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I’ll be brief here. No one saw the "historic" speech that Barack Obama  gave today that has this site swooning, and collapsing on the fainting couch. I went to work today. I came home. I watched the news and saw a talking head jabbering OVER Obama’s speech. They finished the segment with the infamous segment of Obama’s pastor, Jeremiah Wright , saying "God Damn America". Most Americans are like me. They weren’t glued to YouTube, or C-Span or MSNBC. They didn’t excitedly google the text of the speech. They aren’t willfully ignorant. They just didn’t go out and get it the way his adherents have.

Damage was done here and he didn’t repair the damage because: 1) he was not heard and because 2) the message wasn’t quite as simple and powerful as "God Damn America". Of course, this sort of guilt by association is pathetic, and a deliberate distraction from the multiple, planetwide disasters set in motion by this Republican administration. But it works. And that’s what we were always up against –one of the most effective propaganda machines any quasi-dictatorship has ever devised.  Obama apparently thinks he can speechify the American people – and that they are actually going to listen to the speech. They didn’t.

For the past 7 news cycles they have been stripping this man down to his underwear metaphorically. He did not recover today. He gave a great speech –to the choir. But  the Reagan Democrats, and the others that we need to cross over, did not hear. All they heard was "God Damn America".

In the meantime, McCain is off making money in fundraisers, BBQ’ing for the press, being idolized by troops in Baghdad photo ops. All because the Democrats cannot come to any form of compromise about this will turn out.

I understand that my views will be unpopular, and that this site has been commandeered by Jackals for Obama. That’s fine. I’m telling you, I am not going.  Because you need to hear something besides the sound of your own voices.

This man wasn’t vetted and this was all very predictable. There is more to come just like this.  I voted for the lady who had the house burn down around her, and then rose from the ashes with a plan to make them very sorry they ever messed with her.

This incident is very bad not just for Obama, but for the Democratic brand. Millions of Americans are trying to envision their pastor saying what Wright said. They are having trouble doing it.

Will Americans forget this and vote the issues in November –issues which favor Democrats? If the past is prologue to the present, there is no guarantee. The Republicans have been very lucky lately – Spitzer was felled over a peccadillo that barely marred Vitter, a major government contract was steered away from a blue state (Washington) and toward a red state that Obama had aspirations to win in November (Alabama)...and now this.  The speech did nothing but make the choir sing a little louder.

Originally posted to Ben' s Dad on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:35 PM PDT.

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  •  I watched a fair amount of coverage this evening (30+ / 0-)

    and they showed decent size clips from the speech, and pretty much all of the commentators gave the speech positive reviews.  I don't know what network you watched, but I didn't see what you saw.

    But then again, maybe I'm just an Obama cultist jackal.

    Full Disclosure: I'm an Obama Supporter

    by smash artist on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:37:46 PM PDT

  •  I'm afraid you're right (3+ / 0-)
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    Asak, lawprofessor, bethrsingleton

    The problem is, and I hope I don't sound too much like an elitist, but the average voter doesn't pay a damn bit of attention beyond about 8 words, and Obama's speeches don't fit into that framework.  Nor do any liberal's.  It's the only reason Republicans maintain power--they can say powerful things in 8 words or less that, no matter how stupid, sound good if you don't think about it.

    disclaimer: I'm not an Obama supporter, nor a Clinton supporter really (although I defend her a lot here).

    anyone but a Republican (-8.00/-7.23)

    by slynch on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:41:39 PM PDT

    •  Maybe it will hurt him (10+ / 0-)

      but in the last two presidential elections, we've had candidates who dumbed themselves down and watered down their positions, thinking it would be what the "average voter" would accept.  Look at where that got us the last eight years.

      If we lose this year, at least I want to go down swinging.

      Full Disclosure: I'm an Obama Supporter

      by smash artist on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:44:45 PM PDT

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      •  yeah, me too. (1+ / 0-)
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        I struggle with this issue.  I wish our pols would make the real points and not water them down.  But, at the same time, anything that requires genuine explanation just gets tuned out.

        The problem is that reality isn't simple, but no one wants to think complexly.

        anyone but a Republican (-8.00/-7.23)

        by slynch on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:52:34 PM PDT

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      •  They weren't dumbed down enough perhaps (1+ / 0-)
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        moviemeister76

        or maybe they weren't smart enough, I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

        What's clear is that our news media is the dumbest and most vicious it's ever been.

        Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

        by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:12:14 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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        "but in the last two presidential elections, we've had candidates who dumbed themselves down and watered down their positions, thinking it would be what the "average voter" would accept."

        Not sure what specific position of Gore you refer to, but if it's about the environment, you're merely perpetuating a false  CW myth. Gore addressed the environment strongly in his platform: please see here.

        A rule of thumb: In general, a large portion of the conventional wisdom about the 2000 election is factually flawed or logically weak.

        •  it's because people don't want to acknowledge (2+ / 0-)
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          the power of the media to shape public opinion, so they'd rather blame it on the candidates.

          The media took an hour's worth of footage of Gore kicking Bush's ass in debate, selected the ten seconds in which Gore sighed and rolled his eyes, made it into a clip and showed it endlessly on the evening news. And that's what people remembered about Gore.

          Similarly with Kerry--Kerry bought airtime to counter the SBVT, but the media simply ignored the rebuttals and continued to treat the SBVT like a serious story.

          Fortunately, now we have the Internet to counter this tendency. But, if we didn't have it, I suspect Obama would never have made it this far.

  •  You're Right Again (0+ / 0-)

    But it won't be popular around here...

    Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

    by The Baculum King on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:42:41 PM PDT

  •  This was a truly historic day. (0+ / 0-)

    What Obama said today changed America.  Hide and watch.  

    "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by godislove on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:44:29 PM PDT

  •  Cautiousness goblins? NT (0+ / 0-)

    "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." Orwell

    by NotablyZen on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:44:39 PM PDT

  •  First off, what kind of Patty Duke Show Fantasy (5+ / 0-)
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    do you live in so I know where to start...

    Yes we can change. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can seize our future. - Barack Obama 01/26/08

    by MadAsHellMaddie on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:45:28 PM PDT

  •  You know - (14+ / 0-)

    I hear there's a strike going on.

    Seriously though - you couldn't be more wrong about this speech.

    Not only did this speech put an end to the Wright storyline - it utterly changed the discussion we're having - and when I say "we're having" - I do mean ALL of us.

    His speech was brilliant. His strategy so far this campaign has been brilliant.

    Today is the anniversary of the beginning of the war in Iraq - a war that CLINTON voted for. One she voted for without reading intelligence briefings. One she has refused to apologize for - and one she has defended. Repeatedly. And then she turned around and voted to give the same authority to Bush to attack Iran...because apparently she didn't learn the first time around that she was wrong and shouldn't trust Bush.

    This speech will inspire discussion and will be talked about for decades.

    Hillary needs to concede. She has lost. She cannot win fairly - she should end this while she still has some credibility.

    And you can try to claim all day long that this speech will harm Obama - but the only people who will be agreeing with you are right wing loonies like Hannity and O'Reilly and Limbaugh - and of course your fellow Clinton supporters (well, some of them anyway). This speech won't harm Obama...it will certainly help him.

    •  You Really Believe That Don't You?? (0+ / 0-)

      Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

      by The Baculum King on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:51:51 PM PDT

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      •  He has won this race in every way. (12+ / 0-)

        She no longer has her "popular vote" argument - since FL and MI will not hold any re-votes.

        She has NO argument to make to the supers to vote for her over Obama - all she has left is, "pick me...I'm better. I promise."

        Here's what you need to understand- Obama is building this party. Clinton cannot do that. If she steals this nomination the Democratic Party shrinks in size. I'll vote for her if I absolutely have to - but that is IT.

        Perhaps you don't understand what that means - but I'm an activist. When election time rolls around - I spend 30 hours a week volunteering. I won't do that for her. I donate money. I WILL NOT give her a cent. I email my friends and family and remind them to GOTV. I will not do that for her. I register people to vote - and tell them where their polling place is. I will not do that for her.

        And I'm not the only one. Hey - I'll VOTE for her if I have to! According to some polling - 1 in 5 Democrats won't do that!

        She cannot win this nomination. She can only steal it. And if she steals it. We lose in November.

        So - the supers have a choice...they can destroy this party, or they can get behind the candidate who has already won this nomination.

        Whatever choice they make - I know what I'm doing - and I know what I'm NOT doing.

