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crossposted from the Edwards blog with author dmortell's permission

I just sent the following email to Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews (ha!), Brian Williams, another NBC email address, and CNN.... since the media all want to know where John Edwards' supporters are going, I thought I'd let them know.

The media continue to speculate about which of the two remaining Democratic candidates will receive support from John Edwards' supporters. The answer is neither.

Considering that John Edwards has only "suspended" his campaign and did not outright quit, and given that he has already won delegates and that he can retain those delegates until the convention, and knowing that John Edwards' name is still on the ballots in primaries and caucuses across the country, John Edwards' supporters are choosing John Edwards.

As those of you who bothered to cover John Edwards already know, he has incredibly loyal supporters who believe that John Edwards is the heart and soul of the Democratic Party.  To hear the two remaining "American Idol" candidates attempt to mimic him is laughable, although complimentary, as they know Edwards was right about what needs to be fixed in this country. But their hearts are not in the right place in this race and it shows: they sound as phony as they are.  Furthermore, we know the remaining two are just saying what they think Edwards' supporters want to hear in their futile attempt to sway us to their camp.  It's not working.

Throughout this campaign both Obama and Clinton have stolen Edwards' ideas and policies and tried to claim them as their own because of their lack of vision for their own positions.  Edwards' stance on issue after issue was copied by them and subsequently perpetuated by the mainstream media as if the rock stars were the originators. You all know that Edwards was the first with a healthcare plan, first with the best ideas to combat global warming, first to even discuss poverty in America, pushed first to raise the minimum wage and fight for the middle class .... the list goes on.

John Edwards had the intestinal fortitude to speak the truth and stand up for the average person, something neither Obama nor Clinton can relate to.  Because of his honesty, he alienated the powerful and the greedy and was largely blacked out by the mainstream media.

We know, you all have bosses to answer to.  But your blatant lack of coverage was a disservice to the American voter. From the start, you portrayed the Democratic race as a "two-person" race simply to force your viewers to only look at Obama and Clinton.

John Edwards is a once in a lifetime candidate. It is shameful that the media's lack of coverage of Edwards means that the American people, en masse, were deprived of hearing his message.  His message is our message.  As I have stated, John Edwards is the heart and soul of the Democratic party.

So, where are John Edwards supporters going? They are going nowhere. They are voting for John Edwards.

Thank you.

end of post

UPDATE: I just want to be clear that I was not the original author of the piece. I received permission from the author to post this here because I thought it was worth sharing with everyone, especially seeing that it gives an answer to a question that the press has been asking for a few days now as well as the fact that it mirrors a lot of how I feel. So I don't deserve the credit for doing anything but posting it, but I will pass the kudos on to the original author... :D

Originally posted to poli's pages on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:21 PM PST.

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  •  Wouldn't he be at least a twice-in-a-lifetime (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    metal prophet, PhantomFly, poligirl

    candidate?

    Hillary Clinton. She'll say anything, and change nothing. It's time to turn the page.

    by PrometheusSpeaks on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:23:19 PM PST

  •  Sooo.... (2+ / 0-)
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    espresso, tkmattson

    other than most dailykos edwards fans who have picked either obama or hillary in endless diaries and the fact his poll ratings plummeted in the daily gallup tracker since he suspended right?

  •  Well this Edwards supporter is voting for (12+ / 0-)

    either Clinton or Obama.  I really liked Edwards, but he's out of the race, so rather than dwell on the past, I'm going for the future.

    I spent my MSM wrath a long time ago.

    NetrootNews coming soon!

    by ksh01 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:26:23 PM PST

    •  that's good! but there are quite a few who... (13+ / 0-)

      don't really like either of the remaining candidates and so would still like to see John pick up some delegates...

      good for you and your decision and i hope you respect mine, as a vote is a personal thing...

      --poligirl

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:33:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  i'm happy to vote for either in November (10+ / 0-)

        but on Tuesday, my vote belongs to the candidate I believe in and who speaks - or spoke - to my issues.

        That's JRE.

        Neither Clinton or Obama has worked for or even asked for my vote.  HRC & her supporters seem to have written it off and BHO and his supporters think they're OWED it somehow.

        JRE worked for it and I'm sticking with Johnny.

        Yes. There ARE progressive Democrats in Alabama. Visit with us at Left in Alabama

        by countrycat on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:39:26 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Respect is a given, but your diary title seems to (1+ / 0-)
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        poligirl

        speak for all of us, so if it were entitled "THIS Edwards supporter blah, blah, blah"

        But actually, no offense, I don't care who or what you vote for....it's part of the respect, actually.

        NetrootNews coming soon!

        by ksh01 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:44:30 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  as i noted in italics at the top... (3+ / 0-)

          of the diary - this diary was crossposted from the Edwards blog with the author's permission...

          i just thought the words were worth hearing...

          and thank for the respect! a vote is a personal thing and we all have our own personal beliefs that help us make our decisions...

          --poligirl :D

          (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

          by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:51:29 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  How do you KNOW Edwards would pick up... (2+ / 0-)
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        stephdray, poligirl

        delegates?

        In the sample ballot in New Jersey, there are no delegates listed by name for Edwards... only Obama and Clinton.

        Why can't we use the 140 billion to jump-start Universal Health Care? If we don't advocate for this, who will?

        by gooderservice on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:48:14 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  i never said i "know" he will pick up... (1+ / 0-)
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          gooderservice

          delegates. hell, i don't know if i'll be alive tomorrow...

          but you vote for the candidates and the delegates in New Jersey at the same time, and it sounds like they assume that Edwards will not pick up any delegates; however if he does, they will have to assign delegates to him, as he has not officially withdrawn from the race...

          he is still considered a candidate until he withdraws. the language is the part that is key in that...

          --poligirl

          (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

          by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:56:51 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  That "KNOW" part came off strong. (1+ / 0-)
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            poligirl

            I'm sorry about that.  But I've asked here in several diaries what will happen with people voting for Edwards in the New Jersey primary, whether he'll get any delegates or not.  I've not gotten a definitive answer.

            That makes a difference to me whether to vote for him or not.  If he gets delegates, no matter how many votes he gets (less than 15%), then I'll certainly vote for him.  But if he doesn't, then I won't.

            That's why I was asking how you knew.

            Why can't we use the 140 billion to jump-start Universal Health Care? If we don't advocate for this, who will?

            by gooderservice on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:01:22 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  where did i say that i "know"... (1+ / 0-)
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              gooderservice

              because if i "knew" that's exactly the word i would use...

              --poligirl

              (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

              by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:07:01 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  ahh... my bad... i read you subject line... (1+ / 0-)
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              gooderservice

              and prematurely commented on that last one.... my bad and my apologies...

              --poligirl  :o

              (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

              by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:07:50 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  ok... i have some info for you based upon.... (4+ / 0-)

              a post on the Edwards blog (edited for privacy):

              After reading what I knew to be misleading statements by xxxxxxxxxx on this forum, where xxxxxxxx cited NJ State Senator Richard J Codey as inferring that votes in NJ would not count, nor would they win him delegates, I decided to find out for myself.

              snip

              I decided to risk getting balled out, and telephoned the state senator. I found his number and called. He told me that he never made any such statement. That he respects Edwards and that any vote for Edward would count.

