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Via Atrios, House Republicans are trying to push a discharge petition on the Senate's Cheney/Rockefeller FISA bill, even after a strong majority passed a much better bill last month.

But their targets, the Blue Dogs aren't biting:

"I am not going to sign it," said Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Fla.) a member of the Blue Dogs. "I just don’t think it is necessary."

Fellow Blue Dog Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-N.Y.) agreed with Mahoney, saying he would not subvert the rules process by signing the petition.

"I like the House version of FISA better than the Senate bill anyway," added Arcuri.

Here's the best part of the story:

"If they were smart, all of the Blue Dogs would sign it," said one House Republican leadership aide. "This petition shows separation from Speaker [Pelosi] who’s toxic in their districts and would be the right thing for our national security."

Right, Republican leadership is only looking out for those Blue Dogs, because this is the most importantest issue ever out in their districts. Just like it was for Bill Foster in Hastert's district. We all know what Republican leaders really think about this:

"Republicans have dedicated significant time and resources in engaging regional and local media, editorial boards, and talk radio over the break," said Kevin Smith, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner , R-Ohio. "We’re going to hold every Democrat accountable for their irresponsible actions on this bill, and we will ramp up the pressure until they do the right thing and pass the bipartisan Senate bill. In the end, we believe they will cave."

The Republicans are going to keep hammering this. They've resurrected the deceptive, fear-mongering Defense of Democracy ads, those ads they ran against Arcuri, Mahoney and a handful of other Freshman Dems.

As you have time today, counterbalance those attacks by calling the targeted Dems and the Blue Dogs who stayed with the majority to thank them for continuing to stand up to the Republicans and Bush. They are protecting the Constitution and their constituents instead of AT&T. And call the Dems who voted with the Republicans on the House version of the bill, and tell them to stop doing the Republicans' dirty work. Contact information below the fold.

The targeted Dems:

  • Jason Altmire (PA-04), Phone:  (202) 225-2565, Fax: (202) 226-2274
  • Mike Arcuri (NY-24), Phone:  (202) 225-3665, Fax: (202) 225-1891
  • Nancy Boyda (KS-02), Phone:  (202) 225-6601, Fax: (202) 225-7986
  • Joe Courtney (CT-02), Phone:  (202) 225-2076, Fax: (202) 225-4977
  • Joe Donnelly (IN-02), Phone:  (202) 225-3915, Fax: (202) 225-6798
  • Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-08), Phone:  (202) 225-2542, Fax: (202) 225-0378
  • Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20), Phone:  (202) 225-5614, Fax: (202) 225-1168
  • Paul Hodes (NH-02), Phone:  (202) 225-5206, Fax: (202) 225-2946
  • Steve Kagen (WI-08), Phone:  (202) 225-5665, Fax: (202) 225-5729
  • Ron Klein (FL-22), Phone:  (202) 225-3026, Fax: (202) 225-8398
  • Tim Mahoney (FL-16), Phone:  (202) 225-5792, Fax: (202) 225-3132
  • Jerry McNerney (CA-11), Phone:  (202) 225-1947, Fax: (202) 225-4060
  • Harry Mitchell (AZ-05), Phone:  (202) 225-2190, Fax: (202) 225-3263
  • Christopher Murphy (CT-05), Phone:  (202) 225-4476, Fax: (202) 225-5933
  • Carol Shea-Porter (NH-01), Phone:  (202) 225-5456, Fax: (202) 225-5822
  • Tim Walz (MN-01), Phone:  (202) 225-2472, Fax: (202) 225-3433

The Blue Dogs who supported the House's FISA bill:

  • Rep. Leonard L. Boswell, D-Iowa -- Phone: (202) 225-3806, Fax: (202) 225-5608
  • Rep. Marion Berry, D-Ark. -- Phone: (202) 225-4076, Fax: (202) 225-5602
  • Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark. -- Phone: (202) 225-3772, Fax: (202) 225-1314
  • Rep. Earl Pomeroy, D-N.D. -- Phone: (202) 225-2611, Fax: (202) 226-0893
  • Rep. Melissa Bean, D-Ill. -- Phone: (202) 225-3711, Fax: (202) 225-7830
  • Rep. John Barrow, D-Ga. -- Phone: (202) 225-2823, Fax: (202) 225-3377
  • Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Fla. -- Phone: (202) 225-5235, Fax: (202) 225-5615
  • Rep. Joe Baca, D-Calif. -- Phone: (202) 225-6161, Fax: (202) 225-8671
  • Rep. John Tanner, D-Tenn. -- Phone: (202) 225-4714, Fax: (202) 225-1765
  • Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah -- Phone: (202) 225-3011, Fax: (202) 225-5638
  • Rep. Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind. -- Phone: (202) 225-4636, Fax: (202) 225-3284
  • Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La. -- Phone: (202) 225-4031, Fax: (202) 226-3944
  • Rep. Dennis Moore, D-Kan. -- Phone: (202) 225-2865, Fax: (202) 225-2807
  • Rep. Zack Space, D-Ohio -- Phone: (202) 225-6265, Fax: (202) 225-3394

The Blue Dogs who were with the Republicans:

  • Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla. -- Phone: (202) 225-2701, Fax: (202) 225-3038
  • Rep. Christopher Carney, D-Pa. -- Phone: (202) 225-3731, Fax: (202) 225-9594
  • Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn. -- Phone: (202) 225-4311, Fax: (202) 226-1035
  • Rep. Lincoln Davis, D-Tenn. -- Phone: (202) 225-6831, Fax: (202) 226-5172
  • Rep. Tim Holden, D-Pa. -- Phone: (202) 225-5546, Fax: (202) 226-0996
  • Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C. -- Phone: (202) 225-6401, Fax: (202) 226-6422

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:12 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  About damn time.... (12+ / 0-)

    One of the things that has bugged me for years is Republicans telling Democrats what they should do.  What bugs me even more is how often they listen to this stupid advice.  Nice to see this trend changing at least a bit.

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unkown

    by skywaker9 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:13:17 PM PDT

    •  Terri Schiavo. (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      skywaker9, MikeTheLiberal, MI Sooner, plok

      Thank God that happened on a congressional recess. Otherwise I guarentee that a whole bunch of Democrats would have signed on to that travesty.

      •  I'm driven by Schiavo, too (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        MikeTheLiberal

        I don't consider it seperate from FISA or any other privacy issue. I talk about Schiavo and Domestic Surveillance to every Republican I know.

        Lately I have been using the FDLS compound break-in in Texas as an example of unchecked federal powers. All people are interested in this. (The witness that promted the break-in was a prank). Now while I strongly disagree with the FDLS lifestyle I feel the methods used to infiltrate were unconstitututional.

        Anyhoo...

    •  because they are all "friends" (5+ / 0-)

      just like Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) who could not possibly speak ill of her friends.

      PS Dems need new friends.

    •  it's the mushy middle problem (5+ / 0-)

      kowtowing to the least interested common denominator, the folks who can be easily persuaded because most of the time they've got their heads up their....i mean, in the sand....that's why attacks like these are effective for the Republicans....USUALLY.

      Maybe its due to how badly Bush is doing in the pols, maybe its due to the extended primary season - I mean, this race has essentially been going on since the day after the November 2006 elections - but the people in that mushy middle may be a little better aware of what's going on, and as such, shrill Republicans whines aren't the only thing penetrating their fog. Reality may be seeping in, too....

      Or am I only dreaming?

    •  National Security is (5+ / 0-)

      the only thing the Republicans have to sell this time around what with the economy in the tank, the housing market in the tank, 50,000 foreclosures each week, unemployment rising, war going badly, ice caps melting, gas at $3.60 and rising, food prices going through the roof, you can add your own Republican-caused fiasco to this list.

      So the Republicans are ratcheting up the fear.  Nuclear reactors in Syria.  Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran.  North Korea.  FISA - we can't watch them because the Congress won't let us break the law.  By the way, we can't watch you because those damn Democrats won't let us break the law.

      Let's try to scare some people!  Maybe they won't notice the war, or the economy, or the corruption.

      Hey Republicans, it ain't gonna work this time.

      You're selling fear, we Democrats ain't buying, and we are going to tell our friends not to buy either.

