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So I choose to take a break from all the Obama mania sweeping around here and talk about something almost everybody agrees is elitist, an Apple product.

Why ? Well people have have just thought about it that way for years. They are made for the hippies, the liberals etc., but the truth is that is used by most media companies, even RushRush Limbaugh, go figure.

What Apple Products do I own ?

I have a airport express with a 500 GB HD, a Time-capsule, a macbook and a 17In iMac to go with the 3 iPhones in the family, a 80 GB iPod, a 8 GB iPOD nano and a 160 GB Classic.

Why do I like Apple products ?

They just work !!! Way underrated in my opinion I think. My laptop boots up in like 30 sec or less since the day I bought it, the software is miles over anything I have had in the Windows world, innovative and different but easy to learn and use. No anti-virus software to install, very few Trojans and a pleasure to use.

Do I mind paying extra for that that ?

There is a misconception that Apple products cost more then the competition but the truth of the matter is if you are comparing apples to apples sometimes the Apple prices are a lot less then the others. The Windows market confuses you with rock bottom prices with outdated specs and price breaks and features that might appeal to your geek side but do not make you productive or useful. Ex: Macbook Air v/s Eepc. $1800 v/s $400.

The unsaid things, or things that you figured you would never use

The software that was already available on the the iMac, ready to use. iPhoto, iMovie, Time-machine for backups  etc that are more afterthoughts when buy a Windows machine. It is worth hundreds of $s for all the cool software that comes preloaded. I have something Comic preloaded, where I can create comic books and my 10 year daughter just loves it and uses it to create comic books. Our whole family have created slideshows, movies and my sweet little 10 year old comic-books that I pretend are funny.

My life and how Apple fits into it ?

I am a consultant and all of my money comes from the windows world. That's why I own a Mac with both VMWare and Parallels virtualization software which allows me to run the OS X leopard and Windows XP all at the same time.

My honest no geek opinion is that the Mac is a lot better for most people because it just works and is simple and there are less maintenance problems with it. The Apple products just rock not because they are appreciated by geeks with feature requirements but by common people who appreciate the simplicity and use of the devices. I apologize because I am a geek but the truth is that features are a waste of time if you do not use them but are more of talking points. I use my iPhone to the fullest, I love it and would not see life without it. I also use other Apple products and see it the same way. But to each of our own, do yourself a favor and buy an Apple product and use it, You are going to love how much they really care about your experience.

Originally posted to tintinspry on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:35 PM PDT.

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  •  How much did you get paid to write this? (5+ / 0-)

    May this find you in good health and good spirits, and if you're lucky, under the influence of the latter.

    by Dapremonster on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:39:20 PM PDT

  •  you are either in possession (6+ / 0-)

    of a check for this or very very sad and need to get out more.

    May 6th 2008: IN Insignificance Day

    by stevej on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:43:44 PM PDT

  •  Really, I had no idea we had commercials (3+ / 0-)

    I certainly come here about things I should buy...

    NetrootNews coming soon!

    by ksh01 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:43:45 PM PDT

  •  My daughter loves her Apple Computer (9+ / 0-)

    and tells me next one I have to get one. I agree but have to talk the husband into it.

  •  Recced because I'm sick of the (18+ / 0-)

    Candidate diaries, and I am also  a Macaddict. I do number crunchy goodness, so I used to have two machines, two platforms. Now that I can run XP I have only one and it is awesome. vI can flip between the systems and cut and paste between open programs on either platform. Very cool. And it does "just work."

    •  We have been with Apple since 1978 (7+ / 0-)

      My Xhusband was one of the first developers from outside the company to sign on. Honestly I could have any computer I wanted thru the years and I have stayed with Apple. I still have an Apple IIE that is perfectly capable of running a small business, thats what it was doing before it was retired. AND it can get on the internet too.

      I still use my original Mac in the kitchen for recipes. Speaking of the Mac when it came out I was right there at Computerland when they opened to give it a try. There was really no software for it yet, other than the primitive draw program, spreadsheet and word processor bundled with it. I played with it all day long and when they closed at 8PM, I bought it.  I had really fallen in love with it. From the smiling Mac face when I turned it on to the easy natural way of using it.

      That is 25 years and 16 Macs later. Every time I get a new one, it is just like my first one in a new body with more capabilities, but still there is the essence of the machine that got to me that day at Computerland. It is my bud, my work friend, my pal, that has never changed in 25 years.

