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Is the Obama campaign trying to propagate the racial narrative to their benefit?

I do not like people using racially insensitive remarks and being a person of color it does bother me. After 9/11 I was the one who was always picked out of airport lines for random security checks. I am still the one who is stopped by cops to see whether I have valid license and people like me are still threatened with deportation everyday even though I am as much a part of this country as any other guy. So yes I am sensitive to race. So when does racial politics cross the line?

I was stunned and profoundly shocked by the words of Bill Shaheen and I am glad that he was fired from the Clinton campaign, but since then it seems every innocuous comment uttered by anyone remotely affiliated or even sometimes unaffiliated but associated to the Clintons is being used by the press to promote a racial narrative. The media would love to make this race not about a woman and a minority but a race between a black and a white candidate. That race has the potential to sell more newspapers and get more attention. Hell just  yesterday there were three diaries on DailyKos with inflammatory headlines: "On Being A Good Negro", "Bill Clinton and His Hideous Racist Bile" and "My Hip Black Friend". I guess it is only in our basal nature to use the most inflammatory remarks to promote ourselves. I hold the press responsible for promoting this narrative, most of which is completely fabricated. I link to my previous diarythat lists the press fabricated narratives vis-a-vis race. The incidents I refer to are Bill Clinton's fairy tale (which turned out to be a false narrative), Hillary's dissing of MLK (which turned out to be a careful cropping of a quote to make a sensational story), the Guardian's quoting of an anonymous 'Clinton adviser' (how can one quote an unnamed person and still expect people to believe them is beyond me), the now infamous NYT opinion piece that seems to say that all the blue-collared voters for Hillary at the New Hampshire primary are racist and finally the stupendously out-of-context cropping of a quote by Andrew Cuomo who is not even remotely affiliated to the Clinton campaign but a Hillary supporter who was caught using the phrase 'shuck and jive' during a radio interview (someone should tell these NY suits not to talk like hipsters, does not suit them). Even today the media narrative is that Hillary is courting the Hispanic community as a firewall because the Hispanic community is apathetic to a black presidential candidate. How about the truth for once? The Hispanic community is the largest minority community in the USA! Should we not prize that voting bloc which has traditionally been Republican but has been alienated by the recent anti-immigration stand of the Republican party?

But what has now happened is instead of letting these false rumors die and holding the media responsible for introducing the racial factor into a race whose primary narrative should have been a race between a minority candidate and a woman (hell look at the Republicans..do you see any diversity there?) Obama's campaign has decided to use these stories to their advantage. They have issued a memo pushing this narrative. Is it a cynical exploitation of the media narrative? Yes it is. What got my attention to this was this article at the Huffington Post which is known for its pro-Obama leanings with Ariana Huffington herself campaigning for Obama in NH. Here is a quote from Sam Stein's article:

The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post and has been made public elsewhere, is believed to have been given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports. It lists the contact info and name of Obama's South Carolina press secretary, Amaya Smith, and is broken down into five incidents in which either Clinton, her husband Bill, or campaign surrogates made comments that could be interpreted as racially insensitive.

The document provides an indication that, in private, the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. In public, the Obama campaign has denied that they are trying to propagate such a perception, noting that the document never was sent to the press.

What exactly is there in this memo? (MyDD)

MARTIN LUTHER KING / LYNDON JOHNSON COMPARISON

Clinton, Criticizing Obama For Promising "False Hope" Said That While MLK Jr. Spoke On Behalf Of Civil Rights, President Lyndon Johnson Was The One Who Got Legislation Passed: "It Took A President To Get It Done." Clinton rejoined the running argument over hope and "false hope" in an interview in Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox's Major Garrett that while Martin Luther King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the one who got the legislation passed. ... .. [Politico, 1/7/08; Video]

Clinton Introducer Said JFK Gave Hope, But Was Assassinated. Clinton introducer: "If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the other candidates to JFK and he was a wonderful leader, he gave us a lot of hope but he was assassinated and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all his work and got the republicans to pass all those measures." [HRC, Dover, NH, 1/7/08] AUDIO ATTACHED

NELSON MANDELA

Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela. "I have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the last hundred years. [...] I go to Nelson Mandela's birthday party every year and we're still very close. [...] But if you said to me, 'You've got one last job for your country but it's hazardous and you may not get out with life and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions [...] I would pick Hillary.'" [ABC News, 1/7/08; Audio]

DRUG USE

Clinton's NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said It Would "Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter." Clinton's Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen's Comments And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He "Deeply Regret[s] The Comments." ... .. "There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. ... .. Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a statement asserting that "these comments were not authorized or condoned by the campaign in any way." And Shaheen himself issued a statement: "I deeply regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the campaign in any way." [ABC News, 12/12/07]

... ... --snip-- ... ...