      It's a bum deal, being sold by a bunch of bums.

  •  ... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    skywaker9, mattman, MikeTheLiberal

    They are bastards.  Why won't this die?

    "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." -RFK

    by jfarelli on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:13:21 PM PDT

  •  Bring it on, suckas! (6+ / 0-)

    Lose, lose, lose.  That's all FISA will make happen for the Republicans if they want to run on this issue.  Remember illegal immigration?  Didn't work, dit it...

    I want my Two Dollars!

    by Ken in MN on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:15:40 PM PDT

    •  I wonder though, (0+ / 0-)

      if an embellished report or "missed call" will be used to hammer/pressure the Dems to sign it? I mean unless the R's are just wishing this into action, they often have a very unscrupulous plan in mind.

      "Its a grave digger's song, Praising God and State. So the Nation can live, So we all can remain as cattle. They demand a sacrifice..." -Flipper

      by Skid on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:53:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'll contact my Rep, Paul Hodes, (6+ / 0-)

    but there isn't a snowball's chance in hell he'll sign a discharge petition.  The Republicans are idiots.  This isn't a wedge issue; frankly, Americans for the most part don't even understand the issue.  Why they think they can gin up fear and doom on this is beyond me.

    "Success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives." --George W Bush, May 2, 2007

    by mspicata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:16:49 PM PDT

    •  The aide at Hodes' office (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      meg, Simplify, shiobhan, MikeTheLiberal

      chuckled along with me.  No worries about this vote.

      You know, on reflection, I'm happy that the GOP is pushing so hard on this.  It will keep their base happy -- and further and further out of touch with the mainstream.  This is what did the Whigs in.  Go GOP!

      "Success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives." --George W Bush, May 2, 2007

      by mspicata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:21:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Is that a spine I'm detecting? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, Amayupta yo, MikeTheLiberal

    Finally!

  •  I hope the Reps know something we don't know, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, MikeTheLiberal

    because they're pushing this issue as though they have something to fear.  Do they really foresee some kind of accountability, any kind of accountability, coming down the road?  This is certainly early days, but I hope we eventually see prosecutions.

    Just another piece of toast in the Pebbles commercial.

    by geomoo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:17:59 PM PDT

  •  no typos on the front page! (9+ / 0-)

    But they're targets,

    We have wasted history like a bunch of drunks shooting dice in the men's crapper of the local bar. --Charles Bukowski, Notes of a Dirty Old Man

    by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:18:24 PM PDT

  •  Yep, the Democrats are (9+ / 0-)

    going to get hammered for not protecting the war criminals and telecoms while the Republicans deep six equal pay laws and S-CHIP.  I can see the campaign ads in my pointy little head.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:18:37 PM PDT

  •  Why blue dogs are better than Republicans (9+ / 0-)

    Face it:

    In a conservative or Republican area, you're not likely to get a Democrat you really like.  A Blue Dog may get you really angry, but is going to vote with Democrats a whole lot more than any Republican will.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:18:52 PM PDT

    •  it's hard, but sometimes we need to remember (3+ / 0-)
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      shiobhan, MikeTheLiberal, dinotrac

      Perfection is the enemy of progress.

      Hillary Clinton: I woulda won already if Democrats were Republicans.

      by MingPicket on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:19:49 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  just curious, what's your opinion of Lieberman? (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MikeTheLiberal

      not trying to be antagonistic here, I promise...but as pointed out in a FP post earlier today (maybe by Kos) Lieberman is somewhat Blue Dog-ish, voting with our interest on 90 percent of votes.

      His heresies are paramount though, anyone actively working to get a Republican elected President is not a Democrat, flat out, and to pair that with an unceasing warmongering, he's pretty much dead to me. But the profile, otherwise, fits in with these better Blue Dogs than GooPers type of thoughts.

      •  Lieberman has an additional problem (3+ / 0-)
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        Pompatus, dinotrac, eco d

        The main problem is the back-stabbing thing you mention, but there's also the issue that he's from freakin' Connecticut and if he wasn't there we could do SO much better. Whereas, if a Blue Dog like Gene Taylor wasn't there, could we get someone better in Mississippi-4? Maybe but not bloody likely. It would probably be either a Republican or another conservative Democrat. With Lieberman, sure he might be better than a Republican, but a Republican isn't going to win that seat anyway.