              So please do not allow anyone to tell you different. Edwards campaign is suspended, not ended, he hasn't made any firm decision as yet. Your vote for Edwards will be counted, and it would be a vote for the issues that Edwards has made paramount in this campaign.

              snip

              hope this helps...

              --poligirl

              (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

              by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:17:12 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  I think Edwards would probably prefer you (6+ / 0-)

    not vote for him at this juncture, hence the whole ending his campaign thing.

    This information cannot leave this room. Ok? It would devastate my reputation as a dude. Relentless!

    by ablington on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:27:44 PM PST

    •  well, now if you knew him personally, i... (9+ / 0-)

      might consider your advice, but since you don't well...

      and suspended does not mean ended...

      thanks for spreading your sunshine here today... :D

      Go Giants!

      --poligirl

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:29:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You are dellusional (2+ / 1-)
        Recommended by:
        stephdray, metal prophet
        Hidden by:
        Free Spirit

        Edwards is out of the race, now work with the rest of us to make sure a Democrat is elected.

        This Edwards' crush thing is so high school.

        The end game is the presidency not the nomination

        by stevej on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:44:45 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Only your comment is from high school. (3+ / 0-)
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          shpilk, poligirl, Fawkes

          This Edwards' crush thing is so high school.

          That's bull... and you know it.  

          And quit calling progressive, liberal supporters of ideas "delusional."  

          Your comments sound just like Bill O'Reilly.  Quit watching Keith and learning what Billo does.

          Why can't we use the 140 billion to jump-start Universal Health Care? If we don't advocate for this, who will?

          by gooderservice on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:50:25 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  And your comment (0+ / 0-)

            made no sense when after I spent more than three seconds thinking about it.

            Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

            by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:53:14 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  this from someone who attacked my (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              zbctj52

              comment as being from O'Reilly's Factor.

              That's rich. Really rich.

              "If you want to go quickly, go alone.
              If you want to go far, go together.
              We have to go far, quickly."

              by shpilk on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:57:09 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Your comment was much like (0+ / 0-)

                something from the Oreilly Factor, in it's total absence of truth and substance. Sorry if you misunderstood and thought I meant it was a right-wing meme you were introducing. You can mindlessly lie about a candidate and still be a blue-in-the-wool progressive.

                Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

                by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:01:47 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  I'll repeat again (1+ / 0-)
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                  zbctj52

                  Show me where Clinton or Obama pledge to take action to clean up the filthy mess Bush has made.  

                  Prove me wrong. Show me.

                  You make a charge, I suggest you be prepared to back it up .. 'total absence of truth and substance'.

                  Edwards did not hesitate, he clearly stated what he would do a number of times on the campaign trail, holding people to account for their actions.

                  Show me where either of the two remaining have stated they seek justice for the violations against the Constitution, and the restoration of it. Show me where either one asks for accountability, even. Other than Hillary saying her cute one liner about what book she'll take to the WH, they've both said zip, zero, zilch, nada.

                  "If you want to go quickly, go alone.
                  If you want to go far, go together.
                  We have to go far, quickly."

                  by shpilk on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:07:21 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  You've been played (0+ / 0-)

                    Edwards is just another politician. Just like Obama, just like Clinton. He used to be a centrist Democrat in 1998. He voted for the war in 2003. Yes, I'm glad he apologized, but I think it's transparently obvious that he did what he could to cultivate the liberal netroots. He was Howard Dean four years too late. But Dean's real heir, appears to be Barack Obama. Obama, though, unlike Dean, has made far fewer mistakes. Obama took Dean's playbook and improved the things that Dean did well and changed the things he did poorly.

        •  Edwards Supporters Are Far From Delusional (4+ / 0-)

          but you're being boorish and disrespectful.

          Another Proud Edwards Democrat.

          by lzachary on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:12:52 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  insults like that are sooo high school... (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Mlle Orignalmale, Free Spirit

          and i think most of us will vote for the Dem in November so don't you worry that we won't be backing a Dem...

          thanks for spreading your positive sunshine today! i'm so glad to hear so many positive things come from those who support other candidates...

          go Giants!

          --poligirl

          (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

          by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:22:55 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Stricly speaking, he didn't end it . . . (2+ / 0-)
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      gooderservice, poligirl

      he suspended it. However, I can't imagine that he'd have done so in the belief that everyone who supported him would stick by him to the bitter end. Rather, he figured the two rock stars would pick up the bulk of his support, and he might be lucky enough to pick up a delegate here and there from the die-hards, which might later give him some power to wield at the convention.

      If he'd ended his campaign, those delegates would already be released and told to run along and be free.

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:44:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  It would help if he made an endorsement (0+ / 0-)

      Or at least expressed his opinion on protest votes in his favor.  When he's no longer running, it seems a bit like an abdication of decision-making to me, but everyone seems to have a different idea of what voting is supposed to do or to mean.

      Stephanie Dray
      of Jousting for Justice, a lefty blog with a Maryland tilt.

      by stephdray on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:22:09 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Endorsement?! Why? (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Mlle Orignalmale, poligirl

        Could it be he hasn't endorsed either candidate because he doesn't agree with their policies?

        Edwards policies were closer to HRC's than BHO's.

        However, that ain't saying much since his policies were at least 170 degrees opposite of HRCs.

        •  actually (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          stephdray, poligirl

          i thought Edwards was closer to hrc in general, but to me, the differences weren't that big, just the degree of their dedication to any particular issue....Edwards was more of a populist voice, but they are all now in favor of drawing down the war, of doing something toward getting healthcare for all who need it, ending dependency on big oil, ending the tax cuts for the rich, joining in the fight to clean up our environment.

          What I liked about Edwards is that he couched his positions in the context of the plight of the middle class.

          HC couches here positions in terms of competence and ability, BO does it in the context of working together to change things.  If you asked her, I'm sure she'd say she wants to work together.  Her problem is the memory of the divisiveness of the Clinton presidency.  I don't think she herself has wasted a lot of time of divisive rhetoric as a senator.

          But BO is extremely inspiring and that's hard to fight.  It is for me as I try to decide.

          NetrootNews coming soon!

          by ksh01 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:47:01 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  If he asks me not to vote for him on March ... (3+ / 0-)
      ... 4th, I will certainly listen carefully to his argument. But, of course, he's got to convince me ... I'm a supporter, not a follower.

      If he has not withdrawn, and therefore his name is on the ballot, and neither of the Two Sitting Senators can be bothered to try to get my vote, sure, I'll vote for him.

      I'm not stupid enough to award my vote to one of the two just because they came out with watered down versions of some of Edwards policies ...

      ... if one of them want my support, they will show that they can come out with a progressive policy on their own initiative, without the strategic necessity if closing off the daylight between their position and Edwards.

