, working on a graduate degree.  They met, fell in love, and married.  They had two girls and a boy, though their eldest girl died in childhood.  They both taught, she starting once the children were old enough- he taught high school science, and she taught middle and high school history and social studies.  They bought a house, raised their children, travelled as a family.  Eventually they retired, and continued to travel; they sold their house and bought another one closer to where their children had settled, and lived out their lives in comfort in a home they owned.

They worked hard- he winning awards for teaching rocketry, and she keeping things going at home after a day's teaching.  They definitely had the habits that they learned as young adults during the Depression.  They would keep clothes for years and years (my grandmother's sewing box was often out when I visited).  They would save tin foil, and you never saw anyone be more careful when unwrapping a package at birthdays and the holidays than my grandmother- it became a game to try to get the tape off without damaging the paper underneath.

I can't say that we're that frugal and green as they were, though I don't toss out containers if I can recycle them for other uses, and we do sometimes re-use wrapping paper, because it's now an inside joke my family lovingly shares.  I have a sewing basket, and I do mend things when I can, but not to the same extent that my grandmother did.

They travelled the world- from the months long trip to Europe in 1955 with their two teenaged children, to trips to Russia, India, South America, Japan after their retirement, not to mention going all over the country with their trailer in tow.  I got the bug from them, and have taken a few trips myself and with my spouse.

They had two children- we don't yet have any, and may never do so.  So we haven't had to scrimp so that the children will have music lessons, or go to camp.  That may be in our future, for all we know.

One thing they had, and knew they had, was a pension from the teachers' association for their whole lives.  It even gave a modest amount to help with funeral expenses, and a token amount to their two children when my grandmother died.

What we have is 401k (with some employee matching) and IRA retirement savings, as well as whatever additional money we can scrape together, and possibly Social Security will be there for us, as it was for them.  We should be able to retire comfortably, when we get there, though probably not at 55, as they did.

So we probably are doing as well as they were, by those measures.

Here's the kicker, though- we're both in IT, in good jobs that pay very well.  Could we ever hope to do as well if we were both teachers?  I don't think two teachers could buy a house anywhere near here nowadays, could travel the way they did, could put two children through college, could retire at 55 and live comfortably for decades and still despite assisted living at the very end for a few years, manage to leave a tidy sum to their children.

It used to be possible to live well and be respected as a teacher, to work until 55 and not worry about health insurance or running out of money, because society supported and valued that.  What does society support and value now?  I wish I could say that the same things are valued, but I can't see it, and it frustrates me.

As this is a political blog, I will close by saying that we can work to bring those values back, if we work for candidates who share our views.

Poll

How do you think you're doing compared to our parents' or grandparents' generation?

11%3 votes
23%6 votes
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30%8 votes
11%3 votes
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  •  tip jar? (6+ / 0-)

    I'm working off and on, so I may not be here much, but I hope you enjoy the story.

    •  There are a lot of things that you discuss in (0+ / 0-)

      your excellent diary that hit home for me, and I would expect for many others here. What matters is what you take from your past experiences and then pass down from generation to generation.  This includes, obviously, the good and the not so good.  Life lessons are like that.

      I would consider we are better off in some things today.  I would also say that they took more time back then to contemplate decisions that affect their lives.  We seem to react immediately due to our fast paced lives these days.  

      It's a matter of perspective, don't you think?

      Another day, another devalued Dollar. -6.00, -6.21

      by funluvn1 on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 07:23:46 AM PDT

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  •  Financial stability is certainly (0+ / 0-)

    a comparative measure of then versus now, but there are so many others.  I think overall quality of life includes some things you've not highlighted.  Sorry, I can't stay to discuss.  Enjoyed reading your thoughts.

    The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

    by Persiflage on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 07:20:49 AM PDT

  •  No (0+ / 0-)

    My parents were "comfortably" well off, as they say in the midwest.  When my husband and I married, we thought if we ever made as much as my folks, we would have it made.  Their dollar was worth almost three times what our dollar today can buy.

    What your grandparents and my parents had cannot be compared to today's reality of purchase power.  Having something "left over" to leave the kids is simply not in the cards for most people.  

    "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

    by JFinNe on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 07:27:23 AM PDT

  •  another day older (0+ / 0-)

    Some people say a man is made out of mud
    A poor man's made out of muscle and blood
    Muscle and blood and skin and bones
    A mind that's weak and a back that's strong

    You load sixteen tons what do you get
    Another day older and deeper in debt
    Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
    I owe my soul to the company store

    The CONSTITUTION is MY Flag pin

    by KnotIookin on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 07:28:32 AM PDT

  •  Already in my 50s so I skew the vote, (0+ / 0-)

    my parents are in their 80s (contemporaries of your grandparents).

    A couple things to note:

    1. There were about 500,000 college graduates total in the US in 1940 - competition was much lower;
    1. The economic ethic of the US was very different than now.
    1. Wealth had a different meaning then than now

    I am drawn to the unfortunate conclusion (looking at my nieces and nephews) that I am the last in my family that can answer with one of the first two (maybe even three) responses on that poll. And that is ad.

    I'll walk 100 miles knocking on doors for my Dem candidate - Anna Lord for Colo HD21 - will you?

    by tjlord on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 07:54:50 AM PDT

  •  wish i was a teacher (0+ / 0-)

    instead of a former IT worker. i would be a lot better off.

    --plays well with otters

    by jeepndesert on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:10:49 AM PDT

  •  I'm a 59 year old college professor. (0+ / 0-)

    I've been a college professor for 31 years.  I've never been able to conceive of buying a house.  I've never traveled outside of North America, unless one includes one trip to Hawaii a former girlfriend footed the bill for.

    I live month to month, not all that better off than when I was day manager of a Pizza Hut in the early 70s.

  •  I Was Flushed Out of IT After Getting Caught (0+ / 0-)

    trying to exceed 50 in the workplace.

    My schoolteacher mom toured Europe repeatedly before and after retirement. She's got a good pension based on 30 years' service and masters' degree. My dad had 35 years or so all told with the federal government and is securely retired in a prime vacation spot.

    My wife and I do manual labor handicrafts in a tiny niche economy that lets us compete with 3rd world, at about half the income we had in modest state IT employment. She has enough pension to keep her in some kind of government housing when that's all she can do, but mercifully it includes health care for the time being.  I'll have the same, but I can't stop working much before 80.

    But it's almost inconceivable that the 3rd world and the computers will not have taken our craft from us b then.

    We went to Europe twice while employed. We do not tour even regionally, we have no chance of taking traveling vacations any more.

    We'll work till we're too disabled, which will be 5-7 years for her.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Sep 03, 2007 at 08:30:17 AM PDT

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