Amaya Smith
South Carolina Press Secretary
Obama for America
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I find that there is something very wrong in our national electoral process and our primary process when the standard for choosing a candidate switches from the issues and policies being espoused by them to their race or gender. We should choose our candidates on the merits of their position. Maybe this primary will be decided by the media narrative of race and gender (sadly enough Hillary has tried to capitalize on the gender issue as well and she has been subject to sexist attacks too). Maybe we will all play along silently. I hope I am wrong but I am skeptical.

Originally posted to tarheel74 on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:24 PM PST.

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  •  This campaign is a mess... (5+ / 0-)

    which only helps the Clintons.

    Good blacks are supposed to accept racial fear tactics without complaint.

    While white women can sound their outrage through the media---and it helps Hillary.

    The Clintons are loving this because no matter what racial slime the Clinton peddle, HRC knows that her gals will have her back NO MATTER WHAT---especially the single struggling ones.

    Meanwhile, I can't catch a cab in DC.

  •  No Way Is Obama's Campaign Behind This.... (5+ / 0-)

    .....race-baiting narrative of the past week because they're not that stupid.  Obama has always been good at staying above cheap racial politics, and his advisers know that voters will not be shamed into voting for him.  The media and overzealous Obama supporters are spinning this web...and if they keep it up, Obama will be unelectable.  Voters cannot be called racists for nine straight months without a backlash, and the Obama campaign has to squash this narrative not get behind it.

    •  Obama's supporters (6+ / 0-)

      at least on this site, are not helping him.  

      "There are no happy endings in the Bush Administration". - Randall L. Tobias

      by MadRuth on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:36:16 PM PST

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        •  I guess we found our boundary. (0+ / 0-)

          African-Americans (me!) share most of the beliefs of white liberals (most of the progressive blogosphere) but it appears that when one of our own (white liberal) plays racist dog-whistle politics the liberal blogosphere chooses it side. And that side is against African-Americans.

          If it was Karl Rove this place would be on fire with how racist he was. Instead it's our own Goldwater Girl and the First Black President so the AA's are just being too sensitive.

          Nice.

          •  Uh, I'm an Obama Supporter..... (4+ / 0-)
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            .....but I refuse to endorse wolf cries about phantom racism against Obama in this campaign.  It was dumb of the Clinton campaign to invoke the LBJ-MLK narrative, but if that's all it takes for shrieks of "RACISM!!!" to emerge from Obama supporters, it's gonna be a damn long campaign, and one that Obama will be hard-pressed to win no matter how far he tries to distance himself from the mudslinging.

          •  However, it seems that the racism ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... is in primarily in the hands of the copy-editor, since it seems that some of the most offensive connotation of the remarks appear when they are removed from their original context.

            We also sometimes forget that a dog whistle can be heard quite loud and clear by the dog.

            Giving a speech that alludes to states rights in the vicinity of a famous killing of civil rights workers ... Ronnie Reagan, now that was real dog whistle. Same as he "Cadillac Queen" ... any doubt in anyone's mind what racial picture was supposed to be brought to mind? Willie Horton ... Duke's polls plummeted while George W's much smarter and equally foul and evil father put that on air.

            These are more ambiguous, maybe a bit racist, maybe just elitist, hard to tell, more created by media editing than in the original kind of things.

            Its really hard to see that they are actually dog whistles.

            And plus, most of the racists are in the other party. There aren't very many racist votes available in the Democratic party in South Carolina, not any more. So its not clear to whom the Clintons would be dog-whistling.

            Of course, the one thing that the Clintons are not experienced at is having to court the black vote, so it should be expected that they might be a bit off in tone as they try to tune their message.

            SupportTheTroopsEndTheWar.com and Energize America

            by BruceMcF on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 08:27:19 PM PST

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      •  And neither are Hillary's (0+ / 0-)

        Certainly the least liked major candidate here

        Tears, Fears, and Smears are:
        Hillary's campaign strategy

        by jw2008 on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:47:27 PM PST

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    •  Yeah, it's just his campaign spokesman--DOH! (0+ / 0-)
  •  Good diary (5+ / 0-)

    Thanks.