    •  He can speak for himself, thank you (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mlle Orignalmale, poligirl

      And he has not told his supporters not to vote for him.

      The Senate is the last bastion of white supremacy. --Andrew Gumbel

      by Free Spirit on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:21:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hey I'm voting for him. (18+ / 0-)

    His name is still on the ballot in California. I waited a year to vote for John Edwards in 2008, so there. ;)

    (1) D.I.E.B.O.L.D.: Decisive In Elections By Ousting Liberal Democrats.
    (2) R.A.T.S.: Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia.
    (3) -8.75, -8.10

    by Archangel on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:28:08 PM PST

    •  exactly. i don't trust the other 2 yet and i... (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      lanikai, zbctj52, Archangel, Fawkes

      worked my heinie off for more than a year to be able to vote for him.

      and it is possible that he will pick up delegates...

      and i especially want everyone to know that it's OK to vote for him if you can't choose between the others - that their vote will be counted and not thrown in a trash bin...

      when you think about it too - here in Cali, a few million voters have already voted absentee as their ballots had to be in BY Feb 5th... so JRE has already been getting votes here...

      --poligirl

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:41:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I was an Edwards voter. (7+ / 0-)

    I cast my mail in ballot for Obama.

    So at least some of us are going somewhere

    Evolution is so obsolete, gotta stamp your hands and clap your feet! Gotta dance like a monkey, dance like a monkey, child.

    by espresso on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:34:50 PM PST

  •  Actually This Can Be Measured Mathematically (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know the number offhand but many supporters are going elsewhere.

    I went through this during the Dean campaign, I understand the loyalty and the reasons for it. But it's hardly unanimous.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:40:33 PM PST

  •  Way to generalize there, poligirl (5+ / 0-)
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    stevej, mijita, ksh01, tkmattson, Rosemary

    This Edwards supporter is happily voting for Obama on Tuesday.

    "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

    by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:41:41 PM PST

    •  and that's fine-but it's also ok to still vote... (9+ / 0-)

      for Edwards Tuesday as well if they just can't bring themselves to vote for one of the other 2...

      i've been sick to death to see all the "guilt" and "get over it" heaped upon Edwards supporters over the past few days...

      grieving is something that's emotional and everyone does it in their own way and in their own time...

      --poligirl

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:44:37 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, since I defected to Edwards from Obama (3+ / 0-)
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        mijita, gooderservice, poligirl

        in the first place, I'm hardly upset about having to swing back to Obama now.

        And if I were still living in Illinois, I might vote for Edwards anyway, just to get my barbaric yawp out there. But here in Massachusetts, Clinton is the favorite, with Obama maybe, just maybe, closing the gap. It seems clear to me that casting my ballot for Big O will do the most good here.

        "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

        by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:46:55 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  I grieved mightily over Wes Clark in 2004 (0+ / 0-)

        when he got out of the race. But I didn't vote for him anyway in our primary, even though his name was still on the ballot.
        I voted for John Edwards, who was actually in the race and had a chance. I liked him better than Kerry.  
        And this time around I'll be voting for Obama, because I like him better than Clinton. I want him to beat out Clinton.
        Much as I like Edwards, if I voted for him it would not help Obama beat Clinton. So such a move makes no sense to me.  

        •  yes, but did Clark suspend or withdraw?... (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          moira977

          Edwards is still technically a candidate - not because his name is on the ballot, but because he has only suspended his campaign...

          and the reason i will vote Edwards is that right now, i don't trust Obama or Hillary - at this point in time, i see them as equal in my opinion, so i don't care which one beats the other... i will vote Dem in the fall anyway...

          i am glad though that you were able to make a decision; i'm just not there yet and i may never be, but i'm pretty certain i won't get there before Tuesday....

          --poligirl

          (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

          by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:28:20 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  If you don't care between Obama and Clinton (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            poligirl

            it makes sense to vote for Edwards.
            I gave money to Edwards several times in recent months so know how you feel.
            But if the majority of Democratic primary voters preferred other candidates ... c'est la vie. I do feel obligated at this point to decide between the two remaining candidates.
            What resonates with me is, as others have pointed out, Hillary says "I can get things done"; Barack speaks in terms of "we" -- drawing in the people, the same way JFK inspired the country when he urged, "Ask what you can do for your country."
            I was 20 years old when Kennedy said that and it made a huge, lasting impression. That was 1961, at the dawn of the '60s emphasis on community and people power and yes, bringing change.
            Here it is almost a half-century later, and we haven't had any president since who so inspired people to become involved in changing things for the better.  Maybe Obama could.

            •  and that's great...for you... for me... (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Rosemary

              i do not see Obama like that... i'm glad you do enough to be able to vote for him, but i am just not there... not even close...

              and a vote is a personal thing for me...

              --poligirl

              (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

              by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 09:54:49 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

    •  I fail to understand... (4+ / 0-)
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      moira977, lzachary, invisiblewoman, Fawkes

      how you can be happy to be voting for the
      candidate who wants to reach across the aisle
      and work with Republicans, and is getting so
      much moderate and independent support.  Have
      you never asked yourself WHY these people are
      preferring Obama to Edwards?

      I also fail to understand how you can be happy
      to vote for the candidate who claimed (even as
      he was courting these very Republicans) that
      he was more progressive than John Edwards, and
      was the candidate who was "progressive before he
      started running for President".  There was nothing
      the least bit un-progressive about John Edwards
      suing corporate fatcats and winning.

      "You can't nice these people to death."-- John Edwards

      by ge0rge on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:44:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes, god forbid (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Geenius at Wrok, RenaRF

        Obama work with Republicans. He should have them all thrown in camps.

        Getting an agenda through congress is so passe. So is party building. What we really need is total gridlock of progressive ideas and alienation of everyone who might be inclined to give us a hand.

        Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

        by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:50:13 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  He should have them all thrown (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          lzachary, fumie, poligirl

          OUT OF OFFICE by running IN solidarity
          with a campaign that EXPLAINS JUST HOW
          BADLY GWB has FUCKED EVERYTHING UP.
          You cannot run huge trade deficits and huge
          fiscal deficits SIMULTANEOUSLY for YEARS ON END
          without CRIPPLING both the country's standing
          in the world economy AND the government's ability
          to help people.

          "You can't nice these people to death."-- John Edwards

          by ge0rge on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:09:53 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Congress IS UP this time! (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          Getting an agenda through congress is so passe.

          It does NOT require ANY Republican support.
          Bill Clinton's first budget passed 218-217 and
          51-50.

          And as for why the public at large decided to cut its
          own nose off to spite its face in 1994 as a result,
          YOU DON'T KNOW, and NEITHER DO THEY.

          "You can't nice these people to death."-- John Edwards

          by ge0rge on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:11:35 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  I could live with that... (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          He should have them all thrown in camps.

          As long as he tossed all the enabling Democrats in with them.