      A while back I bought a used G5 quad with problems and a serial number in the group Apple had extended the service for because of processor issues. It was very broken and I took it into the Apple store here and they looked it over. It was WAY off waranty and I wasn't the first owner, but because of the extended service on it and because they couldn't fix it, Apple replaced it.  I got my new one the same day they announced the upgrade of their desktops and they sent me to my surprised an upgraded top of the line it doesn't get any better than this computer. They could have sent me the previous model I still would have been thrilled to death and then some, but they didn't, they waited and sent me the most current.
      My oldest son bought the original iMac when it came out and the poor thing had issues big time. Apple took it back and sent him the Grape iMac he had requested as a replacement, the current model assembled in Cupertino for him and the build crew autographed the inside of the case for him. It arrived the morning of his birthday, not a bad thing either and it has a customer statisfaction warranty which means for as long as Chris owns the computer Apple will fix it for free.

      What is not to love about the company and its products.

      •  Wow, you beat me by 10 years! (3+ / 0-)
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        I started with the old SE, with the cute little 9-inch B&W screen. Got scared out of my wits playing my first adventure game on it--Uninvited. That thing took me through my M.S. and Ph.D. It worked great until a few years ago when I decided to clean off the 20K hard drive and deleted something essential in the system (my bad). I can't even get it to reload the 6.0.2 system software (which I still have on old 3" floppys). Someday I'll find somebody who can do it. I've still got some of those old games I'd love to play.

        But I've also had a 40K laptop which first got me on the internet, a workplace Performa, two old iMacs (both still work), and finally, I got one of the very first Intel Macs (20" screen), on which I'm typing this! I haven't upgraded to Leopard yet (I'm poor), but Bootcamp is still working just fine. I only use the XP side for games, and haven't even opened Outlook Express (why invite trouble)? And of course, I don't know how to do much with the XP side anyway--and why bother? Works great for games.

        I love this thing. My next step is to upgrade to Leopard and get an plug-in hard drive. I do lots of sound recording and will need extra storage anyway.

        I also have a 4-gig black iPod Nano, which I adore.

        Sure wish I could afford a Powerbook. Sigh.

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        by Fonsia on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:29:24 PM PDT

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    •  I love Bill Gates (4+ / 0-)

      Can you imagine how hard I would have had to work the last 10 years if I didn't have to work on those winders pc's?


      "As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but all together, we make a mighty fist" Watanka Tatanka (Sitting Bull)

      by Tinfoil Hat on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:34:14 PM PDT

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  •  I just made the switch (14+ / 0-)

    From PC, which I firmly believe to stand for "piece-a-crap" to Mac. Two years ago I purchased what I believed to be a top of the line laptop from Alienware (an Area-51 m7700 to be exact). After numerous problems and the general lack of support I would expect to receive from Turkmenistan Air I made the jump to a MacBook Pro. I've never been happier about a computer. Ever.

  •  I'm a recent convert... (8+ / 0-)

    also: in case you missed it... here's a good article re: Apple from the latest Wired --> How Apple Got Everything Right By Doing Everything Wrong

  •  Ipod touch 4 me (5+ / 0-)

    it comes in handy if you are ever in a waiting room.....Hospital waiting rooms are the worst AND the ipod touch will take you away from the drama of a hospital.  

  •  Aw tu kossaks? (3+ / 0-)
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    Not hatin'...really. Just a slight whine because my hubby has a Mac and all I ever hear is how ( use SNL Church Lady voice here) "Superior" all things Apple are ( I DO have an i-Pod). But sigh I have a PC laptop with evil VISTA, and every time my i-Tunes updates it screws up my registry file and makes it look like my DVD/CD driver is missing.

    But not jealous. Much.

  •  I Just Did The Reverse Switch (3+ / 0-)
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    after having only Apple/Mac products since 1987. For me it was a $$$ issue. When my iBook's video card died I priced out a MacBook Pro. $3,500. Sony Vaio laptop with about the same specs. $2,200. There are a few interface/OS issues I still have. But most of the important ones I could replicate in Windows. I run XP, have Vista but why mess with something that works. There are 3-4 applications I miss. But a few new ones I enjoy.

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    by webranding on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:56:40 PM PDT

  •  at this point... (8+ / 0-)

    a good old-fashioned Mac vs PC flame war would be a welcome relief.

