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Pentagon documents released by the Defense Department and posted at its website show that White House officials, including Karl Rove, were aware of the domestic propaganda program under which the DoD coached retired military "analysts" to parrot administration views in television and radio appearances on all the major networks. The Smith-Mundt Act prohibits the federal government from appropriating funds to influence public opinion in the United States. On April 30th George Bush's spokeswoman Dana Perino falsely stated that the WH was unaware of the propaganda program.

The April 20th NYT story on the Pentagon's domestic propaganda by David Barstow has been ignored by nearly all the networks, evidently because they don't care to explain why they gave voice to and employed government propagandists. On April 30th Dana Perino finally was asked whether the WH knew about and approved the Pentagon program. Perino tried to duck the question, but blogger Eric Brewer pressed for an answer: "Did the White House know about the operation?" Perino's response: "I just said: no."

That's false as Glenn Greenwald shows by citing two of the emails the Pentagon was forced to release relating to its program. Both emails were sent by Pentagon official Dallas Lawrence in 2006.

The first email (6137) (PDF) refers to a draft proposal to fly several of the "analysts"/propagandists to Iraq and Afghanistan for dog and pony shows (a proposal that was to be sent to Asst. Sec. of Defense for Public Affairs Dorrance Smith). In the May 23, 2006 email, Lawrence asked that Afghanistan be excluded from the final proposal so that, if that leg of the trip falls through, "we (you) wont find yourself having to explain why it didn't happen after he [i.e. Smith] briefed it to karl at the weekly meeting". That appears to be a reference to weekly briefings given to Karl Rove in which Rove was apprised of the Pentagon's plans under the propaganda program.

The second email (6548) (PDF), from March 16 2006, refers to a conference call for "our retired military analysts" that was intended "to get them on message heading into the weekend on Iraqi troop strength, advances, etc." One anonymous DoD official, who said that he/she would instead be attending a speech by National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, received this followup email from Lawrence:

Sounds great. I'd love to see if we oculd [sic] get them in with potus as well (I think that was submitted to karl and company from dorrance smith last week).

That clearly is a reference to Karl Rove. Notice that Lawrence not only believes that Dorrance Smith was coordinating the domestic propaganda program with the White House through Rove, but he appears to think there is nothing implausible or unusual about it.

Congress ought to consider whether the White House's complicity in criminal activity has been exposed with these documents.

It's not as if this were a domestic propaganda program on a trivial scale or directed toward insignificant issues. By means of the Nexis database, Media Matters has shown that since Jan. 1, 2002 the "analysts"/propagandists named in Barstow's article...

...collectively appeared or were quoted as experts more than 4,500 times on ABC, ABC News Now, CBS, CBS Radio Network, NBC, CNN, CNN Headline News, Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC, and NPR in segments covering the Iraq war both before and after the invasion, as well as numerous other national security or government policy issues.

They sold the invasion and occupation of Iraq to the American public like so much soap. No amount of silence from the news networks, no lies from the Bush administration, can wash away that stain.


See also the diary by atrexler.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:10 PM PDT.

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  •  Holyyyyyyyyyyyyy FUCK (23+ / 0-)

    if this isn't an impeachable offense, I don't know what is

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! - President Merkin Muffley

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:12:52 PM PDT

    •  Of course they knew about it... (6+ / 0-)

      The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion. --Thomas Paine

      by David Kroning on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:16:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I was about to say the same thing, nt (2+ / 0-)
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        agnostic, El Tomaso

        Life is a journey whether you choose a path, or the path chooses you.

        by Dopusopus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:37:14 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  K N E W ? (3+ / 0-)
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          skyounkin, kurt, El Tomaso


          the military SERVES the WHITE HOUSE, not the other way around.

          Anyone, meteor blades included, who would wait for evidence of the source of the orders, will get cold, die, and be buried in dust before they find that proof. I suggest a reality check. the office of the president = commander in chief.
          B I N G O .  how much more evidence does one need to determine who the hell authorized anything, any step, any decision, made by the military chosen by Rummie and Bush?