    "There are no happy endings in the Bush Administration". - Randall L. Tobias

    by MadRuth on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:35:11 PM PST

  •  Sigh. (6+ / 0-)

    I actually think "progressive Democrats" are having more trouble with race than are "rank-and-file Democrats."

    I know that's a terrible generalization, but I really think once you get outside the hothouse atmosphere of DKos and the left blogs and start . . . listening . . . to people the conversation is all about economics, health care, etc.  

    In this place it is all Good Vs. Evil, increasingly drawn as cartoon stereotypes, increasingly disconnected.  

    "Just for the record: you were right, I'm an idiot, and God bless you." -- Xander, BTVS

    by prodigal on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:35:28 PM PST

  •  Thanks for the analysis and perspective. (1+ / 0-)
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    It is difficult to tell where the candidates's official positions stop and the spin starts!

    Which talking heads are officially associated with a campaign and which are not should be disclosed every time they open their mouths.

    Impeachment is a duty, not an option that can be taken off the table.

    by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:36:14 PM PST

  •  Has the Obama campaign issued a statement... (0+ / 0-)

    on this alleged memo?

  •  From Ryan Lizza's new piece in... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... The New Yorker:

    Interestingly, in the final days of the New Hampshire campaign, when defeat looked certain for Clinton, it was Hillary’s aides who started talking privately about racial politics. They argued that on February 5th, when twenty-two states vote, Hillary’s fire wall would be Hispanic voters in the largest states, such as California and New York.

    On the morning after Clinton’s victory, I talked to Sergio Bendixen, one of her pollsters, who specializes in the Hispanic vote. "In all honesty, the Hispanic vote is extremely important to the Clinton campaign, and the polls have shown—and today is not a great day to cite polls—that even though she was slipping with women in Iowa and blacks in South Carolina, she was not slipping with Hispanics," he said. "The fire wall doesn’t apply now, because she is in good shape, but before last night the Hispanic vote was going to be the most important part of her fire wall on February 5th." The implications of that strategy are not necessarily uplifting.

    When I asked Bendixen about the source of Clinton’s strength in the Hispanic community, he mentioned her support for health care, and Hispanic voters’ affinity for the Clinton era. "It’s one group where going back to the past really works," he said. "All you need to say in focus groups is ‘Let’s go back to the nineties.’ " But he was also frank about the fact that the Clintons, long beloved in the black community, are now dependent on a less edifying political dynamic: "The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."

    Seems like the Clinton camp is eager to make Obama the "black candidate" (thus, all the recent "slip-ups") in order to cut him off from Hispanic voters in California and other Feb. 5 states.

    •  It seems to me, Bob (4+ / 0-)
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      That Obama and his supporters are pushing the "Obama is the black candidate" narrative more than anyone else. It's a serious change, and a dangerous one.

      •  WTF?!?! (0+ / 0-)

        The only time Obama even discusses his blackness is when asked a direct question about it.

        Next time come with facts, please.

        What Washington needs is adult supervision. --BARACK OBAMA

        by broui on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:59:06 PM PST

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        •  Read the diary (0+ / 0-)

          It's all there. Why would the Clintons try to make this primary about race? It's not to their benefit.

          •  Read Lizza' piece, linked in my post, above. (0+ / 0-)

            That is exactly what Camp Clinton wants to do. They want to make sure they play the race card to split  Hispanics from Obama.

            Plain and simple. Her pollster says as much in the article.

            It's a fucking strategy, for christ sake.

            •  Split the hispanics? (0+ / 0-)

              You do understand that south Carolina is first, right Bob?

              You are being utterly disingenuous.

            •  The piece was about pollsters. (1+ / 0-)
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              Maybe this comes as a shock to you, but they usually get paid to analyze polls and demographics.

              •  Which camp has more incentive... (0+ / 0-)

                ... to play the race card? From Lizza's piece:

                Obama has an interest in downplaying his race in both states (Nev. & SC). There are lingering tensions between the Hispanic and black communities which he doesn’t want to inflame, and some residual skepticism among black voters concerning Obama’s electability among whites. Interestingly, in the final days of the New Hampshire campaign, when defeat looked certain for Clinton, it was Hillary’s aides who started talking privately about racial politics. They argued that on February 5th, when twenty-two states vote, Hillary’s fire wall would be Hispanic voters in the largest states, such as California and New York.

