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Our newest Member of Congress, Bill Foster, was sworn in this afternoon. Bill Foster won Hastert's seat in spite of FISA fearmongering by the NRCC and his opponent. Foster ran against telco amnesty, and the attacks against him didn't work.

This is not going to be a winning political issue for the Republicans, however much they try to make it that. Even in swing states like New Mexico, the over-the-top tactics of the Republicans on the issue are failing. Consider the latest fundraising letter from Republican Darren White running to replace Heather Wilson:

My likely Democrat opponent...is opposed to the Terrorist Surveillance Program and has used the issue to drum up support for his candidacy among extreme left-wing groups. He believes that we should not immediately intercept calls from known terrorists and has even gone so far as to attack middle-of-the-road Democrats who support this bipartisan bill. I believe his position on the Terrorist Surveillance Program clearly demonstrates that his views are out-of-step with common-sense New Mexico values.

That likely Democratic opponent, Martin Heinrich responds:

"...I stand with the American people who say fear mongering is not acceptable. Not acceptable from George Bush, not acceptable from Karl Rove and not acceptable from Darren White. I agree with Bill Richardson that we can keep our country safe without resorting to unconstitutional, warrantless wiretaps. I support a strong FISA that authorizes our intelligence community to intercept the communications of foreign terrorists, not American citizens minding their own business.

He gets back up in that statement from Tom Udall, New Mexico's Democratic Senate candidate.

Udall pointed out that current law allows intelligence officials to eavesdrop on foreign communications routed through the United States without a warrant in an emergency situation, as long as court approval is sought within 72 hours of the phone tap.

"This charge that our intelligence will go dark and our national security will be threatened is a phony issue," Udall said.

The issue does not intimidate our Democratic challengers and even incumbents like John Salazar recognize that. So do the House Democratic freshman who are taking the most heat from the ridiculous Defense of Democracies ads and robocalls (you can send along your support to them at that link).

So why should it intimidate any Democrat?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:07 PM PDT.

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  •  If only phony issues had no audience (7+ / 0-)

    "This charge that our intelligence will go dark and our national security will be threatened is a phony issue," Udall said.

    We've seen time and time again that the "right" is very adept at making phony issues stick against their enemies.

    "Who the hell you gonna nuke?" -- Mike Gravel

    by Taylor on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:11:10 PM PDT

    •  Sad but true. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      homoaffectional

      It's time for us to change that meme.

      "[Y]ou can't jump-start a car that lacks a working battery." --Barbara Ehrenreich

      by Youffraita on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:19:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  When you say "the right" (1+ / 0-)
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        Eiron

        are you referring to leadership (though I'm at a loss to know who that is these days) or rank and file?

        Hmmm.  Come to think of it, I don't know who that is, either.

        By the standards of this site, I am definitely "the right", although I can speak only for myself.

        National security includes the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  Without them, the nation has no meaning.

        Conservatives understand that.  Really.  Trouble is, the "left" doesn't like to speak to the "right", and those who are held out to be leaders of the "right" are not doing their duty by us.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 04:45:37 PM PDT

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        •  So can you direct me to (0+ / 0-)

          where all these 'Conservatives' who believe so fervently in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are these days? Also, when you say 'the right', who are you referring to? Furthermore, why are you so convinced the 'left' refuses to engage with the 'right'? I think you may have that a bit...uh...inverted?

          •  Those conservatives are all around me. (0+ / 0-)

            They may not be around you -- I don't know where you live.

            As to the left engaging the right -- pshaw.

            You need only buzz through this site to see all the references.

            Even your own posting -- you seem to believe that we don't enjoy freedom.

            Learn a little history and you will discover that the Bill of Rights is a conservative document intended to protect individuals against the excesses of government.

            Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

            by dinotrac on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:32:35 PM PDT

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    •  I wrote about this earlier today (3+ / 0-)
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      mcjoan, NMRed, NM Ward Chair

      at my blog and just wanted to add my intro to the post:

      Aren't we sick and tired of this type of demagoguery using false attacks and fear-mongering from the Republicans yet?

      Darren White is once again showing us what sort of Congressman he would be if voted into office.  The current Bernalillo County Sheriff would be serve as a rubberstamp for Republican leadership on just about every issue. His campaign website's issues page almost comically filled with Republican buzzwords and GOP positions.

    •  Let's research this more Please (0+ / 0-)

      go to my Diary, we need to learn more about Geraldine, Hillary, and Blank Rome.
      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      I will drink the Clinton Campaign Champagne 'cause Kool-aid is for kids!

      by Shhs on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:50:41 PM PDT

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  •  'bout time... (4+ / 0-)

    ...somebody put on the big boy pants and spoke with spine, integrity, poise.  Such a move might connect him with the electorate.  What a concept.

  •  Why should it? (2+ / 0-)
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    Five of Diamonds, NM Ward Chair

    It shouldn't.  It will because Telecoms are contributing to re-electing their bought and paid for reps.

    See?  The system works.

    Ugh.