        I'd personally have a lot more patience with Lieberman if he was a senator from Utah and I knew darn well he was the best we were ever going to get in that seat.  :-)

  •  I love the quote (4+ / 0-)

    "This petition shows separation from Speaker [Pelosi] who’s toxic in their districts and would be the right thing for our national security."

    That cracks me up because it's oh so Republican.

    1.  Concern trolling to the hilt
    1.  They mention first and foremost what will get the poor Blue Dogs re-elected (as staying in power is always what rethugs think of first)
    1.  Only as an afterthought do they mention why voting this way might be good for the American people.

    ...honor is a harder master than the law. It cannot compromise for less than 100 cents on the dollar and its debts never outlaw. - Mark Twain, a Biography

    by billd on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:23:23 PM PDT

  •  Editorial (3+ / 0-)

    But they're targets, the Blue Dogs aren't biting:

    This should read:


    But their targets, the Blue Dogs aren't biting:

    Thanks.

  •  Mike McConnel (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, MikeTheLiberal, JML9999, JeffW

    Said when the PAA expired that we were now at greater risk and the risk would continue to increase steadily the longer we went without a bill. Well, it's been what, two months now? That's a pretty big chunk of time. Maybe Democrats should ask what Republicans are even doing out and about in broad daylight writing petitions and such. Shouldn't they be huddled together in a cellar eating rations of dried cereal or something?

  •  Good for Tim Mahoney! (6+ / 0-)

    He knows they are gunning for him big time in Fl-16. And he just showed why every race in every election matters.

    We need to reward Tim at his ActBlue page, while remembering that there are other downticket elections coming up that need this kind of support: Gilda Reed faces the worst kind of Bush-enabling Republican on May 3rd, can you help her here?

  •  You know- in a twisted sort of way I am sure that (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    MikeTheLiberal

    the Republicans really want to keep the Blue Dogs around.  That organization within the caucus is a fault line.  Now- the Republicans would definitely like to have a higher number of seats within the chamber, but which is better: to have a reliable vote, or a sitting member of the opposition who you are able to use as an example of bipartisanship (in the Norquist-date-rape manner)?

    I think the Blue Dogs are far more destructive to the Democratic party than ten Republican representatives ever could be.  If there were an analogous Republican heresy, I know I'd probably wish them to stay around too.

    "And we will remember this when we are old and ancient, though the specifics might be vague..."- The Decemberists, "July, July"

    by electricgrendel on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:27:20 PM PDT

    •  I can't agree (3+ / 0-)

      We need Blue Dogs in Districts we couldn't win otherwise.  Notice that that's only some of the Blue Dog caucus up above.  The only California Blue Dog on that list up above in McNerney because his seat isn't entirely secure.  Loretta Sanchez or Mike Thompson in safe seats would and have told them to go screw.  Notice the most conservative Blue Dog of all Gene Taylor of MS-04 isn't on those lists--Gene's been a fighter against immunity right along.

    •  Not especially (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      watercarrier4diogenes

      If there were an analogous Republican heresy, I know I'd probably wish them to stay around too

      We attacked the northeastern moderate Repubs with great gusto in '06, and took a heap of them out. We're going to attack the survivors again this year, with presumably equal glee.

      The Republicans would gladly defeat Blue Dogs if they could. If they pretend otherwise, it's just the fox saying the grapes are sour. :-)

  •  Civics Lesson Needed! (2+ / 0-)
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    Rolfyboy6, army193

    What is a "discharge petition"?

    "$hit kickers voted twice for a retard that they wanted to have a beer with, and the rest of us have to suffer the consequences!" Bill Maher

    by CityLightsLover on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:30:30 PM PDT

  •  The Blue Dogs forgot to cave? (4+ / 0-)

    Republicans must be shitting their pants.