          To fully understand Christianity's duplicity, first recognize that the Vatican's St. Peter's Square is actually an oval.

          by agnostic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:49:41 PM PDT

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          •  knew (2+ / 0-)
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            agnostic, El Tomaso

            you'd be surprised what the pentagon does without the knowledge of the WH. But in this case it obviously a lie.

          •  Once again, you can make the claim ... (0+ / 0-)

            ...and I'll agree that this probably came from the White House. Certainly, one can argue that the White House was responsible, that is, Mister Bush was responsible, because he is the Commander-in-Chief. However, as you know, Mafia chieftains and presidents like to put some distance between themselves and "wet work" as well as other illegal activities.

            Bush (or Cheney in his place) may have said the equivalent do what you have to do but don't give me any details. Or may have been more direct, signing off verbally (not likely in writing or on tape, of course, they learned from Nixon) on somebody's plan. But tracking down the smoking gun is honorable work. And while individuals can say BUSH AUTHORIZED THIS, those who are doing the tracking undermine their credibility when they say I KNOW THIS IS TRUE before they actually have evidence in hand.

            Woodward and Bernstein didn't start by saying Nixon did it. But that's where their work ultimately led.

            Like a cyclone, imperialism spins across the globe; militarism crushes peoples and sucks their blood like a vampire. K. Liebknecht

            by Meteor Blades on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:47 PM PDT

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            •  MB, I would be honored to (1+ / 0-)
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              meet thee meat in Austinite arenas.

              (sorry, I still go back to blacksmithing terms, all too often.  When you get the iron red hot, shape it, smooth it, scratch off the scale with a hard wire brush, and reheat for more shaping, always concerned about the number of heats, the cooling, thinning, and temper of the final steel, well, the humor also gets ember hot, forged in sweat, and . . . . eh, forget it. But still you get the point. Blacksmithing lawyers have weird senses of humor, for a start. ((oh, and big hammers)) )

              I KNOW that we agree on several points:

              a) the administration authorized crimes, unconstitutional spying and more, since BEFORE 9/11, on many, many levels.

              b) The gitmo / abu ghraib military trials are not just an embarrassment, they are a fraud, a crime of their own, and reminiscent of  the purge trials in Mao's China, or Stalin's USSR.

              c) we have no magic link, no smoking memo, no e-mail, no confirming witless, no hard evidence of how domestic surveillance, domestic propaganda, or worse (and I believe there was far worse) and therefore the fine forensic work of the OP and you and others is not only important, but superb, respected and worthy of applause, support, time, commitment, money, and more. Forensic investigations are critical, but always time consuming. We cannot ignore the constitutional timeframes for elections.

              d) when trying to determine the full 3-D view, facets, weight, size, looks, tusk length, penis circumference, and more,  of a rampaging elephant, by simply, and only  viewing the tracks left in the dust; round, deep, and ancient, -  it  gives you few interesting, but way too few clues about the huge animal that is your enemy.

              Tell you what. I will buy the first 3 rounds. Let's compare notes, let's let our hair down, let's invite anyone who has an interest, and let's discuss and compare the different approaches to solve this riddle. I suspect that we agree far more than we disagree. Plus, I do have this urge to meet a cool writer and talk brass and tacks.


              Here are my descriptions of differing approaches to our problem:

              a) forensic actions (like those of the OP and others)
              b) detective work (which may or may not rely on the OP's careful and respected work)
              c) general analysis, good enough to at least go public
              d) bloggers, having enough supportable points to make a political stink.
              e) other.

              professionally, I have relied on all 5 choices, and each has its own advantages, and deficits.

              If you agree, can Meteor Blades and Pastor Agnostic  hold drinking and meeting of the minds - a live, unaired, one on one, talk to well, just talk?

              To fully understand Christianity's duplicity, first recognize that the Vatican's St. Peter's Square is actually an oval.

              by agnostic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:57:51 PM PDT

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    •  Imagine if the Bush administration put as much... (7+ / 0-)

      ...creative energy into faithfully executing the law (as they are chartered by the Constitution) as they do into circumventing it.  These are incredibly determined characters.