        Hillary Clinton made her choices. She could have run an entirely different campaign. Shit...until November I would have been ecstatic to vote for either one of them. She was my second choice. I thought they would both be good choices. Then she decided to run her campaign the way she did. She lied, smeared, and she played the race card using surrogates. She has run the past few weeks like she's the Republican. When she made those choices - she chose to accept the consequences. Well, the consequences aren't pretty.

        So yeah, I really believe that.

        This speech will help Obama. This speech brings Hillary's candidacy that much closer to being over. Republicans can talk about how Obama is done all day long - and misguided Democrats can join them - but in the end, we can either win in November or lose in November.

        The supers will make that choice...I sure hope they choose wisely.

        •  I Actually Meant the Wright Storyline (0+ / 0-)

          It's not going away, and has made his chances of pulling Independents considerably less, which makes pissing on the heads of fellow Democrats even less smart than it was last week, but ya'll go ahead and enjoy your triumphalism while it lasts.

          Louisiana hot sauce goes well with ashes.

          Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

          by The Baculum King on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:10:37 PM PDT

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          •  We get your meaning: (0+ / 0-)

            If Hillary doesn't win you will take your marbles and go home.

            John McBush thanks you for staying home.

            John Paul Stevens will try to keep eating his Wheaties, I'm sure.  But time ticks.

            "It is time to turn the page." Indeed.

            by tecampbell on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:52:20 PM PDT

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            •  I Will Vote for the Nominee, Period (0+ / 0-)

              I have repeatedly made that perfectly clear since before this became a two-way race.

              So fuck off.

              Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

              by The Baculum King on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:05:28 AM PDT

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              •  Your words: (1+ / 0-)
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                which makes pissing on the heads of fellow Democrats even less smart than it was last week

                I'm sick of the zero sum game which Hillary supporters are pushing.  You want to convince me by telling me that your supporters will vote for McCain if I don't vote for Hillary?  Really?

                It's not working for her and you know it.  It's over, and you folks are willing to burn the tent down if you don't get your way.

                So, fuck off yourself.

                "It is time to turn the page." Indeed.

                by tecampbell on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:44:54 AM PDT

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                •  First, I've Never Been a Hillary Supporter (1+ / 0-)
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                  Second, you prove my point perfectly. If Obama is inevitably the Nominee, what is gained by the continued vitriol poured on fellow Democrats?

                  Staying home is an option many may exercise if Obama supporters alienate them sufficiently, to no purpose.

                  Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

                  by The Baculum King on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:06:46 AM PDT

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                  •  So, let us agree that the tent is catching flame. (0+ / 0-)

                    Where is the heat coming from?  Who is lighting the matches?  

                    The one who has the most delegates?

                    Not bloody likely.

                    Anyone with eyes can see who is trying to burn down the tent.

                    If, as you claim, you are an unaffiliated Dem then you should be doing all that you can to put out the fire.

                    It's not going away, and has made his chances of pulling Independents considerably less, which makes pissing on the heads of fellow Democrats even less smart than it was last week, but ya'll go ahead and enjoy your triumphalism while it lasts.

                    Louisiana hot sauce goes well with ashes.

                    You are making a crappy firefighter atm.

                    "It is time to turn the page." Indeed.

                    by tecampbell on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:24:29 AM PDT

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    •  Its not going away (unfortunately) (2+ / 0-)
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      His speech will not end the Wright issue - I'm not sure if anything can - do you think the same people who turned Max Cleland a triple amputee war hero into some sort of terrorist sympathizer are really just going to drop this after one speech.

      good luck with that.

      The question is what can Obama/We do to fight back??

      BTW - I don't want HRC as the nominee so don't go there - its not about the primary its about the general.

      I am Dyslexic, it is a battle (which I often lose) to write without error. Thanks in advance for putting up with my mistakes

      by jmorton on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:34:04 PM PDT

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    •  Former congressman Lloyd Flake from (1+ / 0-)
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      Queens, also a reverand, was on Charlie Rose tonight talking about what a great speech it was. He called it the most important speech since M.L. King. He had very high praise for someone who was introduced as a Clinton supporter.

