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It's not just the netroots who are up in arms about the fact that key South Florida incumbents Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Kendrick Meek are refusing to support fellow Dems Annette Taddeo, Joe Garcia and Raul Martinez. Local Democrats are outraged, too:

Two influential congressional Democrats from South Florida are coming under fire from Miami-Dade Democrats for sitting on the sidelines as the party seeks to oust three Republican incumbents.

Miami-Dade party members meeting late Monday to elect a new leader said they were dismayed that Democratic Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Weston and Kendrick Meek of Miami have decided not to publicly support the Democratic challengers.

"I was appalled when I saw certain elected officials think they have the right to anoint who can run," Bret Berlin said as he was elected chairman of the county party. "That's not their job, it's our job."

His words echoed those of North Miami Mayor Kevin Burns, who also ran for county party chairman. He told the crowd at the meeting that he couldn't "believe two of our elected Congress members have the nerve to stand up and say they won't support three local Democratic candidates."

Fortunately, party leaders in the area are having absolutely no trouble getting behind our three excellent candidates:

County Democrats say they may have their best shot in years to unseat at least one of the three, and after winning the county party's election, Berlin immediately moved to "pledge support behind the three Democratic candidates."

The more than 100 party executive committee members who assembled at the American Legion Hall in Miami unanimously agreed.

But rather than upbraid Wasserman Schultz and Meek for their embarrassing attempts to recuse themselves from these vital races, the DCCC has signalled its assent:

The national party has said it's "very excited" about the races, and Jennifer Crider, communications director at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said the party has made similar arrangements when other members of Congress have conflicts.

"It doesn't change our level of commitment in any way or diminish it," Crider said. "Members [of Congress] have to do their own politics as well. We completely understand they need to do what's best for them and their constituents."

How utterly dismaying. Anyone who has read The Thumpin' knows how bitterly Rahm Emanuel fought against this insulting practice. Attitudes like Meek's and Wasserman Schultz's were one reason the Dems languished in the minority for twelve years - and, if they aren't curbed now, will be a reason we don't expand our majority.

What's more, Meek & DWS sit in totally safe districts. In Debbie's home base of FL-20, voters chose Kerry over Bush by 64-36 in the last election. Meanwhile, in Meek's FL-17, Kerry was favored by an almost hilarious 83-17 margin. So the idea that DWS and Meek could possibly be doing "what's best for them and their constituents" by kneecapping strong challengers and damaging the Democratic Party's prospects is totally ludicrous.

As I've said before - and as I won't stop saying - Debbie Wasserman Schultz either has to completely change her tune on this and vocally embrace our challengers, or step down from the DCCC. And for his part, Kendrick Meek should do the same. South Florida Democrats - and the whole party - deserve nothing less.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:59 AM PDT.

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  •  What's the best approach for us to take (6+ / 0-)

    to get them to change their minds?  Phone calls?  Letter?

    Carrie French, age 19, died in Iraq on June 5, 2005. Why?

    by Susan S on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:01:01 AM PDT

    •  NOPE (26+ / 0-)

      PRIMARY HER!!

      She's in a "safe" district which means whomever the Dem Candidate is will win.
      The way to help her understand that it's the D after her name that makes her seat "safe" is to challenge her on her Party loyalty.

      http://dumpjoe.com/

      by ctkeith on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:09:35 AM PDT

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      •  Primary, yes! (9+ / 0-)

        I don't care if she is an an otherwise good Dem.  That shouldn't disqualify ANYBODY from being accountable to her constituents, to her party and to the nation.  Elections are the one tool that allows voters to hold their elected representatives accountable...

        I want my Two Dollars!

        by Ken in MN on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:15:25 AM PDT

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      •  With who? (6+ / 0-)

        Florida is not exactly teeming with Democrats to go up against an incumbent Democrat.  It's hard enough to find any to go up against a republican let alone another Dem

        And this does nothing to help the situation NOW.

        I understand your sentiments, ctkeith, but it's tough being a Dem in Florida.

      •  I disagree (2+ / 0-)
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        Spongebob76, pelagicray

        As her constituent, I'm as disappointed as anyone here regarding this action - particularly as regards the god-awful Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. I've also been disappointed in her refusal to consider impeachment.

        But overall her performance on progressive issues has been far better than most of the delegation.  We should not be wasting resources launching primary challenges against every strong progressive who gets a couple of things wrong.

        Thank you Senator Dodd!

        by jrooth on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:42:28 AM PDT

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        •  Bingo! Here's the key paragraph! (6+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Eman, jrooth, socks, esquimaux, pelagicray, MAORCA

          "I was appalled when I saw certain elected officials think they have the right to anoint who can run," Bret Berlin said as he was elected chairman of the county party. "That's not their job, it's our job."

          It's OUR job! Finally someone who gets it. Debbie's seat is the PEOPLE'S seat, not hers. What message does it send to anyone who might want to run for public office in the future if the party dumps them for one wrong move, no matter how boneheaded?