          The Senate is the last bastion of white supremacy. --Andrew Gumbel

          by Free Spirit on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:30:16 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Do we really need this kind of narrow-mindedness? (5+ / 0-)
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        How exactly do you expect to get progressive policies passed without involving moderates, independents and Republicans? Rub a magic lamp and wish for an unassailable progressive majority? We don't have one. Obama is a messenger who can sell the progressive message to people who wouldn't be receptive to it coming from anyone else -- and you're talking like that taints him. I'm fucking mystified.

        "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

        by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:50:16 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  their purity hawks (0+ / 0-)

          with no understanding about how our government works, I might add.

          Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

          by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:54:58 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Please. "They're." (3+ / 0-)

            I'm a middle school English teacher. You're hurting me.

            "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

            by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:55:41 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  opps, sorry (3+ / 0-)

              just woke up from a three hour nap and I'm still foggy.

              Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

              by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:59:43 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  "No understanding of how our government works"?? (2+ / 0-)
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              I am smarter than you are.
              I am smart enough to perceive that the
              Republican party filibusters everything to death,
              in COMPLETE solidarity, and then when WE have
              the temerity to MERELY try to hold the line on
              a few extremist judicial appointees, THEY threaten
              to abolish the filibuster.

              Those people are EVIL, PERIOD.
              The fact that Barack Obama will not say this is
              the reason why a lot of his liberal supporters are
              going to be VERY disappointed after he gets elected.

              "You can't nice these people to death."-- John Edwards

              by ge0rge on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:04:34 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE (0+ / 0-)

                And I suppose we're all educated stupid.

                "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

                by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:06:44 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

              •  You are not smarter than me (0+ / 0-)

                At least not about this. You think in absolutist terms, and if there's one thing I've learned in eight years under King Shrub, it's that absolutism leads to evil.

                Absolutist is also incompatible with our system of government. If you were really smarter than me, you'd know that already.

                I hope you are very disappointed, because given the glimpse of what goes on in your sick head, I can only hope you never get what you want for this country. One George Bush was bad enough, I don't want to live through another.

                Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

                by Goldfish on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:02:11 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

          •  um, i'm a contributing author to college level... (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Mlle Orignalmale

            American Government textbooks...

            also, i have been working grassroots in politics for 22 years, the first 5 of them as a Republican, so i can assure you, i not only know how the government works, but i know how the Republicans operate...

            so no, not all of us are purity hawks.. or purity doves...

            --poligirl

            (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

            by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:19:01 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  so what? (0+ / 0-)

              Any decent text is going to address and investigate various methodologies to bring out political change.

              i mean, it's great you get to write for one that investigates an approach of completely leaving people out of their government to further their political agenda.

              I learned a lot from books that analyzed leftist fascism too.

              •  um, i was accused of not knowing how... (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Mlle Orignalmale

                our government works...  Intro to American Government pretty much explains how the government works.... i'm not talking about the analytical style textbooks that i think you are thinking of...

                and i'm not quite sure what you're basing your second para on - unless it's just extreme distaste for Edwards and his supporters that are still standing with him...

                but oh well, insult away! it is your prerogative...

                --poligirl

                (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

                by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:39:07 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  I wasn't accusing you (0+ / 0-)

                  Unless of course, you also think Obama is some sort of sell-out for ::gasp:: wanting to work with Republicans.

                  If that's the case, I hope I never, in the course of my education, spent money on books you've edited.

                  Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

                  by Goldfish on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:09:46 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

            •  In fairness (0+ / 0-)

              while I don't like your diary, my comment about "purity hawks" was directed to the joker who said Obama wants to "sing songs" with Republicans.

              Anyone who knows anything about US government knows the only way to get things done (aside from trying to destroy our system the way Bush has) is to somehow get enough of the other side to go along with you that you can get your agenda through. You edited polisci text books, that much you should know intuitively.

              Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

              by Goldfish on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:05:34 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  yes, but the catch is - it actually has TO BE... (0+ / 0-)

                done - not just talked about....

                look at what congress has accomplished in the 3 years since O and H have been there.

                everytime i see a compromise, i can see what we gave up, but much of the time lately with this congress especially,  i haven't seen much of a return on our compromises...

                now that would be congress's fault. and they are doing the negotiating thing all the time now...

                and who's in the current congress? oh yeah....

                --poligirl

                (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

                by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:49:15 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Strange (0+ / 0-)

                  I didn't know Obama or Hillary were the Senate Majority Leader.

                  Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

                  by Goldfish on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:48:40 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  don't be fooled... the Senate majority leader... (0+ / 0-)

                    does not hold all that much power...

                    there are more ways in the Senate to get a bill heard and voted on than there are in the House, where the Speaker controls everything that gets to the floor.

                    further, any Senator can put a hold - even an anonymous one - on any bill AND any Senator can filibuster. lots more tools in the Senate. that's why i like it more...

                    --poligirl

                    (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

                    by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:14:56 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

        •  by WINNING ELECTIONS, dumbass (1+ / 2-)
          Recommended by:
          poligirl
          Hidden by:
          Geenius at Wrok, gossamer

          How exactly do you expect to get progressive policies passed without involving moderates, independents and Republicans? Rub a magic lamp and wish for an unassailable progressive majority?

          You are asking exactly the wrong question.
          The ACTUAL relevant question is, how in the hell
          can the Republicans reasonably expect to get
          51% in ANY election, ANYwhere, when they are shitting
          all over the 65% of the population that makes LESS than
          $65K/yr?  Why do there exist people without medical
          insurance who vote Republican?
          ALL you have to do to get 60 progressive voices
          in the Senate is GO ON TV AND TELL PEOPLE TO VOTE
          FOR THE PERSON WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GIVE THEM
          SOME MEDICAL INSURANCE.  Or who is going to cut
          THEIR taxes AND NOT RICH PEOPLE'S!   And who is going
          to END THIS WAR, thereby saving BILLIONS of dollars
          PER DAY!

          No, we won't say or do much about terrorism or
          immigration. But if you hate brown people or gay
          people then YOU'RE JUST A HATER AND YOU DESERVE
          to suffer for it.

          THAT is how you do it.

          "You can't nice these people to death."-- John Edwards

          by ge0rge on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:02:36 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Keep Livin' the Dream, Dude (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          Keep livin' the dream.  The Repugs don't play that way and never will.  The Dems still don't get that.  They're too busy trying to beat the Repugs at their own game and it's never going to happen.

          Until the Dems create a new game, a better game, it's going to be a lose/lose proposition.

          Another Proud Edwards Democrat.

          by lzachary on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:17:40 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  THANK YOU (0+ / 0-)

          Why is it that "progressives" echo the far right when they think you should throw the baby out with the bathwater?

          •  i think part of it has been because... (0+ / 0-)

            a lot of us are not happy with the way the Democratically controlled congress has been acting upon Democratic values...

            every time i hear that the Republicans filibustered and then i read that a compromise was made, i usually read about it and think "ok, i see what we gave up; now what is it exactly that they gave up?"

            compromise has been alive and well as has working with the repubs in this congress and it's gotten us next to no where. and O and H are part of this congress for better for worse...

            that's probably the answer to your "why"...

