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Anti-Global Warming Surge On The Way? [Part III]

Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 12:56:45 PM PDT

(Cross-posted from OpenLeft)

Senator Inhofe's Blog

A network of anti-global warming activists is gearing up for yet another assault on the scientific consensus that global warming is real, and has a significant human-caused component.

Their chosen vehicle is a not-yet-published paper claiming to "update" and essentially overturn historian of science Naomi Oreskes 2004 finding that there was no opposition to the consensus view in a representative sample of 928 peer-reviewed articles whose abtracts she surveyed.

This is the second of a three... sorry! four-part series.  Part I is here. Part II is here. And Part III--focusing on Senator Inhofe's blog--picks up just over the fold...

The EPW Senate Blog

Schulte’s paper was first cited on Senator Inhofe’s Environment And Public Works (minority) Press Blog on August 20, as part of a long post by Marc Morano.  We’ll have more to say about Morano in a bit.  But first let’s look at the content of this post.

It begins:

Washington DC – An abundance of new peer-reviewed studies, analysis, and data error discoveries in the last several months has prompted scientists to declare that fear of catastrophic man-made global warming "bites the dust" and the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be "falling apart."  The latest study to cast doubt on climate fears finds that even a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide would not have the previously predicted dire impacts on global temperatures. This new study is not unique, as a host of recent peer-reviewed studies have cast a chill on global warming fears.

"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing the new study which has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research.  Another scientist said the peer-reviewed study overturned "in one fell swoop" the climate fears promoted by the UN and former Vice President Al Gore. The study entitled "Heat Capacity, Time Constant, and Sensitivity of Earth’s Climate System," was authored by Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. (LINK)

"Effectively, this (new study) means that the global economy will spend trillions of dollars trying to avoid a warming of ~ 1.0 K by 2100 A.D." Dr. Wilson wrote in a note to the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee on August 19, 2007.  Wilson, a former operations astronomer at the Hubble Space Telescope Institute in Baltimore MD, was referring to the trillions of dollars that would be spent under such international global warming treaties like the Kyoto Protocol.

"Previously, I have indicated that the widely accepted values for temperature increase associated with a doubling of CO2 were far too high i.e. 2 – 4.5 Kelvin. This new peer-reviewed paper claims a value of 1.1 +/- 0.5 K increase for a doubling of CO2," he added.

The first thing to note here is the wildly exaggerated claims being made—the consensus "bites the dust," it’s "falling apart," overthrown "in one fell swoop"—and the wildly distorted view of science implicit in those claims (not to mention the 2-4 year old’s fantasies of omnipotence).  No single paper can possibly overturn a decades-long consensus in any scientific field.  Things just don’t work that way.  First of all, peer review is quite important, but it’s not a guarantee that the work will stand up over time—or even that it should have been published in the first place.  As the scientist-run RealClimate website explains in the article "Peer Review: A Necessary But Not Sufficient Condition":

Put simply, peer review is supposed to weed out poor science. However, it is not foolproof — a deeply flawed paper can end up being published under a number of different potential circumstances: (i) the work is submitted to a journal outside the relevant field (e.g. a paper on paleoclimate submitted to a social science journal) where the reviewers are likely to be chosen from a pool of individuals lacking the expertise to properly review the paper, (ii) too few or too unqualified a set of reviewers are chosen by the editor, (iii) the reviewers or editor (or both) have agendas, and overlook flaws that invalidate the paper's conclusions, and (iv) the journal may process and publish so many papers that individual manuscripts occasionally do not get the editorial attention they deserve.

Thus, while un-peer-reviewed claims should not be given much credence, just because a particular paper has passed through peer review does not absolutely insure that the conclusions are correct or scientifically valid. The "leaks" in the system outlined above unfortunately allow some less-than-ideal work to be published in peer-reviewed journals. This should therefore be a concern when the results of any one particular study are promoted over the conclusions of a larger body of past published work (especially if it is a new study that has not been fully absorbed or assessed by the community). Indeed, this is why scientific assessments such as the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (ACIA), or the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports, and the independent reports by the National Academy of Sciences, are so important in giving a balanced overview of the state of knowledge in the scientific research community.

In short, Morano’s overheated prose is completely unjustified, just as you thought it was.  A single peer-reviewed paper can’t even be accepted as true, necessarily, much less be used to overturn a long-standing scientific consensus.

