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In an amazing turn of events MSM just served up a portion of the truth. I'm surprised. I'm used to the excuses and self laudatory attitide coupled with dismissing most of the country but telling the truth? Allowing it on TV?

Who'd a thunk it? But they did, today, on NBC's This Week when they released and discussed the results of their latest survey. Would America elect an African American, a woman or a 72 yr old? Results on the flip plus a bonus review of grassroots organizing in action...

First, to those results from This Week. I didn't find the results but they were in my Tivo so watch the webcast if you want.

African American +8

Woman +9

72 yr old -23

That's right. Minus 23. Holy Cow. Just look at those numbers. They really don't take a lot of interpertation do they? This is confirmation of something I've noticed. I'll ask people; "What one word comes to mind when you hear McCain OR How would you describe McCain in one word?"

It's not McWar or McBush or McCheney...it's McOld.

Now, today, a rural county in Maine held their first county wide meeting since the caucuses. Last fall you would be lucky to get 10 people to a county mtg. They got 30 people to come to the caucus training and 27 caucus sites convened a few weeks ago. Today, 56 people turned out for the county meeting. This is happening All Across the Country.

Change is in the air and people want to Work for Change. Make no mistake, it will take work, the phone calling, canvassing type of work. It will take everything we can give and then some but if we do, we will win. We will win the Presidency, the Senate, keep the Congress, win legislative seats adn more.

Again, I encourage you to add your own local story here. It's critical we revitalize the local party and build on the momementum we're seeing.

Originally posted to philinmaine on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:14 PM PDT.

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  •  tips, flames, and of course (5+ / 0-)

    the Recommend button..share the ageism. And by the way, I'm only 17 years behind McOld.

    Let your hopes, not your hurts, shape your future.

    by philinmaine on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:14:24 PM PDT

  •  People die (4+ / 0-)
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    Most old people are closer to death than most young people.

    Recurrent malignant cancer patients have an even lower life expectancy. Stress impairs the immune system. The Presidency is a stressful job.

    McCain's VP has a strong chance as serving as President.

    •  I'm sorry, I just can't help it. I have this (0+ / 0-)

      gut feeling that McCain is going to try and get General David Petraeous as his Veep. In which case we are toast!

      •  Really?? (1+ / 0-)
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        You think reinforcing the whole Win at All Costs is going to win them votes? A national security ticket all the way? No economic guy, no southern governor? I think it would be a death watch.

        Let your hopes, not your hurts, shape your future.

        by philinmaine on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:20:42 PM PDT

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      •  Balance His Military Creds With a General? (5+ / 0-)

        It'd sure leave no doubt at all what they'll use the United States for.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:25:22 PM PDT

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        •  there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly (0+ / 0-)

          what they intend to use the united states for. To hold on to power at any costs and despite the fact that the military is weakened it is still stronger by far than any other. The threat of a resurgent Russia and a growing China military is definitely in the game planning of the Pentagon and the neocons.

          We'll see won't we.  I personally don't think they, and as mccain is going to be the figurehead who probably won't last much longer than William Harrison did, care a damn about America's economy, the outsourcing, the dollar dive, the euro threat, they will hold on to America's might through military power.

          That is my prediction.  You think they give a fig about what Americans want? Get real! I hope I am wrong. But methinks most here are not hearing what the 'other side is saying, let alone the underlying plan'. They are carried away by their euphoric view of a united benetton world.

          I have become to believe that they are not nearly as incompetent as they appear. They have deliberately brought America to its knees economically in order to maintain control through military might.  Where will the unemployed go when there are no more jobs?

          •  PS: Balancing the ticket is such 'Old (0+ / 0-)

            Politics'.  That is soooooo yesterday. This election is about what kind of future America has in a global environment.  Throw the old playbooks out the window and start thinking out of the box.

            Otherwise nothing makes any sense except the contempt the youth and progressives have for the neocons and the bush administration. Suppose for once it was all acceptable results in the overall game plan? Time to go back and rewd the manifesto of the People for the New American Way. You think they are going to fold up their tents and steal quietly into the night?  All this subprime and credit crunch crisis will affect developing countries eventually as muvch igf not more than it is affecting America and Europe. If Asia and China and Latin America's economic strides and gains are halted because of an economic meltdown in America war breaks out all over like acne on an adolescents face.

            I am convinced it will be our wordly naivete that will defeat us still.