    (ps: I've only used Apple products since I went from a televideo w/ 64K of RAM to a Mac Plus. Never looked back. I am a 'user' not a geek, and realized along time ago that the money I spent on buying Apple v. pc was well spent because I haven't spent thousands of hours of my time trying to figure out what the frack went wrong this time on a PC.)

    •  given virtualization software (0+ / 0-)

      the Mac v PC v Linux flamewar doesn't mean a whole lot, I already run Windows over a Linux OS via VMware Server. . . and any time I feel like buying OSX and have a couple of days I want to spend having an ugly installation experience, I can run it via VMware Server, too.

      The reason why the experience is ugly is that one has to bypass the features that Apple uses to lock OSX to Apple hardware.

      My answer to the flamewar is the same as I had back when it started back in the early 90s. . . run the OS that has the apps you need.

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      by alizard on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:09:15 PM PDT

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      •  I've gotta say (5+ / 0-)

        Our IT group at work has a strict "no Macs!" policy.  If I call with a question about our remote access and mention I have a Mac laptop, they say "we don't support that.  We only support Windows."  

        So I fire up Parallels, load Vista inside the Mac OS and get the same failure, and their eyes glaze over and look confused.

        I'm a hard-core computer-building, code-writing, jumper-setting junkie and moving to Apple laptops has done wonders for my productivity.  When I start work, I open the lid and go (no boot up).  When I'm done, I close the lid and go.  

        "It just works" is the popular refrain, but it's much, much deeper than that.  Apple clearly spends a lot of time looking at how people use the computers, so things are (more or less... OS X still has some oddness, though Leopard is almost flawless for most things) where you expect them to be.  The hardest part of switching to a Mac was resisting the urge to fiddle and tinker.  To contradict the usual meme that Apples are BMWs while Windows machines are Fords, it's more that Apples are like a Toyota - reliable, indestructible, and long lasting (a much better allocation of $$).  

        That said, I did build a Hackintosh for fun, and it's been great so far. :)

        •  oooooooh, your analogy fell flat at the end (0+ / 0-)

          If Apple's are Toyota's does that make them bland, over-rated, and quickly losing quality?

          The Iraq war cost another $48,000 in the time it took you to read this sentence. - QT

          by kafkaesque on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:32:34 PM PDT

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          •  Ok, I'll confess (0+ / 0-)

            I haven't owned a Toyota, but my sister does, and my image of them was that they were utterly reliable cars.  If they've begun to lose that reputation, then my metaphor needs to be reworked. :)

            •  I'm a Mac and Toyota person (1+ / 0-)
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              Always hated PCs the first time I used them. Fell in love with Apple first time I used one. They always seem ahead of it -- user communities, quick mail/chat -- way before anyone else.

              Love Mac because technology is not for wimps...and I'm a wimp. So using Mac is easy for me. I usually can figure out what I'm doing wrong quite easily.  

              Also got an IPhone on the first day and love it. In fact, during our Democratic caucus, I was reading off CNN website totals and everyone was gathered around!!

              My family always were big GM fans. Now I have a Toyota Prius and won't look back. A kick to drive (a Mac on wheels?) Plus I get anywhere from 45--48+ mpg average. Last time I filed up was in March!!! Lowest mileage I've gotten is 42 mpg average.  

              Love Macs!  Loving Prius!

              "Some creatures are made to see in the dark." -- Henry David Thoreau

              by Bodhiness on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:21:55 PM PDT

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  •  If you believe (0+ / 0-)

    the sh** in your head go for it.

  •  New Mac convert here (6+ / 0-)

    Just got a Macbook last week.....oh joy!  I'm no longer being constantly attacked by viruses, but I also don't know what the hell I'm doing either, which is NO fun.

    I'm learning bit by bit, and love it already....can't wait 'til it's second nature to me, though.

    There was a "Mac profiling" report on NPR the other day re what the typical Mac user is like: perfectionistic, Starbucks swilling, organic-food buying, teeth-whitening nutjobs.

    What a load of poo.  I'm nobody's perfectionist, and my teeth are mocha-tinged from weekly runs to the Buck.  

    So I don't know WHAT the hell they're talking about.

    We got your No Spin Zone right here, Mr. Murdoch.

    by Mad Mom on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:59:03 PM PDT

  •  From Win32 to Cocoa: a Windows user's... (4+ / 0-)
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    conversion to Mac OS X

    From Win32 to Cocoa: a Windows user's conversion to Mac OS XA hardcore PC user finally jumps ship and discusses how Windows lost its "wow" and Apple gained a customer.