So what about Schwartz’s paper?  In its "Friday roundup" dated 24 August 2007, RealClimate reported:

An Insensitive Climate?:
A paper by Stephen Schwartz of Brookhaven National Laboratory accepted for publication in the AGU Journal of Geophysical Research is already getting quite a bit of attention in the blogosphere. It argues for a CO2-doubling climate sensitivity of about 1 degree C, markedly lower than just about any other published estimate, well below the low end of the range cited by recent scientific assessments (e.g. the IPCC AR4 report) and inconsistent with any number of other estimates. Why are Schwartz's calculations wrong? The early scientific reviews suggest a couple of reasons: firstly, that modelling the climate as an AR(1) process with a single timescale is an over-simplification; secondly, that a similar analysis in a GCM with a known sensitivity would likely give incorrect results, and finally, that his estimate of the error bars on his calculation are very optimistic. We'll likely have a more thorough analysis of this soon...

Not quite earth-shattering, is it?  The underlying attitude exhibited by Morano is that anything that bolsters his side is treated like gospel, like a revelation direct from God, not something that needs to be critically examined.  At the same time, anything that bolsters the other side is inherently suspect, not just by the normal standards that require careful checking of any claim, but in terms of a pre-determined double standard which sees them as inherently dishonest and up to no good.

Indeed, Morano goes on to quote a scientist working at the American Enterprise Institute who talks about overturning the "political pretext for the energy-restriction policies."  The mechanism of projection at work here is easily spotted: those who politicize absolutely everything accuse anyone who stands in their way of polititicizing absolutely everything.

Morano continues with a section quoting extensively from a former Harvard physicist, Dr. Lubos Motl, a self-described "conservative physicist" from the Czech Republic, who seemingly, like Boehmer-Christiansen, has transfered his quite understandable hostility toward the repressive bureaucracy of Eastern Europe onto the far-flung community of climate scientists. Among other things, Morano quotes Motl saying the new study has reduced proponents of man-made climate fears to "playing the children’s game to scare each other." Motl himself is a string theorist with no particular expertise in climate science.  But he’s beligerant, and sweepingly dismisses the entire scientific community, so why not quote him at length?

There follows another section, "Overturning IPCC consensus ‘in one fell swoop’" which is basically just reporting an American Enterprise Institute flak pushing the Stephen Schwartz paper discussed above.  More codpiece strutting.

Then, there’s the section that starts off like this:

UK officially admits: Global warming has stopped!

Recent scientific studies may make 2007 go down in history as the "tipping point" of man-made global warming fears. A progression of peer-reviewed studies have been published which serve to debunk the United Nations, former Vice President Al Gore, and the media engineered "consensus" on climate change.

Paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter, who has testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works (LINK), noted in a June 18, 2007 essay that global warming has stopped.

"The accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2. Second, lower atmosphere satellite-based temperature measurements, if corrected for non-greenhouse influences such as El Nino events and large volcanic eruptions, show little if any global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2 has increased by 55 ppm (17 %)," (LINK)

In August 2007, the UK Met Office was finally forced to concede the obvious: global warming has stopped. (LINK)  The UK Met Office acknowledged the flat lining of global temperatures, but in an apparent attempt to keep stoking man-made climate alarm, the Met Office is now promoting more unproven dire computer model projections of the future. They now claim climate computer models predict "global warming will begin in earnest in 2009" because greenhouse emissions will then overtake natural climate variability.

The section headline is, of course, a lie.  Two links away, we come to Morano’s source, a story titled Natural forces offset global warming last two years: study, reporting a completely unremarkable fact: global warming is a longterm trend that is readily masked by short-term variations, but shows no signs of stopping:

Natural weather variations have offset the effects of global warming for the past couple of years and will continue to keep temperatures flat through 2008, a study released Thursday said.

But global warming will begin in earnest in 2009, and a couple of the years between 2009 and 2014 will eclipse 1998, the warmest year on record to date, in the heat stakes, British meteorologists said.

Morano might also have observed that temperatures continue to go down during winter, as well as during the night.

In the real world, here’s what the worldwide data presented by NASA at the Goddard Institute website look like:

[Full-size original here.  Part of a collection of graphs indexed here.]

Uh, yeah.  That red line really stopped going up, now didn’t it?  Screeching halt.  Flat as a pancake.  Whatever.

If that’s not enough for you, click here for a chart of combined temperature proxy data (ice cores, tree rings, etc.) since 200 AD, so you can really see how fast temperatures are rising in a larger perspective.  The blog post contextualizing the chart is "Hockey Sticks" at Open Mind.

If there were a serious debate about global warming, anyone using such transparently dishonest arguments would be summarily dismissed.  In a serious debate, people are penalized for making bad arguments—it reflects poorly on their overall judgement, not to mention their honesty and integrity.  But there is no serious debate about global warming.  There is simply an effort to obfuscate and confuse.  Which means throwing anything that sounds bad or distracts into the mix.

