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I'm a bloody thirteen year old, and I'm more mature than most of you, Clinton and Obama supporters alike. I'm an Obama supporter, but the idiocy spewing from the mouths (or keyboards) of both sides is really starting to piss me off. I apologize for the bad language, but that's how I feel and I can't change it.  I regularly read MyDD and Daily Kos, and both of them are now so partisan, divided and fucking idiotic that I can't stand it. I'm not going to boycott either, or go on "strike", which has now been suggested. I'm just going to sit back and let you guys screw it up for my generation.

Now, this is a rant, and rants are generally not logical or analytical, but I'll try to make this one both. First, MyDD. I've been keeping track of the Rec list for the last week, and around 70% of the recced diaries were anti-Obama. Around 20% were pro-clinton. And around 10% were mixed, pro-Obama, anti-clinton, or non candidate related. So at the least, only 30% of the diaries were positive in any way, shape, or form, and only about a third of those were pro-Obama. Over 70% of the Recced diaries were negative, some of them extremely so. For example, two days ago, a diary by TeresaInPennsylvania made the rec list. It claimed that Obama was "gaming the system", and offered as proof an email he sent out reminding Independents and republicans that they had to change their registration to democratic by the 24th to vote in PA. This, she claimed, was an example of republicans trying to destroy, corrupt, and generally screw over our primary. She conveniently managed to ignore the fact that exit polls show Republicans voting overwhelmingly for Clinton and that, more importantly, almost all of them don't like her or her policies, suggesting that they are gaming the system.
I initially thought it was snark. But from her comments, it was clear that this was what she truly believed.

Over here at Daily Kos, we have slowly been getting more and more insulting, boorish, and thuggish. Bias is what I talked about in my last diary, so I'm not going to say we're acting like Republicans. But we are, as a group, becoming bloody fucking idiots, one at a time. Blinded by hate for the opposition, fueled on by the simple fact that someone disagrees, the stupidity has been snowballing into an avalanche of hate, anger, and love. Yes, love. We love to argue, debate, and dissect - otherwise we wouldn't be here. But now, if we were face to face, there would be murder, and I'm not even kidding.

I hope you didn't enjoy the rant, and I hope you're depressed by how cynical of a thirteen-year old I am. I hope you keep on fighting, so you can look back, when you're old, and say: "Oh, those were the days when everything fell apart, and we left it for Gen. X to clean up".

I'm not saying everyone here is an idiot. Everyone who recced my last diary is, of course, a genius. And I can feel my anger fading now, and turning into pity. Which really tells you how screwed up this is, that a thirteen year old is pitying a bunch of adults.

Oh, and please give a bit of thought for my grandfathers. One of them's dying in Scotland, and the other is in Atlanta, where a tornado just hit. He isn't answering his phone, though he may well be asleep; it's 10:40 there and he's 74.

Originally posted to Howler8 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 09:41 PM PDT.

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  •  13 Years old... (2+ / 0-)
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    Eternal Hope, jlms qkw

    I hope you live in CA or the west coast...otherwise you should be in bed asleep like my children...

    But I generally agree with your diary...

    Peace...Go Democrats!!!

    Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 09:45:49 PM PDT

    •  I live in Chicago n/t. (3+ / 0-)
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      Melchuck29, jlms qkw, 4water

      Once upon a time there was a prince and a Princess, Lucy. The prince said, "Hey Lucy, what's your name again?"

      by Howler8 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 09:46:28 PM PDT

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      •  Good for you, honey! (0+ / 0-)

        By the way - I moved Down South from Chicago 5 years ago.  I miss it something awfull, to be honest.  Haven't found a good pool table since I left.

        But back to your diary.  It's wonderful, my dear!  Bravo!!  And don't ever fool yourself that being an adult makes you grown up.  I mean - look at you.  At 13, you already are.

    •  13? Really!?! (2+ / 0-)
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      Land of Enchantment, offgrid

      I'm still skeptical, I'm going to need to see some i.d.  Of course maybe it's because I couldn't string two sentences together when I was 13.  