    The truth is that Windows is hampered by 25-year old design decisions. These decisions mean that it's clunky to use and absolutely horrible to write applications for. The applications that people do write are almost universally terrible. They're ugly, they're inconsistent, they're disorganized; there's no finesse, no care lavished on them. Microsoft—surely the company with the greatest interest in making Windows and Windows applications exude quality—is, in fact, one of the worst perpetrators.

    Ars Technica, April 21, 2008

    •  microsoft (1+ / 0-)
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      never engendered excellence in code, they opted for marketing and
      argumentation to win market share

      George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

      by nathguy on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:10:31 PM PDT

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      •  In defense of Microsoft (0+ / 0-)

        Every PC is just a little different. When IBM came out with the PC no one with the exception I believe of Compaq was willing to pay for the licensing to IBM so the PC was born from backwards engineered motherboards. Every PC maker had to put their own spin on things and because of that Windows had to play reasonably well with all the idiosyncrasies. It is an impossible job. Apple is smart in so much as they do as Steve says the whole widget.

        •  That's one of the benefits of an Apple (2+ / 0-)
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          They have no fear of letting old tech go to roll out new tech all in one burst.  Serial ports and ISA cards?  Apple ditched those with the iMac in favor of USB and a sealed case, and everyone cringed at the error.  But it was a huge hit and totally revitalized Apple.

          I swear I'm not a Mac evangelist (I see this thing as a tool), but for my money there is no better, longer lasting laptop than a MacBook Pro (or a MacBook for folks who carry theirs around a lot.. those cases are solid).

          •  I got a new Macbook last summer (1+ / 0-)
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            it gets used by everyone but me, LOL. I am currently using a 2300 small does everything I need it to do and it is so old it didnt' matter when I decorated the case with that great cave painting of the horse. Old laptops are used daily, including two Pismos (500mHz) and the 17 " Alumabook that spent the first half of its life at Apple in Cupertino. I don't get to use that one either.

            •  Heh (3+ / 0-)
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              When I bought this MacBook Pro in January of 2006 (I think?) I did a hand-me-down of the old Powerbook to my niece.  The computer was purchased in 2003, I believe, maybe 2004, and it's still going strong today.  No quirks, no compromises.  The only updates?  More RAM and a new battery.

              My sister's Sony laptop had a dead "i" key 6 months after she bought it, and it will not run without an AC connection regardless of how well the battery works.  It is now a year old.  She's getting a Mac (probably this one) when she finally gives up on the Sony and I upgrade.

              I'm sure some people do hand-me-down with laptops, but I've been really impressed with the lifespan of my macs.  Looking at it another way: $2000 up front gets you a Mac that lasts for 5 years.  $1200 up front gets you a PC that lasts for 2.  The TCO of a Mac is much, much easier on the wallet.

  •  ok, I'll bite (1+ / 0-)
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    Why both VMware Server/OSX AND Parallels? AFAIK, they both do the same job.

    Other than that, I'm running VMware Server/Debian Linux and it runs W98SE (legacy apps, I could upgrade to XP but why bother?) just fine. I've got an Ubuntu VM right next to it.

    For an experienced Linux user, what's the case for installing an OSX VM on VMware Server? (yes, it's possible... just painful) I've got stability and convenience... and my choice of automated installation of 30K or so software packages.

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    by alizard on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:03:53 PM PDT

    •  Linux is outstanding (2+ / 0-)
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      The KDE/Gnome dichotomy is a little odd (and that's without mentioning the fringe desktops), but Linux is a powerful system that is finally a serious contender for average users.  The "practical" distros that don't get so caught up in the Free Software religion are quite good, though they're still lacking in some polish.

      Heh, but what Linux really needs is some high-powered UI help.  Gnome and KDE both have some funny ideas of white space, and Linux still has some peculiar font issues in X.

  •  I started my career (5+ / 0-)
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    supporting Macs back in the early 90's. It paid more than supporting PCs (because few were doing it) and it was the easiest paycheck I ever earned.

    I used Macs as my primary platform for many years, but went to PC because I ended up in the corporate world where no one used a Mac. Today, I'm back on Mac. I still have a couple of PC laptops that run XP, but they're my "spares and loaners" that I never use personally because I have a nice and blazingly fast MacBook Pro. Yes, I paid like $3K for it, but in terms of productivity and ease of use, it's far better than a PC at least for me.

