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I was just watching MSNBC and Pat Buchanan was giving to McCain advice on how to beat Obama.

He used the expression "wave the bloody shirt" and suggested that McCain should say that Obama wants to dishonor the deaths of U.S. soldiers by pulling out of Iraq. I don't know if Buchanan feels that way personally or if it was just "advice", but I got HOT!

Obama should WELCOME this line of attack in a debate and respond thusly:

Remember when the war started and it was oh-so-American to cheer on our soldiers in this illegal war? We always showd the names and faces of dead soldiers and played Taps over the graphic of an American flag? Remember that? What happened when no WMDs were found and chaos ensued? The Bush Administration FORBID the showing of the coffins of American soldiers! When it was inconvenient to them, they stopped showing the American people the cost of this blunder in order to prevent them for calling for an end to it.

And NOW, in order to prevent the few left who support it for calling for an end to it, they're willing to figuratively pile the coffins of those soldiers in American living rooms! It would be shameful (and ironic) for John McCain to resort to the same tactics that kept us in Vietnam for so long after it was truly lost:

"We can't leave or the deaths of those brave Americans will have been in vain."

It's a disgustingly cynical exploitation and Obama should be ready to counter it immediately and clearly. He should also make the point of saying "Why would I, as Commander In Chief continue to sacrifice lives, treasure and equipment to a war that I feel never should've been waged in the first place?".

Snatch McCain's "bloody shirt", fold it respectfully and hand it to the American people with the promise that this war will end soon!

Originally posted to StarkyLuv on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:19 AM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Yes.. (0+ / 0-)

    ..that segment sobered me up from my Obama-high..

  •  Why does anybody think all these will fly? (1+ / 0-)
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    Pandoras Box

    You seriously under-estimate Obama, I think. One of the broad themes of his platform is that he wants to end the mind-set that led America into war. He would be able to effectively counter any line they throw.

    Republicans should be scared. Issues do not favour them. Full stop.

  •  It's not about.. (1+ / 0-)
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    Pandoras Box

    ..me underestimating Obama. It's about beating back pretty much the only card McCain has to play and that's Iraq.

    It's the only thing that he could maybe make some hay on and with this response he would burn McCain to cinders in a debate.

  •  The war is a dumb idea (0+ / 0-)

    Most Americans want to end it - though responsibly. If you cannot use this against the '100 year' meme, then you deserve to lose the election.

  •  Buchanan seems almost desperate (2+ / 0-)
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    StarkyLuv, 183skybear

    for Clinton to beat Obama.  I caught the [sort of] comment later that Buchanan would be meeting with the Clinton campaign.

    Then I caught Matthews "joke" that they ought to break into the Obama campaign headquarters.

    Ha ha.  You're an effing riot, Tweety.

    Oh, well, of course - everything looks bad...if you REMEMBER it! - Homer Simpson

    by Pandoras Box on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:38:19 AM PST

  •  Simple answer (3+ / 0-)
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    hubcap, tobendaro, Pandoras Box

    George W. Bush surrendered in March 2003 to Osama bin Laden's key demand: removal of US forces from Saudia Arabia.

    The first American surrender since May 1942 (Corregidor).

    We have gone from a nation of 'is peace so dear to be purchased at the price of chains to slavery' to legalisms such as 'there have been no attacks on US soil since September 11, 2001'.

  •  If McCain uses that strategy (3+ / 0-)
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    StarkyLuv, Pandoras Box, 183skybear

    he'll shore up the base and lose the middle.

    Let us hope he's not as intelligent as I look.

    --------
    Similes are like cucumbers, metaphors are pickles.

    by PBJ Diddy on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:43:11 AM PST

  •  I agree.. (1+ / 0-)
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    ..but it's the only strategy he can play. What other position can he take that Obams isn't superior on?

    McCain is NOT a "ban abortion, ban gay marriage" Republican. Though I'm sure the party will be advising him to go that route.

    Buchanan was actually advising McCain NOT to go to the right!

  •  The problem is that McCain is not a chickenhawk (0+ / 0-)

    His message about troops dying in vain if we pull out will ring true to most americans because it comes from someone who actually fought and was a POW for five years.   He has credibility and how can you argue with the logic?    If we did pull out the suffering and death would have been for absolutely nothing.   As long as we messed the place up we should stay long enough to at least leave when they can function over there.   After that it will be up to them.  

    I think Obama is going to have a struggle on his hands if Iraq continues to improve and he keeps insisting that we pull out immediately.  It may sound good, but as a policy decision it would be disasterous.

    •  Brandon Friedman's diary today talks about this (2+ / 0-)
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      Prof Dave, Pandoras Box

      If we did pull out the suffering and death would have been for absolutely nothing.

      getrealdude, my Army son called me last year in September to express his enthusiasm about Obama's possible candidacy.  He's been to Iraq twice and facing redeployment this year.  

      Brandon Friedman's diary pretty much sums it up.  People in the military know that this war in Iraq is breaking our military.  Our troops know that all the bushcon propaganda in the world won't make Iraq into a democracy.

      My son told me that he worried that his service will mean nothing if our democratic ideals are sacrificed to the altars of fear.  His service will mean nothing if our government bankrupts our nation with deficit war spending.  His service will mean nothing if Americans cannot secure health care or education for their children.  

      It won't be difficult for Obama, who opposed the war from the beginning, to cycle that bloody shirt through the bleach of enduring truth -- especially since the majority of Americans are against continual occupation of Iraq and want our troops redeployed NOW.

      Additionally, a report was released a few days ago outlining our vulnerabilities at home because of the over-deployment of our National Guards.  

      Let's not be timid about standing up to McBush and all the swiftboaters.  They're paddling around in sinking boats!

      It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. Alfred Adler

      by Quicksilver2723 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:19:27 AM PST

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    •  Dude, the suffering and death (0+ / 0-)

      have always been in vain. Those soldiers died so that Bush could land on an aircraft carrier with a big codpiece on, demonstrate his hardon for war in a way almost guaranteed not to cause him any discomfort (unlike his 'sevice' in the TANG) and let that asshole call himself "The War President" who can keep us 'safe' as long as he is allowed to over-ride the Constitution and Bill of Rights to do so.

      Keeping our military in Iraq any longer, so more of our heroes can die for the Asshole in chief's vanity doesn't make it any more "worthy" of a cause. It is simply a tragedy, and it needs to stop.

      "When power is unchecked by accountability, injustice and atrocity become commonplace. We, the people, must demand our rights."

      by Lisa Lockwood on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 11:55:28 AM PST

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  •  My Answer to Buchanan's Foolishness (1+ / 0-)
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    The American people are tired of this Republican war and tired of the party that desired it. The time to end it is now before all that's left to military families is the memory of a loved one and yet another bloody shirt.

    Land in your hand you'll be happy on earth Then invest in the Church for your heaven.

    by Splicer on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:03:27 AM PST

  •  That argument has appeal... (1+ / 0-)
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    to the Republican base, no matter what it is countered with.

    Hopefully that base is shrinking.

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