                On the morning after Clinton’s victory, I talked to Sergio Bendixen, one of her pollsters, who specializes in the Hispanic vote. "In all honesty, the Hispanic vote is extremely important to the Clinton campaign, and the polls have shown—and today is not a great day to cite polls—that even though she was slipping with women in Iowa and blacks in South Carolina, she was not slipping with Hispanics," he said. "The fire wall doesn’t apply now, because she is in good shape, but before last night the Hispanic vote was going to be the most important part of her fire wall on February 5th." The implications of that strategy are not necessarily uplifting.

                When I asked Bendixen about the source of Clinton’s strength in the Hispanic community, he mentioned her support for health care, and Hispanic voters’ affinity for the Clinton era. "It’s one group where going back to the past really works," he said. "All you need to say in focus groups is ‘Let’s go back to the nineties.’ " But he was also frank about the fact that the Clintons, long beloved in the black community, are now dependent on a less edifying political dynamic: "The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."

                So who benefits from making Obama's candidacy about race? He is hurt by such a development, Clinton gains.

                •  Incentive isn't action. (0+ / 0-)

                  Hate to be the one to break that to you, but just because I have incentive to do something doesn't mean I do it.  

                  •  Yeah, well the diarist claims it is in Obama's (0+ / 0-)

                    ... interest to play the race card and the opposite is true. His campaign is harmed by race becoming an issue.

                    And that benefits the Clinton campaign.

                    •  I claim that the race card is harming everyone (2+ / 0-)
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                      it was wrong for Shaheen to say what he did and it was wrong for Jesse Jackson Jr to say what he did. And it is wrong for all the diarists here propagate race based diaries. You yourself had a diary with Klinton Kamp Krew on it. That was not in good taste and does a disservice to the community overall. I would welcome a debate on the issues but right now since the media is driving the race and gender narratives both campaigns are exploiting it.

                      •  Typical. (0+ / 0-)

                        Blame the media.

                        Meanwhile, multiple instances of Clinton-associated people dragging race into the campaign are excused.

                        Obama is harmed by having race be an issue. And that helps Clinton.

                        •  please name these Clinton-assoc people (2+ / 0-)
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                          - Shaheen got canned - Bob Kerrey issues a public apology which was put out by Obama website (incidentally Obama actively sought Kerrey's endorsement) - Bill Clinton, turns out to be a big fabrication - Hillary, again careful cropping of words (here I have to say she should have used her historical analogies a little more tactfully) - anonymous Clinton adviser whatever that might be - ?????

          •  I disagree. (0+ / 0-)

            HRC is running as potentially the first woman president.  She has a legitimate shot.  She asks people to vote for her for that reason and others.

            Obama transends that.  He does NOT ask people to vote for him because he is black.  In fact, he does not want it to be a factor.

            If it becomes the reason people consider him, she wins.

            If it becomes about the "first" whatever, she wins.

            Obama is transendent and she loses to that narrative.

            What Washington needs is adult supervision. --BARACK OBAMA

            by broui on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 04:04:08 PM PST

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        •  The McClurkin episode was completely... (3+ / 0-)
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          about race.

      •  No, they're not. (0+ / 0-)

        All of these verbal "slip-ups" from Camp Clinton fit with the earlier Shaheen "gaffe."

        In other words, they are not mistakes. The Lizza piece points out that the more "black" the Clinton camp can make Obama, the more they believe they'll cement Hispanics.

        The Clinton camp is purposely driving racial politics for electoral advantage.

      •  Interesting. (1+ / 0-)
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        Did Obama say that he was too black/not black enough?
        Did Obama use the LBJ > MLK reference?
        Did he say that he was shuckin and jivin?
        Did he disparage his abilities as if he were just a child?
        Did he reference himself as a possible drug dealer and cocaine user?

        If the answer to the above questions are "yes" then you are correct.

        If they are "no" the please provide evidence to support your assertion.

    •  Hillary has had many prominent latino... (1+ / 0-)
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      JamieG from Md

      endorsements since she announced last year.  How is anything different?  She always planned to seek the latino vote.

      •  Read Lizza's piece. (0+ / 0-)

        From his new piece in The New Yoker:

        Obama has an interest in downplaying his race in both states (South Carolina and Nevada). There are lingering tensions between the Hispanic and black communities which he doesn’t want to inflame, and some residual skepticism among black voters concerning Obama’s electability among whites. Interestingly, in the final days of the New Hampshire campaign, when defeat looked certain for Clinton, it was Hillary’s aides who started talking privately about racial politics. They argued that on February 5th, when twenty-two states vote, Hillary’s fire wall would be Hispanic voters in the largest states, such as California and New York.

