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If it's such a great idea for everyone to get between $300 and $1,200 in tax rebates, I have a few questions.

Does this money actually stimulate the economy? Let's assume for a minute that people aren't using this tax rebate to pay their mortgage one last time. Let's assume that most people aren't using this tax rebate to fend off their credit cards or student loan companies for another month.

Let's pretend that everyone is going to take their tax rebate and use it to put a down payment on a car or run to the shopping mall and buy clothes. This will of course create jobs and raise incomes and rescue the housing market and prove that conservatism works.

Why don't we get a tax rebate every month? I mean, if it's such a good idea in May, why isn't it a good idea in June and July and August? If the tax rebate stimulates the economy, and stimulating the economy is unquestionably good, why shouldn't we stimulate the economy every month of every year? If we can't afford to do it one time - but do it anyway, why can't we not afford to do it every month - but do it every month anyway?

If government can afford to pay us to keep the economy going, why does this need to be a tax rebate? Why can't we just pay this money to everyone: people who don't work or have any taxable income? If it stimulates the economy to give money to working taxpayers, it must REALLY stimulate the economy to give money to everyone, and do it every month.

If we can afford to give free money to everyone, and we can afford to do it every month, why should anyone bother working?

Originally posted to jesses on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:30 PM PST.

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  •  as i understand it (2+ / 0-)
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    barbwires, bablhous

    it isn't a rebate...

    i'd call it a bribe.  

    is it a true rebate? i'm not clear on it, and i won't be getting one anyway.

    Just once in a while let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. -- Edward R. Murrow

    by labwitchy on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:34:11 PM PST

    •  It's a pretty stupid bribe (2+ / 0-)
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      Marie, bablhous

      If these politicians had any sense in them, they would schedule the refunds to show up the week before the general elections...

      "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows" - BD
      E: -5.62 S: -5.13

      by demotarian on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:46:20 PM PST

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    •  Well, dont cost nuthing..! Treasury just hypes up (0+ / 0-)

      the printing presses...Sell more Bonds ! And AShop to ypuse Drop..Biggy Mac and Biggy Fries to go, oh, a Diet Coke pleeeze..Amerka gets fatter and stoopider..They can tap my phone, read my mail, peruse my e-mail, check out my library books I Aint Got Nuthin To Hide ! Oh, OK..In Gawd we must trust..We go tour selves a president with a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard...Could the fukin Ivy League be over rated

      "Better a little late, than a little never"..Doctor Julian Winston

      by Johnny Rapture on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:58:44 PM PST

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    •  They are only doing it because (0+ / 0-)

      they did it once, must know how to do it (last time, it was when we were running a surplus), the Dems had INSISTED it be included in the general tax cut programs that had started out to be only for Rich People. Paul O'Neill took some credit; look where it got him.
      And by the way, I am offended that we peons are the only ones who will be guaranteed to spend it instead of save it. What exactly is this multiplier effect? We spend the $1200 on a flat screen something or other made in China; China puts most of it in their sovereign fund; the poor bloke at the electronics store gets his hours cut; I can't get the new technology to work; the ships are sitting idling off the coast in Long Beach, polluting, polluting.
      NO! they're coming into Mexico now and going to be shipped direct to me along the NAFTA super Highway. There goes another Longshoreman's job.
      Oops I forgot, but I've actually and really spent the 1200 already, in increased gas and heating /cooling costs, extra health care insurance. So I'll just put it on the credit card and get delinquent paying the bill and have late fees pile up till the 1200 I've spent on consumables amounts to 5,000 I owe the card company.

  •  bush tax cuts (1+ / 0-)
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    RyanBTC

    duh if we follow conservative ideals and just cut taxes to nothing then we can keep all the money and that will stimulate the economy!

    How low do conservatives want taxes to be they never seem to say!

  •  Mine will not stimulate anything except (1+ / 0-)
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    Wino

    Obama's campaign fund.

  •  Tips for logic? (4+ / 0-)
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    XOVER, emmasnacker, Wino, cameoanne

    "Universal health care for every man, woman & child. That is our cause." -John Edwards 1/30/2008 [-8.63, -7.03]

    by jesses on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:35:29 PM PST

  •  They think they're going to fool us (4+ / 0-)
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    jesses, bablhous, danz, cameoanne

    and that our compliance can be purchased for chump change.

    Remember the rebate in 2001? everyone you and I knew got $300.00 - hey, a piece of the pie!