      We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

      by CA Libertarian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:21:38 PM PDT

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    •  Rough week for the Pentagon, eh? (2+ / 0-)
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      Gitmo judge bars Pentagon official from trial........
      Gitmo judge bars Pentagon official from trial -

      Nadler Grills the Torture Team with An Eye to Prosecute
      Lou Dubose: Nadler Grills The Torture Team With An Eye To Prosecute - Off The Bus on The Huffington Post

      ain't no wonder Bush is out trying to charm his surfs.

    •  Agreed. But is it really (1+ / 0-)
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      El Tomaso

      a surprise, given what we know about Bush's other crimes?

      Our economy is a house of cards. Don't breathe.

      by Youffraita on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:14 PM PDT

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    •  the list of impeachable offenses gets longer..n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
      Give to Populista's Obamathon 2.0!

      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:15:19 PM PDT

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    •  The generals admitted they were tools from day 1 (0+ / 0-)

      I heard them talking about Pentagon briefings when they appeared on television.  They all pretty much admitted it.  Where were the rest of you?  I mean come on.

    •  "White House knew of the Pentagon domestic (0+ / 0-)

      propaganda"  Surely this title is snark, right?  You expected something different?  Like the Pentagon wouldn't be politicized like the Justice Department or the EPA, or Homeland Security,  and every other department in the Executive Branch?

      It's not an impeachable offense, but only because the Congress chooses not to impeach.  Now why is that, I wonder?

      With all his noble still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin--Darwin

      by MadScientist on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:28:41 PM PDT

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  •  Color me surprised. (10+ / 0-)


    I can't wait for this nightmare of an administration to end.

    "It's not just enough to change the players. We've gotta change the game." ~ Obama

    by madame defarge on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:13:16 PM PDT

    •  Oh no, I'm so shocked. (2+ / 0-)
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      Not. At. All.

      Just when you think there's a line somewhere that they might not have crossed, if not because of ethical scruples, then maybe just from running out of energy after breaking all the other rules ... no they find more sleazy things to do!

    •  It's all we can do, isn't it? I mean, our (1+ / 0-)
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      elected representatives, who have the power to enforce the law and hold the President accountable for crimes, have proven that they have no desire to defend the Constitution and begin impeachment proceedings.  Our media has abdicated what used to be their precious calling toward investigation and toward informing the public of facts and background.  Nothing that long ago should have brought this nightmare to an end, has yet done so, nor will it during the coming months.  It will be up to us, the voters, to end it at the voting booth where we prevent John McCain from becoming the 44th President of these United States.  And as we wait until November, how many hundreds of US servicepeople will be either maimed or killed in Bush's Iraq "war"?

  •  At the very least (6+ / 0-)

    there should be hearings on this, with all the names listed above subpoenaed to testify.

    "I cherished my hate like a badge of moral superiority." - Mark Rudd

    by Bob Love on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:13:17 PM PDT

  •  Break the law, go to jail (18+ / 0-)

    Violate your oath of office, get impeached.

    This is the most corrupt, cynical, disgusting excuse for a government ever.

    I long for the good old days where church was the place where we sang hymns and slept. (After Paula Poundstone)

    by captainlaser on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:13:29 PM PDT

    •  Break the law go to Gitmo (4+ / 0-)

      What is good for the Goose...

      Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

      by Shhs on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:18:29 PM PDT

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    •  Most of us gave them a pass - they're stupid, (1+ / 0-)
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      El Tomaso

      but we were wrong - they are criminals and have always known that everything they are doing is unethical and not in the best interest of our Country.

      We were partly complicit by allowing them to get away with murder because they were so stupid. It turns out that the ones that were fooled were US! (and having it worst than the lucky ones that will live to try to get this Country back on track are the tens of thousands US Military dead/injured that will never have a chance to contribute to reconstructing our Country, as well as the millions of Iraqis that are either dead or have had thei lives/homes destroyed).

      They were not stupid at all. They are criminals and a war crimes tribunal is the least that we can have to honor the lives of the Military men/women/families that had their lives destroyed for this criminal Administration.

      Rove is a key player in all that.  This Siegelman case is just the tip of the iceberg.

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:57:45 PM PDT

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  •  Another WHIG production? (9+ / 0-)

    The same White House Iraq Group that discussed outing Valerie Plame was almost certainly behind this domestic propaganda program.  I'll eat my keyboard if it wasn't.