        On the morning after Clinton’s victory, I talked to Sergio Bendixen, one of her pollsters, who specializes in the Hispanic vote. "In all honesty, the Hispanic vote is extremely important to the Clinton campaign, and the polls have shown—and today is not a great day to cite polls—that even though she was slipping with women in Iowa and blacks in South Carolina, she was not slipping with Hispanics," he said. "The fire wall doesn’t apply now, because she is in good shape, but before last night the Hispanic vote was going to be the most important part of her fire wall on February 5th." The implications of that strategy are not necessarily uplifting.

        When I asked Bendixen about the source of Clinton’s strength in the Hispanic community, he mentioned her support for health care, and Hispanic voters’ affinity for the Clinton era. "It’s one group where going back to the past really works," he said. "All you need to say in focus groups is ‘Let’s go back to the nineties.’ " But he was also frank about the fact that the Clintons, long beloved in the black community, are now dependent on a less edifying political dynamic: "The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."

        As Lizza points out, it is not in Obama's interest to play the race card. But it is in the Clinton camp's interest to play the race card. They want to make Obama the "black candidate," instead of the candidate for all.

        •  It is one thing to say latinos will support... (0+ / 0-)

          our candidacy in overwhelming numbers and be our firewall in the Feb 5 states.  It is another thing to mount a racist campaign directed against Obama to create an overwhelming suport amongst latinos.

          Not the same thing.

          •  The more the campaign is about race... (0+ / 0-)

            ... the more it hurts Obama and helps Clinton.

            Racial politics have been refreshingly absent from this campaign, partly because of the lack of diversity in the first two states and partly because Obama has never made his race central to his campaign. That’s about to change, as Nevada, with its large Hispanic population, and South Carolina, with its large black population, prepare to vote. Obama has an interest in downplaying his race in both states. There are lingering tensions between the Hispanic and black communities which he doesn’t want to inflame, and some residual skepticism among black voters concerning Obama’s electability among whites.

            Obama is harmed by having race become a central issue while Clinton is helped.

            That is a fact.

            •  If it is true that Clinton benefits, that... (0+ / 0-)

              in itself does not mean that the Clinton campaign has launched a racist campaign to attract latino voters.  What evidence of any Clinton campaign actions to attract latino voters do you have?

            •  No one is listening Bob. (0+ / 0-)

              You've hit the wall with the progressive blogosphere. This place is only better than republicans on race when it doesn't directly effect their interests.

              Thanks for trying with facts though. Notice that no one is reading your article or responding to it?

        •  Novak-style unattribuated quotes from (1+ / 0-)
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          "aides" do not interest me in the slightest.

        •  I suppose you credit the story that Obama's (0+ / 0-)

          aides in SC were pushing the "HIllary is a lesbian" story, or telling the press they needed to be covering Bill Clinton's current sexual affairs?
          DOH.

  •  Personally (4+ / 0-)
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    what I find unethical and cynical is that both campaigns have tried to spin the media's racial narrative. I just wish we got back to the issues. The people want solutions. We have recession jitters (yes even Fox news is using the R word) and we have a deficit that is going out of wazoo, a healthcare crisis and an endless war with people trying to blow us up. Aren't these the issues they should be debating and the media focusing on instead of race and gender? Seems like it's all about ratings and making a quick buck...country be damned.

  •  This is an excellent (3+ / 0-)
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    diary.  I am disapointed in the Obama campaign.

    Usually it is the Rs who lose their ethical compasses in SC.  Remember McCain's supposed illegitimate child in 2000.

    I am gld that the Edwards campaign has not been involved.  Edwards is talking about what he always does today: working people:

    "You've watched the mills close, the jobs leave -- it's been devastating for middle-class families. It is something that I take very personally because my grandparents worked in the mills, my dad worked in the mills, right here in South Carolina. And I know what it means when the mill closes and the jobs leave," the Democratic presidential candidate told voters gathered for a town hall meeting in Summerville, South Carolina.

    cnn

    With Clinton and Obama having strong support in the African American community in SC, I can understand the why.  But there is a cost to racial warfare in the Democratic Party.

    I'm not religious, but the Christian story has a saying that fits:

    What profiteth a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?

    Of course, I'm just naive, I suppose.  

