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If your primary political news source is TV, radio or print media you're aware that the "Rev. Wright Controversy" is a huge issue. One that weighs heavily on voters minds around the country. You might also know that the issue is completely overblown, that in reality people are far more concerned with bigger issues then whether or not Obama agrees with everything his pastor said.

The media manufactured nature of the controversy has been well documented here so I will not cover it again.

There is doubtlessly a real resonance amongst some voters about the issue. For them the issue is not about Wright directly, rather, he is a proxy for the racism that cannot directly be spoken of nowadays.

Rev. Wright is being symbolically manipulated to being Obama's shadow persona. Wright, like Obama, is an intelligent, articulate, charismatic black man. The difference between them is that Wright is publicly emotional and angry. Wright is the living nightmare of the white racist; he is a trouble-maker, a black man who doesn't know his place. Obama, in contrast,
is not a threatening figure to most whites. He is quite similar to Tiger
Woods, a sucessful, mixed race prodigy: a culturally approved black male.

Obama walks a tight rope in his race presentation. He must appear strong and presidential, but not in a way that threatens the institution of white privilege. Even more so than Hillary or McCain, his actions must be closely self-scrutinized so as to not inflame racist tendencies.

Voters concerned with the Rev. Wright issue are those vulnerable to the fear that beneath Obama's cool exterior lurks an angry black man, like Wright. This is at the essence of the Manchurian candidate meme that Fox is pushing.

Let's call a spade a spade; the Rev. Wright controversy is about tagging Obama with an "angry black man" shadow that can be manipulated against him during the election and even after he has won. The Rev. Wright based attacks on Obama are all about race: they are racist.

Rev. Wright is the Dean scream of 2008.

Update: In regards to the title. First of all the phrase is not racist in origin. Its meaning has always been "to speak plainly," well before spade became a derogatory term. The "spades" I'm referring to in the title are the racists themselves, i.e. the Wright based attacks are about tagging Obama with a racist meme.

Originally posted to joel3000 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:58 PM PDT.

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  •  after (12+ / 0-)

    this last week, i finally let myself agree with you.  it is completely racist.

    the fact that republican after republican can seek the endorsement of crazy WHITE pastors, without nary a word, and this is what happens to the first black candidate, should be enough for anyone to conclude this is racist.

  •  Um, "spade a spade"? (6+ / 0-)

    Dude, seriously....get bent...

    Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

    by Aqualad08 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:01:33 PM PDT

  •  I agree with you to a point (2+ / 0-)
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    joel3000, HCKAD

    Certainly one aspect of the Wright controversy is the desire of the right to associate Obama with frightening black people who hate America and hate white people.  But why should Wright's comment frighten white people?  The fact is, this nation is not fully mature to have certain discussions.  As I said in an earlier post:

    The furor surrounding Wright has less to do with him being black and more to do with the fact that he is preaching a message of extreme justice.  He is a progressive preacher.  He finds fault in conservative America, not in liberal America.  That is where he is different from Falwell and Robertson.  A black preacher who expressed the views of the religious right would be embraced by that group in a heartbeat.

    In the eyes of conservatives, America's past was a time of great success and peace and tranquility.  Any interpretation of our history that suggests otherwise is a threat to that worldview, and that's what Wright espouses.

  •  Enough with the Rev. Wright. (1+ / 0-)
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    sja

    We can't criticize the media for continuing to talk about him when we're doing the same ourselves.

    So please for the love of all that is holy LET IT GO.

    "Beware the terrible simplifiers" Jacob Burckhardt, Historian

    by notquitedelilah on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:04:01 PM PDT

  •  Let's Call A Spade A Spade? (3+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, sja, grasshopper

    Are you kidding with that title?  And then you call others racist?

    That's ironic.

    Dude Please change the title.

    •  I think he means it ironically (1+ / 0-)
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      joel3000

      "The majority of a single vote [is] as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

      by cartwrightdale on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:09:48 PM PDT

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      •  i have heard spade used in a deragotory way, (1+ / 0-)
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        joel3000

        but i have never heard the spade a spade adage be called racist.  Spade that ya'll are thinking of is the card suit spade.  That is the racist version, the spade a spade is an adage from calling the shovel a spade.  Anyway you concern trolls will just keep going untill no one can say anything and we will all just have to use esp to communicate.