          Sit down with her and tell her you are her SUPPORTERS, and that this is what you want her to do. Make her justify her position on los tres gusanos, and ask her how effective she can expect to be if she continues in error.

          She is your EMPLOYEE, and don't let her forget it. Your approach is correct. Primarying her would be useless. But she needs to get the message.

          "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

          by Ivan on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:00:17 AM PDT

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          •  Yes (4+ / 0-)
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            Woody, Marc in KS, pelagicray, MAORCA

            Whenever I call, I make a point of saying I'm a supporter and if she's done something good recently (like her strong stance on FISA) thanking her for that.

            Then I get to criticism.

            Thank you Senator Dodd!

            by jrooth on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:06:45 AM PDT

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            •  Thank you! (2+ / 0-)
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              jrooth, pelagicray

              I have been preaching this approach for years. Critics are a dime a dozen to elected officials. Supporters who have proved their worth are valued and WILL get access.

              We have to build constructive, ongoing relationships with them, and provide them with ammo when they need it -- ranting on blogs avails us NOTHING!

              Every situation will be different, and will require a different approach. But it can be done. It takes work, make no mistake. But many of us are up to it.

              Here and here are two examples. We approached this Representative as known supporters and got the result we wanted.

              "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

              by Ivan on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:18:30 AM PDT

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        •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

          We should not be wasting resources launching primary challenges against every strong progressive who gets a couple of things wrong.

          Sorry, but if these couple of things that she got wrong are things like defending the constitution, then I can care less how progressive she is. I have heard her saying that impeachment is essentially a waste of time and that she has other priorities in congress. Yeah right, like any of these bills went through and were not vetoed by Bush.

          •  Well ... (0+ / 0-)

            If we're going to launch primary challenges against every member who isn't on board for impeachment, who does that leave besides Wexler and Kucinich?

            OK, maybe a few more.  But really - I don't like the fact that congressional Democrats have chosen not to pursue impeachment but I don't think we can throw out 95% of congress.

            Thank you Senator Dodd!

            by jrooth on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:07:02 AM PDT

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    •  Meek doesn't reply to my letters, and I live (4+ / 0-)

      in his district.  His site has a screen that will only accept in-district e-mails, and, even then, one only gets a form reply telling one to subscribe to his e-mail letters.

      If Meek doesn't care much about hearing from his constituents, he'll care even less about people outside his district.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:39:45 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I used to live in his district (0+ / 0-)

        And I had a completely hopeless time trying to get through.

        Wasserman-Schultz (I'm in her district now) is far more responsive.

        Thank you Senator Dodd!

        by jrooth on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:44:37 AM PDT

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      •  Sadly, though an important lesson.......... (5+ / 0-)
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        Woody, RFK Lives, jrooth, esquimaux, MAORCA

        .....is being learned, throughout the gressroots, that when leadership falls on some people, they act as if the power is theirs and not the constituents.

        This is primarily my opposition to the Clinton doctrine of how to wheld power in the Democratic party.

        They have picked the 'big' states 'that matter' and gone after those select delegate rich regions and written off the rest of us.

        They have centralized their own power into the DLC, made ruthless and designed opposition to more liberal/progressive types of candidates. Moving the party towards more corporate friendly thinking (right), so that financing for elections would be available. Innocent enough sounding untill you see into the lack of standing up for the working/middle class and purposfully ignoring the poor. The new welfare (welfare for corporations only and defund welfare for humans), was signed into effect under Bill Clinton.

        I know many people are still, to this day, unaware of what it means to be 'too corporate' minded, or moving the party to the right means. When you get down to the nuts and bolts, it is a weaker version of what the Republicans do better. And for a people friendly party, as the Democratic Party has labeled itself, this kind of manupulation should be anathama.

        I am not a idealeological psycophant of Obama. He wasn't even on my top 3 list of preferred candidates. But he is a grassroots man and he has studied the Constitution, which makes him a far better candidate than what I know about the Clinton strangelhold on the Democratic party.

        If you are frustrated about the lack of liberty/Constitutional minded House members and Senators, dig a bit deeper and you will find the blockage amoung the ones that are corporate minded, and are in Congress to serve the almighty dollar. Wither is is in the form of military industrial complex money or big energy, or big insurance or big pharma, you will find they are heavily invested in or by these industries.      

    •  Perhaps a 2 by 4, (0+ / 0-)

      held high in your hands.

  •  Debs is simply a Vichy Democrat (4+ / 0-)

    nothing more. nothing less.

    In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

    by agnostic on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:01:03 AM PDT

    •  No. (3+ / 1-)
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      Ivan, homoaffectional, MAORCA
      Hidden by:
      TLS66

      it is that simple.