    They thought we would think it faubulous if we got some crumbs out of the pillaging of our treasury.

    Of course, the mega wealthy got much, much more than you or I, and will again.

    This isn't about the economy. These people do not care about the economy or our country. It's a matter of principle. They resent taxes, regulation, government itself. It's a statement that they are making, and if it weakens the government and economy so much the better.

    This is what happens when you have a government infiltrated and co-opted by people who do not beleive in governemt and do not want a strong government. They think it (government)limits their freedoms, they can do without it, and those of us that need our government to be strong because we can't afford our own islands and private armies to protect ourselves are mere leeches living off of "their" rightful wealth.

    Once you understand conservatives and their goals, it all makes sense. They are domestic terrorists, and while those are strong words, their intentions and accomplishments have held true to this, albeit extreme, statement.

  •  I have an idea.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....take my $600 and use it to end the war in Iraq. That'll stimulate the economy better that the money going into the dark hole that is my finances.

  •  Yes, the tax rebates are a stupid idea, but (2+ / 0-)
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    decembersue, cameoanne

    you miss the point. The key problem in the economy is declining house prices, which means that millions of people have lost some or all of the equity in their homes--or even that their houses are worth less than their mortgages. Of course, this means that they can't refinance their houses.

    Getting a few hundred bucks will do nothing for these people.

  •  According to Alexander Tytler (4+ / 0-)
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    jesses, bablhous, RyanBTC, Lovo

    "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.  A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.  From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

    Attributed to Alexander Tytler (1747-1813)

    Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
    Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

    by Caelian on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:45:41 PM PST

  •  If the Republicans were smart... (0+ / 0-)

    they would have checks going out in October not in May/June...that is what we do in NJ with our R/E Tax Rebate checks...

    Clinton - Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 05:45:47 PM PST

  •  Rebates = Propaganda (1+ / 0-)
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    Compost On The Weeds

    A little McDonalds, a little American Gladiator/ American Idol, a little cash back. Bread and circuses. It's still cheaper than keeping us all doped up

  •  Give it to your kids and grandkids. (3+ / 0-)
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    jesses, danz, cameoanne

    It's only fair - they are the ones paying for it.

  •  Jesus Christ You Are Dense! (1+ / 0-)
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    dookphan

    Of course more money into the economy works! And every month works even better. You're right! There is even a name for this phenomenon:

    Tax cuts.

    As in: Make Them Permanent.

    But liberals want the folks to think that the money comes from Government (rather than Government just giving the peoples money back) so that voters will become BEHOLDEN to the Government and the Welfare State.

    Hence we have "rebates"

    •  Bush's Tax cuts do not help me one penny (3+ / 0-)
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      bablhous, RyanBTC, cameoanne

      they only benefit the privelidged few. Tax the corporations to pay for the infrastructure that they eat like giant greedy pigs,infrastructure paid for on the backs of the working poor and middle class

      •  When You Are Older (0+ / 0-)

        You will pay taxes and tax cuts will be important to you.

        Corporations do not pay taxes.

        When you tax a corporation they offset the expense by raises their prices. You in turn pay the new, higher price.

        i.e. You pay the tax.

        •  Oh really? (2+ / 0-)
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          Compost On The Weeds, cameoanne

          My taxes have gone up every year that Bush has been "president."

          I pay the gas tax, gas is now three times higher than it was under Clinton.

          I pay the war tax. 80% of my income tax is going to fund death and destruction in Iraq.

          I pay the health care tax. My cost of health care has spiraled out of fucking control. If you're as old as you say you are, then yours have too.

          I pay the housing tax. My cost of rent has gone up by 50% while my income has not risen.

          I pay the transportation tax. The cost of travel by train or light rail has doubled.

          I could go on and on and on, but what's the point. You don't give a damn about facts and figures and proof and evidence and things that are real. You don't live in the reality based community.

          "Universal health care for every man, woman & child. That is our cause." -John Edwards 1/30/2008 [-8.63, -7.03]

          by jesses on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:14:26 PM PST

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          •  these things are (0+ / 0-)

            not all Bush's fault.  The President, no matter what party doesn't, have that much control.  You pay more at the pump because we are not pumping our own oil, plus the majority of the tax you pay at the pump is state tax (at least in my state).  The President has nothing to do with your healthcare costs.  President Bush has nothing to do with your rent.  Light rail is a choice made by your local government.

