In the latest USA/Gallup poll, the glaringly obvious omission is the Obama-Clinton percentages.  However, it does reveal the following facts:

73% of Clinton supporters want a Obama-Clinton ticket
43% of Obama supporters want a Obama-Clinton ticket
55% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents want an Obama-Clinton ticket
537 democratic and democratic-leaning independents polled

A small bit of grade school algebra deduces that the Obama-Clinton split is 60% Obama, 40% Clinton.

Grade 5 math on the jump.

The tip-off was that 55%, the total number of those wanting an Obama-Clinton ticket, is a LOT closer to 43%, than it is to 73%.  Intuitively, this tells you that there must be many more Obama supporters than Clinton supporters.

Here it is:

Let C be the number of Clinton supporters
Let O be the number of Obama supporters

The article reveals there are 537 Democrats & Democratic Leaning independents, so:

C + O = 537
O = 537 - C

73% of Clinton supporters want a Obama-Clinton ticket
43% of Obama supporters want a Obama-Clinton ticket
55% of Democrats & Democratic Leaning independents support Obama-Clinton

0.73 C + 0.43 O = 0.55 (C + O)

0.73 C + 0.43 (537 - C) = 0.55 x 537

0.73 C + 230.91 - 0.43 C = 295.35

0.3 C = 295.35 - 230.91

C = 214.8 (Voters)

C% = 214.8 / 537 = 40%
O% = 322.2 / 537 = 60%

Difference: 20%

Caveat: This doesn't account for those polled who replied, "undecided" or "other", as the assumption is that all Clinton supporters + all Obama supporters = all democratic/democratic-leaning supporters.

That's a big, big difference in national numbers.  Perhaps, the biggest yet?

Bigger question:

Why did USAToday/Gallup not publish the Obama-Clinton numbers, when they were obviously polled?

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#### Comment Preferences

• ##### Teh Maths! Teh Maths!(7+ / 0-)

See, and you thought you'd never need algebra in the real world. ;)

"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking." - John Maynard Keynes

[ Parent ]

• ##### This lady I'm thinking of(1+ / 0-)
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Delilah

would say, 'People who do math are elitist..."

Habeas Corpus: The most stringent curb that ever legislation imposed on tyranny. (T.B. Macaulay, 1848)

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• ##### 43% obama supporters want an obama/clinton tkt?(17+ / 0-)

i'm sorry but i don't believe that poll.

in fact, what i think, is that the media peddles this shit for 4-5 days, and then polls to see how effective they were at their propaganda.  that HAS to be all this is.

grrr.  this better not fucking happen.

62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

• ##### It (4+ / 0-)
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bwintx, jj24, canoeist, velvet blasphemy

parentfucking better not happen.

We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

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• ##### I shall use that for now on(1+ / 0-)
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jj24

That is all

• ##### It's actually my greatest concern right now(3+ / 0-)
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distraught, jj24, Hope08

I think it would be absolutely awful, and would be a waste of what will likely be the presidency with the most potential for change in modern history.

• ##### yep, and it might lose him the race(3+ / 0-)
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distraught, cybrestrike, Hope08

she would drive more wingnuts to the polls than any other factor.

And his campaign motto would morph into "Change You Can Triangulate Around".

"Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

[ Parent ]

• ##### I don't believe(3+ / 0-)
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jj24, oak510, Alohilani

this either.  I'm a TRUE Obama supporter, and there's no way on earth I want that woman sharing the ticket with by BABY!!!

• ##### I thought that was a bit looney too(2+ / 0-)
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jj24, Kimball Cross

But then again, what do I know? LOL.

• ##### yeah(4+ / 0-)

A lot of the supporters I talk think they're both good Democrats, and they think having them on the same ticket makes sense. So that number doesn't surprise me (and neither does the 73% number for Clinton supporters).

You'd be surprised at how little our offline friends care about the day-to-day mudslinging that goes on.

"This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

[ Parent ]

• ##### It's the winning ticket.(0+ / 0-)

(-2.75, -4.92) | Hillary isn't the opponent anymore.

[ Parent ]

• ##### for mccain.(1+ / 0-)
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cybrestrike

i won't vote for HRC under ANY circumstances.  it has nothing to do with my support of any other candidate.  if she were the LAST CANDIDATE STANDING i would not vote for her.

i will not vote for a race-baiting, lobbyist-pandering shill who supports global agression, helped put the iraq war on the map of US history, and protects and fosters US imperialism.  i felt this way in 2002, and i feel this way now.  HRC is CEMENT SHOES for this entire campaign.

62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

[ Parent ]

• ##### but I'm not sure your views...(2+ / 0-)
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Delilah, sasatlanta

are shared by the majority of Democrats. I'm not a fan of Hillary anymore, based on her conduct during the campaign. But I do think the Obama-Clinton ticket would be very strong in the GE. I would put my own purity tests aside and accept HRC as VP if it results in Obama in the White House.