           

        Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

        by wargolem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:50:33 PM PDT

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        •  I think it's racially insensitive (1+ / 0-)
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          wargolem

          But wasn't meant to be racist.  Kinda like "niggardly" and "tar baby" -- not racist, but you probably should be careful using them these days.

          From Wordmall:

          It’s based on a mistranslation by the Dutch Renaissance scholar Desiderius Erasmus [ca. 1466 - 1536]. In Greek, skaphis is a shovel or spade, and skaphos is a boat, a skiff. He chose the wrong word, and "to call a spade a spade" came into being. In 1539, John Tavener brought Erasmus’ Latin version into English in his Garden of Wysdome: "Whiche call . . . a mattok nothing els but a mattok, and a spade a spade." A mattock, by the way, is a digging tool with a flat blade set at right angles to the handle. So Tavener was advancing the meaning of the proverb to show that even allied objects should be carefully distinguished. After that, the saying was off and running, and it was used by dozens of writers, eventually dooming it to cliché status.

          Spade, the offensive racist term referring to a black person, probably derived from the color of the ace of spades in a deck of cards, and it didn’t attain this meaning until 1928. So only someone who believes that Nostradamus was on top of his game would believe that a phrase in use for almost 2,000 years miraculously foretold an obnoxious slang term of the early 20th century.

          The same is true of "a coon’s age." It refers to the raccoon and the mistaken notion that it lives a very long time. In fact, their maximum longevity is 7.2 years. What does last is coonskin, as Davy Crockett and his cap will testify. There is no racist origin in this phrase whatsoever. Of course, stupid people have used animals as insults for ages, including dogs, but it’s no reflection on this saying.

          Finally, there’s niggardly, a term that enraged vocabulary-deprived politicians in Washington a few years back. It means "in a parsimonious or frugal manner," and it comes from an Old Norse word meaning stingy. The vile and ignominious N-word, rightly held in contempt by educated people, comes from a Latin word meaning black, and has absolutely nothing to do with the adjective niggard.

          "The majority of a single vote [is] as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

          by cartwrightdale on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:03:14 PM PDT

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          •  hmm not so sure about tar baby (0+ / 0-)

            i have never known anyone to use it for any other use than to be hurtfull to someone of AA decent.  Niggardly yes it just suffers from being in the same pronunciation range and has no relation to the word which shall not be named, EVER again in the english language, unless you are a follower of Tu Pac Shakur and are meaning N.ever  I.gnorant  G.etting  G.oals  A.ccomplished!  which is how many mainstream rappers say that they mean it, when in reality in the urban vocabulary it is mainly a greeting word, but woe unto you if you are not AA and try to say it, because it would be misconstrued as a very negative word that has no other meaning than the hurtfull one.

            Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

            by wargolem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:12:05 PM PDT

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  •  I don't like "spade a spade" either but... (3+ / 0-)
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    joel3000, grasshopper, evanaj

    it probably doesn't have the origins you think it does.

    ~Doc~

    -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

    by EquationDoc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:06:50 PM PDT

    •  Which is to say, Erasmus was talking about... (0+ / 0-)

      shovels.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      But as I said, I don't like it. We all know that this word is not simply a synonym for shovels.

      ~Doc~

      -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

      by EquationDoc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:12:07 PM PDT

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      •  yes it is also a word for a suit of cards, (2+ / 0-)
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        joel3000, stillonline

        which is where the racist version compares to.  The diarist has made it plain he means shovels to shovels so............................

        LET..............

        IT...............

        FUCKING...........

        GO.................

        quite fuckign whining about it after he has explained himself.  Some words have 2 or more meanings, like fag means cigarette in England

        Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

        by wargolem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:53:19 PM PDT

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        •  I wasn't fecking whining...nor was I asking (0+ / 0-)

          him to explain himself...nor was I not letting it go. I was, however, SIMPLY pointing out that the origin of the term was NOT racist. Unfortunately, you don't seem to have grasped that in the midst of your over-reaction.

          ~Doc~

          -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

          by EquationDoc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:51:44 PM PDT

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          •  was not replying to you i was replying to the (0+ / 0-)

            guy above you that said it was racist. sorry should have been more clear when i posted.

            Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

            by wargolem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:21:59 PM PDT

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            •  OK, I got confused because your comment... (1+ / 0-)
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              wargolem

              was a response to mine.