    Would I recommend a Mac for everyone? Not really. If all you do is read e-mail, surf the web, and play a few games or write a letter, then a PC is just fine for your needs. If you want a fast machine you can depend on for day to day productivity, then I highly recommend the Mac.

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    by Cali Techie on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:05:27 PM PDT

  •  Breaking: SD Steve Jobs (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, theran

    to endorse Bara.....

    ICan't type wortha famn.

    by Krum on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:06:33 PM PDT

  •  I am Rich (0+ / 0-)

    and I wanted to try them both out (and I charge my clients). I HAVE 5 CLIENTS, so I decided to use 2 on VMWARE and 3 on Parallels.

  •  I talked my 64 year old father... (5+ / 0-)
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    ....into finally going Mac. A week later he called me (on my fantastic iphone), I answered-"Hello?.....he says...."Mac Rules!"

    I love it. I've been telling him how mac "just works" for years. Now he says that mac "just works".

    I love these products.

    "....damn you Barack-for turning this cynic into a believer and the ideal of the audacity of hope. Damn you Obama!" --Darian Dauchan

    by bradreiman on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:09:43 PM PDT

  •  Ugh (2+ / 0-)
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    As a software developer, I can tell you that Mac's are no walk in the park. Any significant low-level programming is a nightmare. Documentation for the low-level Darwin interfaces is sparse to non-existent on Apple's developer site. They don't work well when networked with linux and Windows machines. Our Macs frequently freeze up and need to be hard-rebooted.

    I got my wife an ipod a couple of years ago, and we had to replace it twice because of bad batteries within the first two months. I was not impressed.

    I am sure macs are fine as consumer machines, and the IPhone does look cool, but in a business environment forget it.

    •  Your experience is the minority... (3+ / 0-)
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      Sorry you've had a bad experience but I can assure you, you are in the minority.

      NY Times Headline NOV 5th: Obama in a landslide!

      by Ianb007 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:33:17 PM PDT

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    •  Disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      I've never seen the freezing issue despite some very strange uses, and I get more done in an hour on my laptop at home than I do on my Dell desktop at work in a whole day.  I understand that Leopard has some weirdness connecting to AD right now, but that'll be fixed.

      And I don't think it's a coincidence that you see a ton of macs at hacker/coder conventions these days.  

      On the other hand, done properly, software development on any platform is no walk in the park. :)  Most of the mission-specific apps we use at work (on Windows, but that's not relevant) technically do everything we need, but they have UI, functionality, and general usability issues out the wazoo because nobody ever asked how the end-users would use the product.  

    •  mac development (1+ / 0-)
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      We do work in 3d computer graphics and medical visualization on Macs.  We used to work on SGIs and then Linux systems.  When OS X became solid (around version 10.2) we started to move to Macs.  

      Porting our stuff was easy, since OS X is a Unix variant with OpenGL.  And it's nice to be able to work on a Unix system and yet have all the niceties of the Mac interface.  Now we can code and do Office stuff on the same system.

  •  long time Mac user here (1+ / 0-)
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    I have an SE (I hear they make good aquariums these days), a Performa 63xx (can't remember which one), a Bondi Blue iMac that I maxed out the RAM on and got to run OS X Tiger, and a 40gb 4th gen iPod that just a couple of weeks ago started showing the sad Mac icon. Not sure what happened to it but it needs help.
    I'll probably get an iPhone this fall to replace my current cell, and I'm going to buy a laptop within the next week or two and am seriously considering getting a MacBook. I'd love the MacBook Pro but can't afford that one. I'll have to settle for a lesser model.
    I had a G4 Cube at work a few years ago along with a Titanium Powerbook. I was very sad to have to give up those beauties when I left that job.
    Oh yeah, I also have an autographed copy of Guy Kawasaki's book "How to Drive Your Competition Crazy" plus some fabulous Apple luggage tags and even an old Apple rainbow color tie tack I found at an antique store.
    But what's really sad is that all my Macs are in storage right now and I'm typing this on a stinkin' Dell. I had to make the switch about 10 years ago just to keep gainfully employed. Now I do a lot of Microsoft stuff because it's easy and it pays well, but I've been missing the joy and simplicity of having a kick-ass Mac in my life.
    Thanks for the diary. I think I'll be visiting the local Apple store this weekend.