• ##### I second that(0+ / 0-)

I'ld never vote against Obama just because of my dislike of Clinton.

And besides, if we're forced to have one term of Hillary as VP, Obama can just dump her for the re-election campaign.

• ##### i take it you're white.(0+ / 0-)

what do you think it will do to the AA community to have HRC embraced as VP after all this shit?

62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

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• ##### Uh, I guess you didn't see the ABC poll then...(0+ / 0-)

...blacks are one of the MOST accepting demographics for the Obama/Clinton ticket.

(-2.75, -4.92) | Hillary isn't the opponent anymore.

[ Parent ]

• ##### that's bullshit.(0+ / 0-)

62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

[ Parent ]

• ##### Good work! Let me lend you...(2+ / 0-)
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jj24, cybrestrike

the secret spy camera hidden in the lapel pin thing-a-majigy!

The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion. --Thomas Paine

[ Parent ]

• ##### wooohooo - a new gadget!(1+ / 0-)
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cybrestrike

thanks!

62169 - which apparently means A LOT.

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• ##### Illusion! n/t(3+ / 0-)
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trippinsf, cybrestrike, Alohilani
• ##### yep ....(1+ / 0-)
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cybrestrike

A clinTON of crap!!!

don't believe teh HYPE!

Oh, Jesus: protect me from your followers!

[ Parent ]

• ##### It's on par with other polls(0+ / 0-)

If Obama has a 10-15% lead with with 10% undecideds, it ends up roughly becoming a 20% lead when you remove those undecideds.

• ##### The encouraging thing here...(3+ / 0-)
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artmartin, cybrestrike, allep10

..is these #'s come before the 1st Obama vs. McCain debate.

I can not imagine how McCain's handlers are dreading their ancient dumbass being seen on national TV debating Barack Obama.

I'm sure they are already bracing for a sizeable drop in the nation polls for their boy McCain after McCain is seen flip-flopping & lying while Obama appears (and sounds) presidential.

"So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."--Padmé Amidala

• ##### I started to follow your equations, and then I (9+ / 0-)

had a waking nightmare about being up at the board in Ms. Allison's 9th Grade Alegbra class, and I started screaming uncontrollably, which naturally concerned my co-workers.

• ##### You know the race if over when...(10+ / 0-)

... Chuck Schumer comes out yesterday waxing eloquent about the so-called "dream ticket."

There's no way Schumer makes such a statement without direction and approval of the Clinton campaign. Hell, I even saw a diary on MyDD yesterday from a long-time Clinton backer touting some inane "Draft the Dream Ticket" web petition.

Hilarious.

Looks like Camp Clinton figured out that their last ditch "white voters" appeal wasn't going to make a difference.

If I was Obama, I sure wouldn't want the Clintons hanging around the White House.

• ##### He'd have to come in every morning...(2+ / 0-)
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Bob Johnson, chumley

and kick Bill out of the Oval Office. ;-)

• ##### "And quit rummaging through my desk drawers!"(1+ / 0-)
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baudelairien
• ##### I don't believe this poll at all....(4+ / 0-)

I have not met one obama supporter that wants a joint ticket.... on the other hand lots of clinton supporters tell me they want hillary on the ticket....

I think it's the worst thing ever!!! Doesn't make any sense at all! I wish this talk of hillary as VP would go away already!

"If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress." - Barack Obama

• ##### Agreed.(0+ / 0-)

I haven't met one Obama support who thinks a 'dream ticket' is the way to go.  The answer I usually get is, "Hell no!"

It's a terrible idea...

"It's better to vote for what you want, and not get it, than to vote for what you don't want, and get it." Eugene Debs, 1912.

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• ##### I DO!(0+ / 0-)

My wife and I just did Obama's voter registration drive on Saturday, and we've both contributed, so we've given at least a little more than just our vote to him.

I think Hillary is the best choice to win.  To me, anyone who says, "this doesn't make any sense at all..." is not honestly considering both positives and negatives.

It's one thing to say it's not a good idea and provide some reasons, but to say it doesn't make any sense discounts lots of reasons that do make sense to some people, such as:

1.  Energizes females and older democrats (more than Obama does)
1.  Fundraising - Obama is fine by himself, but Hillary would still add
1.  Working class whites in PA, OH, etc.

Name me anybody else who accomplishes all three.

I agree there are negatives, and I will let you all list them if you wish.  But I still think this is the safest bet to a win, and a win is my most important thing right now.

• ##### I'm not opposed to Clinton on the ticket if(2+ / 0-)
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pacific city, sasatlanta

it can be demonstated that she would really strengthen the ticket and that she and Obama really can work together.  She's a good politician and if she and Obama could work together well then so be it.