    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

    by jfern on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:32:57 PM PDT

  •  And, they're after the Democrats in the House... (0+ / 0-)

    If you check out my diary, Calling Shenanigans, you'll "learn" how the Democrats in Congress are causing all your woes.  

    It's actually the GOP is out there setting up the citizenry to vote against the Democrats in Congress, making it easier for business interests to write laws and get the immunity they want.

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:36:26 PM PDT

  •  just talked to Luke at Rep. Barrow's (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, MikeTheLiberal

    office and he said I should know that Barrow will be supporting the Senate bill too.  Okey dokey then.

  •  Glad to see Dems (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, MikeTheLiberal

    holding strong.  I was a bit worried when I diaried about the discharge petition earlier.

    This comment has been crossposted at AT&T: 611 Folsom St, San Francisco, CA - Room 641A.

    by ManahManah on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:37:56 PM PDT

  •  Do not forget this important point: (6+ / 0-)

    [C]ounterbalance those attacks by calling the targeted Dems and the Blue Dogs who stayed with the majority to thank them for continuing to stand up to the Republicans and Bush.

    The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose. - Frederick Douglass

    by Meteor Blades on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:48:12 PM PDT

  •  Does anyone have a linky? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, MikeTheLiberal

    To the current signatories of the discharge petition?  It is supposed to be a transparent process now (wonder of all wonders, thanks to Rep. Inhofe in 1993!) so we can see what is actually going on.

    Need something new here...
    This Space for Rent! (Keith? Your name could be here!)
    (-4.88, -4.15)

    by DrSpalding on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:51:47 PM PDT

  •  I contacted Sheriff Ellsworth, IN-08 (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, MikeTheLiberal, rhutcheson

    To thank him for sticking to the House version. It's consistent with his background that he would. He was in law enforcement, and I'm sure he takes a dim view of maneuvres to whisk law-breaking off the table before it's even been investigated.

    A Republican is a person who says we need to rebuild Iraq but not New Orleans. - Temple Stark

    by Christopher Walker on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:53:06 PM PDT

  •  They aren't biting because WE THE PEOPLE, pulled (0+ / 0-)

    on the chain...keep up with the faxes, phone calls and letters people!
    The Blue dogs and others want so badly to vote for telecoms immunity, they want to continue to receive those $$campaign contributions, they want us to just go away and let them do what they have always done which is: whatever big business tells them to do......the ONLY reason they aren't is because of the American people commanding, "sit, stay"
    Thank you mcjoan...keep it in the spotlight....they will not stop trying to get what they want.

    At the core of the human spirit there is a voice stronger than violence and fear - S. donna ortiz

    by Rachel Griffiths on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:57:56 PM PDT

  •  In the end, we believe they will cave. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LearningCurve

    In the end, we believe they will cave.
    In the end, we believe they will cave.
    In the end, we believe they will cave.
    In the end, we believe they will cave.
    In the end, we believe they will cave.

    A Republican lala land, where Compromise is spelt "mywayorthehighway", and privatization of the army is saving the taxpayers money.

  •  So far Mike Ross, who's not even my (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pompatus, shiobhan

    rep (mine is rubberstamp boozman) is holding strong.  His staff says they appreciate my calls (and my piddling $10 for his campaign) and keep telling me he's with us on this.

  •  Shuler's office was very receptive, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, rhutcheson

    but he's running unopposed in the primary May 6th, and his constituents are stupidly watching FOX News and calling his office in fear of attacks that won't be monitored.  

    He simply hasn't spent the money he needs to get the word out that telco immunity is merely BushCo immunity, by extension, and we are as safe now as we were before.

    It is outrageous that our great First Amendment permits a Murdoch to pervert the truth, twisting it into meaningless drivel and lies.  The Mighty Wurlitzer drones on.

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Mohandas Gandhi

    by ezdidit on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:11:57 PM PDT

  •  Faxed all with appropriate (0+ / 0-)

    comments.

    -5.59-6.25 "I took an oath to uphold the president." Sara Taylor

    by martik on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:29:47 PM PDT

  •  Go Mark Arcuri, my new NY-24 Rep! (0+ / 0-)

    He's a moderate in a moderate, formerly Red district...I'm glad he's not going for this FISA baloney.