    What did the WHIG do for all those months, anyway?  I sincerely hope a FOIA request is in an advanced stage somewhere.

    Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

    by Dallasdoc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:13:31 PM PDT

  •  Unbelievable that this blatant law-breaking (9+ / 0-)

    is not treated as the impeachable offense it is.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:13:59 PM PDT

    •  I type too slow - (2+ / 0-)
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      El Tomaso, CA Libertarian

      while I was thinking this, about 4 people said the same thing.  Which I suppose just goes to show that it IS one of the more glaring aspects of this whole pathetic situation.  

      I suppose we'll see a few strongly worded letters, though.  Sigh.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:15:41 PM PDT

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    •  As much as I'd LOVE to see them impeached... (5+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, nathguy, moose67, El Tomaso, plok

      it's not gonna happen now.  At best, this is all good fodder against Grampy McNasty in November.

      After that, I hope like hell the bastards get tried for war crimes.  

      "It's not just enough to change the players. We've gotta change the game." ~ Obama

      by madame defarge on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:21:07 PM PDT

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      •  Alas, since the actual perps (4+ / 0-)
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        madame defarge, shiobhan, El Tomaso, plok

        are getting off without so much as a slap on the wrist ... it's unlikely that this'll get much traction against the alleged maverick who had less to do with it.

        But I suppose some snappy ads could be made, juxtaposing McSame's war-mongering tough talk with quotes explaining the illegal progaganda.  

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:24:25 PM PDT

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    •  Well, it would help (2+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, El Tomaso

      if we could get better coverage of the story as well as good public information about the legalites. Here's what I know:

      1. Many Americans knew full well the WMD story was bunk. Or they did not care.
      1. Most Americans assume that there is organized lying at the highest levels of the governemnt (via news), and that all the lines are tapped.

      So as with so many other things out there, Americans are desensitized to criminality. This is why it is so important for media to set the tone in these areas. It's very easy for them to do, they should do it. They hired these liars, and they should own up to it. This is a great opportunity to adress many wrongs perpetuated on us.

      McCain thinks you belong to Hamas.

      by plok on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:37:15 PM PDT

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  •  This white house has (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, El Tomaso

    been so disconnected, clear skies means let the polluters male the rules, healthy forests means no tree left behind.  <sigh>

    Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts, hot ashes for trees, hot earth for a cool breeze?

    by minerva1157 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:14:18 PM PDT

  •  They figure if they break EVERY single law... (7+ / 0-)

    ...then it'll be okay?

    I still think this is small potatoes compared to torture, but - hey - if it sticks, that's great.

    We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

    by CA Libertarian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:14:20 PM PDT

  •  Oh if only Congress had some means to try Bushco (9+ / 0-)

    Damn. They should have put something in the constitution that allowed Congress to try and convict a President that breaks the law.

    Now all congress can do is sit on their hands.

    Gosh golly gee whiz.

    •  Congress can't impeach Bush or Cheney (7+ / 0-)

      That would inhibit their ability to execute their ever-expanding executive authority.

      Anyone know what Obama has said about laying out the crimes of this administration in the clear light of day for all Americans to see and for history to acknowledge?

      Sharks will save the Earth from climate change. Sharkwater

      by trmasonic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:17:25 PM PDT

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      •  Here's what I found... (7+ / 0-)

        Obama would ask his AG to "immediately review" potential of crimes in Bush White House

        Here's another one from Salon:
        Would Obama investigate the Bush gang?

        Maybe with Edwards as the AG...this could get good.

        "It's not just enough to change the players. We've gotta change the game." ~ Obama

        by madame defarge on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:23:58 PM PDT

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        •  Obama has to walk a fine line whether we like it (1+ / 0-)
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          or not. If he wants to get anything else done.

          Thanks for the link. The best line is where Obama says he would need to determine the difference between "genuine crimes and bad policy". That will be tough with this administration. Could take the whole first term.

          His comments in full:

          What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve.

          So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it.