            --poligirl

            (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

            by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:46:19 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  eh? (0+ / 0-)

            wtf?

            Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

            by Goldfish on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:14:48 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  re I fail to understand... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        poligirl

        how you can be happy to be voting for the candidate who wants to reach across the aisle and work with Republicans, and is getting so much moderate and independent support.  Have you never asked yourself WHY these people are preferring Obama to Edwards?

        Yes, I have.  And I believe I just learned why the other day, when Obama referred to citizens/voters being "desperate."

        I believe Obama's message of hope is appealing just as is Bush's message of fear.  I believe people are tired of being scared, and it's a much-needed relief to be hopeful, just as Obama's messages always refer to.

        Reaching across the aisle to repubs is not what we need;  we need strong leaders to set the agenda and accomplish it.  If the repubs want to jump aboard, fine.  But no need to compromise to make things all pretty.

        Why can't we use the 140 billion to jump-start Universal Health Care? If we don't advocate for this, who will?

        by gooderservice on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:58:06 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  moderate Republicans are NOT "desperate"! (0+ / 0-)

          Are you sure you heard Obama refer to those
          voters as being desperate??  Voters who are
          actually desperate were voting Democratic FROM
          A LONG WAY BACK!  THE ONLY places where desperate
          white people vote Republican are IN THE SOUTH
          WHERE RACISM HAS THEM TWISTED.
          And Tony Frank does NOT actually KNOW what's the
          matter with Kansas.  And the 15% of Kansans in the
          Middle do NOT KNOW why THEY voted For Sebelius and
          Against Kerry.

          But you said,

          Reaching across the aisle to repubs is not what we need;  we need strong leaders to set the agenda and accomplish it.  If the repubs want to jump aboard, fine.  But no need to compromise to make things all pretty.

          If you actually believe this then it is really important for you not to vote for Obama.  It also wouldn't hurt to give a fellow-traveler a rec'.

          "You can't nice these people to death."-- John Edwards

          by ge0rge on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:08:27 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  I Can't Believe in the Audacity of Hope (4+ / 0-)
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          I can only believe in the audacity of action.  Hope has never accomplished a damned thing.  EVER.

          Another Proud Edwards Democrat.

          by lzachary on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:19:30 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  This Edwards Supporter... (4+ / 0-)
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    gossamer, snout, tkmattson, Bridge Master

    is going with Obama on Tuesday. Edwards is no longer in the running and I believe that the best chance now for  not only a Dem Presidential election victory but a massive repudiation of Rethugs all the way down the ticket is to vote for Obama.

  •  Fine (3+ / 2-)

    make yourself politically irrelevant. I could care less what you do.

    However, I doubt most of Edwards' supporters are such myopic sore losers.

    Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

    by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:47:48 PM PST

    •  Haven't You Insulted Edwards Supports Enough? (7+ / 0-)

      Don't you have some rah-rah Obama diary to infest?

      Another Proud Edwards Democrat.

      by lzachary on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:21:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Is that even possible? (0+ / 0-)

        Seems like it would be hard to do the dKos Edwards crowd justice.



        Obama: "You can disagree without being disagreeable."
        dKos: "If you aren't disagreeable, you aren't really disagreeing."

        by Vincenzo Giambatista on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:25:13 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  How did I insult all Edwards supporters? (0+ / 0-)

        I explicitly implied they were forward thinking and concerned about the growth of the Democratic Party.

        I guess to people who believe Obama wants to cuddle up with Republicans, such a suggestion of unity is indeed an insult, but I think the majority of Edwards supporters will correctly see what the next step is.

        Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

        by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:43:12 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  you did insult me twice in the comment referenced (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          make yourself politically irrelevant. I could care less what you do.

          However, I doubt most of Edwards' supporters are such myopic sore losers.

          you told me my choice would make me politically irrelevant AND you called me a myopic sore losers...

          if that isn't insulting, i'd hate to see what you do call insulting... :o

          --poligirl

          (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

          by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:56:11 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Why don't you stuff it? (5+ / 0-)

      Why must you insult people?  And you clearly don't know a thing about most Edwards supporters.  It's not a question of being a sore loser - it's a question of loyalty and sticking with the candidate that we believe is best for America.  

      I am an EDWARDS Democrat

      by Sally in SF on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:29:44 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I would like to Goldfish (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      but niether one can inspire like Edwards can.  

      This is a primary.  We can vote with our hearts in a primary.  In the general, we'll stand by whoever wins, but in the primary there's no such urgency.  

      •  I don't buy it (0+ / 0-)

        I never found Edwards that inspiring, and I can sort of see how some could, I don't see how those people can look at Obama and not see the same thing. Part of Obama's success has been tapping into the same vain as Edwards, but in an objectively far more effective way (it's same message, but bringing people together is a lot more appealing to a lot more people than telling them there are two Americas).

        While I can see how that would lead to resentment from hardcore Edwards supporters, now that the race is over I'm mystified as to why on Earth any of his supporters who claim to be inspired by John Edwards message wouldn't want to line up from someone carrying the same banner. But instead it seems many (though from what I see hardly most) Edwards supports instead want to engage in rabid hostility towards Obama based on dishonest mischaracterizations of his message.

        It's sad that when we have two candidates deeply committed to progressive values that the supporters of one feel such animosity towards the other, but that's where we stand. It's irrational, it's unproductive, and it's sad, very, very sad.

        Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

        by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:52:25 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  see, but you don't see Obama the way some of us.. (0+ / 0-)

          do... it's your opinion that they carry the same message, but that message is change, but it's the policies and plans about how and what is needed for this change is what the very big difference is between John and Barack.

          and it's only unproductive to getting YOUR candidate elected....

          --poligirl

          (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

          by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 02:02:44 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  thanks for being the beacon of positivity... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      moira977

      that you are...

      btw, calling names and hurling insults shows what type of human being you are... thanks for bringing that out into the daylight...

      and as long as i have my vote, i will never be politically irrelevant...

      --poligirl

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:25:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  heh, troll rated for that? (0+ / 0-)

      What fucking sore losers.

      Never rely on any plan that requires a dozen or more Republicans to do the right thing

      by Goldfish on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:41:17 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm voting for Howard Dean! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    poligirl

    Or Jimmy Carter.

    •  I'm Clean for Gene! nt (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      poligirl

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:51:02 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I shook McCarthy's hand (4+ / 0-)
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        moira977, lzachary, zbctj52, poligirl

        For a 13 year old, it was an occasion to not wash my hand for 3 days. But I was 13 then, so I had an excuse.

        And like Edwards, McCarthy had principles.

        I should have worked for John in NH: I regret not doing so now.

        "If you want to go quickly, go alone.
        If you want to go far, go together.
        We have to go far, quickly."

        by shpilk on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:00:24 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  It wouldn't have helped (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          I doubt anything could have made many New Englanders vote for a highland Southerner. Edwards' background is great for the general but not so good for the Democratic primary, especially this year.