              Nevertheless, my response was too snippy, and I apoligize for over-reacting myself.

              ~Doc~

              -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

              by EquationDoc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:45:11 PM PDT

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              •  no worries mate it was my fault :) (0+ / 0-)

                i keep trying to reply to the wrong comments for some reason....

                Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

                by wargolem on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:51:02 PM PDT

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    •  Origins are totallty irrelevant (1+ / 0-)
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      Language changes. What a phrase meant back in the day doesn't matter at all. Most people under the age of 40 have not heard the phrase used in any derogatory manner. If to some geezers my age it has some negative residue, so what?

      Language is what it is. Only the current meaning of a word or phrase counts. As long as the writer is clear in the use, it should not be criticized.

      There was a time when use of the word "Chitlin'" would raise flags, now almost no one knows what it means. There is no reason to get worked up over this.

      My last sig was forced into retirement. The position is open.

      by MakeChessNotWar on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:59:16 PM PDT

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      •  Words are just symbols we attach to ideas... (1+ / 0-)
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        joel3000

        ...the symbols themselves have no inherent meaning. Does a bad word in Mandarin (presuming you don't speak it) mean anything to you?

        What's offensive, if anything, is the meaning being conveyed, which in this case, was clearly not malign. Attacking the symbol does nothing to erode the underlying idea.

        Think about it.

        "The opposite of a triviality is plainly false; the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." - Niels Bohr

        by Autarkh on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:02:53 PM PDT

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        •  Every generation has its own taboos (1+ / 0-)
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          The property of being taboo or vulgar is a temporary thing, and passes with time. Notice that olde people are more offended y "nigger" than teens. And if you called someone an "ofay" now you'd just get puzzled stares.

          I'm not a "politically correct" user of language, never have been. But I would not use terms I know will offend my audience.

          To raise this to the level of the absurd, I once heard a talk at the University of Chicago, claiming that Christian "salvation" was linked to the term "slavery" (hell, they share lots of letters!).

          My last sig was forced into retirement. The position is open.

          by MakeChessNotWar on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:29:56 PM PDT

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          •  If one's main goal is communication, not... (0+ / 0-)

            ...deliberate offensiveness, then, yes, sensitivity to the audience is extremely important, and I agree with pretty much everything you said.

            There is a line though. At some point, one shouldn't placate this kind of hypersensitivity, because it only legitimates and encourages it. I think this instance was clearly on the defensible side of the line. I've used, and heard that phrase used countless times, without hint of racist undertones. I refuse on general principle to yield it up to the sacrificial alter of the permanently outraged.

            "The opposite of a triviality is plainly false; the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." - Niels Bohr

            by Autarkh on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:32:50 PM PDT

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            •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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              We do have to draw lines. I still use the accurate term "handicapped". Someone lacking a normal facility isn't "challenged". I have a slight disability as a result of a stroke. When it comes to stairs and San Francisco streets, I'm at a disadvantage. I appreciate the special parking privileges I have because I have a handicap.

              If people are offended by words, they should try to reclaim them. As has happened with "queer", which became a badge of honor rather than an insult. Simply avoiding words doesn't help.

              I thought the diarist was trying to be subtly clever. I assumed use of the phrase was deliberate and found nothing to object to.

              My last sig was forced into retirement. The position is open.

              by MakeChessNotWar on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:52:19 PM PDT

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      •  thank goodness someone with sense (0+ / 0-)

        thank you for being reasonable.

        Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

        by wargolem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:03:02 PM PDT

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      •  I don't believe I was "getting worked up (0+ / 0-)

        over this" I believe I was simply pointing out that the origin of the phrase was not racist.

        Sheesh.

        ~Doc~

        -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

        by EquationDoc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:57:30 PM PDT

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  •  You may be too young to know that to many (4+ / 0-)

    people, "spade" is a very derogatory name for black people. The phrase takes its whole force from implying that people are being mealy mouthed and should be bluntly racist.

    Please change the title.

  •  Spade?? Delete your diary and start over with a. (2+ / 0-)
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    sja, The Third Way

    different title, please.  That's in line with the "n" word.  Apparrently, you did not know.  Well, each one, teach one.

    Now you know.

    •  Lets never use the word mikey again either ok? (3+ / 0-)
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      joel3000, DiedInSuburbia, stillonline

      or how bout lets never use the word cuz agains either, or how about lets never use the word smoke....  FOR FUCK's SAKE people get your fucking feelings off your shoulders.