          Sharks will save the Earth from climate change. Sharkwater

          by trmasonic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:52:30 PM PDT

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    •  Hey watch the language, fella (0+ / 0-)


      Bush/Cheney knew if they pushed or passed all the limits under the war authorization that not even a simple majority of Dems could do anything about it.
      It makes impeachment for war crimes impossible! This has to be adressed! This is a fundamental flaw!

      McCain thinks you belong to Hamas.

      by plok on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:02 PM PDT

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  •  They were all complicit to varying degrees. n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Dick Cheney Yeah So! nt (0+ / 0-)

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:16:06 PM PDT

  •  With Leaders Like These ... (3+ / 0-)
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    Who needs a Constitution?

    Oh, wait ...

    " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

    by Lavocat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:16:26 PM PDT

  •  It's a good thing there's gonna be 400 or so Dems (7+ / 0-)

    in congress come january because they will need that many to chair all the necessary investigating committees looking into the last 8 years of Bush/Cheney law violations and corruption!

    Support democracy at home and abroad, join the ACLU & Amnesty International and Your voice is needed!

    by tnichlsn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:18:14 PM PDT

  •  That's my Bushie! n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Did you know that Obama is responsible for everything ever uttered by a black person and any supporter? Obama-Taking on the sins of the world since 1/03/08.

    by Shhs on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:18:54 PM PDT

  •  Pardon me, but I call B U L L S H I T (8+ / 0-)

    on the topic and the content.

    Sure, there are great links to docs and more, all of which point to something, but from the very start, the focus is on the wrong people.

    It is not that the WH "knew" about it, it bloody well directed it.

    To fully understand Christianity's duplicity, first recognize that the Vatican's St. Peter's Square is actually an oval.

    by agnostic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:19:23 PM PDT

    •  Respectfully, I disagree with this ... (7+ / 0-)

      ..."bullshit." Yes, most of us probably think this psyops project was directed by the White House. And it probably was. But we don't yet know this for certain.

      To denigrate those bloggers and others who are sifting through the thousands of pages of documents and audiotapes released by the Pentagon in an effort to determine exactly who knew what when and who did what how and for whom is itself bullshit.

      The search is for proof. The evidence is becoming clearer. Don't trash the people who are ferreting it out and presenting it as we learn more.

      Like a cyclone, imperialism spins across the globe; militarism crushes peoples and sucks their blood like a vampire. K. Liebknecht

      by Meteor Blades on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:33:33 PM PDT

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      •  Wish I could give you 2 mojos for that (0+ / 0-)

        but, heck, you don' need none of my stinkin' mojo!

      •  well said, MB, well said. (0+ / 0-)

        and my denigration stems from a conviction based on years of evidence, in every field, on every issue, and involving every department, commission, agency, and federal entity.

        Silly me. Thinking that if the last 144 elephants quacked like ducks, flew like ducks, stunk up the lawn like ducks, swam, looked and tasted like ducks, it is my fault to denigrate yet one more elephant in the sky as a fucking duck.

        I was not denigrating the diarist. Rather, I was suggesting, in my curmudgeonly, sarcastic, slightly myopic and surly  fashion, that while shells are falling, bombs exploding, earthquakes shaking, cyclones blowing, and the GOP imploding,  (ahem) the time for subtlety might just possibly be  over.

        To fully understand Christianity's duplicity, first recognize that the Vatican's St. Peter's Square is actually an oval.

        by agnostic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:40:29 PM PDT

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  •  Now watch this drive! (2+ / 0-)
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    Raging in enthusiastic support of the machine since January, 2008

    by abw on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:19:30 PM PDT

  •  Duh -- September 2003 Andy Card (1+ / 0-)
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    El Tomaso

    said that you don't introduce a new product in August.  Anyone -- and I do mean anyone -- that didn't see in Sept '03 that the WH and Pentagon were selling a war as if it were a crappy consumer product, has the advertising IQ of an ten year old.

    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

    by Marie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:20:49 PM PDT

  •  Pathetic (5+ / 0-)

    "No amount of silence from the news networks, no lies from the Bush administration, can wash away that stain."

    Sadly you are wrong.  The media will not speak of it because of their complicity. The Congress is already way past derelict in its duties and won't impeach.  No on in power will want a fellow Beltway insider to actually see the inside of a jail cell (witness Scooter Libby).  The next (hopefully Obama) administration will want to get on with the business of future governance and won't look back.  This stain won't even show up in a couple weeks.  