    •  It's hard work (0+ / 0-)

      A lot harder than being a Senator

      Let your hopes, not your hurts, shape your future.

      by philinmaine on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:18:40 PM PDT

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    •  Shouldn't those be legit inquiries in any job? (0+ / 0-)

      The interesting question here, I think, is the difference between the protections against age discrimination enshrined in law and the results of this poll.  Permit me this Chris Matthews moment: is ageism the last acceptable prejudice?

      "[G]lobalization is...increasing the efficiency of resource allocation through stronger capital markets" - Barack Obama

      by burrow owl on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:20:12 PM PDT

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      •  no, homophopia is n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        Let your hopes, not your hurts, shape your future.

        by philinmaine on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:21:16 PM PDT

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      •  Ageism is real. So is sexism, racism, and all (0+ / 0-)

        the rest.  There are no protections from any of them in a secret ballot.

        I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

        by beemerr90s on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:50:27 PM PDT

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        •  Sure, but we'd both agree that racism is not (0+ / 0-)

          an acceptable reason for voting against BHO, so why should ageism be an acceptable reason for voting against McCain?

          "[G]lobalization is...increasing the efficiency of resource allocation through stronger capital markets" - Barack Obama

          by burrow owl on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:27:02 PM PDT

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          •  What if he were 94? (0+ / 0-)

            What if he were 32?  He wouldn't even qualify.

            What if he were unhealthy?

            These things matter, IMHO, but I would argue that they are generally much less a part of the equation that records, direction, leadership, knowledge, skill sets, etc, etc.  I don't think it should be a major player in decision, but then, I only get to decide for me.

            I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

            by beemerr90s on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:41:24 PM PDT

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  •  That's No Evidence, He's Past Retirement Age (1+ / 0-)
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    Better evidence is that I lost my computer career under Clinton, for attempting to exceed 50 in the work place.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:24:09 PM PDT

  •  Well, also... (5+ / 0-)

    ...electing an African-American naturally brings both pluses and minuses along with it, because A) it's historic and B) women and African-Americans are extremely underrepresented in government. It's entirely likely that people excited by the prospect of electing a woman or a black man may counteract the effect of racists or sexists who refuse to.

    Nobody's excited over the prospect of electing a seventy-something white dude to government. The AVERAGE age in the Senate is 60. Old white guys are overrepresented in government already. Electing another one wouldn't be anything special or new.

  •  Obama looks quite young (0+ / 0-)

    and that will hurt him with the older crowd. Getting someone over 70 to vote for someone who is dramatically younger, and a different race, is very, very hard.

    Hillary actually looks good for her age, but she looks older than Barack by far.

    It wasn't so much of an issue the last couple of elections, but now that we have a genuinely "older" candidate again, there is likely to be some evidence of age preference in the polls.

    One disadvantage Barack has is that some states, particularly those with stagnant economies, have seen younger populations migrate elsewhere. Ohio is an example.

    •  I'll take this bet as well (1+ / 0-)
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      He will have had months and months and will likely continue to show surefootedness..I tend to appraise people on how they run their campaigns and Obama has run a very efficient, tremendous field operation. He tends to grow on people as well.

      Let your hopes, not your hurts, shape your future.

      by philinmaine on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:32:10 PM PDT

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  •  It's really hard to... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...decouple the descriptions of the candidates from the candidates themselves. If someone asked me "Would America elect an 72 year old", I would probably say no because I'd be thinking about McCain and the upcoming election.

  •  nothing wrong ith old age (2+ / 0-)
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    but there is something wrong with 100 years in iraq and publicly hugging george w. bush like a teddy bear

  •  Not ageism, realism (4+ / 0-)
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    Take a look at the pre-White House and post-White House pictures of any president going back to Roosevelt, and you will see marked, serious aging, especially marked in Bill Clinton.  You can even see it our current moron occupying the White House.  I think most people think of themselves as retiring in their 60's, and don't really see someone even older than that as having enough energy and stamina to get through 4 or 8 years of being chief executive.

    I'm not saying Americans are not ageist, but this particular finding isn't really strong evidence of that.

    I think Atrios has several times cited this same survey which says even fewer Americans are willing to vote for an atheist for President.  Now that's a shame.

    •  ie, there are legitimate reasons for not hiring (1+ / 0-)
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      older people.  And that undercuts the rationale behind our current laws against age discrimination.

      "[G]lobalization is...increasing the efficiency of resource allocation through stronger capital markets" - Barack Obama

      by burrow owl on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:38:09 PM PDT

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      •  That hits a little too close to home (0+ / 0-)

        to just let it go. I will be voting for the Democratic candidate, of course, but not because of his or her age.

