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The Bush Republican Bubble has to be popped, stopped, crushed.

"When the last chapter is written,’’ Cheney predicted, "it will be said that our nation became more prosperous and more secure because George Bush was the president of the United States.’’

And the crowd applauded the C in CPAC.

The most prosperous? Secure? In that bubble maybe, but not out here.

I truly plead that the Democrats will reunite regardless if Obama or Hillary win the General Election. I worry a lot about this as I do not recall such hatred, mean spirited, angst in all my years here as what there has been the past several months.

What's going on now seems far worse than any hate we've spewed towards Bush and Cheney and that whole group of Liars - the real enemies of America.

Dick Cheney: 'Damn right' we'd do it all again

"I have been proud to stand by him,’’ said Cheney, citing decisions which Bush has made as president. "And would I support those same decisions today? You’re damn right I would.

Cheney's speech at CPAC and the reaction from the real koolaid drinkers is scary.

Just thought a reminder of what we are up against again if we lose in November.

If we succeed in winning and secure a Democrat for President, there will be plenty of time to progressively make other changes. First things first. Please.

Originally posted to roseeriter on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:33 AM PST.

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  •  I hear you (8+ / 0-)

    I've been around these boards since the disgusting take over in '01 and the eruption of rage is unbelievable. I'm pretty worried. I hope to god for the love of what's important that we can pull it all together.

  •  Not really. (1+ / 0-)
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    Capt Morgan

    This country will survive John McCain.

    I'd suggest you prepare for this scenario because the Democratic party is headed for fracture. Hillary Clinton will not be able to unite it, and even if she could, she's headed for certain defeat against McCain. Especially after all the new and latest Clinton scandals come out and Democrats are back to defending them again. Similary, if by some chance Obama wins, old white women will not vote for him because theres no way he puts Hillary on the ticket.

    I'm black, and therefore automatically vote exclusively for black candidates. You're white and choose only based on the issues.

    by brooklynbadboy on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:44:49 AM PST

  •  One has to wonder what Obama will owe the Repubs (3+ / 0-)
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    catfish, Psychotronicman, Venice

    and Indepedents who would carry him to a win, though. That's a legit concern, and very real. If he doesn't offer them some meat, they will trounce him out of office pretty quick.

    But I DO agree with you.

    Hillary: "Together, we're going to take back America..."

    by Palladio on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:45:46 AM PST

    •  If he's running on how popular he is (4+ / 0-)

      and that's how he can bring the country together - what happens the first time he has to make a tough decision? His approval ratings dive. What does he do then?

      Say there's a terrorist attack and the crazy majority demands we invade Pakistan and Iran. And he says no. Then his ratings tank. Will he change course to keep those ratings up?

      I really wonder about this.

    •  You are missing what he is doing (2+ / 0-)
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      roseeriter, onanyes

      He's not pandering to them or promising them republican type policies.. he's simply offering a new and better way.. if he can improve their lives then they will at first consider themselves "obama republicans".. .but eventually they will wake up one day and say "Oh my god.. I'm a democrat"

      Obama has figured out what our side has been missing for oh so very long... that the important part is not the policy details .. it's SELLING the ideas.

      We have the better ideas.. but we suck at selling them.. the republicans have awful ideas.. but they are awesome at selling them... Obama understands this...

      •  with all due respect ... (5+ / 0-)

        how can you be sure what barack is promising republicans or independents? his policies are rather vague in my humble opinion. i suspect he will end up giving more away to these people then he ever intended all in the name of transcending partisanship. his lukewarm support of social security is one example that comes to mind. i also find the idea of becoming a democrat for a day to be most distasteful ... it is a slap in the face of long time democrats.

        be that as it may, i would vote for him and fervently pray that i was wrong about him.

        How dreadful knowledge of the truth can be when there's no help in the truth. Sophocles, Dedipus Rex

        by bamabarrron on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:09:15 AM PST

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        •  he has (0+ / 0-)

          the most definted policy positions of anyone running

          However, he doesnt talk about them in detail that much

          most people wont bother to actually read up

          And he's pushing the most important policy .. transparency.. the key to EVERYTHING else

          http://www.mydd.com/...

          The only arguments I'm hearing against obama are based on cynicism and fear....  It's very hard to break our old patterns

      •  Have you read the Papers (4+ / 0-)
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        roseeriter, eagle5, Lovo, Psychotronicman

        of the Project of the New American Century? The repubs. in office have one thing in mind, owning the Planet Earth. Its not about ideas, its about control.