Which is why long lists of items that don’t stand up to scrutiny are such an appealing ruse.

Did I say something about long lists of items that don’t stand up to scrutiny?  Well, what a coincidence!  Because the next thing Morano offers is a list of 15 items  Going through them all would take at least a couple of posts as long-winded as this one.  But just to take a peak at a couple of them, almost at random, we find the following.

The second one contains this passage:

The study does not state that CO2 plays no role in warming the earth. "But it can never play the decisive role that is currently attributed to it", climate scientist Luc Debontridder said. "Not CO2, but water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It is responsible for at least 75 % of the greenhouse effect. This is a simple scientific fact, but Al Gore's movie has hyped CO2 so much that nobody seems to take note of it." said Debontridder. "Every change in weather conditions is blamed on CO2. But the warm winters of the last few years (in Belgium) are simply due to the 'North-Atlantic Oscillation'. And this has absolutely nothing to do with CO2," he added.

Whatever the study referred to says, Debontridder is talking condescending nonsense, which does not bode well for his paper.  "The greenhouse effect," commonly spoken of is really shorthand for the "enhanced greenhouse effect," precisely because the dominant role of water vapor and pre-industrial age CO2 is so well known that it’s taken for granted.  (In the same equally irrelevent way, the Sun is the ultimate cause of the greenhouse effect.  Without the Sun, the Earth would be as cold as Pluto. But, of course, without the formation of the Milky Way galaxy...)

More to the point, not only have people "take[n] note of it," as a matter of fact, the role of water vapor was a big part of the reason why the original warning about global warming in the 1800s was ignored for over half a century, as explained at RealClimate in "A Saturated Gassy Argument":

Some people have been arguing that simple physics shows there is already so much CO2 in the air that its effect on infrared radiation is "saturated"— meaning that adding more gas can make scarcely any difference in how much radiation gets through the atmosphere, since all the radiation is already blocked. And besides, isn't water vapor already blocking all the infrared rays that CO2 ever would?

The arguments do sound good, so good that in fact they helped to suppress research on the greenhouse effect for half a century. In 1900, shortly after Svante Arrhenius published his pathbreaking argument that our use of fossil fuels will eventually warm the planet, another scientist, Knut Ångström, asked an assistant, Herr J. Koch, to do a simple experiment....  The American meteorological community was alerted to Ångström's result in a commentary appearing in the June, 1901 issue of Monthly Weather Review, which used the result to caution "geologists" against adhering to Arrhenius' wild ideas.

Still more persuasive to scientists of the day was the fact that water vapor, which is far more abundant in the air than carbon dioxide, also intercepts infrared radiation. In the infrared spectrum, the main bands where each gas blocked radiation overlapped one another. How could adding CO2 affect radiation in bands of the spectrum that H2O (not to mention CO2 itself) already made opaque? As these ideas spread, even scientists who had been enthusiastic about Arrhenius's work decided it was in error. Work on the question stagnated. If there was ever an "establishment" view about the greenhouse effect, it was confidence that the CO2 emitted by humans could not affect anything so grand as the Earth's climate.

Nobody was interested in thinking about the matter deeply enough to notice the flaw in the argument.

In short, Debontridder—speaking as a presumed "authority" dismissing the ignorant heathens—is taking the history of global warming science and standing it on its head.  This is the sort of material that Morano’s list is full of.  Small findings (or not) blown up to mammoth proportions, ultimately resulting in a Homer Simpsonish "D’oh!"  It’s just what Morano deserves for putting on airs like he’s smarter than Lisa.

Don’t believe me?  Here’s another one:

11) Team of Scientists Question Validity Of A 'Global Temperature' – The study was published in Journal of Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics. Excerpt from a March 18, 2007 article in Science Daily: "Discussions on global warming often refer to 'global temperature.' Yet the concept is thermodynamically as well as mathematically an impossibility, says Bjarne Andresen, a professor at The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, who has analyzed this topic in collaboration with professors Christopher Essex from University of Western Ontario and Ross McKitrick from University of Guelph, Canada." The Science Daily article reads: "It is impossible to talk about a single temperature for something as complicated as the climate of Earth", Bjarne Andresen says, an expert of thermodynamics. "A temperature can be defined only for a homogeneous system. Furthermore, the climate is not governed by a single temperature. Rather, differences of temperatures drive the processes and create the storms, sea currents, thunder, etc. which make up the climate."

Wow!  Next thing you know, Professor Andresen will be telling us that it gets colder in winter and at night.  Did you know that, Lisa?

Maybe that’s why Google gives me about 104,000 hits for "average global temperature".