    "Never, never, NEVER give up!" --Winston Churchill

    by rioduran on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:21:42 PM PDT

  •  Congratulations! I got my first Mac (a 512ke) in (2+ / 0-)
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    1.  I've owned nothing but Macs since (although I've worked with plenty of PCs).  Apple simply designs products which work.

    And for those who are tired of the candidate wars, do NOT click on the NYTimes story Is Obama a Mac and Clinton a PC?

    Diplomacy, n. The patriotic act of lying for one's country -- Ambrose Bierce - So how come the Bushies are so bad at diplomacy?

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:24:34 PM PDT

  •  The Apple I most prefer is... (1+ / 0-)
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    Granny Smith apples...they just taste better to me:)

    "We are a Plutocracy, we ought to face it. We need, desperately, to find new ways to hear independent voices & points of view" Ramsey Clark US AG

    by Mr SeeMore on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:25:50 PM PDT

  •  Best iPhone review ever (0+ / 0-)

  •  Machead here... (4+ / 0-)
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    I have six Macs, all older.  The only problem I have with them is that it is hard to justify buying a new one when the old ones just keep working.  My school is in the process of switching to PCs.  It is a maintenance nightmare but no one will admit it because that would mean that I have been right all along.  I have machines (Macs) in that building that haven't had so much as a clock battery replaced since they were purchased 8 years ago!  The licenses for all the software for the PCs add significantly to the price and when we start talking about speakers, monitors, etc. the price adds up fast.  The administration and board want the kids to have "what they work on at home" and what they'll be working on when they get out of school.  I counter with what's wrong with knowing how to do two things?  The differences they are talking about are all software- related and nothing they work on now will be the same when they join the work force in 6 or 8 years.  The kids have never had a problem switching back and forth but adults are another matter.  Too bad...  Oh, and Word s**ks!

    -7.62, -7.28 "We told the truth. We obeyed the law. We kept the peace." - Walter Mondale

    by luckylizard on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:39:56 PM PDT

  •  Best part of being an Apple Stockholder... (1+ / 0-)
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    I get to vote FOR AL GORE every year.


    (Oh, and thank you to the diarist for contributing to my bottom line.)

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    -Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:47:48 PM PDT

    •  I was going to buy (1+ / 0-)
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      Apple stock way back when...when the company was on bad times. I thought every Apple fan should buy about 10+ shares. I was going to buy 100. The price back then was $16/share.  Never got around to it.


      "Some creatures are made to see in the dark." -- Henry David Thoreau

      by Bodhiness on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:25:01 PM PDT

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  •  not to mention Microsoft is a Monopoly (1+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama

    that supported Bush to get a better deal on the lawsuit.  And that Steve Ballmer is the devil.  Better to pony up and support a lawful company.

  •  Why do people write "then" in place of "than"? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  We Found Out The Hard Way (3+ / 0-)
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    Chi, davechen, Wee Mama

    My wife and I were both Windows PC users for many years.  Last year she got a Mac desktop.  After setting it up for her, I realized that it was just WAY BETTER than our XP machines.

    Now we have 2 Mac desktops and an iBook.  These things are wonderful - everything you said is true and then some...

  •  I refuse to buy anything apple (3+ / 0-)
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    until they open up their hardware and software to standards that others can license.

    They also make everything overseas.  

    Apple and the way they run their company is against almost everything I see argued every day on these boards.

    Granted, the stuff on the PC side is made overseas as well, but at least they support open standards.

    --Independent Impressed by Obama!

    by SnowItch on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:18:01 PM PDT

    •  That's all Jobs' doing... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...When Wozniak was still desinging the machines, he insisted that they be open.  The original Apple II's even shipped with the full schematics... Jobs never liked the idea that users could do whatever they wanted with their machines.  He always wanted to control the user experience.  That's why the original mac had no expansion capabilities, and why the iPod can't be programmed by third parties.

      It sucks, really... I wish Woz was back...

      The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

      by LordMike on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:47:17 PM PDT

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  •  Meh (1+ / 0-)
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    Single source for everything, tried to peddle DRM music, locked you into AT & T with their phancy phone... plus Steve Jobs thinks teachers unions are why American education is left behind.

    No thanks!

  •  When can I get a 3G iPhone? (0+ / 0-)

    I am holding out on getting an iPhone because I want to be on the internet when I'm in a place far away from a wireless access point - like at the beach.

    That's the only thing stopping me.  But I get the impression that sales are so good with the iPhone the way it is, they have no incentive to add true 3G or hspda (?) to it.  After all, they are in business to make money, not to please me.