    Sean

  •  Let's forget FISA forever. (2+ / 0-)
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    Five of Diamonds, MagisterLudi

    I posted it a bit earlier:

    we don't need it anymore. The President of the United States perhaps said it best:

    We're fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them here.

    Well, thank God for that. Now we don't need to waste any more time on this FISA nonsense.

    "So your brother's bound and gagged, and they've chained him to a chair...Won't you please come to Chicago just to sing?" CSNY

    by Everest42 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:13:21 PM PDT

  •  Heck (3+ / 0-)

    I am still thrilled Foster won and is representing his district, and Heather's is at risk.  Am giddy

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:13:38 PM PDT

  •  No more Feather Wilson! (4+ / 0-)
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    lgmcp, MI Sooner, rrheard, NM Ward Chair

    But we have to be careful, Darren White makes Wilson look reasonable, so it's extra important that we get Heinrich elected.

  •  Udall's support for civil liberties alwasy superb (3+ / 0-)
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    jwb, MI Sooner, NM Ward Chair

    and Heinrich's will be excellent also.  Naturally law-n-order Sherriff White, NM campaign chair for GWB, feels the gubmint can do no wrong ... but unfortunately a little thing called the Constitution is against him.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:15:35 PM PDT

  •  The back-bone transplant seems to (9+ / 0-)

    be sticking. Let's hope that it builds up stronger through some serious rehab.

    When the American people hear the truth from our own lips they understand that the GOP is com-pletely full of shit. But until now they weren't hearing it.

    That's because our people were scared into submission by the GOP message machine and a complacent/complicit media. Now that is changing.

    Thank's mcjoan. It's posts like thi that make my day.

    •  You're welcome, Mike. (7+ / 0-)

      It does my heart good to see our challengers being so willing to call bullshit. Let's hope that trickles all the way up. This would be a helluva lot easier on wavering Dems if we had two presidential candidates engaging in the isee.

      •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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        mcjoan, NM Ward Chair

        This would be a helluva lot easier on wavering Dems if we had two presidential candidates engaging in the isee.

        The bully pulpit of the primaries are bigger than ever before. Right now either one of them could blast this issue onto the front pages and get our point out there. Instead we get more silly season rhetoric.

        If you want "to be ready on day one" you should be ready to put a stop to spying on Americans. The Constitution needs to be protected and the American people need to know that that will be done.

    •  Cash helps too. One can buy a spine xplant. (2+ / 0-)
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      Mike S, NM Ward Chair

      While I wish there were more than the 16 standing firm, I also wish there were fewer so my contribution would be more significant to each.  Still $7100 as of 5:53 CDT is not too bad.  

  •  The incumbants are out of touch (1+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6

    being in power lets you develop a caution dedicated towards keeping you there. they get sorta out of touch with regular people and start making guesses as to how people respond and always air on the side of caution. they dont want to take the risk that they get thrown out of power.

    The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today. -Franklin Roosevelt, US President 1932-1945

    by Liberal Youth on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:18:04 PM PDT

  •  The thing about fear - it has a shelf life (4+ / 0-)

    Fear only works for so long. People normalize, eventually -- even in war-torn nations, as Kos himself can attest, life goes on.
    Keeping a population in a state of fear takes a lot more finesse than this crew has ever shown. Jumping out and yelling "boo!" gets old.

    Winning's just a way of keepin' score. - Theme from the TV show Maverick

    by Jaxpagan on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:19:09 PM PDT

  •  GREAT framing (4+ / 0-)
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    Mike S, PBCliberal, NM Ward Chair, eco d

    These candidates are experts at election rhetoric.  Heinrich nails his message by hanging Bush and Rove around his opponent's neck.  We need all our candidates to learn from this in the '08 general election.

  •  Posted this (2+ / 0-)
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    flumptytail, homoaffectional

    in another thread, apologies, but it really belongs here.  firedoglake is targeting the anti-FISA Blue Dog Democrats.  They'll pick the top two "winners" of the poll as primary targets:

    http://firedoglake.com/...

    "[Y]ou can't jump-start a car that lacks a working battery." --Barbara Ehrenreich

    by Youffraita on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:23:17 PM PDT

  •  It shouldn't. Apparently it only has cache with (0+ / 0-)

    deluded or the bought and paid for members of the Democratic Party.  Do I need to name names?  Doubtful.  That this place ever gave one iota of support to Carney is beyond sad.  Douglas Feith and Richard Perle ring a bell.

    We can do better.  More isn't enough.

    "An entire credulous nation believed in Santa Claus, but Santa Claus was really the gasman." Gunter Grass

    by rrheard on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:23:46 PM PDT

  •  Here's to hoping that this (3+ / 0-)
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    mcjoan, flumptytail, NM Ward Chair

    trickle of elected folks and candidates publicly standing up to the repubs on FISA turns into a wave. Maybe this will be the issue that finally wakes up the dems and we can start pushing them on all sorts of other issues.