      Could de Gaulle change the mind of Marshal Philippe Pétain? Was it worth even trying? Nope. France had 1/2 the population of Germany, and even though it had a larger army, more tanks, even more war ships, between its asian and african territories, it could defend its own lands. Add to that the pesky fact that instead of having mobile reserves, it tied a quarter of all troops and assets to is ancient, archaic, and WWI-styled Maginot Line (take heed, Star Wars and SDI fans), and Petain had no choice.

      The same applies to Wasserman Schultz. She sees AIPAC and its members, (including the GOPers in Florida which AIPAC funds, finances and actively supports) as more important than the Democratic party. AIPAC to her represents as potent a force as the German army represented to France of the early 1940s.  She sees that the Democrats have a majority (just like France's military of 1942), but sees another group as far more powerful and important of an ally.

      Petain was treated like a traitor when all was said and done. I suspect Debs will receive similar treatment by 2012.

      In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

      by agnostic on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:08:24 AM PDT

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      •  Wow ... (0+ / 0-)

        Do you really want to go there?  Drawing analogies between AIPAC and the military of the Third Reich?

        I've got my issues with AIPAC but this is a stretch.

        Thank you Senator Dodd!

        by jrooth on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:02:03 AM PDT

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        •  I am not considering the evil (0+ / 0-)

          "social engineering" efforts considered appropriate by Germany, and fully adopted by the Vichy, only the collapse of any organized efforts within France against Germany military might. Which, by all historian accounts, was WEAKER than France's standing army when it attacked.

          But Between Maginot waste, new approaches meeting head on with ancient military doctrine, and the willingness to take orders in exchange for "peace" by many French, I do not think calling Debs a Vichy Democrat is too far a stretch.

          In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

          by agnostic on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:21:05 AM PDT

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  •  and thanks (from a Florida voter) (13+ / 0-)

    for keeping this on the front page of Daily Kos.

    Carrie French, age 19, died in Iraq on June 5, 2005. Why?

    by Susan S on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:01:34 AM PDT

  •  I applaud their politeness. (9+ / 0-)

    After all, Republicans would never dream of attacking one of our candidates.

  •  echoing the calls to action (5+ / 0-)

    great series of posts on these turncoats, so let's build a strategy to respond.

    calls
    letters
    donations to the 3 contenders in south fla

    who pays Wasserman Schultz and Meek? who holds some authority over them?

  •  Schultz & Meek. (28+ / 0-)

    On a related note, Schultz & Meek are Clinton hacks supporters.  They are willing to Campaign for Hillary Clinton but not willing to Campaign for Florida Democrats.

    Let me rewrite that, Schultz & Meek are willing to campaign against Obama D-IL, but unwilling to campaign against Florida Republicans.  

    Sigh.  

  •  Clintonian Democracy in action (9+ / 0-)

    Why fight when cooperation is so much easier? And if you wake up every day feeling dirty and used, that's ok, there's always an earmark to make it all feel better, or a junket to go on.

    "No matter what people say, what people think, if you do what you think is right, you're serving your country." - Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)

    by kovie on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:06:35 AM PDT

  •  Central florida dems are furious as well (12+ / 0-)

    We want to make gains badly in our state, but it seems that there is always one roadblock or another standing in our way.

    Full Disclosure: I'm an Obama Supporter

    by smash artist on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:07:44 AM PDT

  •  Why have they not been kicked from the party? (4+ / 0-)

    Are primaries the only way to remove the (D) from these traitors' names? I know if I had any clout, I wouldn't be calling for a graceful step down from the DCCC; I'd demand their heads on a goddamn silver platter. Freshly dripping.

    If they want to hug Republicans, let them do it from inside the Republican Party.

    I hereby swear to vote for the democratically elected Democrat

    by George Hier on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:09:59 AM PDT

  •  I can't believe Florida (6+ / 0-)

    is once again poised to ruin a presidential election. My God, when will we sell that awful state back to Spain?

  •  PRIMARY CHALLENGE anyone?? (10+ / 0-)

    Democrats with no  spine are useless. Period.

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:12:03 AM PDT

  •  It's completely crazy (8+ / 0-)

    You know, I get that Democratic congresspeople might genuinely like Republican colleagues. And that's fine!

    But for Pete's sake, politics is a competitive profession! Professional athletes often genuinely like each other, but that doesn't mean they throw games or sit out games when they're supposed to be playing their friends. They still go out there and play for their own team to win, and then they're professional enough not to blame each other about it or end friendships over it afterwards.

    Are ballplayers really more mature and professional than congresspeople?

  •  Is there a better name (7+ / 0-)

    for a Democrat these days than Meek?

    We need more real leaders and fewer go-along-to-get-along types in the Congress.

    You're only as popular as the last diary/comment you posted. -- Zachpunk

    by Cali Scribe on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:15:42 AM PDT

  •  I'm glad this is finally getting some traction. (7+ / 0-)

    I've been pissed about this practice for years.  Most of the people pulling this crap finally just admitted what they were and became Republicans.  But these two don't fit that category, so it's really troubling.  The "Club" mentality is probably the cause, and they should be primaried just to send a message.  They woyuldn't lose, but they might remember why they were sent to Congress in the first place.