    And frankly, I think the GOP petition on this bill would have absolutely no traction in this district. A moderate northeastern district just isn't going to hold anybody accountable for not buying into this Republican hogwash. I expect him to coast to re-election to a second term in 2008 anyway, which will likely make him a long term incumbent. Folks in this district aren't going to obsess about the details if they basically like you.

    HE's right not to worry about this...He's not a star like neighboring new Dem Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20), but I'm glad he's my Congressman.

  •  The further we get from the death of PAA (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, rhutcheson

    and the closer we get to fall elections, the more the recirculation of the rethug scare tactics on this are going to look like parody. If the dems can hold strong on this by the time the general comes around we'll be able to play the exact same Def of Democracy ad for our side simply as a way of pointing out how wrong the rethugs are.

    Guil: So there you are. Ros: Stark raving sane. - T. Stoppard, Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead

    by eco d on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:59:04 PM PDT

  •  Hillary's Rules of Procedure(tm) trumps all (0+ / 0-)
    Rule 1 of which states, "It's her turn." All other rules flow from that.

    Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 03:05:03 PM PDT

  •  I called Kagan's office just now. The (0+ / 0-)

    person who answered thanked me, but didn't ask for contact information (I'm not in his district) so I don't know how seriously my support will be taken.

  •  I sent Tim Walz a fax (1+ / 0-)
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    AbsurdEyes

    first because I watched him on C-SPAN last night and his presentation was excellent. I really was impressed with him and wanted to let him know. And I gently reminded him of FISA, too.

    utahgirl

  •  This FISA thing (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    AbsurdEyes, JeffW

    needs to be tabled until Bush is out of office.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

    by rclendan on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:52:42 PM PDT

  •  We need an anti FISA change Ad (0+ / 0-)

    There needs to be an Advertisement that makes republicans fume.

    It should attack the republicans as supporting criminals, it should link them to J. Edgar Hoover and the damage that he did the the US.

    They attack and the progressives don't respond. It is time to respond in the same places they attack. Yes, it is nice that Olbermann responded but that will not get to the clinton supporters and the blue dog supporters.

    Maybe there is a good advertisement that attacks. Does anybody have a link?

  •  will call tonight... good going mcjoan, et al! (0+ / 0-)
  •  blue dogs are really talk radio dogs (0+ / 0-)

    "Republicans have dedicated significant time and resources in engaging regional and local media, editorial boards, and talk radio over the break," said Kevin Smith

    its the GOP's talk radio monopoly's uncontested repetition to 50-70MIL all over the country 24/7 that really makes the difference.   it forms a slime that covers all other media.

  •  CCIA opposes retroactive immunity ::: (0+ / 0-)

    Evidently, Heath Shuler never got a copy of this letter:

    February 29, 2008
    Via Facsimile
    To the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives:
    The Computer & Communications Industry Association CCIA) strongly opposes S. 2248, the "FISA Amendments Act of 2007," as passed by the Senate on February 12, 2008. CCIA believes that this bill should not provide retroactive immunity to corporations that may have participated in violations of federal law. CCIA represents an industry that is called upon for cooperation and assistance in law enforcement. To act with speed in times of crisis, our industry needs clear rules, not vague promises that the U.S. Government can be relied upon to paper over Constitutional transgressions after the fact. !!

    CCIA dismisses with contempt the manufactured hysteria that industry will not aid the United States Government when the law is clear. As a representative of industry, I find that suggestion insulting. To imply that our industry would refuse assistance under established law is an affront to the civic integrity of businesses that have consistently cooperated unquestioningly with legal requests for information. This also conflates the separate questions of blanket retroactive immunity for violations of law, and prospective immunity, the latter of which we strongly support.

    Therefore, CCIA urges you to reject S. 2248. America will be safer if the lines are bright. The perpetual promise of bestowing amnesty for any and all misdeeds committed in the name of security will condemn us to the uncertainty and dubious legalities of the past. Let that not be our future as well.

    Sincerely,
    Edward J. Black
    President & CEO
    Computer & Communications Industry Association

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Mohandas Gandhi

    by ezdidit on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:00:34 PM PDT

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