      I've always wanted to make a comment that ends with the word Mayonnaise

      by frankzappatista on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:37:59 PM PDT

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  •  What I think (4+ / 0-)

    I wrote a diary about this earlier and I somewhat agree with you. Those Reagan democrats probably aren't going to see it. BUT I also don't think they were audience. I think the target audience was a) his active supporters, the ones that donate and volunteer and phonebank. It has been incredibly demoralizing to see him trashed like this and this was a way to rally up the base, remind us why he's our guy and allay our doubts if there were any. Also, it was an attempt to win back the media which has been ruthlessly attacking him, and giving them a new story. And lastly, it's for the superdelegates, to show that he fights back against swiftboating and to remind them what an opportunity his candidacy is.

    I think in those terms, the speech certainly succeeded.  Everyone on Daily Kos loved it and is energized, and the media is giving him a break and not keeping the clips on Wright on loop.

    As far as the Reagan Democrats, he really does have his work cut out for him, I agree. It's TOUGH. The one thing he has on his side is time since Penn is 4 weeks away. I think that for him to lose by less than 10 is a victory, and I am hoping he can get there.

    Sometimes...the people we love disappoint us.

    by jenontheshore on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:45:34 PM PDT

    •  Nightly (2+ / 0-)

      I end up reading one post that expresses exactly what i think, and each time, the writer turns out to be you.  I think we're philosophically twins separated at birth!

      Seriously, I agree with you.  I do think getting the Reagan Dems will be an uphill climb, but it isn't an impossible one.  I know he has substantive speeches aimed at the economy and Iraq laid out for later in the week. Hopefully, those will help. Agree also that the target in Penn is to lose by less than 10.

      Primarily, I think this speech was aimed at holding his supporters -- many of whom are people like me who have been filled with grave anxiety for the last several days and needed to be assuaged, and inspired again.

      And I also agree that the other key audience was the media because he needed to snatch back his position in the driver's seat. I do think he managed to get as much positive press coverage as possible -- regardless of how many people actually watch the speech in full.

      In addition, I concur that the third key audience were the superdelegates who were probably also watching this scenario closely to see how he would react.

      I never had any illusions that the speech would magically bring people on board who were not inclined toward him in the first place.   I was reading some really vitriolic stuff over at ABC from commentators and initially I could feel my blood pressure rising.  But I realized after a bit that the people who write things like "I always knew he was trouble" were never in his camp, and were never going to be persuaded anyway.  

      Finally -- it is 2008. The national nightmare is almost over.

      by Delilah on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:06:46 PM PDT

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      •  So sweet! (0+ / 0-)

        Thank you very much! I am glad we are working together for the same goal.

        Sometimes...the people we love disappoint us.

        by jenontheshore on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:09:21 PM PDT

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        •  Indeed we are (1+ / 0-)
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          I know from reading your posts that we share simpatico hopes for the country and for our candidate, as well as the most painful anxieties in the last several days.  I appreciate that because it would be easier to just post things affirmatively about how everything is fine and Obama is sailing to the White House by landslide victory, and that these latest obstacles are but a blip on the rosy radar.  But I don't see how someone cannot be conflicted and anxious over the events of late, which requires working through the complexity.

          Finally -- it is 2008. The national nightmare is almost over.

          by Delilah on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:22:15 PM PDT

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    •  Good analysis, jen (1+ / 0-)
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      jenontheshore

      I thought the speech politically was aimed at Democrats although he addressed the country, the real aim was for the next primary states, to make sure his campaign didn't get derailed among Dems.

      Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

      by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:16:26 PM PDT

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  •  Question for you.. (1+ / 0-)
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    How does it feel to be a troll?

    I only say this because your prior comments completely contradict this diary.

    Ray

  •  Funny (19+ / 0-)

    I talked to my Republican sister tonight...after seeing the clips on the news, she went and watched the whole speech online and thought it was "the best speech I've ever heard."  But hey, maybe she's just a jackal too.

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by Barbara Morrill on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:46:43 PM PDT

    •  odd, isn't it (2+ / 0-)
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      when the Republicans are more aware, and more progressive, than the Hillarycrits.

    •  As a Republican... (0+ / 0-)

      I'd imagine she would.

      What is the definition of complicity?

      complicity - involvement as an accomplice in a questionable act or a crime.  

      Complicity...

      And occasionally it [anger] finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

      Why wouldn't a Republican like this speech?

      Accepting personal responsibility is one thing. I agree that we should. But complicity? That's a whole 'nuther thing. Complicity in what, exactly?