    But then again, maybe not.

    In an insane society, the sane man would appear insane

    by TampaCPA on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:17:41 AM PDT

  •  Everytime I get a fundraising letter from (9+ / 0-)

    the DCCC, I send an e-mail explaining that until they replace Debbie my money is going to Act Blue or individual candidates. It's not much but I feel better every time I hit send.

    Not all who wander are lost. J.R.R. Tolkien

    by temptxan on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:20:47 AM PDT

  •  Well that makes it easy... (4+ / 0-)

    ... to see why they would support Clinton at least.

    We really need to get rid of all Democrats who won't support other Democrats.

  •  They have an attitude, straight and simple, (8+ / 0-)

    that is in the same ballpark as Joe Lieberman's was.  It's the attitude that says, "Once I'm elected, I'm one of the Elect."  I really don't care what their voting records are, either.  They have decided that politics is personal, not an act of representation.

    This is an internal battle that both major Parties face, though the Republicans seem to be able to either threaten or buy their "independents" into line most of the time.  That's why McCain is so distasteful to many of them; sometimes he gets a buzz on and decides to point out how his colleagues are threatened and bought.  That does not mean he isn't; it just means his price goes up to keep his mouth shut.

    The internal battle among the Democrats has been a constant for many years.  Every Presidential nomination fight seems to end up being a corrupt Party hack versus a damn-fool, pie-in-the-sky reformer (not my belief; this is the way they package each other).  Clinton versus Obama, Kerry versus Dean, Gore versus Bradley, Clinton versus Tsongas, on and on and on.  

    Elected Democrats don't think they have to be loyal because there will always be someone powerful in the Party to back them up.

    The question is, if W.-Schultz and Meek were "primaried," would they be so craven as to go seek Republican votes just to stay in power, or would they change their ways?  The voters, and the Party, in south Florida should ask them.

    Hunter S. Thompson wrote, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." I want to know who has been getting my checks all these years.

    by algebrateacher on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:24:12 AM PDT

  •  this is outrageous (6+ / 0-)
    Thanks for staying on top of this issue.

    Chris Van Hollen needs to show some more leadership here.

    John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

    by desmoinesdem on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:27:13 AM PDT

  •  Wake up and smell the RW attack on Obama (4+ / 0-)

    marc ambinder blogg in atlantic

    Bill Kristol's New York Times column about Barack Obama this morning contains a major, prejudicial error.

    Paragraph five:

    But Ronald Kessler, a journalist who has written about Wright’s ministry, claims that Obama was in fact in the pews at Trinity last July 22. That’s when Wright blamed the "arrogance" of the "United States of White America" for much of the world’s suffering, especially the oppression of blacks. In any case, given the apparent frequency of such statements in Wright’s preaching and their centrality to his worldview, the pretense that over all these years Obama had no idea that Wright was saying such things is hard to sustain.
    The error is in trusting the source without checking.

    The truth is that Obama did not attend church on July 22.

    He was on his way to campaign in Miami.

    (Here is some video evidence.) This was before he signed an agreement forbidding himself from campaigning in Florida.

    Here is the original, false, Newsmax story:
    Obama Attended Hate America Sermon.

    One of his correspondents allegedly attended a service last summer where Rev. Wright preached on the "United States of White America." Kessler writes that Obama "nodded" his head while Wright preached along these lines:

    Addressing the Iraq war, Wright thundered, "Young African-American men" were "dying for nothing." The "illegal war," he shouted, was "based on Bush’s lies" and is being "fought for oil money."
    Now, a simple Google search suggests that Obama spent most of the day in Miami. But a simple e-mail or telephone call to Obama's campaign might have cleared things up.

  •  Thanks for this tidbit (4+ / 0-)

    Both better not run for higher officer, as a Floridian I will definitely vote against them.

    "It is not sexism at all, it is Clintonism" (Vera Lofaro; Daily KOS 25FEB2008) (Censor me if you must, but my vote will be against Hillary)

    by jamaicanblood on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:28:14 AM PDT

  •  So now when the DCCC calls me again (6+ / 0-)

    I can tell them they need to convince me why I should support them when they believe it's okay to support Republicans, which is the upshot here.

  •  APPALLNG! Should we try e-mailing? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    homoaffectional, MAORCA

    Some elected officials won't accept e-mails at their websites except from residents of their states.

    If we can't reach them online, let's pick up the phone.  I haven't gone to either website, but will do it now so I can post their phone numbers.  

    Or, if they will take e-mails from a Texan, I'll let you know.  

    •  General mass caterwauling (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      homoaffectional, MAORCA

      whether by email, post or phone is in order. That's our only recourse. And by all accounts from any elected official I've heard talking about it, it's what works.

      Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

      by bumblebums on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:32:10 AM PDT

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      •  Wrong. People elected from districts (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Helpless

        almost always have learned to tune out "general mass caterwauling" by people having no vote for or against them and no record of steady campaign financial support. The only people they have to keep happy are voters in the district or state and financial supporters. That is why most people in Congress filter mail by zip.

        The only factor in Wasserman Schultz's case different from this is the DCCC position. In reality that is not a post that represents anyone outside Congress because the Democrats in the House are their "district" for this purpose. If you've got a gripe about that and a Representative with a "D" tell them.

        Like it or not that is the way things are.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:16:16 AM PDT

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        •  I was talking about harassing the DCCC (0+ / 0-)

          which is answerable to all of us, not just their "district", as you put it, in D.C, judging from the perpetual pleas for money they send out hither and yon.

          Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

          by bumblebums on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:41:40 AM PDT

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          •  DCCC fundraising is about the only handle (0+ / 0-)

            available. A well put--and not offensive--response to fund raising calls and letters may have some influence; however, money does speak louder by amount and that is a problem.

            The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

            by pelagicray on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:06:37 AM PDT

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  •  Both Meek and DWS are Hillary supporters. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Susan S, homoaffectional, MAORCA

    Hillary should show some leadership and put pressure on them to support Democratinc challengers in South Florida.

    •  wait. You expect Ms. Focus Group (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Eman, homoaffectional, MAORCA

      to act without polling data?

      Why should she change course now, and do something so novel, so unexpected?

      In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - Mencken

      by agnostic on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:41:17 AM PDT

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    •  So is Martinez. How about some support. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      homoaffectional, MAORCA

      Hillary had a fund raiser at Raul Martinez's house recently. Martinez is on the Clinton campaign's Mayors Council and National Hispanic Leadership Council Executive Committee.

      All you Democratic candidates and super delegates in cities and states that 'don't count'. Look at how Raul has been treated by Hillary's two highest profile supporters in South Florida. Now would be a good time for the Clinton camapaign to intervene?

      Obama should offer to get down here and show some support. He's fighting for every vote in every precinct.

  •  David... (8+ / 0-)

    I am glad you continue to write about this issue... It is because you have brought attention to it that I was able to lay into the DCCC last night when they called me for more money.

    Let me relay my little story:

    I had just finished dinner at my parent's home last night, and I must admit that I was a bit buzzed from the excellent wine (who am I kidding, I was hammered), when my phone rang... It was a nice man from the DCCC asking me for another donation due to the fact that I had given in the past. I kindly told the person on the line that I will be donating to individual candidates this go around. Then he made a fatal mistake... he began to say "Well, I know why you might feel that way, but..." I cut him off... "You have no idea why I feel this way, the reason I will not donate to you at this time is due to the head of your Red to Blue Program Debbie Wasserman Schultz's refusal to support 3 Democratic challengers here in my state of Florida due to her personal relationships with the Republican incumbents. Until she supports them, I will donate to them individually and NOT give another dime to your organization." "Well, I guess I can't help you with that then." He responded. "No, I guess you can't. Have a nice evening."

    My mother and stepfather sat on the couch next to me in awe... My mother spoke with a chuckle... "That poor guy had no idea what he was getting into did he?"

    No mom, a well informed Voter, is a dangerous voter. So beware DCCC... people know what is going on, and we won't stand for it.

    77 65 65 6c 7a 75 70

    by weelzup on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:40:47 AM PDT

  •  What's the reasoning? (2+ / 0-)
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    indybend, MAORCA

    Have Meeks & DWS indicated why they are not backing these three Democratic challengers?  

  •  As they should be. (2+ / 0-)
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    tommymet, MAORCA

    Time to find some primary opponents to go against these jackasses.

    If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

    by Mz Kleen on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:51:09 AM PDT

  •  At the risk of being redundant, (2+ / 0-)
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    Helpless, MAORCA

    I'll repeat that the DCCC is essentially un-democratic and violates the principle of checks and balances.  Representatives need to be beholden to the people who elect them, not their past and future colleagues, whose interests may well conflict with those of their own districts.

    The DCCC is simply another example of the proliferation of middlemen, a burden that is dragging down our political system, as well as our economy.

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:57:48 AM PDT

  •  I have no problem with them being silent but (2+ / 0-)
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    homoaffectional, pelagicray

    W-S should not be part of leadership.  If you want to be in a leadership role in a party, you have to be partisan.  It would seem to be obvious.

    However, just because you are an elected official who is a member of a party, doesn't mean you have to support every one of that party's candidates.  That makes no sense.  Remember how we railed at the dem establishment who supported Lieberman against Lamont?  If you hold your members to the standard of actively supporting every dem candidate, it will inevitably lead to supporting every dem incumbent.  I know it shouldn't, but it does.  And we don't want that.