But, seriously, stop and think about it.  What’s the reasoninig behind this item?  Global warming is impossible, because there’s no such thing as a global temperature?  Is that it?  So what if the ice-caps melt and oceans rise thirty feet?  No global temperature, no global warming!  Yeah, that’s the ticket!

The pattern here should be obvious.  Morano is trying to use scientists as oracles.  The ones who say things he likes, that is.  It doesn’t really matter what they say.  We aren’t supposed to critically think about what they’re saying.  Because they’re not being listened to as scientists, they’re being listened to as authorities.  And authoritarians loves them some authorities.  Of course, this means they must demean and humiliate scientists who disagree, which helps explain why Morano quotes Motl—a string theorist with no expertise in climate science—dismissing the real experts as "playing the children’s game to scare each other."

But enough of the rest of the list, it’s time for...

[Continued Tomorrow!]

Tags: James Inhofe, disinformation, Naomi Oreskes, global warming, environment, Rescued (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Exceptional series, Paul ... (9+ / 0-)

    ...I just read the whole works. I hope this gets to the Rec'd list and lots of eyeballs. (It - and the other parts - will be in Eco-Diary Rescue next Thursday regardless.

    One thing missing from the "debunkers" arguments is the synergy matter - that it isn't just CO2 and other greenhouse gases at issue, but a kind of domino effect from melting icecaps, and the like.

    No problem though. Soon we'll be growing wheat in the Yukon and drilling oil at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean.

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 12:59:09 PM PDT

  •  Okay Folks, (4+ / 0-)

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    I've got to go cover a labor/environment rally.  So surprise me with your comments while I'm gone.

  •  Outstanding work (3+ / 0-)

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    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 01:53:54 PM PDT

  •  It starts at the bottom (5+ / 0-)

    Great series Paul. I agree, the new flood of anti-global warming activism is upon us. Here in western North Carolina, we have a local/regional weekly tabloid that is extremely right wing, and uses unmistakable fascist and slavery apologist language in all its "reporting".  The breaking news this week? The global warning hoax has been exposed and is dying right before our eyes.

    Frightening stuff if you read the depth of the depravity. It all goes back to Darwin somehow and the creation of the "Godless monkey man myth".

    And this little "news" outlet is on every corner and is supported my major advertisers in the region. Pitiful and disgusting...and effective.

    Keep up the good work.

    Tribune Newspapers  

  •  Fred Thompson is worthless (4+ / 0-)

    From wingnutty source:

    Candidate Thompson Praised for Global Warming Views
    By Kevin Mooney
    CNSNews.com Staff Writer
    September 06, 2007

    (CNSNews.com) - Free market advocates in search of a champion who will take a firm stand against draconian global warming laws might have one in former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.), who announced his run for the presidency Wednesday on NBC's "Tonight Show With Jay Leno."

    This vote of confidence comes from a Senate colleague, James Inhofe (R-Okla.), who believes the weight of scientific evidence has shifted decisively against the notion of human-induced global warming in recent years.

    Unfortunately, many Republican and Democratic leaders, as well as leading presidential contenders continue to push for legislation that would "shut down America" in the name of "misguided alarmism," Inhofe told Cybercast News Service.

    John McCain, Master of the Purpose Driven Lie.

    by DWG on Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 02:13:08 PM PDT

  •  Wonderful work, but I fear (6+ / 0-)

    that their winning tactic will be even more insidious, and certainly we can already see it at work: Namely, lulling the Great Majority to sleep by convincing them that half measures (and fake measures) will solve the problem.

    You know, things like "Plug-in electric cars will fight greenhouse gas emissions."  "Use more clean-burinng natural gas."  And my favorite: lovely multi-page ads featuring lovely nature scenes with little blurbs reading "We're [insert name of Big Oil company here], and we care about the environment."

    •  This Is Certainly The Next Big Battle (7+ / 0-)

      We are bound to have a flood of pseudo-solutions.  And lots of folks getting rich off of snake oil. (Snake oil!  It's the new snake oil!, er, well, it's SNAKE OIL!)

      No snakes were harmed in the making of this snark scientific evaluation.

      •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)

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        And as bad as the lulling to sleep effect is that the snake oil - and this includes much of the unregulated and questionable offsets market - are just low-hanging fruit for skeptics.  For people who aren't interested in the science, evidence of snake oil in the market is very persuasive that the whole thing is a big hoax.

        •  True, But, On The Other Hand... (0+ / 0-)

          There's an awful lot of public learning that needs to take place in order for us to have a sound policy, not just for the next decade or so, but for the next few generations.  So we might as well welcome it.

          Carbon offsets are relatively harmless compared to the largely unexamined downside of the proposed BP/UC Berkley bio-fuel research collaboration, for example.