• ##### We can't have obama talking about changing (6+ / 0-)

washington and how poltics is done and reducing lobbyists influence with hillary as VP... how foolish would that be?!!? that is why I am 100% opposed to an Obama/Clinton ticket.... there are so many other better options!

"If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress." - Barack Obama

[ Parent ]

• ##### It would be SO foolish that...(2+ / 0-)
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cybrestrike, sillycilla

it would be like a 11 on a scale of 10 (10 being the most foolish) of foolishnessess.

The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion. --Thomas Paine

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• ##### Clinton will kill Obama's candidacy out west(3+ / 0-)
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trippinsf, baudelairien, cybrestrike

She'd even be worse for downballot races, in more red states, the dems can't win.

She would be a drag to many people out there.

That would/could effect turn out.

Obama will do fine in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan (and maybe even Fla, but I'm not counting on it).

• ##### Florida shouldn't be relied on.(2+ / 0-)
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baudelairien, sasatlanta

It's a little too red down here still.

"It's better to vote for what you want, and not get it, than to vote for what you don't want, and get it." Eugene Debs, 1912.

[ Parent ]

• ##### If Clinton is on the ticket, I'll vote for...(0+ / 0-)

Ron Paul!

The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion. --Thomas Paine

• ##### Re: Obama/Clinton(7+ / 0-)

I am against this idea, but I understand why it is being bandied around so much.  Put together his demographics with her demographics, it adds up to a winning coalition.

But this is my reading:  I think his swing voters--independents, Obamacons--would not vote for him if Hillary was on the ticket.  And I think her swing voters--working class whites--would not vote for her if he was on the ticket.

I might be wrong, but I think this ticket might cancel out each other's strengths, rather than being the best of both worlds.

• ##### Great points!(0+ / 0-)

I do think, though, that we have to remember that groups don't vote 100%, and the goal is to get as many from each group that you can.  Some other thoughts on her impact:

1.  I think women will vote for Hillary as VP pretty big because they'll still see the glass ceiling being broken even if not as much, and they'll also appreciate the overture.  I also think female turnout improves with Hillary.
1.  Hispanics will probably also like Hillary on the ticket.
1.  I think Hillary on the ticket will appease a large percentage of her strong supporters regardless of the group they fall in.  It is the best gesture Obama can make to them, and it will make them feel better about him.
1. Young voters is where he is going to be hurt by this.  My 18 year-old nephew says he and many of his friends love Barack, may not vote at all if Hillary is on the ticket.

If it was not for the fact that Democrats have such a large inherent advantage right now, I would be less supportive of Hillary as VP.  But in this environment, I think you get the Dems out and you win!

• ##### If that's grade school algebra, then I(0+ / 0-)

must be as dumb as a second coat of paint. Good work.

Don't Legitimize Fox News.
"Democrats have the heart to care."

• ##### Not gonna happen!(0+ / 0-)

Michelle has given a thumbs down on it. Obama camp said "no" to a Brit. newspaper. This poll simply reflects a desire for Dem. unity. But Clinton on the ticket won't happen.

• ##### Nancy said "no".(1+ / 0-)
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WisVoter

I questioned her judgment when she said that impeachment was off the table.  But with this, she's spot on.

Consign corporatism to the dankest crypt, and assign justice to the highest crag. For A More Perfect Union.

• ##### Do you think we need Bill C...(0+ / 0-)

...at the Naval Observatory?  With nothing to do all day.  Remember, Bubba's mouth is what has turned many off of HRC's presidency. As VP candidate, we still get the media bringing up every old Clinton story, and every R talking point. And she didnt run a very good campaign anyway, what exactly makes her a good VP? Oh yea, she appeals to low-information voters who are closet rascists...a core demographic.

"The dude abides..."

• ##### What a distraction(0+ / 0-)

this would be, the press looking for every percieved crack or strain, or chasing Bill around. Disaster.

"It is not enough to succeed- others must be seen to fail." La Rouchefoucauld

• ##### It won't happen(0+ / 0-)

Hillary stands for everything Barack is trying to change in politics. Why on earth would he choose her?

I would like to see a woman on the ticket, but not this woman.

I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left.

happen

• ##### If Hillary has to be Vice President(1+ / 0-)
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baudelairien

it would be poetic justice for Michelle Obama to become a super-powerful First Lady who is always trying to upstage and outmaneuver the vice president ... and runs for Senate at the end of Barack's two terms.

• ##### I don't know why media(0+ / 0-)

keep pushing this but it is not possible. If for nothing just because HRC said "I wouldn't stay in that church" rather than doing the right thing and saying "I don't believe it is fair to judge anyone on their pastor's words" on O'Reilly. Can you even imagine what Fox will do with that footage?

She played for the top of the ticket and lost.

• ##### Maybe it would be OK if...(0+ / 0-)

...Michelle took over the VP's office in the West Wing, and Hillary's office was moved to another building, just as Hillary tried to do when Bill was elected.