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McCain/Clinton could that be the offspring of the seemingly endless hatred by Obama supporters not only against HRC but her supporters?

You'd think that now that she's basically lost, Obama would NOT be alone in being considerate of her as a person, but judging by online, the typical Obama supporter, QUITE UNLIKE OBAMA, still has a take no prisoners approach to HRC. Their goal now is to humiliate her at the convention, strip her of all influence and say and of course absolutely bar her from the VP slot.

Those who think that idiotic and insane should remember that we almost had KERRY/MCCAIN in 2004.

But in victory, I wonder if Obama supporters can regain some common sense in regards to how to properly treat a vanquished opponent, who DID get 48% of the legal votes (not including Fl. and Mich.) who does have stronger support in key constituencies that the Democrats MUST win in the GENERAL ELECTION, and who could be the one person able to deliver those votes to Obama with the MOST certainty.

SHe is the MOST well-known. No "state focused VP" like Strictland from Ohio can match her, and Strictland can't deliver Clinton voters who feel driven out of the party by their perception of how their candidate has been treated.

(I liked John Edwards).

It IS THE DUTY OF THE VICTOR in Democracies to reach out and FORGIVE and INCLUDE.

Can we all say South Africa, Nelson Mandela?

What would he do. Oh we don't have to ask.

He had DeKlerk serve under him.

The strong desire that so many Obama supporters have to humiliate and degrade her by the the time the convention is done by forcing her to the sidelines and making her a non-entity is truly breathtaking for its lack of political common sense.

How anyone can say it's wise to judge her solely on this primary contest considering her decades long involvement as a strong advocate of many causes the left holds dear is beyond me - oh wait she dares to be pragmatic. That is unforgivable. Like all ideologues, left or right it's "their way or the highway."

While Obama supporters online may think this is the ultimate justice to the vast majority of Americans who are NOT left-wing Democratic activists, this will seem like a huge injustice.

They will NOT get why HRC was basically crucified by her own - and that is what most think. We've had a couple of decades of RW media telling us Clinton is a Lefty's Lefty.

Such poor treatment is the one thing that could neutralize her negatives like nothing else can, and instead turn her into a sympathetic figure, a heroine of sorts for the vast middle who feel grossly mistreated by the elite left and kleptocratic Right.

America dislikes "sore losers" but HATES BAD WINNERS - and that is what Obama supporters are sounding like as they start to celebrate en masse.

Will their punishment be McCain/Clinton?

If Obama's ideologically driven supporters succeed in their goal to reduce her to a "nobody" in the party, they would have forfeited any right they had to her supporting the nominee and her loyalty overall.

why would she remain loyal to the party that declared her decades long involvement as a Democrat as being worthless, declared her persona non grata and by default her Ex-President husband, you remember Bill?

It would NOT be betrayal for her to turn her back on the party that mistreated her so and basically disowned her.

The real irony of this campaign is how the Conservative media have been the ONLY ones to step up and defend her, and thus set the groundwork for McCain to actually ask her, and if she accepted have the party machinery accept her as well

(other than the RW extremists - but they won't support McCain regardless so he risks nothing.)

It's double irony that if Republican voices who've trashed her so badly in the past realize that she is the one thing that can win it for them - they'll swallow the whale with a smile.

Of course, the ideologues won't agree, or will they? They actually clearly feel sympathy for her plight.

Most of all, McCain WOULD FEEL A BOND.

He's dealt with the same thing back in 2000.

No One should be surprised that if the Democrats decide to "humiliate HRC" to find out 2wks later that McCain has asked her to be his running mate, and that she accepted.

Obama may be "change you can believe in"..................But

MCCAIN/CLINTON WOULD BE SOLD AS THE UNITY TICKET UNITING THE VAST MIDDLE and the ticket guaranteed to deliver a Republican victory against all odds - even a bad economy, because it would divorce, divest McCain from the current Republican legacy in a brief second, and promise to do something most Americans fervently wish would happen, force the fringe extremists on the Right and Left off center stage of politics.