    "They're going to give their power away when we take their power away." John Edwards

    by TomP on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 03:51:40 PM PST

  •  What's so strange about all of this (1+ / 0-)
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    Turkana

    is that race baiting does NOT help HIllary Clinton. Now in South Carolina, and not later. This is a Democratic primary we're talking about, after all.

  •  Celebrity candidates stoop to the... (1+ / 0-)
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    the lowest common denominator as they are awash in money and practice the most cynical politics of manipulation.

    This is where American democracy has descended.

    Anyone watching American Gladiator?

  •  race baiting (1+ / 0-)
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    I do not think the Clintons are racist.

    But there is a definite pattern of race-baiting going on here.

    I don't find it particularly subtle.

    For those who claim they not doing anything, all I can say is: There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    I think it's not a major party of the Clinton strategy but is aimed at trying to annoy the Obama campaign and to raise the race issue in the background.  If the Obama campaign replies too strongly, they will be accused of playing the race card.  But even if they don't respond, it will affect some news stories and some voters.

    The Clintons are playing a dangerous card.  There are many states they cannot win in November without a strong black vote.

    •  there are two parts to the story (2+ / 0-)
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      there were a few people who opened the race question and they got canned. But that left the opening for the media and the pundits (sheesh I hate using that word...a pundit is traditionally a learned person not some yahoo with a bully pulpit) to spin this primary as one about race. Since then anything and everything the Clintons say is scrutinized for possible or probable racial undertones. Since then it's all about race and gender which should not be the case.

  •  FYI on this diarist's history (0+ / 0-)

    Tarheel accused icebergslim of race-baiting here.

    more race-baiting (3+ / 0-)

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       Radiowalla, cpresley, SaneSoutherner

    I see nothing ILLEGAL here. The only crime that seems to have been committed here is a self-made millionaire immigrant giving money to Clinton and maiking his community voice heard (latinos are the largest minority community). How dare the brown people take part in politics and give money to HRC? Didn't you hear Obama already called her (D) Punjab? Right now all the immigrant donors of Hillary are getting pilloried by Obama campaign and then they ask why they do not get minority support other than rich white college kids!!

    by tarheel74 on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 07:55:22 AM PST

    Tarheel accused me of race-baiting here:

     RACE-BAITING revisited (3+ / 0-)

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    I am South Asian I find this diary again race-baiting. Oh those South Asians how dare they give money to democratic process?!! Well let me educate you rich white college folks, in case you haven't met any of us, we are the one of the most affluent minority groups. If we are listed as self-employed then either we are running our own small business or are professionals (most of the physicians in the under-served areas of this country are immigrants). The few who you listed as unemployed and thus found fishy, if you had done some research instead of written this race-baiting drivel, you would have found that either they are seniors or women. South Asian women also happen to be housewives and in charge of the purse-strings and make contributions to the political process. And finally we South Asians unabashedly support the Clintons because they have done the most for Asians and for third world people (living somewhere at the age of 10 does not count), but then again haven't you heard Obama and Axelrod has already called Hillary (D)Punjab? So we support her for that too.

    by tarheel74 on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 05:55:45 PM PST

    Then here, Tarheel accused Obama supporters in general of writing "one racist diary after another".

    they are the biggest bunch of race-baiters (0 / 0)

    They have written one racist diary after another unchecked. Shame on them. Shame on DailyKos. This is the lowest point.

    by tarheel74 on Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 11:56:17 AM PST

    [ Parent ]

    But of course, when icebergslim posted a tip jar entitled "Stop the race baiting, NOW", tarheel troll-rated it.

    Barack Obama. Because we can do better.

    by poblano on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 04:21:44 PM PST

  •  Again veiled racism is still racism (in my defens (1+ / 0-)
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    I have to say this in my defense in the comments section. This guy Poblano writes a comment putting up three of my comments.
    The first comment was in response to Iceberslim's diary which was about Hispnaic contributions to Hillary's campaign story in WashPo. That story was debunked but it still was posted by the person...moral of the story how can poor minorities contribute to Hillary's campaign.
    The second comment was to Poblano's diary in which he lined up all the names of people of South Asian origin who contributed to Hillary and inferred that since these people live in an impoverished district (no data given to substantiate that in his diary) they must be committing some sort of fraud...in other words is there a South Asian fraudster bundling for Hillary?
    The last troll rating was on a classic faux outrage diary regarding the Cuomo incident. Many people asked the author Icebergslim to update the diary once the full quote from Cuomo became available online but he refused to do so and stuck to his narrative. Given that he was deliberately propagating a false narrative I tr'ed his diary.

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