      If you are 13, I'll give you some advice that I didn't learn until I was much older: adults aren't any more mature than kids, we're just taller and have more responsibility, and we're just that much closer to death. We can be every bit as selfish, petty, and illogical. But you read the comments so you probably know that.

  •  Obama started it (0+ / 0-)

    The Clintos aren't liars.

  •  I was just thinking last night (2+ / 0-)
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    offgrid, jlms qkw

    reading Populista's diary, that this 14-year-old is more mature than scores of other Obama supporters on this board who are two, three and four times as old.

    I was pretty cynical as a 13-year-old, but it was hard not to be when the whole country seemed to be crazy about Ronald Reagan.

    John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

    by desmoinesdem on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 09:47:42 PM PDT

  •  Are you sure you are 13 (1+ / 0-)
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    jlms qkw

    you must be at least 40 trapped in that 13 year old body.  I just read another of your diaries just to get an idea of who you might be and darn if I am not impressed.  Thank you for writing this and I hope we don't leave everything for you clean up although I would like to think I am not that much older than you at a ripe old age of 30.

    •  Thank you. Thanks a lot. (3+ / 0-)
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      highacidity, Chaoslillith, jlms qkw

      And unless my math skills are suspect, (they might be, I got a C on the last test), as I was born in 1995, I'm 13.

      Once upon a time there was a prince and a Princess, Lucy. The prince said, "Hey Lucy, what's your name again?"

      by Howler8 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 09:53:14 PM PDT

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      •  Good god you wear born the year I graduated (2+ / 0-)
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        offgrid, jlms qkw

        from High school and I believe has a lot more sense to you than many adults I know.  Hey will you do me a favor since you live in Chicago, go have a slice of deep dish pizza for me.  I miss decent pizza.

        •  Parden my typos (1+ / 0-)
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          jlms qkw
        •  You think you've got it bad (2+ / 0-)
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          jlms qkw, desertlover

          By the time the diarist was born, I'd been married for 4 years.

          Howler, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family -- all my grandparents are long gone, as are both my parents, but I know what it's like to wonder in the midst of crisis. Hope you get hold of your Atlanta grandfather in the morning.

          And I agree that things are getting ridiculous on both sides -- I'm about ready to hibernate till November, or maybe my friend and I will run off and join the circus or the Foreign Legion. ;)

          You're only as popular as the last diary/comment you posted. -- Zachpunk

          by Cali Scribe on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:11:17 PM PDT

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  •  Great post (2+ / 0-)
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    Cali Scribe, jlms qkw

    What is missing here is some sanity and some reasoned debate (of course it is here, but tends to get buried in the insanity and I am getting tired of scrolling to find a post without the insanity).

    I am a rabid Obama supporter who would actually like to debate with a Clinton supporter without throwing sh*t at each other. Sarcasm, humor, tough talk, schoolyard taunts - sure thing. But back it up with reasoned debate and discussion. The diaries too often degenerate into name-calling or even comments like "Obama started it..."

  •  Hello (2+ / 0-)
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    CWalter, jlms qkw

    I can understand your frustration, but people sometimes do not get along.  It is especially evident when passions are high.

    Sometimes we just have to step away from the keyboard, hang out with friends and loved ones and have fun.

    When we come back to the keyboard, we come back refreshed and ready to tussle yet again. :)

    It seems like it is the nature of this type of communication.  People lose their civility because they are not in person.  And sometimes all we can do is have a personal standard and move on when it doesn't suit us.

    We can't agree with everyone or answer ever diary. Or go on every blog. Well I can't and won't.  I would be exhausted.

    So find a place you enjoy and hang out there.  

    Good luck and I hope this current primary thing does not turn you off to the process.


  •  I hope your grandfather in Atlanta is all right (1+ / 0-)
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    jlms qkw

    Priorities:  that first.

    I hope everybody can manage to be civil.  But I disagree with you that if we were face to face there would be murder.  It's my experience on the internet that when you put an otherwise decent polite human being behind the anonymity of a screen name and a computer screen, you can get some of the jerkiest comments ever jerked.  