      There is so much wrong with the paragraph blocked above and the ones following it in the speech - from tone to portrayal - that it would take a diary to explain it.

      But here's a thing. The anger of Blacks and the anger of Whites are not similar. One is borne of resentment. The other is borne of oppression. Should never be compared.

      The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world She didn't exist.

      by callmecassandra on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:57:59 PM PDT

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      •  No, we shouldn't talk about our anger (0+ / 0-)

        and how it may be similar or different.  Shouldn't ever be talked about!  This seems to be your position.  So you want to know, complicity in what?

        You see, cassandra -- this is YOUR complicity in the continued problem of racial tensions. We all are complicit, we all are locked into our internal frames on race.

        And in those frames we will stay until we listen to people like Barack (are there any others on the national stage speaking to us truthfully about this?  I don't know of any).

        But go ahead, get angry at Barack and attack him for telling the truth about our individual responsibility.  That will help.

        I have a lifetime of experience. It took every moment of my life to get that experience too. It was hard work, believe me.

        by spotDawa on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:11:19 AM PDT

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        •  I'd planned on responding to your comment, (0+ / 0-)

          point by point.

          But I realize, we aren't on the same page.

          What does complicity mean? And do you see "complicity" used when Obama moves to White anger?

          Now, when you answer those two questions (I've already given you the answer to one) then we can talk. Then again, if you answer the questions correctly, we may no longer need to discuss because you may have an understanding of my point.

          Anger at Barack? No. I pity him. Not in condescension and not for reasons that you will undoubtedly assume.

          Nite.

          The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world She didn't exist.

          by callmecassandra on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:07:28 AM PDT

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          •  He's saying that our respective anger (0+ / 0-)

            makes us complicit in not seeking solutions.

            I see no problem here, and I do not think he made a direct comparison between black anger and white anger they obviously derive from different sources. I think he simply pointed out anger itself as viewed from each side or perspective. There is no need to give primacy to anger born out of resentment or anger born out of oppression. Anger is anger, and it is an obstacle to resolution when it is not transformed by a productive solution. And if is merely allowed to fester and grow.

            pity? whatever you mean by that it seems unfounded.

            I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere ~ Thomas Jefferson

            by valadon on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 05:13:54 AM PDT

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            •  Went back, re-considered, re-read. (0+ / 0-)

              Nope.

              Anger does distract and prevent us seeking solutions if we cling to it. I agree.

              But how does anger make us complicit in our own "condition"? What was the "condition" he referred to?

              Anger is anger, and it is an obstacle to resolution when it is not transformed by a productive solution.

              And when productive solutions are not allowed? Say when Whites block solutions to resolution, what then? Anger will fester because of it. But Blacks are somehow "complicit" with this anger resulting from the absence of resolution which is blocked not by them but by Whites. Obama should have used "personal responsibility" or "responsibility" instead of complicity. It leaves one feeling...criminal.

              And yes, Obama did refer to the anger of Blacks and Whites as similar. They are not.

              pity? whatever you mean by that it seems unfounded.

              Well, if you don't know what it means, I don't see how you find it unfounded.

              The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world She didn't exist.

              by callmecassandra on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 07:53:44 AM PDT

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              •  I have a feeling we're not too far off (0+ / 0-)

                here Cassandra...but I wouldn't place so much emphasis on the word complicit, it doesn't necessarily imply criminality...all it means in the sense that I think Obama means it, is that each side "is party to" a lack of a real solution in whatever way they may contribute to that lack. Sometimes one or both sides can obstruct progress, can promote fear or hatred or can dwell on their anger etc. (BTW that last point is probably why he objected to Rev. Wright's statements).

                As to your pity comment, you could have clarified your meaning in this exchange. You already said what it wasn't. It just didn't make sense to me in the context of your argument. I'd be happy to hear your basis for it.

                I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere ~ Thomas Jefferson

                by valadon on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 02:35:21 PM PDT

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  •  It only has 875,354 views in less (9+ / 0-)

    than 24 hours over on YouTube. I bet it'll hit 1 million by morning.

    I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

    by gabbardd on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:47:38 PM PDT

    •  How Many of Those AREN'T The Faithful?? (0+ / 0-)

      I'm sure they have swarmed that like they swarm any Diary here critical of Clinton.

      Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

      by The Baculum King on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:56:18 PM PDT

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      •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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        If Barack has almost a million faithful swarming over his videos, I think his campaign is doing just fine.

        Sometimes...the people we love disappoint us.

        by jenontheshore on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:19:28 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, A Million Will Get You Elected (0+ / 0-)

          Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

          by The Baculum King on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:22:34 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Whatever number it is, it was enough to beat (2+ / 0-)
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            humphrey, jenontheshore

            Clinton.

            •  Yeah, Because That's All That Matters (1+ / 0-)
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              Bensdad

              Losing in November is a mere formality...

              Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

              by The Baculum King on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:25:16 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Clinton can't beat McCain (4+ / 0-)
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                so you better hope Obama can.

                •  well I do hope that Obama can beat McC (0+ / 0-)

                  And I also hope that Obama is the nominee.  But I think the landscape -- ever subject to change -- is a little different from a month ago when Obama led McCain handily, and then a few weeks ago when Obama and Clinton were both leading McCain. But today, things are tighter for both Democrats against the Republican.  As such, if the general election were held today, I think either Democrat would have to fight hard to win and would have just about an even chance of doing so.  I only say that based on the average of the latest head to head match ups. I prefer where we stood a month ago or even a few weeks ago... but we are where we are.  

                  Finally -- it is 2008. The national nightmare is almost over.

                  by Delilah on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:33:54 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Oh sure. Getting bashed by 2 candidates (0+ / 0-)

                    has certainly changed the landscape for Obama. No doubt.

                    However, as Clinton can only get the nomination via the supers and a sizable portion of the Dems said they'd sit at home if Clinton got the nomination that way, we better hope she does not. It wouldn't even be a coin flip.

                    •  Well of course (0+ / 0-)

                      And I also saw a poll last week (Tuesday) which noted that a larger number of Hillary supporters said that they would not vote for Barack, presumably due to the divisive nature of the primary.  They both need the other candidate's cadre of supporters to win in the general. I would hope that the party can unite for the general.  But that does not change the fact that your view was predicated on the notion that Hillary could not win... and I am saying that at this point, both Dems (regardless of the reason why), have equal chance of winning.  Naturally I prefer my guy to be in the ascendant position, he is not.

                      Finally -- it is 2008. The national nightmare is almost over.

                      by Delilah on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:45:30 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Well considering the level of GOP (0+ / 0-)

                        support she's getting at this point I'm not sure that would all be Dems turned off by some perceived slight.

                        I look at the polls but those aren't really great indicators. It doesn't measure the people who won't show up for example. Turnout will be high against HRC but will be high for BHO.  

              •  Where is the proof that (1+ / 0-)
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                begone

                Obama can't win? I mean, really, Hillary supporters spout this as gospel truth when there is very little evidence of this. He won red and purple states which gives us a better shot of winning than focusing on the blue states and fighting over a few swing states.  Some of the latest polls have Hillary ahead but polls are not predictive and both Clinton and Obama supporters need to stop relying on them so much.  A poll is a snapshot of a certain group of people at a certain time extrapolated out.  It can show past trends that may help inform future trends but they are not reliable, particularly when you are talking about a general election poll asked now.

                It is disingenuous at the least to say that the person currently winning, can't win.  He has proven his ability to win, state after state, winning the most delegates, the most states and the popular vote.  Where is your evidence of his inability to win, other than Clinton's words?

      •  Never know. (0+ / 0-)

        A million hits on youtube in half a day is really damn impressive though (there's another upload with a quarter million). It's already passed his Ebenezer church speech by 300K and is getting up into 'Leave Brittney Alone' territory.

        I wouldn't be too quick to discount the traffic. DKos might generate 50K hits, tops, and this is a big community.

        -6.00, -7.03
        Obama '08

        by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:19:38 PM PDT

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    •  4 Million watch Bill-O (0+ / 0-)

      I am Dyslexic, it is a battle (which I often lose) to write without error. Thanks in advance for putting up with my mistakes

      by jmorton on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:39:29 PM PDT

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  •  Here You Come Again. (1+ / 0-)
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    dadanation

    I'm sorry I overreacted. Really.

    by turnover on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:47:42 PM PDT

  •  No one saw the "historic" speech that Obama gave (8+ / 0-)

    What I'm trying to figure out is whether "no one" means because you didn't see it "no one" did, or whether the hundreds of posters here today sharing their reactions are "no one"s because they disagree with you. Can I be a someone too? Or is there only room for one in that universe?