        What are the legitimate reasons for not hiring older people?

        Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

        by MizC on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:54:57 PM PDT

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        •  Look at the arguments here. (1+ / 0-)
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          I take no position on the issue; I'm just pointing out that the arguments against McCain based on age are in tension with our laws on the matter, and are usually not the kinds of arguments that Democrats would make.

          "[G]lobalization is...increasing the efficiency of resource allocation through stronger capital markets" - Barack Obama

          by burrow owl on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:02:27 PM PDT

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          •  There are exceptions in ADEA (0+ / 0-)

            The age discrimination laws make exceptions for occupations that are especially hazardous or where the public safety might be at risk - airline pilots, firefighters, etc.  I think POTUS fits that category, don't you?

            And, principles, schminciples, anything that gets McCain beat is fine by me.

        •  Deterioration of, well, damn near everything. (1+ / 0-)
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          What are the legitimate reasons for not hiring older people?

          Higher risk of dying in office. Loss of brain flexibility and mental function. Reduced stamina. Difficulty seeing and hearing.

          This is a no-brainer. Ageism would be favoring a 25 year old over a 50 year old, or vice versa. Even a 60 year old.

          But people in their seventies - including someone who would be WELL into his seventies during a term of office - are a different matter, and their age and health are legitimate issues. After a certain age, the burden of proof lies on the candidate to prove that they're still healthy enough for the job.

          Wes Clark for VEEP!
          Obama/Clark: You want a side-order of Realignment to go with that Change?

          by pat208 on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:05:41 PM PDT

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  •  I would be more encouraged, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    burrow owl

    Everyone said the same thing about Reagan, right up to the moment they elected him in a landslide.

    Sometimes I think it's a sin, when I feel like I'm winning when I'm losing again.
    -Gordon Lightfoot, 'Sundown'

    by Free Spirit on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 04:44:16 PM PDT

  •  Reagan's Alzheimer's (1+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, it isn't just age, it's the possibility that
    McCain could develop Alzheimer's during his time in the WH.  I am caring for my Mom with Alzheimer's and I can tell you, it comes in on little cat feet, and steals you away.  No place for that kind of thing in the WH. BTW, temper is not an attribute for a President either.

  •  My step-dad (1+ / 0-)
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    is 70. He has bone cancer. He voted for Bush twice. He told me that he won't vote for McCain. He said, "I am 70 and too tired to be president. I can't imagine him having the ability to do the job."

    Not sure its ageism as much as concern about the ability of an older person to have the stamina for a very stressful position.

    I am one month younger than Obama and I don't have the stamina to be president! My stamina is certainly not what it was 10 years ago..by the time I am 72, all I want is a hammock, a good book, and some sunshine. :)

    •  I am 75, have just retuired from three weeks (0+ / 0-)

      Argentina where i walked at least 8 miles a day all over Buienos Aires. I am as healthy as a horse,except for the fact that my teeth are falling out like leaves from the branch in the fall and my eyes are fading rapidly.  Modern medical technology can solve those problems. Stop with this bullshit already. McCain's age will have absolutely nothing to do with Republicans voting for him.

      Do you honestly think a Repub voter is going to wake up on November 7th and say' oh I'd better vote for Obama or Clinton, whoever is on the ballot, because McCain is too old'? get real folks.  The decision in this election probably will depend on who is McCain's veep, because most people will be thinking he'll probably not live to see this through. They will be voting to follow through on the game plan who will become apparant when his Veep choice is revealed.

      alone in

      •  He isn't republican... (0+ / 0-)

        I was not saying that Republicans would not vote for him. I was giving an example of my step-dad, not projecting that to all Republicans. So not BS, because that is EXACTLY what he said to me. Funny how we read things into what other people say and are so eager to jump on them...sighs.  I don't recall saying that Republicans would not vote for McCain..my step-dad is not a registered republican anyway, but independent. The word Republican wasn't in my response. ;)

        And you are MUCH more energetic than I am! I have a feeling our differences have little to do with age. :)

        I didn't intend to insult you..just repeating what my step-father said and trying to be funny. I apologize if you took it this way.

      •  I don't doubt Your ability (0+ / 0-)

        but the Presidency is, without doubt, one of the most demanding positions ever. The next eight years are going to be exhausting for anyone. McCain has already been thru cancer among other things and he is probably not up to the job. Watch his campaign schedule..that will tell you.

        Let your hopes, not your hurts, shape your future.

        by philinmaine on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 06:09:41 PM PDT

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