          Learning how to think systematically, in order to see the flaws on one hand and recognize possible synergies on the other, is going to take time.  But it's also the key to solving so many other problems we face as well--not least, the so-called "global war on terror."

  •  This is a GREAT diary (1+ / 0-)

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    and I hope it is rescued.  I hadn't seen parts I and II and I'm off to take a look now.

    Thanks for writing this.

  •  Interesting diary (0+ / 0-)

    Recommended. Will check out the one I missed, #2.

    "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." Douglas Adams

    by splashy on Sun Sep 09, 2007 at 04:13:24 AM PDT

  •  Very Interesting Diary! (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, I suppose there is a chance global climate change is a) not happening or b) not caused by human activity.  The chances on these are getting smaller by the day, however.  It is also possible that the sun won't come up tomorrow, having been taken out by a Vogon hyperspace bypass.

    Greed and wishful thinking seem to be the motivating factors here- primarily dominated by conservative Republicans, but I have seen attacks from both the right and left.  I am willing to let the empirical evidence speak to this and as near as I can see that is tending toward the more dire predictions, rather than away from them. Global warming shut down?  I think not!

    Get these people to show the strength of their convictions- have them buy beach-front property in Miami or Mobile!

  •  Quotes (0+ / 0-)

    The first thing to note here is the wildly exaggerated claims being made—the consensus "bites the dust," it’s "falling apart," overthrown "in one fell swoop" --and the wildly distorted view of science implicit in those claims...

    Are you not guilty of misrepresenting what Marc Morano actually wrote?

    ...fear of catastrophic man-made global warming "bites the dust" and the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be "falling apart."

    ...peer-reviewed study overturned "in one fell swoop" the climate fears promoted by the UN and former Vice President Al Gore.

    Fear of catastrophic man-made global warming is not the same as the scientific consensus that the climate has warmed slightly over the last hundred years and that anthropogenic carbon dioxide has played a part in the observed warming. It is dishonest of you to write that the author stated that the consensus bites the dust when he wrote that fear of something other than the consensus bites the dust. Similarly, underpinnings for alarm may be falling apart is not equal to the consensus is falling apart. Overturning fears promoted by Al Gore in one fell swoop is not the same as overturning the consensus in one fell swoop.

    •  "Buffy vs. Dracula" (That's A Pretty Stupid Lie) (1+ / 0-)

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      I feel like Buffy at the end of "Buffy vs. Dracula".

      Wikipedia synopsis:

      Buffy and Dracula fight in a vicious battle, and finally Buffy stakes him. After they leave, Dracula comes back from the dust. Buffy is there and stakes him, knowing he would come back. Dracula attempts to reform again but is reminded by Buffy that she is "standing right here". He slips away in his mist-form.

      Just like Buffy, I'm "standing right here."

      And so is the full quote that you've tried to ignore by just taking part of it out of context. Here's the whole thing, once again, with a little typographic help added on:

      An abundance of new peer-reviewed studies, analysis, and data error discoveries in the last several months has prompted scientists to declare that fear of catastrophic man-made global warming "bites the dust" and the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be "falling apart."  The latest study to cast doubt on climate fears finds that even a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide would not have the previously predicted dire impacts on global temperatures. This new study is not unique, as a host of recent peer-reviewed studies have cast a chill on global warming fears.

      "Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing the new study which has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research.  Another scientist said the peer-reviewed study overturned "in one fell swoop" the climate fears promoted by the UN and former Vice President Al Gore. The study entitled "Heat Capacity, Time Constant, and Sensitivity of Earth’s Climate System," was authored by Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. (LINK)

      You've extracted the first and last bolded passages, ignoring everything else (especially the second bolded quote), and you're attacking me for misrepresenting the quote!  Priceless!

      You:

      Fear of catastrophic man-made global warming is not the same as the scientific consensus that the climate has warmed slightly over the last hundred years and that anthropogenic carbon dioxide has played a part in the observed warming.

      Unfortunately, standing right here, dude!

      It was Morano who equated the two, presenting the first bolded passage--which you quoted--as his paraphrase of the second bolded passage, which you ignored--as the italicized passage makes perfectly clear.  The "catastrophic" is Morano's freelance spinmeister add-on.  He's the one making the equation of the two.

      While I certainly could have criticized him, quite justifiably, for equating the two, I am equally justified in accepting his legerdemain for the sake of argument, which is what I have done.  Whenever one encounters someone who lies so many different ways at once, it's always a matter of discretion how to start pulling them apart, and how long to spend on the task.