    Sit down and read. Educate yourself for the struggle to come. Mary Harris "Mother" Jones

    by DaNang65 on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:48:06 PM PDT

  •  My "average voter" wingnutish co-worker (18+ / 0-)

    saw Obama's speech starting today at around 4am our time,
    skipped his jog, came into work and said, "It's the best speech
    I've ever seen any politician give in my life."

    And proceeded to email it to all his buddies (most of whom send
    him their daily Faux News links), and recommend it all day to
    everyone.

    All we have that makes it tolerable is each other. (YetiMonk)

    by begone on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:49:24 PM PDT

  •  Over 220,000 views on HuffPo, over 200,000 on (10+ / 0-)

    YouTube, and those are only two of the multitude of sites that have it available.

    Oh, and Obama has added another 50,000 new donors in the past 24 hours.

  •  Sen. Obama noted that you can stay mired in (5+ / 0-)

    past divisions and not change a darn thing.

    Or, you can help change things.

    So, you apparently support keeping things more or less as they are.  Good luck with that.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:50:40 PM PDT

  •  idiot (1+ / 0-)
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    Into The Stars

    All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

    by SeanF on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:51:03 PM PDT

  •  FEAR, ROVE, DAMAGE (2+ / 0-)
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    highacidity, jenontheshore

    Please tell how to think, why I should fear everything.  Because, you seriously haven't done it enough to change my mind about Barack Obama up until now.  So how many hours did you canvass today?  How many strangers did you meet today to talk Hillary with?  None is my guess.

    It's a lot harder to be a jerk to people face to face then it is to make fun of their commitment, emotions and their hopes on the Internet, isn't it?  Thanks, once again, for waiting until the late hours to post your opinions on how people should feel and become cripple with fear.  

  •  He/she does have a semi-point, almost. (0+ / 0-)

    Most who followed the entire speech were probably already supporters.

    Most of the networks did take the opportunity to play about as much Wright as they did the speech from what I saw.  

    Hopefully, the discussion of the speech will get enough people to inquire about it (buzz).

    •  That is rather doubful (2+ / 0-)
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      millions of people probably watched this

      Look, it's really important to just go with your own feelings about this rather than let anyone else influence your opinion, and that would include the opinion of this diarist.

      I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere ~ Thomas Jefferson

      by valadon on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:18:08 PM PDT

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  •  My local conservative talk radio (6+ / 0-)

    station covered the whole thing. I heard most of it taking my kid to school.

    And perhaps you've never heard of youtube. I think it'll get more play than you realize.

    But it was a call to action for us. Obama has millions of supporters and we need to take that speech outside of this community. We can't have a national discussion on race if Obama is doing all the work.

    -6.00, -7.03
    Obama '08

    by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:07:16 PM PDT

  •  This diary reads like sour grapes (4+ / 0-)
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    MJB, gnat, valadon, pgm 01

    It's only March and you're ready to throw in the towel because your candidate isn't going to be nominated.  Whose side are you on?

    •  exactly (5+ / 0-)

      no more fucking concern: whether it's trollish concern or legitimate concern, the end result is the same: endless energy wasted worrying about Obama's "electability." At a certain point one must just support the candidate, do the right thing, and hope for the best. We're now at that point.  Otherwise it just becomes a maddening bunch of second guessing and chicken littles.

  •  damn, you really don't get it do you? (2+ / 0-)
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    pgm 01, Into The Stars

    This speech was huge, probably the defining point in the campaign. And because you can't see how it helped you assume nobody else could see?

  •  What was all very predictable? That the country (2+ / 0-)
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    Tanya, pgm 01

    is more racist than we thought? Nah. It's less racist than I thought.

    Wasn't vetted? Not sure what that means. You mean that we should act like children because some working class whites and Reagan democrats do? That'll get us far!

    The most important part of "progressive" is progress. There's no progress by electing the same machine candidates over and over again.

  •  Simple ideas (2+ / 0-)
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    Tanya, pgm 01

    Racism is a crock. There are a lot of nutty black preachers out there. Obama sounds like a smart and reasonable guy--not a kook.