  •  Far too many members of the Media (3+ / 0-)
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    shiobhan, El Tomaso, dogheaven

    wanted Iraq Invaded.

    The Top dogs knew it would be a ratings bonanza.

    The Sales People knew it would mean bonuses all around

    "We will be back to the war with a message from our sponsor"

    The Correspondents knew it was a chance to cement reputations
    (Who was Peter Arnett and Wolf Blitzer before Gulf One?)

    And the Neo-cons like Judy Miller?
    It was a chance to carry out the conspiracy

    George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

    by nathguy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:21:52 PM PDT

  •  And how would this be received in a Dem admin? (4+ / 0-)

    We don't even have to ask.

    Actually, the only even remotely silver lining in this tragedy is that BushCo can be used as Exhibit A when Democrats do anything even remotely questionable. I mean, there's nothing illegal or unconstitutional that BushCo didn't do.

  •  It's what this bunch of criminals DO. (1+ / 0-)
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    They sold the invasion and occupation of Iraq to the American public like so much soap.

    They've got the corporate attitude and a huge marketing budget. They figure out how to sell what they produce. They produce things that profit the corporate elite and the corporate elite fund them. Their policies pull money up out of the lower 90% of Americans and give it to the corporate elite, who then divide-up the spoils between the various partners.

    These modern Republicans are very good at getting into office, but then are very bad for America and most Americans.

    -- We are just regular people informed on issues

    by mike101 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:26:40 PM PDT

  •  Does this really violate smith mundt (2+ / 0-)
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    concernedamerican, shirah

    I don't know everything about but I looked at this link.

    It says this

    Smith Mundt's most controversal component is contained in Section 501. Section 501 authorized the government to disseminate information about the United States and its policies abroad. However, it also prohibited the dissemination of that same information domestically. According to 501, material produced for foreign production can only be released domestically "for examination only." An act of Congress is required to free a program for domestic release in less than 12 years. USIA's John F. Kennedy: Years of Lightning, Day of Drums (1965) was the first film that Congress approved for domestic release. 1.

    The Smith-Mundt ban on domestic propaganda has been broadened over the years by subsequent legislation. The Foreign Relations Authorization Act of 1972 amended the Smith-Mundt Act to include a ban on disseminating within the United States any "information about the United States, its people, and its policies" prepared for dissemination abroad. The Zorinsky Amendment added a new prohibition: "no funds authorized to be appropriated to the United States Information Agency shall be used to influence public opinion in the United States, and no program material prepared by the United States Information Agency shall be distributed within the United States."

    None of this is necessarily prepared for an audience abroad. One could say that the White House Press Briefings violate the act with the logic I think is being applied here.

    It's the constitution, stupid

    by CTMET on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:28:31 PM PDT

  •  Once again, where's Olbermann on this? (3+ / 0-)
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    Phil S 33, Dinclusin, moose67

    You'd think it would be worthy of a "Special Comment."

    "Can I just ask a question? What is Fox News, it's just a Parade of Propaganda, isn't it? It's just a Festival of Ignorance." --Lee Camp, FOX News guest

    by twalling on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:28:33 PM PDT

  •  Has anyone , anywhere asked John McCain about his (2+ / 0-)
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    moose67, dogheaven

    take on this? I hope Obama brings it up at an early opportunity in one of their debates.

  •  Illegal! (3+ / 0-)
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    shirah, shiobhan, moose67

    Feinstein asked Gonzo about illegal propaganda once during a confirmation hearing. So it's not like the concept is completely alien to folks on the Hill. Perhaps we'll hear more talk like this in future hearings.
    It sure would be nice to get some widely pulicized apologies from the dolts who hired these stooges, though. America could use a crash course/refresher course on the Smith-Mundt Act and GAO restrictions on illegal government propaganda.

    McCain thinks you belong to Hamas.

    by plok on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:30:47 PM PDT

  •  There is a nice circularity here (1+ / 0-)
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    We the taxpayers get to pay lots of money just for the purpose of giving these guys street cred so they can come back and lie to us. So we then will support the administration's position for way too many Friedmans.