      You:

      It is dishonest of you to write that the author stated that the consensus bites the dust when he wrote that fear of something other than the consensus bites the dust.

      Not quite. Morano is the one who is jumbling all these things together, then dealing out of the bottom of the deck, not me.  It is he who presented the first and second bolded passages as equivilant to one another, not me.

      You:

      Similarly, underpinnings for alarm may be falling apart is not equal to the consensus is falling apart.

      Again, "standing right here," dude.  

      Morano wrote:

      the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be "falling apart." [Emphasis added.]

      The scientific consensus is the scientific underpinnings for alarm.  There is simply no other way to read this that makes sense.  (Although, I suppose one could argue convincingly that one should not expect Morano to make sense.  But I digress...)

      You:

      Overturning fears promoted by Al Gore in one fell swoop is not the same as overturning the consensus in one fell swoop.

      Still "standing right here."

      This is yet another distinction you make that Morano himself undermines, as I noted implicitly later on when I wrote:

      There follows another section, "Overturning IPCC consensus ‘in one fell swoop’"

      Thus, what first appeared as "climate fears promoted by the UN and former Vice President Al Gore" is now "IPCC consensus."  Both are overturned "in one fell swoop" in different parts of Morano's post, with no distinction made between the two.  Morano is the one who uses the terms interchangably.  I am simply following his lead for the sake of argument.

      Stepping back a bit, it's clear what's going on here:  Morano's whole point is to paint Gore as a wild-eyed fear-monger.  He wants to simultaneous demolish the consensus, and portray Gore as out of touch with the science.  So when he starts off, he tosses in the extra words about "catastrophic" and "fears."  But once he gets past the first couple of lines, he goes for the jugular, and tries to discredit everything.

      You want to ignore the whole of Morano's text, and concentrate exclusively on the words in selective passages.  But my whole point in this entire series has been precisely the opposite--to explore the larger context, and to see how the different lies and distortions all fit together.  I wanted to do precisely what I did do--ferret out the real intent and the decptive methods involved.  I didn't get them all, of course.  That would have taken forever.  But I did get a fair sampling.  And thanks to this mendacious comment of yours, I've been able to add a little more.

      Now that I've untangled your little web of lies, I have a question for you, since you just showed up here at DKos for this diary series.

      Are you Marc Morano?

      Inquiring minds want to know!

      •  they don't have SCIENTISTS at AEI... (0+ / 0-)

        a scientist working at the American Enterprise Institute

        the AEI was funded by EXXON to just spout the party line, they are a think tank.

        (You knew Morano was the original Kerry Swiftboater from CNS, right?)

        •  Read The Whole Series! (1+ / 0-)

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          You:
          (You knew Morano was the original Kerry Swiftboater from CNS, right?)

          Part IV (Quoting Wikipedia):

          Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (owned by the conservative Media Research Center). CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.

          A think tank, even one that's purely a tool, can still employ someone who is a scientist.  That doesn't mean that they are doing scientific research.  The person in question, Joel Schwartz, does have degrees in science, and has done work based on those degrees--not just for think tanks.

          If I'm going to cite a scientist working for the NRDC--Diane Bailey, for example, whom I've interviewed for Random Lengths News--then I'm going to refer to a scientist from AEI in the same way.  In the same way, Alberto Gonzales is a lawyer.  Get it?

          Pegging him as working for AEI was supposed be the tell.

      •  Warmalicious (0+ / 0-)

        You've extracted the first and last bolded passages, ignoring everything else (especially the second bolded quote), and you're attacking me for misrepresenting the quote!  Priceless!

        I intentionally ignored the words of Dr. Ian Wilson and wrote that you had misrepresented Morano's words. I stand by that. Morano was careful to write that fear of catastrophic man-made global warming "bites the dust" and the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be "falling apart." Those hardly seem like the words of someone who does not think that humans are contributing to warming.

        It was Morano who equated the two, presenting the first bolded passage--which you quoted--as his paraphrase of the second bolded passage, which you ignored--as the italicized passage makes perfectly clear.

        Or he chose to word it that way because he does not agree with Dr. Ian Wilson and wanted to narrow the scope of the dust biting.

        The scientific consensus is the scientific underpinnings for alarm.

        I disagree. Al Gore's alarmism is based on far more than just the consensus. He wants his audience to think it's only the consensus that underpins his slide shows and speeches. Remember his NY Times op-ed in July?

        Consider this tale of two planets. Earth and Venus are almost exactly the same size, and have almost exactly the same amount of carbon. The difference is that most of the carbon on Earth is in the ground — having been deposited there by various forms of life over the last 600 million years — and most of the carbon on Venus is in the atmosphere.

