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Welcome back for more Obama v.p speculation. We are down to eight candidates in our current elimination series, begun six threads ago with fourteen of the top average vote-getters from my v.p. polls so far.

Once again we'll take away one chair and stop the music with your votes to see who will remain tomorrow. You still may and should feel free to discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments, hence the name open thread. The correct format would be to simply state their name, unless you have further comments, in which case, "I believe ___ ___ should be Obama's v.p. running mate because..."

This poll won't be expanding or including new names until this elimination series has finished up, but feel free to suggest any new names for then. There's still enough room to turn all the options over a few more times. My current plan is to test a few names I haven't yet in the first post-elimination poll in a week or so, definitely including Fmr. Vice President Al Gore (TN), Fmr. Sen. Bob Graham (FL), Rep. Joe Sestak (PA) and Fmr. Gov. Mark Warner (VA), and also re-running some previously tested names who didn't do as well as some others so far. Then I'll reaverage and run the top choices overall the next day.

(continued below the fold)

The original field was:

Sen. Sherrod Brown (OH)
Gen. (Ret.) Wesley Clark (AR)
Fmr. Sen. John Edwards (NC)
Sen. Russ Feingold (WI)
Sen. Chuck Hagel (NE)
Gov. Tim Kaine (VA)
Fmr. Gov. Ray Mabus (MS)
Sen. Claire McCaskill (MO)
Gov. Janet Napolitano (AZ)
Fmr. Sen. Sam Nunn (GA)
Gov. Bill Richardson (NM)
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (KS)
Gov. Ted Strickland (OH)
Sen. Jim Webb (VA)

Fmr. Gov. Ray Mabus (MS), Sen. Sherrod Brown (OH), Govs. Janet Napolitano (AZ) and Ted Strickland (OH) and Sen. Claire McCaskill (MO) were previously eliminated, and averaging yesterday's votes into the total votes means that Fmr. Sen. Sam Nunn (GA), my personal favorite, has now been eliminated as well.

My next personal favorite remains Fmr. Sen. John Edwards (NC).

Please cast your vote, speculate away, offer new names or general ideas about how Barack Obama should pick his running mate and who it should be. Again, "You're stupid for not including..." ain't nice. Promote your own candidates all you like, but yes, I've probably thought about them, and if they're not listed in the poll today, they may be back soon, after this elimination series has concluded.

Hope everybody's having a great Memorial Day weekend and getting psyched and ready to elect Barack Obama our next president! Looks like the Libertarians are going to pitch in and help Barr another Bush term under McCain's letterhead, too. This is clearly a much more concretely patriotic move than the Constitution Party's flat rejection of Alan Keyes, but then again, who could really wish him on anybody?

Thanks,

Alex
Choose Our President 2008

Originally posted to ourprez08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:00 PM PDT.

Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

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  •  I'm a little late to this game, but has Biden (4+ / 0-)

    been eliminated?  I think he fits the "attack dog" personality better than about anyone I could think of.  I'm voting for Tim Kaine on your list though.  Thanks.

    'Who ever heard of superdelegates till a black guy was in the race?' -Chris Rock

    by nicweb on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:04:07 PM PDT

    •  I haven't done Biden (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      peace voter

      mainly because he's had brain surgery twice, he never really recovered his national reputation after his '88 Kinnock plagiarism scandal, he says weirdly racist things once in a while (though I do not think he is a racist at heart) and he helped out with the horrendous bankruptcy bill sponsored by the credit card companies of his home state, Delaware, which we're already going to win.

      There has been a lot of interest in him, though, so I may have to put him up after this series. I mean, anti-choice conservative Republican Chuck Hagel keeps scoring pretty well, so maybe I'm the one who's out of touch. It's certainly possible, and has happened before....

      Alex
      Choose Our President 2008

      •  My mom adores Biden (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        ourprez08, mangusta, mommaK, jandress

        mostly because she remembers when we were living in Delaware he was the youngest senator ever elected-- he came of age in between the election and the swearing in, and in that same two-month window he lost his family in a car accident.

        He's overcome a lot, and voters like that.