    By the way, not to be paranoid, but I think something like this goes on in other areas. I notice in the election coverage, for example, there is an orthodoxy that is all we hear about tactics and outcomes - from almost all media outlets.

    And before that, the only pundits we were allowed to hear from about the economy - up until past the time it was crashing - were insisting that things were not just fine but the best they have ever been.

  •  Oh! THAT Propoganda Program! (1+ / 0-)
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    That's old news! Move along, nothing to see.

    Remember, THEY hate us for our Freedom! The freedom for the President to do as he damn well pleases.

    by Tuba Les on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:33:54 PM PDT

  •  Knew it??? They f'ng ORCHESTRATED IT. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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  •  How legal is it... (0+ / 0-)

    to leave our national security in the hands of Karl Rove?  Am I crazy?

    "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they kill, there would be no more wars." - Abbie Hoffman

    by Jensequitur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:49:48 PM PDT

  •  Right Now, Deep in a Pentagon SCIF (0+ / 0-)

    someone from public affairs is pounding on a table and yelling: "We need another Karl. Find me someone else named Karl!"

  •  It just keeps getting ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... AWFUL by the minute!

  •  knew? of course they knew! (0+ / 0-)

    aren't they responsible for it?

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
    Give to Populista's Obamathon 2.0!

    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:55:58 PM PDT

  •  Someone needs to ask (0+ / 0-)

    if this program and the following media fiascos around Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman are related. ANd if The Bush Administrations claims of executive privelege in the Tillman case are related as well.

  •  Why is this not getting press? (0+ / 0-)

    Easy answer - the Obama/Clinton continuing campaign is taking all the air space that would normally go to these type of stories.

  •  Fast Forward... (0+ / 0-)

    Nothing happens to these cretins, again.

  •  Congress act? Don't make me laugh (1+ / 0-)
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    Congress won't do anything about this, and everyone knows it.  Do you think the WH would have done this if they thought there was even a 1% chance they would go to jail.  They knew that even if caught that nothing will happen, and nothing will.

    This will be just another controversy of the week and be forgotten by Monday.

  •  thanks for keeping us informed (1+ / 0-)
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    it's frustrating that the msm won't report on this subversion of the Constitution by the Bushies. I appreciate those of you who are working to keep this important story alive.

  •  Focus on the Generals and the $$$ (1+ / 0-)
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    Pete Rock

    Forget the Bushies and the current Congress, they are hopeless.

    Focus on the Generals who took the money and did not disclose their instructions or the receipt of the money.  

    There are Generals who are out there who do have Ethics and know such conduct is below the acceptable standard for such officers.  

    Create a Hall of Shame for those who were and are on the take and did not disclose.  

    The public shaming of such officers in the propaganda machine and on the take should be the focus.

  •  What say (0+ / 0-)

    you now, Nancy? Still believe that impeachment should remain "off the table".

    The Bush cabal has been caught using American taxpayer's money to spread propaganda. It seems fairly clear, to me, that the path is decided. What we will now await, is the decision to begin the walk down that path. Ms. Pelosi?

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:01 PM PDT

  •  Hang this around McCain's neck, too. How many (0+ / 0-)

    times has he quoted the Military as if they were intelligent?

  •  Documents released to NYT (0+ / 0-)

    Here is a link
    that lists the documents provided to the NYT about the military analysts. I'm at work, and don't have a chance to peruse them. But I thought some, here, might be interested.


  •  The problem is.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Those officials charged with protecting our Constituttion and us from this choose to ignore it.

    People wonder why this enrages me.  Wish a few of you intellectuals would join me in rage.

    Bush lied and our soldiers...and 100's of thousands of Iraqis whose major crime was to have had the misfortune of being born in Iraq...died.

    You friggin' okay with that????  Evidently, our elected officials...I understand the Repugs...could give a shit less since it is not their children paying the bleeding and dying costs.

    Many of you make fun of this position.  Fuck you!!!!

    May God Bless our troops wherever they are. Best regards, El Tomaso

    by El Tomaso on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:54 PM PDT

    •  This is why the good folks must not quit (1+ / 0-)
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      El Tomaso

      You are right and this is why the good folks must not quit untill all these Bushies are out and ruined.  Scooter was just a start.