        As a result, while the average temperature on Earth is a pleasant 59 degrees, the average temperature on Venus is 867 degrees. True, Venus is closer to the Sun than we are, but the fault is not in our star; Venus is three times hotter on average than Mercury, which is right next to the Sun. It’s the carbon dioxide.

        Really? So Earth could become like Venus if we continue to burn fossil fuels? No. Venus' atmosphere is about one hundred times heavier than Earth's and all the water has been burned and the hydrogen dissipated into space. The scientific consensus is that highways clogged with SUV traffic can not turn Earth's atmosphere into Venus'.

        More Gore:

        The climate crisis offers us the chance to experience what few generations in history have had the privilege of experiencing: a generational mission; a compelling moral purpose; a shared cause; and the thrill of being forced by circumstances to put aside the pettiness and conflict of politics and to embrace a genuine moral and spiritual challenge.

        The normal human condition is abject poverty and a short life expectancy. In order to pull ourselves out of that horrible condition requires industry and its byproduct carbon dioxide. I think it's a fair trade to get lifesaving medicines and technologies that result in longer, healthier and happier lives in return for a slightly warmer climate.

        Morano's whole point is to paint Gore as a wild-eyed fear-monger.

        And Gore's delusions of spiritual challenges cutting anthropogenic carbon dioxide by ninety percent in a few years or turning Earth uninhabitable don't paint him as a wild-eyed fear-monger?

        Now that I've untangled your little web of lies...

        Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. I didn't weave a web of lies. I expressed a difference of opinion.

        Are you Marc Morano? Inquiring minds want to know!

        &#60crickets chirping&#62

        •  So Many Lies, So Little Time (0+ / 0-)

          (1) The attempt to rehabilitate Morano's over-the-top claims is beyond pathetic.  I provide a detailed clsoe reading, you provide PR spin:

          I intentionally ignored the words of Dr. Ian Wilson and wrote that you had misrepresented Morano's words.

          But Morano quoted Wilson in support of his thesis.  He used Wilson's status and his words as the foundation for his claims.  You have to be an idiot to ignore this.  And no else here is an idiot.

          Sorry about that.

          Try it at Free Republic.  You'll have better luck there, I'm sure.

          (2) This is classic misdirection:

          [me]The scientific consensus is the scientific underpinnings for alarm.

          I disagree. Al Gore's alarmism is based on far more than just the consensus....

          What follows this is both a straw man argument and a red herring.  It's a straw man because you false accuse Gore of saying that global warming will turn Earth into Venus.  Gore, of course, wasn't making that argument at all.  He was using Venus to dramatize the workings of the greenhouse effect, not to claim that it would become that severe on Earth.  Pretending otherwise is setting up a straw man argument.

          But that's between you and Gore.  The red herring is between you and me, because you've completely misread/misrepresented this statement, not just taking it out of context, but misreading it even as a standalone.

          Let's first recover the full context ("standing right here," remember?).  You were trying to distinguish between "underpinnings for alarm" and the scientific concensus.  I was analyzing Morano's post to show that they were one and the same, so far as Morano was concerned.  And that was the meanning of the sentence you've misrepresented.  From my original comment above:

          You:

             

          Similarly, underpinnings for alarm may be falling apart is not equal to the consensus is falling apart.

          Again, "standing right here," dude.  

          Morano wrote:

              the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be "falling apart." [Emphasis added.]

          The scientific consensus is the scientific underpinnings for alarm.

          The point of that final statement--which you have valiant tried to bury--was that your claim was mistaken.  Which it is. Morano was referring to the underlying science.  He himself said it: "the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be 'falling apart.'"

          You've done a pretty slick job of trying to change the subject, and make it all about that fact that Al Gore uses the planet Venus to illustrate the greenhouse effect.  (I'm sure no scientist ever did that!)  But, like Buffy said, "I'm standing right here."

          (3)

          The normal human condition is abject poverty and a short life expectancy. In order to pull ourselves out of that horrible condition requires industry and its byproduct carbon dioxide. I think it's a fair trade to get lifesaving medicines and technologies that result in longer, healthier and happier lives in return for a slightly warmer climate.

          (A) Read your Dickens.  By itself, industry and its byproduct carbon dioxide increases abject poverty and short life expectancy.  It's social justice (not to mention the threat of revolution) that ensures the benefits of technology--and not just the costs--are widely shared.

          (B) As illustrated so strikingly by the example of Katrina, it's the poor who will suffer the most from global warming.

          (C) The human race will inevitably run out of carbon to burn, so the long-term welfare of the human race cannot be tied to burning carbon.  The question is not carbon vs. human misery, but rather, when to kick carbon, sooner vs. later.