    New World Orders is the new novel of global warming and conspiracy by Ed Parrot and Jason Derrig. Check out excerpts at http://www.edwardgtalbot.com

    by eparrot on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:59:12 AM PDT

  •  Can you imagine republicans allowing this? (1+ / 0-)
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    homoaffectional

    It would be one thing if these three incumbents were remotely moderate but they aren't. Isn't Ross-Lehtinen the one who constantly accuses the dems of capitulating to the "terrists?"

    I think we've got to increase the amount of primary challengers. I was happy Edwards beat Wynn and distraught Lipinski survived but we need more primary challenges.

  •  Candidates should step up. (4+ / 0-)
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    Eman, weelzup, homoaffectional, MAORCA

    Obama should invite Hillary to join him for an event in Miami to help these 3 candidates. I know Martinez is a big Hillary supporter and the other 2 may be as well but they are all Democrats with a chance of turning 3 red seats blue.

    Call a truce for one event to support Miami Democrats. Hillary should contact Meek and DWS and give them an opportunity to change their position and join them. And if the Clinton campaign is going to repay Miami Democrats who have given her support with two knives in the back to kick off their campaigns then Obama should lend a hand.

    •  Obama doesn't need her help... (2+ / 0-)
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      Eman, MAORCA

      They can ride his coattails alone... they are big enough.

      Don't believe me... just look at what happened in IL... former Speaker Hastert's seat is not being warmed by a Democrat.

      77 65 65 6c 7a 75 70

      by weelzup on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:09:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But he should put her on the spot (5+ / 0-)
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        Eman, Woody, weelzup, homoaffectional, MAORCA

        He should ask her to stand up for her own supporters in Miami and if she won't he should unconditionally. Even if they are Clinton supporters. It will get loads of press in South Florida and really put those two creeps on the spot.

      •  Obama is flagging and he needs all the help (2+ / 0-)
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        weelzup, homoaffectional

        he can get.  The Democrats in unison must deliver the proclamation that the HEAD OF STATE is a hellova lot more than just the "Commander in Chief", and that Republican bumpkins are not qualified for the role.  We (Obama) must rise above the fray if we expect to win true control of the government.

        It seems to me that fear of responsibility is the primary characterization of political parties and so it is with the Democrats.  They simply want to retain their positions and too big of a win will cause them to be accountable.  It is accountability that is the downfall in all politicos.  It is accountability that must be avoided.  This is an easy game in a two party system.

        "I know no safe depository for the ultimate power of society but the people themselves" -- Jefferson

        by TheTrucker on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:30:19 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  This is a great idea. (3+ / 0-)
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        Woody, weelzup, homoaffectional

        Obama can score big by taking the battle to Hillaryland this way. Win voters for these Democratic candidates, excite people for the GE and expose the disgusting behavior of DWS/Meek.

        On a side-note, the Bill Foster and Jerry McNerny victories have been two of my fondest political moments. As a technologist, I've been thrilled to see more professional scientists elected.

        Clintons: 2001-2006 tax returns, earmarks please.

        by MAORCA on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:41:12 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  OOOPS!!! (0+ / 0-)

        I meant that former Speaker Hastert's seat is NOW being warmed by a Democrat.

        77 65 65 6c 7a 75 70

        by weelzup on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:46:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  According to another Kossack that went so far... (0+ / 0-)

        ... as to come out of lurking to make this observation, the candidates in these three districts could use all the help they can get.

        Sorry

        I agree with you whole-heartedly, but the fact of the matter is that the Cuban vote is lost for at least another generation. All most (but not all) of the old folk down there do is complain about the butt-hurt they got after Batista got ridden-out on a rail. While I think Castro was just as bad, if not worse than Batista, they still live in an alternate reality. The problem is they are very passionate about this butt-hurt. My boyfriend, who is not welcome in his old family home because he is gay, explained this to me once. You see, he is the grandson of one of these refugees. Anyhow, the point is  that children are educated early on about the evils of Cuba and that of anyone who espouses the ideology even remotely like Castro - in other words, the political left (I would disagree, since Castro is not leftist IMHO). He said it is kinda like those KKK kids on Jerry Springer. The mantra and the constant ranting against the American left gets ingrained to the point it becomes second nature. They really start to believe that we are trying to turn America into Cuba. He said that some even celebrate Kennedy's assassination, since they believe the "bastard" abandoned them. Some think differently, but if they do, they don't make it known or risk being ostracized. Basically, like many hispanic gays, he got estranged from his family when he came out of the closet. The point is, the Diaz-Balarat brothers are in districts which are solidly comprised of these Cubans. It seems unlikely we can win there. I'm not saying its impossible, but I certainly wouldn't put a lot of money on it. Kinda like trying to take down Orrin Hatch, that's all.

        Link to that comment

        BTW, don't be so complacent... bordering even on arrogant.  If you knew more about the IL-14 race, you would know that the Republican in that race was universally despised, and many Republican voters would rather let the seat go blue than vote for him, and the Repub leadership in that state are trying to get him to stand down for the general election, where he and the Dem will have a rematch as it stands currently.  Otherwise, this wouldn't be the only special election we've won where we flipped a US House seat from red to blue since late 2004.