          "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

          by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:01:58 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  I have commented before (7+ / 0-)

    I trust John to endorse someone that he knows.
    I do not know the two remaining candidates, and appreciate a filter.
    I intend to vote for him in my Texas primary in hopes he gets some delegates.

    Cowards die many times before their deaths... Shakespeare, Julius Ceasar, II, 2

    by on the cusp on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 05:53:37 PM PST

  •  Good letter (4+ / 0-)
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    Sally in SF, moira977, Terre, poligirl

    Thanks for writing a good letter to the media outlets. I will be voting for Edwards on Tuesday. I do not really see a difference between Hillary and Obama so there is no way I could vote for either one on Tuesday.

    •  Difference between Clinton and Obama (0+ / 0-)

      Visit Keith Poole's Voteview website. Obama, in his first term in the Senate, is tied for the 10th most liberal voting record, ninth among Democrats. Clinton's record, over the last several Congresses, places her between 20th and 25th. Not a huge difference, but a statistically significant one that gives Obama the progressive edge.

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:05:29 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Geenius, you just don't "get it" (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        moira977, poligirl

        do you?  Aren't you listening?

        Does the saying, "Six of one, half dozen of another" mean anything to you?

        It's not JUST their voting records.  It's that we see NO difference between the two of them after you consider each of their pros and cons.

        Edwards was/is the TRUE progressive candidate.

        A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.

        by Terre on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:53:09 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yes, I'm listening. (0+ / 0-)

          Are you?

          Of course I've heard the saying "Six of one, half-dozen of the other." I don't agree that it applies in this case.

          Then again, perhaps my perceptions are distorted by my being from Chicago and having some actual familiarity with Barack Obama's career.

          "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

          by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:05:30 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  everyone's perceptions are internally weighted... (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            moira977, Terre

            you can't necessarily say that your opinion of O is correct simply because you are familiar with his career.

            you can say that your opinion is correct in terms of how you weight your vote because you are familiar with his career and you know the things that mean the most to you personally...

            somehow i doubt all Chicagoans that are familiar with Obama's career are supporting him...

            --poligirl

            (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

            by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:51:50 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I can't say my opinion is correct (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              poligirl

              . . . period. Because it's my opinion.

              And -- here's the weird part -- neither can you, and neither can Terre.

              The voting record, on the other hand, is a demonstrable fact. As are the candidates' respective histories.

              "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

              by Geenius at Wrok on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 04:31:26 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  well, you could say that your opinion is... (0+ / 0-)

                correct for using as your guide...

                and yes, voting records are a fact, however, like i noted, i doubt that all Chicagoans that are familiar with Obama's voting record are supporting him...

                so while his voting record may be in fact THE key guide for you, it is not necessarily weighted the same in their decisions by all who are familiar with it...

                that's all i'm saying...  :D

                --poligirl

                (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

                by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:41:49 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

    •  thanks maggie! and to be fair... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      moira977, Terre

      i just crossposted it from the Edwards blog with the permission of the author...

      i just thought it was something that needed to be heard... food for thought...

      --poligirl

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:30:03 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  YES! (5+ / 0-)

    i couldnt agree with you more!!
    my support for john edwards is unwavering...

    we can still make a difference...
    spread the word till we are heard...

    the edwards girl

    www.intheknowwithhpro.com

  •  oh and one more thing... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Sally in SF, poligirl

    if anybody has any questions about where edwards supporters stand...they can watch this...

    http://myspacetv.com/...

    ciao ciao!

  •  Great diary, poligirl! (8+ / 0-)

    The other two candidates' supporters and Wall street had a similar reaction when our candidate suspended his campaign; a sigh of relief. It's sad to see so many so called progressives tow in line, behind one of the two establishment candidates Like Ted Kennedy did, even though Obama has talked silly of Ted in the past as some divisive figure and being too old.

    It is a shame, and do most other Obama supporters of HRC supporters care about the lack of coverage and lack of an incentive for voters in our democracy? NO, in fact they are using the exact same talking points that the COM gave them from day 1. You would think "progressives" would believe a man could progress, but instead they pretending that their establishment candidate is the real progressive, even though he's repeated the same rhetoric that insurance companies use against UHC and consumers. That's why Obama was never my choice and both he and HRC use the "trial lawyer epithet that is famous for the Insurance lobby to use against plaintiffs. At least Hillary voted against medical malpractice reform pushed by this president, but I still hold her accountable for using their language.

    If you support one of the two COM media candidates, you're not different, you're not part of a progressive movement, and you have led yourself to support the fall of any fairness doctrine we were trying to get back with the blogosphere IMHO. It's no wonder that no one realizes that only John Edwards is serious and vocal about no military bases in Iraq, but so called well informed Obamabots didn't head the call on their number one issue. Even Micheal Moore took notice, but everyone just kept repeating he was against the war from the beginning, because he wrote a speech, while continually funding the war for years like HRC.

    So there is no real choice for me; I'm going to leave it to Democrats to screw this decision up, like they did by not nominating the best performing candidate against McCain. I will vote for the nominee, but if failure is what comes, then I don't want to hear shit about the COM bias from those who cared not and were in denial with how they were treating John Edwards.

    If we don't win this election, it's our own fault, and I will never forgive our constituents for this shit, if we get 100 years in Iraq McCain. I will register as an independent if we lose after I vote in the GE. Because then this party will become insignificant like this country, and our party is to blame for not speaking out and treating John Edwards's campaign fairly. John Edwards deserves my vote and no other candidates have earned it, so until November, I will be here and I will continue to support my wonderful colleagues here at the Sunday EENR and I will be voting for edwards on the TX ballot.

    Great diary, poligirl. You've stirred up some strong feelings.lol.

     I will stand with you and Edwards supporters, always.

    I will fight forever onward, for I am a fighting Edwards Democrat!

    by priceman on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:12:38 PM PST

    •  my feelings exactly (4+ / 0-)
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      So there is no real choice for me; I'm going to leave it to Democrats to screw this decision up, like they did by not nominating the best performing candidate against McCain. I will vote for the nominee, but if failure is what comes, then I don't want to hear shit about the COM bias from those who cared not and were in denial with how they were treating John Edwards.

    •  Wow, we fellow democrats appreciate your support (0+ / 0-)

      I'm going to leave it to Democrats to screw this decision up,

      Thanks!!!

      I'd recommend saltines with your sour grapes.

      •  I am a Democrat (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm just not a fan of "group think." Or towing party line over principals.

        It's merely frustration with my party, in which I make this statement.

        It's well deserved and I may not stay a Democrat considering what happens. 3 failures in a row would be unforgivable and would show exactly how hopeless our DLC-led candidates have become. Those who recognize this are lamenting the real progressive voice from this campaign that has defined, admittedly by the other candidates, the whole platform of this race thus forcing them both to take suit.

        DLC advisers and centrist thinking has brought us a do-nothing Democratic Congress, except for Chris Dodd and exceptions like that, but also brought us the failures of Al Gore's campaign, John Kerry's campaign, and the impending failed strategy of thinking that bipartisanship is going to solve our problems, or experience working a dirty corrupt system is going to bring change.