          (D) You posit the choice as being between "longer, healthier and happier lives" vs. "a slightly warmer climate."  But that's a completely unsupported assertion on your part.

          Not only is the economic trade-off bogus (the Stern Report put the costs of global warming at 20% of GDP, vs. the costs of combating it via early action at 1%), so is the suffering trade-off as well.  As I note in Part IV of this series, Australia has just come out of a prolonged drought whose severity is partly due to global warming, and which resulted in dramatically elevated levels of suicide amongst Australian farmers.  Nothing "longer, healthier and happier" about their lives, I can assure you.

          •  So much time (0+ / 0-)

            But Morano quoted Wilson in support of his thesis.  He used Wilson's status and his words as the foundation for his claims.  You have to be an idiot to ignore this.  And no else here is an idiot. Sorry about that.

            I Ignored Wilson's statement for the purpose of defending Morano's slick rewording. I didn't defend Wilson because his statement taken out of context -- I didn't bother to follow a link to read it in context since Wilson doesn't interest me -- is indefensible. I'm just pointing out that judging by Morano's wording he is most likely not a denier, if that word is strictly defined as a person who believes that humans have no effect on climate.

            The scientific consensus is the scientific underpinnings for alarm.

            You failed to convince me. In fact, you bolstered my case earlier by pointing out that the scientific underpinnings of the alarm you are sounding is not the consensus.

            Furthermore, there are a good number of scientists, and growing body of research that says the IPCC is too conservative, and is significantly under-estimating the the threat of global warming.

            You followed that with a long quote. One point caught my eye.

            Observations show rapid melting of permafrost (i.e., frozen ground). This tends to reduce the reflectivity of the surface to sunlight...

            Permafrost is located several feet below the surface. The surface above the permafrost freezes and thaws as the seasons cycle every year.

            By itself, industry and its byproduct carbon dioxide increases abject poverty and short life expectancy.

            What were you saying about there being no other idiot here?

            As illustrated so strikingly by the example of Katrina, it's the poor who will suffer the most from global warming.

            Katrina illustrated that homes should not be built below sea level in an area that experiences frequent tropical storms.

            The human race will inevitably run out of carbon to burn, so the long-term welfare of the human race cannot be tied to burning carbon.  The question is not carbon vs. human misery, but rather, when to kick carbon, sooner vs. later.

            The carbon will not run out for a long time. There is much research being done now to find a replacement, but we don't know when it will bear fruit. Let's kick carbon only when we have a replacement.

            •  I'm Not The Least Bit Interested In Convincing Yo (0+ / 0-)

              You failed to convince me.

              My only interest is in showing how intellectually dishonest you are.  

              Since I've already done this in two successive posts, I feel no need to rinse and repeat a third time.

              I will however, point out for others just how lame and narcissistic a response this is--and how indicative this is of the movement conservative mindset.

              I presented a rational argument, and instead of responding to the argument, and offering counter-evidence or counter-arguments,  SSU just says, "You failed to convince me," as if he alone is the final arbiter of everything.  Which, of course, is precisely what wingnuts believe.  And why shouldn't they?  Rush Limbaugh told them so!

              SSU then goes on to lie:

              In fact, you bolstered my case earlier by pointing out that the scientific underpinnings of the alarm you are sounding is not the consensus.

              But, of course, that is clearly false.  In fact, in the course of this series I rather deliberately did not get into the range of evidence for more serious consequences.  The consensus itself is scary enough, if you have the moral imagination to think of your children a generation from now.   And hence the attempt that's the subject of this little sub-dispute--the attempt to hype a single evidently-flawed study in order to drasstically reduce the CO2 sensitivity projections, so that nothing much happens to the climate--even though we now have predictions that the Artic ice cap will have melted away by 2030.

              •  More (0+ / 0-)

                I will however, point out for others just how lame and narcissistic a response this is--and how indicative this is of the movement conservative mindset.

                Strangely enough, I'm a liberal. Sure, I'm a classical liberal. I suppose that makes me as unwelcome here as at the Freepers' BBQ and square dance. I can handle that.

                You failed to convince me that your alarms are based on the consensus. The alarms are based on the cherry picked worst case scenarios of the gloomiest predictions.

                And hence the attempt that's the subject of this little sub-dispute--the attempt to hype a single evidently-flawed study in order to drasstically reduce the CO2 sensitivity projections, so that nothing much happens to the climate--even though we now have predictions that the Artic ice cap will have melted away by 2030.

                Is that prediction in the consensus? That ice cap has melted away before. Considering we've just exited the Little Ice Age, the ice cap should be shrinking. We're returning to the conditions of the Medieval Warm Period.

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