        •  Yes, it's DWS vs. the DCCC (0+ / 0-)

          This is all about the DCCC insiders picking candidates to further their agenda and not  considering local politics.  And in this case, if they wanted Debbie's support, they should have recruited candidates aligned with Debbie on Cuba:

          "She's cultivated this enormous political capital, and that's a lot to risk embracing those not entirely in line with her views," suggests Mauricio Claver-Carone, a director of the U.S.-Cuba Democracy PAC.

          (That's the U.S.-Cuba Democaracy PAC that contributed $20K to Debbie.)

          But instead, the three DCCC candidates reportedly support freeing up travel and other restrictions - views opposed to Debbie's and the three Republican incumbents.

          Wasserman Schultz has courted the Cuban-American community since she came to Washington: As a freshman legislator, she helped found the Cuba Democracy Caucus, a bipartisan group of pro-embargo legislators that works to thwart efforts to ease the embargo. She worked last year, Ros-Lehtinen says, ''like a tiger'' to help quash a push to ease travel and trade restrictions, delivering pro-travel advocates a big loss.

          "It's quite a quandary for Debbie," said Miami-Dade Commissioner Sally Heyman, a former legislator who roomed with Wasserman Schultz in Tallahassee. "They've developed this working relationship that has them entirely united on South Florida issues.""

          And to those who call for Debbie to step aside, it appears Debbie agrees:

          But Wasserman Schultz has already told the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that if any of the three make the cut, another Democrat should be assigned to the race.

          So it appears to me this is another case of the DCCC playing king maker (badly), deciding who we should elect without assessing local support beforehand.  So if the DCCC wants to spend our contributions spitting (have to be polite, I'm at work) into the wind, I guess we have to stand back and watch:

          The point is, the Diaz-Balarat brothers are in districts which are solidly comprised of these Cubans. It seems unlikely we can win there. I'm not saying its impossible, but I certainly wouldn't put a lot of money on it.

          Bush Administration: Proving the saying, "You can fool most of the people some of the time, and 30% 24% 19% all the time."

          by Helpless on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 03:33:16 PM PDT

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        •  Miami is changing (1+ / 0-)
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          homoaffectional

          Raul Martinez was Mayor of Hialeah for 8 straight terms. Hialeah is the epicenter of Miami Cubans. This district also includes Doral where Cubans are a small minority and the population is made up of a cross section of middle class Colombians, Venezuelans, Argentines, Dominicans, Brazilians and Peruvians plus smaller numbers of other Hispanics from Central and South America and the Caribbean.

          With more recently arrived Cubans (a lot of whom live in blue collar Hialeah) who have family who are dependent on them in Cuba Raul's promise to loosen restrictions for Cubans with family in Cuba for remittances and visits is a very popular idea.

          This is the best chance in a long time to unseat at least some of this trio.

          •  I definitely agree more with you than the comment (0+ / 0-)

            I cited...  but I also think that no one presidential candidate should completely rule out help if it is offered to turn any or all of these districts blue, and it would be a good prelude to Democratic unity to see them team up to do so.  However the nominee question is settled, at some point, the Democratic Party has to unite to stop John McCain, and a joint endorsement by the remaining two candidates of the opponents of the "Cuban Three" is a good test of the party's ability to do so.

  •  It appears that the Democratic Party will (1+ / 0-)
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    homoaffectional

    continue to nurse the "small majority" excuse as long as possible.  The point being one of non-accountablility which is the mainstay of political power.  It is best to have the other party to blame when things don't go right.  The last thing the SEATED Democrats want at this point is to be in a position where they can be unseated for things that go awry.  If there is a 150 seat majority in the House of Representatives then the Democrats will be forced to shoulder the responsiblity for the continuing occupation of Iraq.  IMHO they already do because they have the House majority and could have cut off funding already.  They have been able to blame the "blue dogs" and the Senate.  The latter, of course, just shows the ignorance of the people regarding their Constitution.

    Both parties play the same game of blame the other party because "we" do not have a large enough majority to get things done.

    The Republican blasting of Obama for the church thing and the "we don't want no black CIC" will continue.  If Obama is not able to rise above this then the result will be a McCain (P)residency and a small Democratic majority in the Congress.  The perfect formula for stalemate and the status quo. And is stalemate and status quo that all House members truly want.

    "I know no safe depository for the ultimate power of society but the people themselves" -- Jefferson

    by TheTrucker on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:14:37 AM PDT

    •  I understand your concerns... (0+ / 0-)

      ... but I think you're being overly alarmed about Obama. His campaign is doing just fine. A few more days and people are going to tune out the hullabaloo.

      Clintons: 2001-2006 tax returns, earmarks please.

      by MAORCA on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:43:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah, and I know... (0+ / 0-)

      ... I might get troll-rated for saying this, but look how that worked out for Eliot Spitzer.  Believe it or not, he was vastly unpopular even before hooker-gate, partly because he was too busy trying to play hardball and embarass the NY senate Repubs instead of getting meaningful legislation passed.  Ultimately, he was forced to back down and be more conciliatory.