        I'm saying that the majority of Democratic voters do not know why we have the problems we do and they have all been duped into thinking that sitting Washington Lobbyists who own Congress down at the "big table" is somehow going to accomplish UHC.

        That and John Edwards is the only candidate who wouldn't have to worry right now about beating McCain, despite his recent lead in the polls, he hasn't been outperforming him like Edwards did in a summary of all match-ups. Democrats, my fellow Democrats, are making the same bad decisions, by nominating the same bad candidates with the same bad advisers that have the same horrible track record of electoral success, over the past 8 years.

        I want real change, and I want real progress and I still wish John Edwards was our nominee, because only he could fight to bring these things to us in GE, but Democrats said no to all of that.

        That's the real point.

        I will fight forever onward, for I am a fighting Edwards Democrat!

        by priceman on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:01:38 PM PST

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        •  Go wherever you want (0+ / 0-)

          I am a card-carrying member of the Green Party.  And I've never been more disappointed in a poltiical party in my life.  Talk about some people who acted like they couldn't care less about my donation, let alone my vote.

          Disorganized mess.

          My bottom line is and always has been that parties are bullshit.  As long as it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to wage a campaign for national office, people like you and I will never count for shit.  Even to Edwards, even to Obama, even to Clinton even to Kucinich.  And this party system feeds that beast.

          Jimmy Carter was the last person elected president who had to sleep on people's couches during his campaign.

          It will take THAT level of true campaign finance reform to fix this system.  And THAT would require these poseurs to cut their noses off to spite their political faces.

          Not going to happen. It's pathetic and sad.

          Some day maybe we can have a beer and I'll tell you the real reason I support Obama.

          But I'd never say it on this website.  It's too rational and empirical for most to deal with.

  •  We echo your voice (4+ / 0-)
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    We too are voting for Edwards in our primary. Everytime I see those silly pundits talk about where are Edwards' supporters going, I just want to throw something at the TV.

  •  You tell 'em! I ain't going nowhere. (5+ / 0-)

    I voted for Edwards with my absentee ballot in CA more than 2 weeks ago and I'll be with him all the way to the convention.  The media just doesn't get it that most Edwards supporters are loyal and dedicated.  We are not FICKLE!  

    I am an EDWARDS Democrat

    by Sally in SF on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 06:26:11 PM PST

  •  Dang it, y'all keep ignoring Dennis! (4+ / 0-)
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    Kucinich was actually the first candidate to come out with a lot of what Edwards later ran on.  But annoyance aside, I do agree that with Edwards out of the race his supporters are likely to go neither of the prima donnas' campaigns.

  •  Tom Petty endorses Edwards! (4+ / 0-)
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    You heard it here first.

    He sang Edwards' theme song during the superbowl halftime!!!  

    It's Tom Petty code meaning

    Don't back down and vote Edwards!

  •  Except that... (1+ / 0-)
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    His national support has dipped to something like 4%.  I think most of them did go somewhere.  I'm not saying it ain't a shame, but come on...

  •  I love your letter. (4+ / 0-)
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    And I too am voting for John Edwards and nobody can stop me.

    I am an EDWARDS DEMOCRAT.

    by be inspired on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:04:09 PM PST

    •  thanks... and actually - i just... (1+ / 0-)
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      crossposted it from the Edwards blog with the author's permission... i just thought it was sentiment that needed to be heard...

      --poligirl :D

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:38:16 PM PST

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  •  John Edwards Supporters (5+ / 0-)
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    We are sticking with the very best candidate running. People have said to me, "well, he's not running, surely you will support either Clinton or Obama?" My answer: None of the above. Over time I firmly believe his ideas will be shown to point the way to what the American people want from their President. John Edwards needs to be there and his supporters need to be there to jump into service when he does return!

    Having said all of that, I want to be very clear: Whoever the Democrats put up I will vote for. These years of Republican rule (as opposed to governance) have very nearly ruined my America and I'm waiting for John Edwards, riding an intellectual white horse to return and save us all!!! Clinton is just Bill running for a third term. He cannot. Obama is charming - love her and those girls turn my heart to mush. He is a magnificant orator!!!! Those qualities do not a president make.

    I could change my mind, if the answer to this question were right. The question: Who will be the head of the DNC when you become president? Unless the answer is Howard Dean (and his 50-state strategy) I will not be happy. No, I will not vote for third party candidate. No, I'm not waiting for Blumberg to decide to run. The only thing I am waiting for is the return of John Edwards! On election day 2008, I'm casting my vote for the Democratic candidate. Until then, I will pray to all dieties who rule the universe: give me back John Edwards!

  •  The message I sent to my One Corps chapter (6+ / 0-)

    with a positive response so far (we're in VA with a 2/12 primary):

    A vote for Edwards on 2/12 is not wasted

    It's been a long week for Edwards supporters, and many of you may have already moved on to a new candidate. I want to offer my own perspective and some thoughts on our upcoming Virginia Presidential Primary on Tuesday, Feb. 12th.

    John Edwards ran an honest and issue driven campaign.

    From his announcement in the Lower 9th of New Orleans, he made sure that this campaign would be about more than winning a race -- it was and is about raising the level of discourse in our Party.

    After six years in Washington and the 2004 campaign, John Edwards spent time  reflecting on what was wrong and what was right -- on his part in it all, and what to do next. When he reemerged from that period of self-reflection, he did so with a stronger sense of self and a greater determination to stay true to his own core beliefs and those he saw as central to the principles of the Democratic Party.

    John Edwards made the campaign for our Party's Presidential nomination one of bold Democratic ideas.

    Universal health care, a climate change strategy actively supported by Friends of the Earth, a strong and substantive economic stimulus package  reflecting both economic justice and a long-term strategy, a program for a green economy that builds bridges between two diverse groups in the party--labor and environmentalists, a rural recovery plan recognizing that most of this country doesn't live in urban areas. The other candidates wisely followed his lead.

    In this campaign, John Edwards also spoke for the voiceless.

    The people like James Lowe who lived speechless for 50 years because of lack of money and adequate health care. The people in a small South Carolina town that doesn't have running water or regular electricity. The people in a Cleveland suburb devastated by foreclosures. The family of a beautiful teenage girl who died while the insurance company argued over whether or not to cover a life-giving transplant.

    John Edwards spoke for the 200,000 veterans of our armed services who are homeless, for the thousands of people in New Orleans and across the Gulf Coast still without homes to return to, for you and me and everyone in America who wants to leave a better world for the generations to come.

    I am an Edwards Democrat.

    When I first became interested in John Edwards' candidacy in 2006, I learned he was focusing on issues around poverty and stengthening the middle class, about making college affordable and ensuring that the labor movement is strong. What I didn't realize is that, in the John Edwards campaign, I would find that marriage of politics and issues and values that resonates so deeply in my own life.