    But I wish they would hurry up with the 3G!

    "In the unlikely story that is America, there's never been anything false about hope." Barack Obama for President

    by Chi on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:17 PM PDT

  •  I have a new 15" MacBook Pro & a 15" Powerbook (0+ / 0-)

    G4, which was the first Mac I had ever bought. I now have the Airport Extreme for my office and an Airport Express for use when travelling, an ipod and other Apple goodies. I recently bought iwork, and have almost quit using Office for Mac, as Pages, Numbers and Keynote work as good as the Windows programs, even better really, since they can be read on Windows or Mac.
    I haven't bought an iphone, and won't, unless I can have an unlocked one with quad band. I travel a lot, and need a phone that I can just stick any SIM card in, and not be billed ridicules roaming charges. I've thought about buying the Macbook Air, because sometimes the 15" size is more than I want to carry, but it has limitations such as the single USB, that just doesn't cut it. I really wish Apple would make a 12" Macbook Pro, like they did with the G4 Powerbook.

  •  you're all corporate pawns (0+ / 0-)

    If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities. Voltaire

    by bryker on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:32:40 PM PDT

  •  Mac since '85 (1+ / 0-)
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    My 3yr old at the time was a pro.
    In the past 5 years I have bought 2 xserves, a RAID, a G4, a G5, an iMAC, 2 powerbooks, a Macpro, 3 ipods. Never have I had a lick of trouble. Love my MACs.

  •  Gave up on Vista two days ago (0+ / 0-)

    But I couldn't do Apple. Way too proprietary, They're worse than Sony (and Microsoft for that matter, if they could match the market share).

    Hardy Heron is now out for Ubuntu and its Linux the rest of the way.

    On a side note, I know this is a Mac thread, but to bash PC for a moment; did anyone else's Vista just hate Firefox, or hear about that problem?

    The Iraq war cost another $48,000 in the time it took you to read this sentence. - QT

    by kafkaesque on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:41:39 PM PDT

  •  Two G4 powerbooks from Craigslist (0+ / 0-)

    Awesome deals $800 and $600 .

    I have a 12" G4 PB (bought 2 years ago) and a 15" G4 PB (bought 1 year ago)

    The kids used one for a year with no problems whatsoever. No reformating, no crashing, no viruses, no spyware - even with my teenager using it.

    Well except for one them destroying the 12" PB's superdrive by putting a clear plastic "blank" cd in there... But I replaced it with a faster drive using a step by step repair manual found on the tubes.

    Our last PC was catching adware, spyware, viruses, all the time, even when running behind NAT and using virus scanners.

  •  I forgot to put in my first comment, but I (1+ / 0-)
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    am pretty sure I have the most expensive 15" G4 Powerbook ever: I bought it online during my first Iraqi experience, back in 04, but decided to have it sent to a colleagues office in Amman, Jordan, instead of to Baghdad, with the idea of having one of his people bringing it to me on one of their visits to the project. Big mistake! Long story short: The Jordanian Customs had to have 1200 USD before they would release it, so that, plus another 400 USD to DHL for shipping, plus $2600 purchase price, came to be one very expensive computer. Then after all this, I ended up having to get one of my Iraqi contractors to bring it by car from Amman, to where I was south of Baghdad, but that computer stayed with me through 2 1/2 years in Iraq, and survived some gale force wind storms without any problems. Its still in use everyday, and has never had to have a single repair done to it. I just upgraded it to Leopard, and with its history, I could never part with it.  

  •  my history (0+ / 0-)

    Let see,
    I started with an Apple IIc, on to a Mac SE, then an LC, then a Powerbook 520c, on to an LC 575, then a Powermac 9500 and finally a Powermac G4. This summer I'll pick up the next generation iPhone and a new desktop Mac. Haven't decided which one yet.

    My parents have the first flat screen iMac, still runs great. My kids use one of the original colored iMacs, runs great and my wife has an iMac G5.

    I had a second generation iPod for a few years and now have an 80gig iPod. My daughter has a shuffle and my wife has a Nano. (Have never had a problem with any of them, that includes batteries. My iPod runs all day at work everyday).

    At work I use a piece of crap windows machine, I cuss at it everyday.

    I run Linux on my server.

    Last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake.

    by bsegel on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:11:05 PM PDT

  •  The best Apple product ever! (0+ / 0-)

    It all went downhill from there...  

    The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

    by LordMike on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:45:25 PM PDT

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