It would cement McCain's claim to the title of Maverick beholden to no special interests or ideological wing.

It would be wise to make sure in losing HRC feels wanted and still a central part of the team and strongly pushing for Obama's election as President.

Judging from the comments from Obama's inner circle (NOT OBAMA HIMSELF) that's not likely.

Obama is the ultimate arbiter as the party nominee. Ultimately it will be he who decides how she is treated.

Any excuse along the lines of "I tried" won't cut it. He will have the power, just like Mandela did, and if does not use it to unify by nominating HRC as VP, then by default he will have used his power to divide and set the stage for Democrats to lose an election designed for them to win.

If she is disgraced at the Democratic convention as many core Obama supporters want to happen, then no one should be surprised if 2wks later during the Republithug convention, McCain reveals the unbelievable but true and probably unbeatable ticket of McCain/Clinton-The UNITY TICKET vs. CHANGE you can believe in. Hmmmmm.


Originally posted to JohnnyMorales on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:46 PM PDT.


What do you think will happen if HRC is humiliated, becomes persona non grata at the convention

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  •  OBAMA/JESUS '08 (0+ / 0-)


  •  I'm not sure what control (1+ / 0-)
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    Sen Obama has over us, the netroots.

    What would you have him do?

  •  C'MON....... die hard REPUBS would NEVER (3+ / 0-)
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    MadScientist, gfv6800, llamaRCA

    vote for Clinton on ANY ticket

    If McCain wanted to commit suicide, that would be the way......  He'd LOSE as many votes as he might gain.....

    You'd have Barr getting votes on the Libertarian line and some nutjob running on 'Right-to-Life' or some other line grabbing the religious fundies.....

    Heck... Hillary's already done a pretty damn good job of undermining Obama as is.....  she'd pushed the crazy black pastor meme, played the race card and even the 'elitist' card....

    Seems a bit bizzare.... an elitist black candidate?..... still trying to figure how Chicago trumps Chappaqua

    Hillary's done as much as she can do to help McCain already.... kinda hard to put all that spilt milk back into the bottle.......

  •  This is not true. (0+ / 0-)

    Any excuse along the lines of "I tried" won't cut it. He will have the power, just like Mandela did, and if does not use it to unify by nominating HRC as VP, then by default he will have used his power to divide and set the stage for Democrats to lose an election designed for them to win.

  •  HRC will only be humiliated (0+ / 0-)

    if she humiliates herself.  No one is forcing to continue her brain-dead campaign.  No is forcing to throw more money after the $25 million she is already in debt for.  Hers is just dumb pride.

    With all his noble still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin--Darwin

    by MadScientist on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:09:20 PM PDT

  •  You forgot to include an important poll choice (1+ / 0-)
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    "Who cares?"

    Respect and consideration have to be earned - one must treat others with respect in order to receive respect.

    Hillary Clinton has disrespected Senator Obama at every turn. Remember "hasn't passed the commander-in-chief threshold", "only has a speech", "is not ready on day one"? How is she going to be able to credibly serve as an Obama supporter after remarks like these?

    She has also shown similar disdain for those of us who support him ("Hillary - THE SMART CHOICE". guess that makes me dumb). But wait - I can't be dumb!!! I'm one of those egghead (master's degree) African Americans that her surrogates claim the Democrats no longer need.

    I don't want her disgraced at the convention.  I just want her to exit with the class and dignity she has failed to display during her campaign.

    If she chooses to throw her lot in with John McCain, and destroy whatever credibility she has left in the process, that's her decision.

    "I run the kitchen, so I can stand the heat" - Nikki Giovanni

    by sistermoon on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:14:19 PM PDT

  •  hell hath no fury like a woman scorned? (0+ / 0-)

    is that what you're saying?  yeah, that's what you're saying.  

    I need a shower after reading this diary.