    With the suspension of his campaign this week, Edwards returned to where he started -- the Lower 9th of New Orleans. Standing in the midst of a slowly-rebuilding Musicians' Village and just before he and his whole family would participate in a Habitat for Humanity project there, Edwards once again reminded us that

    "...we, as citizens and as a government, have a moral responsibility to each other, and what we do together matters. We must do better, if we want to live up to the great promise of this country that we all love so much."

    I am an Edwards Democrat.

    We began this campaign together looking to what we can do today to make a better tomorrow.

    On February 12th, I will cast my vote in the Virginia Presidential Primary for John Edwards because I believe that his campaign, our campaign, has stood for what is good and right about the Democratic Party and the American people.

    In the general election, you vote for the one you want to win; in the primary, you have the opportunity to vote based on who you believe  represents the best of our Party. Your vote in the primary can send a message to Party leaders and the other candidates.

    By voting for Edwards on February 12th, I am saying that the issues and values Edwards brought to this campaign are ones I want my Party to stand for and to honor. By voting for Edwards, I am sending the message that these issues and the policy proposals he advocated must be part of our  Party's future.

    I hope you will consider the message your vote will send. I believe that casting your vote for John Edwards can send a powerful message.

    Join me in standing up as an Edwards Democrat.

    Other One Corps chapters around the country are continuing to meet and  operate, to volunteer and come together to participate in campaigns for progressive candidates standing up for the same issues and answers as John Edwards. They are also continuing the unique blend of politics and social  action that John Edwards represents so well.

    If you are interested, please contact me at ...@.. .com.

    edgery Tomorrow Begins Today With Us!

    Another Edwards Democrat, building a movement one step at a time

    by edgery on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:14:44 PM PST

  •  So true poligirl... (3+ / 0-)
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    thanks for the heartfelt diary that expresses exactly how I feel too.

    "Imagine all the people, Living life in peace..." -John Lennon

    by angrybird on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:19:53 PM PST

  •  The most important vote to me (4+ / 0-)
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    is my own and I will be voting John Edwards on Feb. 5th.

  •  "Edwards' list of 'firsts'" (0+ / 0-)

    Edwards' stance on issue after issue was copied by them and subsequently perpetuated by the mainstream media as if the rock stars were the originators. You all know that Edwards was the first with a healthcare plan, first with the best ideas to combat global warming, first to even discuss poverty in America, pushed first to raise the minimum wage and fight for the middle class .... the list goes on.

    EDWARDS pushed first to push to raise the minimum wage?  Really?  Before Kucinich?  Can you prove that?

    Edwards was first with a healthcare plan?  So back in 1993 John Edwards had a healthcare plan?

    Edwards was first with the best ideas to combat global warming?  Really.  So EDWARDS listened to Al Gore first?  REALLY?

    First to discuss poverty in America?  Really?  So Obama's late 90s speeches I've read about poverty when he was living and working in Chicago must've been actually been written by John Edwards in 2006 then huh?

    Look, I was supporting Edwards until just a short time ago.  And I agree that he was a tremendous candidate.  But this diary is really mired by inaccurate information.  You're seriously elevating him to an unrealistic status.  It's kinda  pathetic really.

    •  i believe it was meant in this election... (3+ / 0-)
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      not in this lifetime...

      in this election - when read in the proper frame, it's not inaccurate information...

      thanks for the insult at the end too... real decent of ya...

      --poligirl

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:47:08 PM PST

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      •  feel free to take it however you want (0+ / 0-)

        Coming from someone with such an overblown sense of sanctimony about their candidate (they are all mere mortals after all), I guess I can see where characterizing mis-statements of provable facts as "pathetic" would seem like an insult.

        Hopefully sometime after November everyone will grow up.  Just try not to lose too much sleep between now and then.
        /snark

        •  i'm well aware that JRE is a mere mortal... (2+ / 0-)
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          and not a perfect candidate (imo he's more perfect than the other 2 though)...

          and i'm not voting for the man, i'm voting for the cause.

          and just one point on your talking about misstatements: so you are saying that John Edwards was NOT the first person to come out with a UHC during this campaign season?

          cuz i have a hunch you knew from the beginning that the context for the penned remarks was this campaign season, but you needed to cut that sentiment down to better your candidate...

          just sayin'...

          --poligirl

          (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

          by poligirl on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 09:03:17 PM PST

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          •  a couple of things (0+ / 0-)

            cuz i have a hunch you knew from the beginning that the context for the penned remarks was this campaign season,

            No, actually that context was not clear from the exposition.  It may have been clear from the assumptions you brought to your diary, but I don't pretend to divine those things.  Your diary was taken at face value, and that context was not clearly inferred.

            but you needed to cut that sentiment down to better your candidate...

            First, which is it, a sentiment or a context?

            Second, which cadidate, Edwards, Kucinich, Edwards again or Obama?  Which one of "my candidates" was I trying to "better."

            Dates aside, Kucinich "came out with" - to use your terms - a healthcare plan before any of them.

            Second, and more importantly, your premise is based on the assumption that if it wasn't released in the last year and a half  it doesn't count.  And that's a false premise.

            (or do you get to claim Edwards' a four year campaign season going back to 2004? please let me know which of these applies to your candidate)

            For starters, HRC's attempts at UHC, and EVERYthing she's done her entire poltical life was done "FOR THIS CAMPAIGN SEASON."  To argue otherwise is  to ignore her own statements and facts in evidence.

            Moreover, to ignore the legislative past of ANY presidential candidate because of some arbitrary dates (who says when a "campaign season" starts?) is to pretend you know the difference between formulating a platform "for this campaign" and tactical legislation for each of those candidates.

            No matter how much one thinks of themselves, and how astute a political observer they thing they are, there's no one who can convince anyone but themselves that they actually know when a candidate started working on "this campaign season."

            •  was thinking about replying to this... (0+ / 0-)

              arguing the points but then i realized that there is no arguing with a person who "knows" they are right...

              but i will say i meant the sentiment of the penned remarks when taken in the proper context and that you pretty much were the only one who didn't "get" the proper context from the get go. i had stupidly assumed that you were capable of interpreting context correctly and that was my bad... i apologize.

              --poligirl

              (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

              by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 10:03:58 AM PST

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              •  awesome (0+ / 0-)

                resort to an adhominem attack because you can't effectively make your overall point.

                Great work!!!!!!!

                •  i ain't the only one of us guilty of that... (0+ / 0-)

                  in this thread my dear.

                  and i resorted to it because you're arguing in circles, not because i can't effectively argue my point. i've got better things to do with my time than spend hours arguing with you, especially since it appears we will never agree...

                  good luck to you and your candidate tuesday.

                  --poligirl

                  (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

                  by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:20:21 PM PST

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  •  Thanks for posting dmortell's powerful letter (3+ / 0-)
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    here. Both of you write what many others feel. I will also vote for Edwards in the primary.

    Your enthusiasm is infectious!

    •  thanks tessanz! i figured us Edwards folks.... (1+ / 0-)
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      could use a picker upper, and so did dmortell... :D

      --poligirl

      (-5.75,-4.92) ''When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." --Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 02:07:28 AM PST

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