    Guil: So there you are. Ros: Stark raving sane. - T. Stoppard, Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead

    by eco d on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:26:42 PM PDT

  •  Terrorist is just a euphemism for anybody (2+ / 0-)
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    Eiron, NM Ward Chair

    this administration doesn't like. They hung the terrorist label on Saddam and used it as an excuse to invade his country and execute him. Of course, it wasn't true. Read the Pentagon report. But Saddam didn't have a say in whether he was a terrorist or not and neither will anyone else they try to pin the label on. Saddam was a bad guy, but it was not our call to get rid of him. And it certainly wasn't our call to kill thousands doing it. So if the Republicans want to believe they are protecting America by giving Bush the authority to label whoever he wants a terrorist so he can spy on them and imprison them, they can go ahead and believe it. Just don't try and tell me that right-minded Americans who stand up to this kind of delusionary bullshit don't have any sense. They're not the ones entrusting their future and their security to a proven liar and lunatic.

    •  Yup (1+ / 0-)
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      NM Ward Chair

      back in 2002, the US had a sit down with Russia, UK, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, and others to hammer out this "war on terra" thing.  Only issue, they couldn't decide on a common definition.  Rusia wanted the Chechen and Dagustani rebels on the list, Syria objected to Hezbollah, Spain wanted ETA.
       They couldn't differentiate between nationalist nand non-national actors.  So it fell apart.
      go figger

      Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

      by Eiron on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 05:06:37 PM PDT

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  •  And Darren White will never (3+ / 0-)
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    NMRed, reid, NM Ward Chair

    let this issue go. He is a true Bush-Repug. Turd blossom even visited Artesia, NM to fundraise for him. We are truly blessed here in NM to have Martin Heinrich running for Halliburton Heather's seat. He is our hope of creating a progressive NM-1. He's a solid candidate that won't capitulate to this unconstitutional b.s.!

  •  So why should it intimidate any Democrat? (1+ / 0-)
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    NM Ward Chair

    Fair question. Could it be that our stalwarts believe Fox New's hype, talk radio's blather or the noise of "TERROR, TERROR, TERROR" emanating from the WH?
    It's a country of laws and accountability people. Please try to remember that.

    "Too often Democrats allow themselves to be intimidated by phony arguments." Senator Russ Feingold

    by Lahdee on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:40:00 PM PDT

  •  Really, Darren, you think that's going to work? (1+ / 0-)
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    reid

    among us rugged Western individualists, to scare us into voting for you?

    Matter of fact, I'm so riled up right now I had to go over to Act Blue and make a donation to Heinrich, and make it a monthly contribution until November, just to show you how unafraid of your lying, scary stories and threats I am, and I live a hell of lot closer to a prime target, Los Alamos, than you do.

    Fear-mongering authoritarian idiot.

    My fellow Kossians, please join your New Mexico compatriots in supporting our candidates, we could get at least 2 out of 3 seats in the House delegation with work, support and funding. We've got some great candidates. The bonus of taking down Darren White, possibly destroying his aspirations to higher political office, should give us all extra incentive.

  •  Go Martin!!! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    NM Ward Chair

    Anyone who wants to know more about Martin should check out my recent diaries.

  •  I need to clarify a position I took earlier... (1+ / 0-)
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    mcjoan

    First, thank you mcjoan, for all the great reporting on FISA.
    Earlier, I had made a somewhat cynical statement about the people just taking their surveillance equipment away and it generated one donut so I am assuming that others were not comfortable with the comment either.

    First, I'm not advocating any specific plan. I don't even know where the equipment is.

    I too believe in the rule of law. Let me quote from a diary that I wrote a few weeks ago:

    The bedrock of all society is justice. Justice ensures that actions and transactions are zero-sum endeavors. Justice provides the capital to balance inequities: I don't steal a bag of chips from the store, I buy them if I am willing to pay the price. If I steal them, justice puts up the capital for me and charges interest.

    When an injustice is allowed to stand, it results in something far worse than the injustice itself. It is an affront to all, and fuels the notion of an entitled class that is above the law, and a government that is indifferent to the needs of its people. The perception of belonging to a "lower" class cuts right to our dignity and breeds resentment. Resentment is our internal justice system that corrects the inequities not by raising our own sense of importance, but by lowering the value of the other class.

    mcjoan has been capturing the slow-motion abortion of justice that is happening on this one issue. Don't you feel it? Don't you just get the sense that not only will the crime be permitted to stand, but that the justice system itself will be deprived of even the chance to ascertain the scope and nature of the crime.

    Why do you think mcjoan is reporting on this every single day? This is not just about FISA per-se. This is about the violence being done to the very checks and balances that civilization has found to work to keep things zero-sum.

    If the lawmakers capitulate, then where does that leave us? Is there no course of action available to us?

    FISA is just one of many, but FISA carries with it some extra significance in that it is the first step being taken toward the wholesale collection of our private lives. It may even be used someday to prevent the organization of opposition to some other dangerous government policy.

    I say the case can be made that if they cave in on FISA, the people might have a case for dumping the equipment in Boston harbor.

    I was happiest as a heathen.

    by MouseOfSuburbia on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 04:03:26 PM PDT

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