        -9.0, -8.3. Socialized medicine, not "universal coverage". Public transit, not "35 mpg".

        by SensibleShoes on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:15:33 PM PDT

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      •  I Think You (2+ / 0-)
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        ourprez08, mangusta

        present some valid reasons to eliminate him, but he certainly should be included in the poll.  Let the people decide Alex, let the people decide.  :D

        Hagel's interesting.  I don't think VP is for him, but he should play some role in Obama's administration imo.    

        •  I agree with your sentiments about Hagel. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          ourprez08

          Interesting but not close enough on most issues for VP.  His name has been tossed about as a Defense Secretary, but I wonder if he really has the credentials for that position, given that he's been out of his military role for a long time now.

          He belongs in the Obama coalition somehow, but I'm not sure exactly how.

  •  Shameless Brad Henry pimping (3+ / 0-)
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    kpardue, ourprez08, mommaK

    I only do this once a week, but I'd like to remind my fellow Kossacks that we have a progressive governor in a deep red state who is young, intelligent, popular and has demonstrated the ability to work across the aisle without sacrificing his progressive principles.

    In this round of VP speculation, I'm supporting Feingold. Obama doesn't need him to win Wisconsin, and Feingold may not actually help Obama anywhere in particular, but he's a strong partner to have working for us in an Obama administration.

    Don't pick a VP to win, pick a VP to govern. Obama would win with everyone on this list.

    •  I like both Henry and Feingold (0+ / 0-)

      and I think Obama / Feingold could be stronger than many think, as a border-state ticket like Truman / Barkley or Clinton / Gore. OTOH, he's single, and I'm on record predicting a "Second Spouse" candidate for each party. So Sen. Feingold, remember, what happens in Vegas doesn't have to stay in Vegas....

      Alex
      Choose Our President 2008

    •  Brad Henry? (1+ / 0-)
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      ourprez08

      Tax cuts
      Strongly favors death penalty
      Three strikes laws -- "tough on crime"
      Parental notification law
      Rabid anti-drug reform -- seems to treat all drugs like they are meth

      You'd have to show me an awful lot more positive reasons to have that man on the ticket and potentially be the next president.

      •  Your research (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        ourprez08
        1. Taxes - Has consistently said he does not favor tax cuts on those making more than $75,000 a year, and supports increasing inheritance taxes (as well as cigarette and gasoline taxes).
        1. He's pro-death penalty. That's a deal breaker for us now?
        1. On crime, he has supported additional funding for job training for prisoners more than once, and has fought racial profiling.
        1. Abortion - "I am pro-choice because I feel this is a deeply personal choice that the government should not be involved in. I do oppose late-term abortions unless the woman's life is in danger."
        1. You're going to need links on things like "seems to treat all drugs like they are meth", since as far as I can tell, he treats meth like its meth.

        Keep in mind he is working with a legislature that is more conservative than you'd find in 45 out of 50 states.

        He is also pro-environment, pro-affirmative action, anti-war, and has greatly increased funding for education and healthcare programs in Oklahoma.

        He is certainly not to the right of current VP frontrunner Jim Webb.

  •  Was into Clark for a while, but... (0+ / 0-)

    leaning Hagel or Webb lately.

    Obama/Hagel would be extremely hard for McCain to beat, and would build experience and inter-party cooperation into the very ticket itself. Extremely interesting choice...

  •  I like Richardson as a pick (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    eumaies, ourprez08, Indieman

    but none of the possibilities are perfect, obviously. No one simultaneously locks up a key state or two, makes up for Obama's perceived weakness, can be an effective attack dog, has a good personality, and is fit to serve as the 45th President. Richardson is good on some of these fronts but not all; we already know from '04 that Edwards is not a great attack dog and cannot guarantee North Carolina, though I'd be perfectly happy to have him on the ticket again; Webb is too rough; Sebelius doesn't have the personality; etc. etc. etc.

    But someone will emerge, I'm sure, as a perfectly acceptable choice.

    Oh, and some whoring: http://www.dailykos.com/...

    The Republican Party is neither pro-republic nor pro-party. Discuss!

    by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:09:02 PM PDT

    •  I originally read that as (3+ / 0-)
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      peace voter, ourprez08, AussieJo

      "I like Bill Richardson as a prick"

      Always best to take a second glance.

      -9.0, -8.3. Socialized medicine, not "universal coverage". Public transit, not "35 mpg".

      by SensibleShoes on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:16:26 PM PDT

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    •  What about the Richardson/Kissinger connection? (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ourprez08

      are you down with that?