            I will concede that the war is expensive, but it is not the root of all our your financial problems.

            That being said, I did like your diary.

            Token conservative

            by dookphan on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:14:39 PM PST

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    •  I must assume this was either snark or (0+ / 0-)

      you really don't understand how tax cuts work.

    •  Sounds good but illogical (1+ / 0-)
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      RyanBTC

      If cutting taxes stimulates the economy, why don't we cut all taxes?

      "Universal health care for every man, woman & child. That is our cause." -John Edwards 1/30/2008 [-8.63, -7.03]

      by jesses on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:11:04 PM PST

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      •  Amen (1+ / 0-)
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        dookphan

        Welcome to the Conservative side.

        Without taxes Liberals are powerless because they believe in the power of Government. So tax they must, no matter the cost. or power they shall lose.

        We conservatives trust in the power of the individual.

        •  Ok (3+ / 0-)
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          bablhous, RyanBTC, chigh

          So I take it that you've never been to a public school? Those are paid for by taxes. If you have kids, I assume they don't go to public school either?

          I assume that to get to work you take a private helicopter because to drive would mean using public roads and highways.

          Do you eat? Because a lot of farm products are federally subsidized or assisted in some way.

          Have you ever been to the library? Have you ever called 911?

          You're a real genius.

          "Universal health care for every man, woman & child. That is our cause." -John Edwards 1/30/2008 [-8.63, -7.03]

          by jesses on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:16:26 PM PST

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          •  Not a Genius. But.... (1+ / 0-)
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            dookphan

            Just an Individual.

            1.) My children are home schooled

            2.) Roads are financed by the gasoline tax, which is actually a fee. Fees are different from taxes in that I do not HAVE to pay the fee, but taxes I must. I choose to drive, therefore I pay the fee.

            3.) Farm subsidies are a horrid abuse of tax payer money and have no business in our country.

            4.) I am frequently at the library, which is paid for by books fines and philanthropy.

            5.) Fortunately, I have not had the need to dial 911. But I do notice that on both of my phone bills I pay a 911 Tax, which is actually a fee.

            Any more questions?

          •  You are blurring (0+ / 0-)

            the line of who is doing the taxing.  Public schools are mainly paid for by property tax collected by local goverments.  The majority of which is paid for by the hated rich.  The federal government has no business noodling in public schools, which is why we support (or at least used to support) getting rid of the deparment of education.

            I don't support farm subsidies.  Libraries, local taxes.  911, local taxes.

            What we are talking about with lower taxes is generally on the federal level.

            Token conservative

            by dookphan on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:18:00 PM PST

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        •  Move to Somalia (0+ / 0-)

          they have already implemented what you seek.

          And from all the Somalians that are currently moving here, I have to assume there's some cheap real estate to be had. Plus it's sunny!

    •  apparently I am not the only (0+ / 0-)

      conservative around tonight.  I think the website might crash.

      Token conservative

      by dookphan on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 07:08:51 PM PST

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  •  Bread and Circuses (0+ / 0-)

    Tax rebates are the bread-Steroid hearings the circus= the decline of our empire. You got your money now shut up about the war like a good mushroom

  •  Most people wil probably (1+ / 0-)
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    RyanBTC

    just use it to go to Wal-Mart and buy a shitload of stuff they don't need and can't really afford to make them feel better about themselves for a day or two.

    And, the crap they buy will be MADE IN CHINA so who really benefits the most?

    I don't mind straight people as long as they act gay in public.

    by internationaljock on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:12:39 PM PST

  •  Put it all into the Obama campaign (0+ / 0-)

    That'll teach how to stimulate an economy.

  •  Just send them back (1+ / 0-)
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    RyanBTC

    Rush Limbaugh was all over the tax rebates this morning (yeah, I've been listening to him because his meltdown this last week has been entertaining).  One suggestion: for all those who think the tax rebate is not just a gimmick but outright bad policy for the economy JUST SEND THEM BACK.  

    The rest of us, spend in on something not made in China.

  •  maybe we can just get rid of (0+ / 0-)

    withholding, everyone could just pay their taxes and have the capital availible to use in the interum

  •  that's a great idea, (0+ / 0-)

    we both know there are very few politians who would seed that much control to us plebs.

    It has never made sense to me that the my money is being held someone drawing interest for someone else instead of in my account.  I have generally worked as a contractor for that reason.

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