      I can understand not using the N word the C word or the K word or the H word or the ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ... ok we get it.  If someone somewhere has ever been called a word that is negative it must be banned from the english language and never ever ever used again.  I so hope that we can try to all be more like Barack and put bullshit behind us and move forward.  I hope that all the political correctness crowd gets ran over by the moderate bus that Obama is driving because i think it is absolutly stupid to say you can never use the word spade in refrence to a shovel, which is where that adage came from.

      Read the fucking diary and you will see what he means, but noooooooooooooooo  we have to all conform and become PC robots or you will cry yourself to sleep at night.  How about this.  Do not ever use the word "Word" in a diary again because this one time... at band camp.... i was called word by a bunch of trumbone players and they made it sound so hurtfull that every time i see it i just break into tears and curl up in a fetal position.

      Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

      by wargolem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:59:49 PM PDT

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  •  I assume it's innocent... (1+ / 0-)
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    sja

    but please change the title.

    Now, I fully agree that the Wright thing is all about racism. But if it wasn't Wright, it would be something else. If you've supported Obama the whole time and you didn't think his race would EVER become an issue, then I'll have what you're smoking.

    (Not directed at diarist, but anyone).

    "He's patriotic in sincere ways, and not in photo-op ways." - jenontheshore

    by Ivey476 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:08:45 PM PDT

  •  A rose by any other name... (0+ / 0-)

    ... would smell a lot less racist.

    A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude --Pablo Neruda

    by justiceputnam on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:09:48 PM PDT

    •  SO the fuck what? (3+ / 0-)
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      sja, grasshopper, math monkey

      The term comes from playing cards and was co-opted as racist code. Fuck your link. A good many on this thread understand nuance and double entendre so don't obtusely argue semantics like an asshole.

      •  Yes, (1+ / 0-)
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        DiedInSuburbia

        clearly,  understanding nuance is your forte.  Yeesh.

        •  I give up, you are an academic racist. (0+ / 0-)

          in·tran·si·gent also in·tran·si·geant  (n-trns-jnt, z)
          adj.
          Refusing to moderate a position, especially an extreme position; uncompromising.

          •  You're right. (1+ / 0-)
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            DiedInSuburbia

            I'm a racist.

            You caught me.

            Speaking of "understanding nuance," could you at least agree that, even if some people find the expression offensive, it is equivocal enough that the fact that the diarist obviously didn't mean it that way is enough to silence the alarms?!

            Context is a bitch, indeed.

            •  The fact (1+ / 0-)
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              math monkey

              that you are the champion of the word "Spade" makes any further arguments you make highly suspect.

              This site is self moderating which is actually kind of beautiful. When people ignore moderation then they put themeselves outside the community.

              The community has overwhelmingly called atttention to the fact that we find the statement both dated and offensive and a dog whistle to boot.

              •  Bullshit. (1+ / 0-)
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                joel3000

                Read your own sig line. Context is, in fact, a bitch.

                To call black person a spade, as in, "you fucking spade!" would be self-evidently offensive.

                To make an analogy referencing a meaning that predates the word's derogatory connotations, on the other hand, is not offensive.

                If you find it offensive, take a sedative.

                "The opposite of a triviality is plainly false; the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." - Niels Bohr

                by Autarkh on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:58:12 PM PDT

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                •  Come to my neighborhood (0+ / 0-)

                  Take a door to door poll on the ins and outs of "call a spade a spade." You would not dare to do so. That might be a sign it is objectionable.

                  It's too bad your title ruined the point of your diary.

                  •  It's not MY diary. (0+ / 0-)

                    And if it has been "ruined," the culprits are the people more interested in being outraged than debating the substance of the issues it raises.  

                    "The opposite of a triviality is plainly false; the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." - Niels Bohr

                    by Autarkh on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:11:13 PM PDT

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                  •  it IS the point of the diary! It IS the point! (0+ / 0-)
                  •  how about this context woodstock007.... (0+ / 0-)

                    your a fucktard.  Now crawl back in your commune and go cry yourself to sleep because someone does not think the way you want them to think. Fuck i get so damn tired of trying to talk to people who throw around bullshit phrases like

                    that you are the champion of the word "Spade" makes any further arguments you make highly suspect.