    Hey, I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived! Dear Officer Krupke..

    by bryker on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:48:00 PM PDT

  •  you can't Bully Mr. Obama into giving HRC the VP (0+ / 0-)

    slot so you're trying to get us to convince him?!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA! LOL You're funny!

    I trust Obama to pick whoever he wants to work closely with for 8 long years of fixing what Bush has done to our country.  He's earned the right to make this choice for himself.  He's not going to play the same old games, and HRC's camp should've realized that when he didn't roll over and just let her declare victory before the contest even started, even though that's what she tried to do.

    And, I support Obama and understand completely if HE decides that HRC is not the right choice.  This is His decision and I trust Him completely.

    "In a time of hype, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell

    by erin r on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:59:52 PM PDT

  •  If you were Obama and you had to choose between (0+ / 0-)

    Michelle and Hillary, which would you choose?

    "In a time of hype, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell

    by erin r on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:01:26 PM PDT

  •  Terry? (0+ / 0-)

    Terry McCauliffe?  Is that you?

    "...Abuse of words has been the great instrument of sophistry and chicanery, of party, faction, and division of society..." ~ John Adams

    by sophistry makes me tired on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:06:16 PM PDT

  •  Troll diary alert. Also galloping goalpost moving (0+ / 0-)

        This is a strange diary. The Diarist, whose use of Boldface deserves its own donut, is apparently arguing that O supporters loathe and rain contempt on not just HRC, but on HRC supporters, the O supporters are "crucifying" Hillary, are being grossly unfair in saying that the primary results in thusfar fifty elections in total should overcome  at the convention her allegedly goodspirited work for the Democratic Party over the years and that HRC supporters will rise up if O supporters do not forgive and include,  and she will become McCain's running mate on a unity ticket. Presumably the forgiveness and inclusion is not a matter of courteous treatment at the convention, but is the VP position, although this is not entirely clear.

       This Diary is a troll crock, trying to stir up anxiety in O supporters, and a cutting back of criticism, legitimate and illegitimate both, of a very compromised and self-wounded candidate, and her own out of control supporters, who heap every abuse they can manage on O at websites like talkleft and MyDD. There is in this no suggestion that Hillary supporters should tone down anything. I suppose it is possible this Diarist could actually believe what is posted, but I think not.

       It's a goalpost shifter, in that this troll advocates the O supporters ignore the results of the primary campaign entirely in favor of her alleged experience and loyalty to the party. . . or she will leave the party and join the Repubs and it is the supporters  who will be at fault if she does.  

       It is especially offensive and foolish as it underlines the concerns many Kossacks  already have that Hillary's loyalty to the Democratic Party is purely opportunistic, and that her stance as a Democrat is simply a flag of convenience, to be cast off when no longer useful. A concern which this diary proudly flaunts as truth.

        It's also stupid thinking. The premise is that McCain has no need for the conservative wing of the Republican party and their raging dislike of Hillary, much worse than O supporters, and could and would take on their worst enemy as his running mate, and would take as a running mate a person whose alleged platform is completely inconsistent with his own and who has control issues no Republican VP candidate has - where exactly this poster thinks Bill is going is not stated. In any such hypothesized setup, Hillary would have to take the platform of her Presidential candidate and campaign for it. She would go down as turncoat of the century and would be required to advocate his right to life position, his privatize social security provision, his war for a hundred years position. . . and she'd do it. I don't like her candidacy and even I am not this crazy.

      Courtesy has a place, but the fact is that the HRC supporters who live in what the cables tonight called a strange place called Hillaryland in which she and they are perfect and O is a 'boy,' are already displacing their own angers onto the race in a truly inappropriate way, which he never even refers to.

      This is a post no one should hold against Hillary. This diarist is way out there, on his own.

      I'm still stuck in the 20th Century before Bill Gates. If I had a picture of a cat to post, I would. And a picture of a donut. Help, colleagues, with that please.  

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