    Also, I really doubt that everybody who is shaking their fists and vowing vengeance and that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee in the fall will follow through.  Everybody is really mad and inflamed right now.  I actually think it will calm down after the convention; I hope it won't go that long.

  •  Edgar08, I will hunt you down. (3+ / 0-)
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    Eternal Hope, highacidity, offgrid

    I refuse to let this turn into a thread for arguing about candidates. Respond to my diary if you wish, but do not go beyond that.

    Edgar08 (who the hell is edgar and why do you want him to be president?), I will find out where you live and I will tie you to the nearest railroad track. I told you specifically not to respond to my comment. So of course, you responded. I'm a hefty thirteen year old. You don't want to mess with me. I''m watching; always watching.

    """Sorry for the immaturity, all those mature people out there."""""

    Once upon a time there was a prince and a Princess, Lucy. The prince said, "Hey Lucy, what's your name again?"

    by Howler8 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:02:48 PM PDT

    •  Listen (0+ / 0-)

      I understand your frustration.

      So let me explain something, and it will not be about a candidate, it will be about the issue you want to deal with.

      You want people to stop being dicks.

      I get it.  I do too.  OK.  

      But let me tell you when you're trying to broker a peace agreement of sorts, one of the things you have to have is some sort of willingness from both sides to admit at some very low levels and without losing face that they have been the cause of animosity.

      Let me give you an example.  Ifs someone here can admit that the Clintons aren't liars.  Then I can say "Why you know what, I don't think I agreed with Clinton when she called Obama naive and irresponsible."  I can say she "overreacted."  That it was the wrong thing to say.

      These are just some of the smaller examples that have gotten lost over time.

      I'm just saying if you want to achieve the thing it appears you're describing in this Diary then it's really not going to come about just cause you want it to.

      There's a process by which hostilities de-escalate.

  •  Shouldn't you be asleep? (1+ / 0-)
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    jlms qkw

    Wars not make one great. - Yoda

    by Volvo Liberal on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:09:20 PM PDT

  •  Are you a member of MENSA? (1+ / 0-)
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    jlms qkw

    Your vocabulary and style strike me as more indicative of a college education.

  •  I bet you are really (2+ / 0-)
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    highacidity, outragedinSF


    It's Obamazing!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Chamonix on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:24:26 PM PDT

  •  I'm guessing that Edgar spent his 13th year (1+ / 0-)
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    staring at his weinie and begging it to grow.

    I know I did. I sure as hell couldn't write like you.

  •  You know... (2+ / 0-)
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    Eternal Hope, highacidity

    I had hoped this thread would be a nice place where you could react to my diary, not insult each other. But due to an unnamed party (their username starts with Edgar08), we have people insulting each other. If you wish, Edgar08, start a new thread, alert us, and we can go insult each other there. But here; all I want is a nice chat between friends, got it. As master of the diary, I can delete it and the comments with it. I think. I don't really know, but I can threaten it nonetheless.

    Once upon a time there was a prince and a Princess, Lucy. The prince said, "Hey Lucy, what's your name again?"

    by Howler8 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:28:30 PM PDT

  •  look at you all! (1+ / 0-)
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    Eternal Hope

    The kid is taking you to task about being too divided and you are having a forum fistfight about your political street cred. he's right this sucks. Blogging may just be useless.

  •  I'm really feeling worn down by this animosity (1+ / 0-)
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    Eternal Hope

    I have been reading blogs all day about the fisa vote(This was awesome) Rev Wright etc and I am so sick of politics I almost don't even care about Democrats  red states Clinton Spitzer it all seems like a stupid exercise in mental mastrubation.

  •  A correction: (0+ / 0-)

    "he sent out reminding Independents and republicans that they had to change their registration to democratic by the 24th to vote in PA. "

    He sent it out to non-registered voters, actually. Teresa ran off the rails a bit ago. She lead the (paraphrasing) 'lets burn the nigger church down' crusade the started a few days ago against the very strong and well reasoned warnings from a member there that doing so would be harmful to the black community. She didn't care. Setting race relations back a decade or two is a small price to pay for her girl.