                    The way i see it is there is a slight majority of people on your side and quite a few of us with brains that say that there is a double meaning and is not quite as negative as you would lead everyone to believe.  Personally i would prefer you just take political correctness and shove it up your ass until it vanishes and you can keep it all to yourself.

                    1)Life is not fair - get used to it.

                    1. The world won't care about your self esteem.  The world will expect you to accomplish something before you feel good about yourself.
                    1. No you will not make $60k a year right out of high school unless you are a superstar and the odds of that are worse than getting struck by lightning.
                    1. If you thought your teacher was tough in high school, get a job and see what a real boss is like.
                    1. If YOU mess up it is not your parents fault, so don't whine about your mistakes learn from them.

                    6)Schools may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT.  In life you have to succeed (win) to get ahead.  Life does not give a shit about your feelings.

                    1. and lastly be nice to nerds, chances are you will wind up working for one.

                    oh and if you could read that, thank a teacher.

                    Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway!

                    by wargolem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:28:19 PM PDT

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          •  *shrug* (0+ / 0-)

            I've used that phrase for years and it wasn't until this thread did I learn that it was racist.   But I've been living in Canada for 30 years and things like this are not always the same.  Mulatto is one of the words that is acceptable here but apparently its considered racist in the u.s.

  •  The real issue is I was away from the news ... (1+ / 0-)
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    joel3000

    for about 12 hours and I feel much, much better.

    Message being - the facts have not changed, just my exposure to toxic media has been reduced for a short while.

    Imagine that. :)

    more money, more votes, more delegates and more class means more electable.

    by cskendrick on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:10:21 PM PDT

  •  Ya see, me little fwend, it's all about (2+ / 0-)
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    joel3000, Mother of Zeus

    BIBLE PROPHECY - bwahaahaahaaa (pardon the mirth, but have you ever heard such BS as animates Bush and co. ?)
    You're right of course, one Black pastor talks, quite rightly, about social injustice in America and he's dismissed as a nut case, meanwhile our white Bible-bashing ignorant cretins are applauded for telling us that The Literal Word of God (aka the King James innacurate English translation) announces Armaggedon, blah, blah, blah.
    Nothing has been more screwed up in America than religion.

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:10:25 PM PDT

  •  Heh. (4+ / 0-)
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    HL Mungo, joel3000, sja, Ivey476

    I think the title is purposely ironic.

    Like this:

    "The majority of a single vote [is] as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

    by cartwrightdale on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:10:56 PM PDT

  •  Call a liar a liar (0+ / 0-)

    Or (see: NC robo-calls from Clinton affiliate group) a Class I Felony a Class I Felony.

    more money, more votes, more delegates and more class means more electable.

    by cskendrick on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:10:58 PM PDT

  •  Perpetuating the Wright Story??? (1+ / 0-)
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    joel3000

    What useful purpose did your post serve other than to hang on to an irrelevant story?

    With everything else that is going on you and your kind what to hang on to this crap?

    The fact you haven't chnaged thr title of your post is a clear signal as to your intent.

  •  Speaking of duplicity (0+ / 0-)

    see Clinton supporter Pennsylvania Governor Rendell Praising Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    I think he meant to call racism racism.  And why sidetrack a legit discussion with more word play.  We need to get past the politically correct and talk openly.  

  •  It's About ... (0+ / 0-)

    It's pushed by people who are scared of the social consequences of electing a black man to lead this country and the world.

    This controversy would not happen anywhere near this level if it was a white man that was favorite to be the Democratic candidate.

  •  Please, form now and ever more (3+ / 0-)
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    NO MORE STORIES ABOUT JEREMIAH WRIGHT!This type of stuff isn't getting me out of Iraq anytime sooner.

    With sacrifice comes rewards. Have YOU thanked a veteran today?

    by Matt from Iraq on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:19:12 PM PDT

  •  WTF (0+ / 0-)

    Are you really this tone deaf? That saying is very offensive. If you spend a lot of time arguing that is not, it simply proves the point.

    Many have asked you nicely. Please rename.

    Oh and the more people call you on it and you refuse to believe it is offensive, the more covertly racist you look. This site is community moderating, and we are asking you to moderate your language nicely.

  •  This was a high tech lynching (1+ / 0-)
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    of Wright and an attempt to turn Obama into an Uncle Tom which he refused to do in his first opportunity for a rebuttal.  