        "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

        by Owllwoman on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:10:19 AM PST

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      •  he is selling his soul in the way he is selling (6+ / 0-)

        the ideas and doing so in a way that does not accord with the progressive ideals of the democratic party - using republican modes of attack to "sell them" :

        the harry and louise republican-inspired insurance-looby-scripted attack ad against Hillary's truly universal plan

        belittling and attacking the Clinton presidency as bad for the democracts when Bill was the only two-term democratic president since FDR! (and whose New Democratic policies made it possible for an Obama to run as a republican-lite)

        praising Reagan and taking up a Reagan-esque vision of what the presidency is

        talking about social security in terms of "crisis" - which is an American Enterprise Institute talking point and a bete noir of the Milton friedman Chicago-School of radical free marketeers

        talking about helth care in republican terms, according to none other than John Edwards in the SC debate

        getting into bed with Big Energy in Nuclear companies - i.e. Dick Cheney

        tons of mixed messages and signals

        so I get perfectly well what he is doing

        have you ever stopped to think that he is not truly progressive

        or how he will have to govern with such a diffuse and non-democratic voting bloc?

        Hillary: "Together, we're going to take back America..."

        by Palladio on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:10:42 AM PST

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        •  This is troll spam (0+ / 0-)

          You know these are lies and yet you post them

          Hillary clinton is center-right.. that;'s a fact.... I dont think anyone can really argue that

          Obama has been much more progressive in his career.. .then again he's authored more legislation than hillary has ever voted on.

          Mandates are a horrible REPUBLICAN idea that have nothing to do with true universal healthcare... they are simply a cash cow for the big insurers

          Do some research for yourself.. using terms like "harry and louise" shows me you are being intellecutally dishonest

        •  Hillary is the one who voted FOR THE DEVIL (0+ / 0-)

          when she supported AUMF and Kyl-Lieberman.  It's not even a close call.

          "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

          by bobdevo on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:46:10 AM PST

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        •  Check Obama's legislative history (3+ / 0-)
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          roseeriter, eagle5, JamieG from Md

          Even Edwards accused Obama of watering the health bill to appease insurance companies lobbyists in his state.

          Check out

          http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

          Dont just read Obama's spins.  Fact check it and then weigh it.

          I am just concerned that Obama has been ducking controversial bills in Illinois, and now in Senate.
          Also how he has given in to lobbyist interest in Illinois.  And Rezco.  He is one of accomodation.

          While Hillary will be a fighter.  She is hungry for this health care for all.  She has done it and failed and now wants a comeback.

          She has a history of fighting for progressive causes.

          SCHIP is her brainchild.

          She is considered hardworking and respected b even Republicans in Senate.

          She is proven.  We know her, the whole world knows her.

          Fact check Obama spins on Hillary http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

          by timber on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:54:26 AM PST

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  •  At least Romney was kind enough... (2+ / 0-)
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    roseeriter, murrayewv

    ...to let us know what their main point off attack in the GE will be. National Defense. His goodbye speech declared he was doing it so we wouldn't lose the war on terror.

    What a bunch of turds. Beating their stupid asses is just plain going to be fun.

    'I don't want any commies in my car. Christians either!' Repo Man

    by Psychotronicman on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:47:30 AM PST

  •  watching some of the CPAC (7+ / 0-)

    is enough to cure most D's of  having the urge to vote McCain, even if their choice isn't the nominee.

    When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

    by onanyes on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:04:43 AM PST

    •  actually im not so sure (4+ / 0-)

      The fact that these people hate mccain actually makes him look quite a bit better to me

      Someone hated by CPAC, limbaugh, hannity, et al.. can't be that bad.. right?

      •  WRONG . . . (2+ / 0-)
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        roseeriter, onanyes

        unless you really think 100 years in Iraq is a good idea and a War with Iran is just the thing we need to do next.

        "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

        by bobdevo on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:45:02 AM PST

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    •  It's true.... (1+ / 0-)
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      onanyes

      Every time I think I'm drifting toward conservatism in my old age, I watch these yahoos for awhile and the fog clears from before my eyes.

      My concern about Hillary has always been, and continues to be, that she motivates and mobilizes the opposition a lot more than she motivates and mobilizes Democrats.  I don't think she's our best choice if we want to win, and we desperately need to win.  But while I fervently hope I don't have to hold my nose in November, when push comes to shove I'll subject myself to a strong dose of McCain, and then the choice will be obvious.

  •  These people scare me because (3+ / 0-)
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    roseeriter, eagle5, Psychotronicman

    they are not just here in this Country. There are many Gov. out there with these same types waiting for their turn to get control.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:15:05 AM PST

  •  And the reins to CIA, FBI & Justice. (1+ / 0-)
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    roseeriter

    We need a flying squad of criminal prosecutors adn investigators ready to work BEFORE the inauguration.

    "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by bobdevo on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:41:46 AM PST

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