    If these messages seep through, Obama's speech will have done its work.    

  •  But Drudge ran the whole text (2+ / 0-)
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    pgm 01, jenontheshore

    Seriously: I'm probably as harried as you are, and I hate using You Tube because it always stops on my computer. I haven't seen more than about 5 minutes of the debates. But I read all of Obama's speech.

    I recommended your diary because I hit the button before I got to the end of it, and I still think it's cool if HRC diaries are here. But Obama is not that messed up.

  •  People will be talking about it for weeks. (2+ / 0-)
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    Al Rodgers, humphrey

    Word of mouth works you know.

    As for your choice:

    I voted for the lady who had the house burn down around her, and then rose from the ashes with a plan to make them very sorry they ever messed with her.

    So, you voted for Angela Lansbury's character in Manchurian Candidate?

  •  the lady is currently making ALL of us sorry that (1+ / 0-)
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    mrchumchum

    anyone ever messed with her.

    i can't disagree with your fundamental claim, which is that this speech, dramatic and persuasive though it was, fell pretty much on deaf ears. i think it was a mistake for obama not to give it during the evening hours, when it might have gotten more coverage.

    but none of that changes the reality that HRC has gone mad-dog on the democratic party -- a party over whose almost utter demise she cheerfully helped to preside. you voted for her. you're not leaving. good for you. just don't hang all your hopes on her winning, because the only way she possibly can win at this point is to descend into a politics so depraved it will make Karl Rove look like a boy scout. is it really worth it to you?

    I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

    by UntimelyRippd on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:34:16 PM PDT

  •  I started to write something in response to this (0+ / 0-)

    But then thought better of it.

    This is the same old anti-Obama tripe being peddled here for reasons that extend beyond my comprehension, unless it's to shill for John McCain.

    "......" -- Harpo Marx

    by BobzCat on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00:55 AM PDT

  •  You're either a wuss or a troll. (0+ / 0-)

    Either way your premise sounds familiar to some trolls' I know...I'm starting to love you guys, the concern is so cute.

  •  I just watched the speech (1+ / 0-)
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    pgm 01

    and if this is what you really think about it, you are either a troll or seriously deluded.

    Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

    by bythesea on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 12:52:41 AM PDT

  •  a friend emailed me the speech (4+ / 0-)

    right out of the blue, not knowing at all that i was for obama. in fact, we haven't written each other in nearly a year, and haven't talked politics since high school.

    and yet here she was writing about how excellent this speech was, and how it moved her, and how we've never had such an open and thoughtful discussion of race in national politics. totally out of the blue.

    i found it noteworthy, at any rate.

    surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

    by wu ming on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:15:00 AM PDT

    •  Presidential... (1+ / 0-)
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      Bensdad

      Talk about the house burning around you...  If this isn't a phoenix rising from the ashes...

      You make a valid point.  Will anyone hear this message?  

      My question is... are you capable of separating the message from the man and challenging your friends, loved ones and candidate of choice to discuss matters in such depth?  

      By all means I understand that Barack Hussein Obama is a blank slate that was forced into a corner. However, when necessary, he took a subject as complex as "race in America" and was able to convey a message to the masses with depth and candor OVER A WEEKEND.

      Let's wait a week, month, year or decade before we decide if this message has any resonance.  

      Why not take one night off from belittling Obama and champion someone who can communicate your democratic causes of pro-life, anti-war, education, infrastructure, national security and HUMAN rights?
       

  •  Obama right or wrong (0+ / 0-)

    at this point it doesn't matter if we win one election in this troubled country;

    the Democratic party will live or die with Obama because the racism that has taken on new disguises since the 60s must be forced into the light. Let us see their ugly visages plainly so that all the falderal of the punditocracy can be shown for what it is; fiddling while Rome burns!

  •  Jackals? (0+ / 0-)

    Take your broad brush and shove it.  

    "I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth." - Molly Ivins

    by littlesky on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 03:49:24 AM PDT

  •  Dear Bensdad, (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Bensdad

    Senator Obama is preaching to the choir, but you are preaching to the asylum. Please reserve the gratuitous logic and reason for an appropriate venue.

  •  Too bad no one watches the news (0+ / 0-)

    or reads newspapers.

    "2009" The end of an error

    by sheddhead on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 04:43:47 AM PDT

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