    Only a racist either motivated by greed or anger would participate in a lynching.  That means that all those in the Clinton and McCain campaigns and 99% of the media in America are flaming bigots and not worth being spat upon.

    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

    by Marie on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:24:04 PM PDT

    •  Marie Remember your Recent History Please (0+ / 0-)

      High Tech Lynching = Clarence Thomas.  Do you really want to use the phrase of a Scalia wannabe?

      •  Anyone with half a brain knew then (0+ / 0-)

        that it was hyperbole written for Thomas by one of BushI's speech writers.  A good line is a terrible thing to waste when it's needed.  

        What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

        by Marie on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:02:10 PM PDT

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        •  Come Up With your Own Line (0+ / 0-)

          Even someone with half a brain like myself can come up with a good line.

          And it wasn't really needed, you're defending Wright, he doesn't deserve a defense, and if he does, he's quite capable of defending himself.

          •  Come on -- Wright's a decent man (0+ / 0-)

            with a few nutty notions. Most Americans hold at least as many nutty notions as Wright and few have been involved in as many good works as Wright.  

            Eagerly anticipating you "good line."

            What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

            by Marie on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:47:23 PM PDT

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    •  You really believe that? (0+ / 0-)

      How can you support Wright and Obama?  Everything Wright was saying was antithetical to Obama.  (I had to LOOK UP antithetical - that's why the call him elitist!) The two are like matter and anti-matter.  You have to choose one.  Either anger for the past or hope for future. Not to diminish the grievances.  But at some point you have to let go to move forward.  

  •  This comment is not about the use of "spade" (1+ / 0-)
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    Although, seriously, use another metaphor.  I think that linguistically you are in the clear and that phrase predates the racial overtones of the word.  Still, you should edit your diary with a less offensive title now that you know it is offensive.

    But the point of my comment:
    I think this is yet another expample of the uphill battle liberals, progressive, democrats, and outsiders (not all the same, but overlapping) face trying to get thier message accross.  

    The right-wing noise machine will continue to hammer this story home long past its expiration date while ignoring and glossing over McCain's faults and foibles.

    The mediocre main-stream press will continue to report on it and drum up new angles on the basis that "people" are talking about it.  Nevermind that the people talking about it are Fox veiwers and ditto-heads.

    Finally, even the liberal media (what little is left) has to talk about it in a vain attempt to make sure both sides are equally represented.

    Repeat as needed.  It is vital that we break this cycle.  Most Americans get their news pre-filtered.  We need to counter this loudly with an anti-story.

    My suggestion is to respond to every Reverend Wright story with some variation of "You know, I can't beleive you would waste time on something like this when there is a war on.  Do you really think this is serving the best interests ov your viewers?  You must have a low opinion of them."

    Smarter, snarkier people could come up with a better line.

    Don't do the Republican's work for them.

    by math monkey on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:27:08 PM PDT

  •  I like your diary. (1+ / 0-)
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    Shortly after Wright's reappearance I posted a diary about how he and Clinton were both like old rooster trying to prove they could still crow.  Then I made other comments.  I was roundly criticized.  When Wright was speaking at the National Press Club, this community acted like he was extraordinary.  You'd think he was the second coming. They defended him viciously.  

    Why is is accepted that people like Hagee, Robertson and Falwell are nut cases but if you say that Wright is over the top, it's racist.  The man was angry.  I felt he hated me.  I took down my Obama sign.  It scared me!  Then Obama spoke and he reacted to Wright the same way I did.  Obama doesn't hate me (I look like his Mama) I put the sign back up.  I am making calls.  

    I agree.  And your title is right on.  Calling it what it is.  

  •  These discussions miss the point. (1+ / 0-)
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    There have been several discussions here about Wright...whether he's right or wrong...why the media aren't screaming about Hagee and his ilk...etc. These are useful topics for the country to debate but, with regard to Obama, they miss the point: Why would an intelligent, skilled public speaker like Wright jeopardize Obama's chance to be the first African American president with the power to address some of the injustices that Wright articulates?  It shouldn't be that way.  I get that.  But it is, Wright must know it is, and IMO, this is the relevance of the whole debacle.  