    •  El Tomaso - not that many here (0+ / 0-)

      michael, et al...just keep hammering this .

      The Department of Justice has been converted into an
      office for  covering up the crimes of the connected repugs. It also has been used in certain states to screw Democrats where a good coordination could be worked out with a craven on the take,  bribed loyal Republican thug justice who saw the benefit to the Party by taking down a political opponent. This would have become much more widespread except for the defensive actions needed after November of 2006.

      There is no agency, no office, untouched undefiled, untainted by their work.  The Pentagon domestic propaganda team was a natural extension of what they did overseas and in other settings.

        Such as publishing Arabic newspapers or funding them covertly to shill for the various  parties that have closer ties with the US Embassy and military.

      That is how Iraq's Dawa gets a leg up, and certain militias do, too. Theae agents have relatively weak ties of their own, but a generous helping of cash and untraceable funds of other sorts helps lubricate and keep that part of the machine going.  They buy everybody. The mercenaries who were retired officers are anxious to cash in, because it is all they have known and a retired officer is still useful to the gang.

       They rely on most Americans having a very shallow understanding of how deep, vile and heading straight to Hell this ugliness is. That and the media silence as a permanent feature.

      McCain: Unlike most Repub licans, he HAS dropped bombs on a people and country that did not attack America. It fits: Warmonger

      by Pete Rock on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:30:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Oh, but those documents are on RNC mailservers... (0+ / 0-)

    Oh, that documetation?  Oh well you know, those conversations with Karl were on RNC servers...

    If you listen closely, you can almost hear the orchestra of magnets being run over the hard drives in the west wing right now.... again.

    Lets hope Kerry's inquisition to the scope of this gets some judiciary teeth.  I for one am not holding my breath.  Its not like we need to build additional evidence for impeachment at this point.  The question is if we're going to be galvanized  to do something about it, and if our elected leadership is going to start exercising its long overdue use of checks and balances.

    We are after all, still debating FISA and granting telecom immunity.

    Torture is still apparently, 'legal.'

    We're still in Iraq on the premise of WMDs and Bin Laden ties.  We're still voting to fund it.


  •  White House knew... (2+ / 0-)
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    Man in the Middle, El Tomaso

    "White House knew of the Pentagon domestic propaganda program "


    So what else is new?

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    is not only a stain.  It is not only an outrage.  It is a high crime and as so it merits impeachment.

    This is a fact.

  •  Oh, ya think? (0+ / 0-)

    I am shocked.  Shocked.

    "Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected." - Red Buttons

    by Man in the Middle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:10:35 PM PDT

  •  File this under (0+ / 0-)

    no freaking shit........


  •  One more proof for impeachment (0+ / 0-)

    People, people.  Haven't we learned yet these guys should be in jail. As the days and weeks go by and we get closer to the end of this criminal administration, we will continue to find out more and more about the illegalities they accomplished.  This was all orchestrated from the start.  In order to steal the treasury, they needed a war.  Their corporate partners in crime would get contracts and the corporate media would be silent about the corruption and the manner in which the American taxpayers money would be stolen.  They have left this country in ruin.  This was their plan all along.  
    Imagine how much more we would discover if all the supposedly lost emails would be revealed. So many proofs, so many lies, when is this Congress going to stop everything and begin impeachment procedures?  When is this Congress going to start fighting for the Constitution?  Perhaps they are being threatened or blackmailed...??  They have been listening to all the Senators' and Congress members' conversations and emails so perhaps they have stuff on them.  
    We need some members of Congress to get moxy and stand up to this administration.
    We all must support each and every one of them D's so they can act for us.
    Let's begin the verbal revolution and take our country back.

    Citizen worried that the right wing nuts are drowning the constitution in the bathtub.

    by naturalized citizen on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:34:02 PM PDT

  •  So what (0+ / 0-)

    No one is going to do anything about it so why get worked up about it. I am curious as to why bush and co. still keep secrets. When they come out no one does anything about it.

  •  Well, duh! (0+ / 0-)

    Of course the White House knew.  Why is anybody surprised?

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