      If he and Clinton wanted, they could have used their impressive statewide coattails and taken the NY state senate in 2006.  But why take responsibility for things when you can try to play the blame game and make the Republicans the fall guy for all your failings?

  •  If Schultz and Weeks (3+ / 0-)
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    tommymet, homoaffectional, MAORCA

    are in safe districts, all the more reason to primary their asses out of there.

    Je suis inondé de déesses

    by Marc in KS on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:16:50 AM PDT

  •  Phones and Fax #'s for Both (3+ / 0-)
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    Eman, homoaffectional, MAORCA

    Only constituents from their DISTRICTS can e-mail.

    The rest of us can call and fax their various offices:  (sorry this didn't post as I wrote it - get out your pens and paper)

    Schultz:  DC    Phone: (202) 225-7931  Fax:              (202) 226-2052  

    Broward:  Phone:  (954) 437-3936  Fax: (954) 437-4776
    Miami/Dade   Phone  (305) 936-5724    Fax: (305) 932-9664

    MEEKS:  DC  Phone: (202) 225-4506  Fax: (202) 226-0777

    Miami/Dade:  Phone: (305) 690-5905  Fax: (305) 690-5951

    Broward: Phone: (954) 450-6767  Fax: (954) 450-6768

  •  schultz is hillary superdelegate: (2+ / 0-)
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    homoaffectional, MAORCA

    so her help to repuglyscams is a natural extension of her political ideology.

    The Democrats in 2008 are fighting over the soul of their Party, and so far the pro-soul side is losing.

    by Zacapoet on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:30:46 AM PDT

  •  We're going to Lose! Unless, (0+ / 0-)

    you do what I say!!!
    ugh.

  •  Dems Annette Taddeo, Joe Garcia and Raul Martinez (0+ / 0-)

    should consider primary challenges to Wasserman Schultz and/or Kendrick Meek. Maybe with our support we can shake things up down there and help put their priorities back in order...

    Support democracy at home and abroad, join the ACLU & Amnesty International http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org http://www.aclu.org Your voice is needed!

    by tnichlsn on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:18:08 AM PDT

  •  Got in a discussion from another Obama supporter- (1+ / 0-)
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    luvmovies2000

    from my home state who basically said, that a do-over would be fine with him and other supporters of both Obama and Clinton if both candidates could fork over the money it would take to run it through the FL Secy of State like a real election.  I am okay with this.  What I am NOT okay with is the fact that I truly believe a lot of voters stayed home that day...also, the candidates never even visited the state -- I am for a re-do....

  •  Outraged? (2+ / 0-)
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    Woody, homoaffectional

    Help out the Garcia campaign: http://joegarcia08.com/

  •  We need a netroots challenger (0+ / 0-)

    candidate as soon as there's a primary situation.

    Everyone's always in favor of saving Hitler's brain. But when you put it in the body of a great white shark, oh! Suddenly you've gone too far!-Futurama

    by McJagger on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:52:41 AM PDT

  •  GO VOTE FOR BARACK AT "AOL STRAW POLL" (0+ / 0-)
  •  Don't hurt Repub feelings: screw soldiers an kids (0+ / 0-)

    I guess the Mothers with sons in Iraq, the children without health care and the people who have a home in foreclosure can just tough it out, so the DCCC will be able to accommodate the two reps, who are concerned about hurting Republican feelings.

  •  As a FLoridian I am appalled by these two Dems (1+ / 0-)
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    luvmovies2000

    whom I had previously been proud of. Who do they think they are? It's the people, not these two who decide, and it's arrogant of them to take this stance.

    After they have seen up close what Rethugs have done in Congress how can they think this way?

    Thank God the Democrats won control of the Senate... otherwise, think of how different everything would be. -G.Greenwald

    by Gorette on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:44:39 AM PDT

  •  Do Florida dems deserve a vote in the primary? (0+ / 0-)

    While we're talking about how 'they deserve nothing less'.

    I think it's a little odd to be writing articles about Florida politics when Dean has effectively disenfranchised the whole state in the nomination process for the next president of the USA.

    "Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." -- JFK

    by Tryptophan on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:50:35 AM PDT

  •  Thank You DavidNYC... (2+ / 0-)
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    Woody, homoaffectional
    for all your posts about this and continuing to decry the foolish actions by DWS and Meek. I live in Miami. My district has been represented by both Republican Illeana Ross-Lehtinen and now Lincoln Diaz-Balart. (thanks to Republican redistricting) I've been longing for a real challenger to the Republican dominance in my district and finally when there is one in Democrat Raul Martinez, DWS and Meek wimp out at supporting the best chance at victory I've ever seen.  They need to help fellow Democrats or step down from the DCCC.

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