    •  Cas2 The Things Wright Said Were (1+ / 0-)
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      Deeply offensive to me, and they should be to you.  I know all about the Tuskeegee Experiment, I know all about the civil rights movement, racism still exists today in ugly, pernicious ways, like schooling, housing, predatory lending, etc.

      All of this does not excuse him saying God Damn America, because even with all its problems, and there are many, America is the best country in the world.  Where else would Wright have gotten his top of the line education if not here?

      Obama was right to disown him, and I applaud him for it.  He should have done it after those clips came out, but he was trying to be noble, and I applaud Obama for trying to take the high road, but it didn't work.

    •  Wright swiftboated Obama (1+ / 0-)
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      His motives are suspect.  You can defend his right to preach the gospel anyway he believes.  You can even defend his right to believe that AIDS was a government plot.  But his betrayal of his friend? And now the book tour?  

  •  Using "spade" in the hypersensitive context (2+ / 0-)
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    of race and politics is not  just an innocent choice of words. Let's get real here. To you it's a joke. To everyone with a brain it's a transparent insult.

    I learned French because I like the language. I'm learning Spanish because I like the people who speak it.

    by Vengeur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:53:04 PM PDT

  •  Embarrassing (3+ / 0-)
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    It's embarrassing how many comments are arguing the choice of metaphor rather than the content of the message.  

    We're better than this.

  •  aside from the poor choice of words, (0+ / 0-)

    can we please stop talking about Rev Wright????????? Cripes, this website is not better than the beat-it-to-death press. Enough already!!!!!!11

    A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.

    by charlestown dem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:07:07 PM PDT

  •  Bullshit (2+ / 0-)
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    first, as noted above, your title is abhorrent.

    Second, and more important, the Wright story might have BEEN about race, way back when, when it first surfaced, but only barely.  It was a very simple, age-old welcome-to-politics, guilt-by-association story.  It lived a while, and then it died.

    And THEN, Wright himself, feeling scorned by Obama or seeing his opportunity to thrust himself on to the national stage, made the story about Wright and about Obama.   He called Obama liar, saying Obama didn't really mean what he said, but was just a politician.  He said Obama really agrees with him, and then went batshit insane, blaming the United States for AIDS, endorsing Farrakhan, and embracing Farrakhan's anti-Semitism.

    You flat out can not blame the new chapter of the Wright story on anybody but Wright, but if you want to find somebody, then the next person in line is Obama, for dancing the line to carefully instead of decrying him more affirmatively first time around.

    If you refuse to vote for OUR PARTY'S nominee in November, the blood of a thousand back-alley abortions will be on your hands.

    by dhonig on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:24:52 PM PDT

    •  I think this has played out... (0+ / 0-)

      I think the Obama/Wright rift is the best thing that could have happened, given the situation.

      My hunch is that Wright may have martyred himself to give Obama some plausible distance, i.e. he caricatured himself to the point that Obama had to disavow him.

      I like Wright, but he's too real for a lot of America. Certainly more real than Obama should be in charge of explaining to the nation. But if Wright didn't go out on a limb Obama would have no plausible excuse to disavow him. It would then look like Obama was abandoning a close friend.

      Wright is a smart man. I wouldn't put it past him to understand the right move to make. Perhaps it was an accident, it was still the best outcome given the situation.

      Obama's had a bad couple of weeks. He's moving Wright behind him and got the SD news to bolster him. Unfortunately, if I'm correct, we're still going to hear the mumblings about Wright and we need to start calling them what they are: racist.

      •  change wright to hagee and obama to mccain (1+ / 0-)
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        you can't have two sets of rules.  and it Obama disavowed wright to be politically expedient...then I'm going nader.  I hope to God that you are wrong.  

        •  Obama knew (0+ / 0-)

          Obama knew Wright was a loose cannon from the start. Who knows if Wright was purposefully sabotaging the relationship or he was having an ego-fit. It doesn't matter.

          If Obama was responsible for explaining the nuances of whatever Wright did in the campaign going forward he'd be in trouble.

          They can make up after Obama wins.

    •  I admire loyalty (1+ / 0-)
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      and a certain deference to elders worthy of respect. Obama obviously tried hard to maintian both . And he was rewarded with indefensible inflamatory statements  by Wright. Who did that song "Back stabbers"? the O-Jays? Seems appropriate here.  

      I learned French because I like the language. I'm learning Spanish because I like the people who speak it.

      by Vengeur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:43:16 PM PDT

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