    But don't let it get you down. Remember, the furnace burns hot for the people here and there because we care - a LOT. That means we'll sometimes kneecap each other to make a point (as I did up above because I think this situation might the most shameful moment in politics I've witnessed in my adult lifetime) but in a few weeks or months we'll pull ourselves back together and forge ahead.

    Politics breeds cynicism. Part of its goal it to make you stop caring because it's easier to convince 100 people to vote for you than 1000, so if you can emotionally wipe out 90% of the population, you win.

    But I don't think there's been a moment I've cared more about this and I have Teresa to thank for it. Without her horrifyingly bad judgment, I wouldn't have been reminded how much we insulate ourselves from the ugly realities of what we as a nation can become. And that just makes me want to work harder to make this a better place. As they say, you can't make an omelet without scrambling a few eggs, and that's what we did today. It'll get better. Just keep your head in the game and try to remember that in the end, everyone here and mydd is working for the same thing.

    (And for 13 you're a wicked good writer and thinker. Keep it up.)

    -6.00, -7.03
    Obama '08

    by johnsonwax on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:41:42 PM PDT

  •  Howler, I am impressed with you maturity (0+ / 0-)

    call it out here, many are doing so.  My own view?  I don't care who the candidate is, we must defeat the republicans...the future--your future!--depends on this!  I'll be damned if I see another young man or woman drafted into an endless war...and I fight like hell for the economic development of rural communities so that there are other jobs besides enlisting.

    Good for you.  

  •  You kiss your mother with that mouth? (0+ / 0-)

    Does she know you post here? Does your parent/guardian approve of you being on this site?

    I give you cred for intelligence and wit beyond your years.....however I am not sure I would want my child reading the the black dildo diary.  I like the fact I can be an adult here and have adult conversation.

    I'll grant you the fact that we are inspiring new generations of progressives.  A vital goal indeed.  I just want the security of knowing that your posting here is adult approved...especially knowing what happens on DKos never stays on DKos.

    If they are cool, then I am cool.

    ~Blue: the pale kind (often referred to as ice) with a touch of seafoam~

    by CWalter on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:53:53 PM PDT

    •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

      My parents don't know I post here, but they read it, so if I'm unlucky, they'll see my stuff. And if they do, they'll know that Howler8 is me, 'cause I use that name for all my computer stuff. So I'm hoping they don't. And if you heard the stuff out of the mouths of some kids at school, you wouldn't be complaining.

      Once upon a time there was a prince and a Princess, Lucy. The prince said, "Hey Lucy, what's your name again?"

      by Howler8 on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:39:53 AM PDT

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      •  I know what comes out of the mouths (0+ / 0-)

        of kids your age...that is why I am complaining.

        Some kids your age have sex too.  So I should just say well..ok...screw your brains out since your friends are doing it.

        Some people vote why are we here?

        Not a wise argument.  

        ~Blue: the pale kind (often referred to as ice) with a touch of seafoam~

        by CWalter on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 07:18:39 AM PDT

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  •  I'm reminded of Monty Python's Life of Brian (0+ / 0-)

    In case you've never seen it, it's a wonderful spoof of early Christianity.  The split between Obama and Clinton supporters reminds me of the rivalry between the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea--rival rebel groups whose stated goal is to fight the Roman occupation of Judea, but who in reality hate each other far more than they hate the Romans.  

    I, too, an sickened and saddened by the spectacle playing out in Daily Kos and on other progressive blogs.  We tear each other apart, while the Right Wing sits back and laughs.  

    And it takes a 13-year-old to point out how immature we are all being.

    Great diary, Howler.  Keep howling.

    "God finds you naked and he leaves you dying; what happens in between is up to you."--Robyn Hitchcock

    by cbathrob on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:47:47 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, it's bullshit. Welcome to Politics (0+ / 0-)

    When I was 13 I was working for McGovern and it boggled my mind that anyone could support Nixon. Well, that's the way of the world. But fight like hell for what you believe in and you know what, you may make a difference?

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