      KISSINGER, McLARTY & RICHARDSON

      Three Combine in Compact of Ethically Challenged

      (Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes public abuse and corruption, has "watched" with concern the evolution of Kissinger Associates, which now also includes as "name partners," former Clinton-Gore White House Chief of Staff Thomas F. "Mack" McLarty and former Clinton-Gore United Nations Ambassador and Energy Secretary Bill Richardson. This "threesome" represents the lowest of ethical standards, even by modern American norms. For example, Henry Kissinger not only consorted with Richard Nixon over break-in’s of public interest and other groups, he tapped the telephone lines of fellow White House associates. Mack McLarty was in charge of The White House during Filegate and Travelgate, and lied to Judicial Watch during his deposition – feigning memory loss. Bill Richardson tried to bribe Monica Lewinsky with a U.N. job to keep her quiet about her relationship with President Bill Clinton, and then presided over an attempted coverup of the Los Alamos nuclear scandal, among other matters. "The firm of Kissinger, McLarty & Richardson epitomizes Washington, D.C. at its worst – sleazy ex-administration officials, feeding off special influence and power and then pretending, with the help of their enablers, to be fine, upstanding and respected gentlemen. Judicial Watch will ‘watch’ closely their activities and take action whenever warranted. Today, we will be filing Freedom of Information Act requests to learn about their activities in the recent past," stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.  


      Judicial Watch | July 5, 2001 press release




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      peace

      Basketball Diary - Will Obama Be the First Hoopster in the WhiteHouse?

      by peace voter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:01:53 PM PDT

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    •  agree here (0+ / 0-)

      Richardson is probably the only candidate that locks up multiple states for Obama and he will need as much help as possible..

      I would completly disregard Sebelius because she just doesnt help Obama immidiatly because she doesn6t have a base or any gravitas anywhere....Her state is unfortunatly out of reach for Obama , so she wont be able to help in any case..

  •  Mark Warner. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ourprez08

    "I'm not against all wars. I'm against dumb wars." Barack Obama

    by DWKING on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:10:33 PM PDT

  •  Anthony Zinni (3+ / 0-)

    General Anthony Zinni

    Pros

    1. A former Bush supporter who became a Bush critic.
    1. His military leadership is specifically in the Middle East, thus bringing him added credibility when talking about Iraq and eventual withdrawal from the region
    1. As a Special Envoy to Israel and Palestine, he would shore up any questions critics may want to raise concernign Obama's commitment to Israel and would have a well informed partner to pursue pease int he region.
    1. An ethnic (Italian), working-class persona that will help attract Hillary Clinton's down-scale voters and conservative Reagan Democrats. Like Obama, he is the son of immigrants - which should help when the issue of immigration arises.
    1. He's Catholic. Democrats used to attract the lions share of Catholics but have had a harder time holding on to them in Presidential races.
    1. From Pennsylvania, thus not only reinforcing a possible swing state in a race against McCain, but helping to win the PA primary and finally driving a stake through the heart of Hillary's campaign.
    1. He came out for Jim Webb in his Senate race.
    1. He's a literate man who has written books with Tom Clancy.
    1. His son, a captain, currently serves in the Marine Corps.
    1. I've watched Zinni on many political panels and he is very articulate, powerful, and persuasive.

    Here are a few interviews with Zinni, which would give you an idea of his intelligence and persona:

    Around the 4:00 mark, Zinni discusses the downside to globalization and how it hasn't lived up to its promise, that it seems to have increased the gulf between the haves and haves not. It's an argument I've heard Webb make.

    Skip to the about the 25 minute mark of this segment of the Charlie Rose Show to see the interview with Zinni.

    To hear Zinni's persuasive, informed, articulate, reasoned argument against having gone into Iraq, skip to the 4:30 mark.

    Zinni gives some biographical information at the beginning of this interview. What really impresses me about this interview is that Zinni converses with an egghead professor from UC Berkley and both display a respect for one another. Zinni has an ethnic, working class persona, but he is so smart, articulate, and informed. He would be a great spokesperson for why and how we need to get out of Iraq.

    Here's a very interesting interview with Zinni in which he makes very persuasive arguments concerning the national security threat climate change poses. I'd love to hear Republicans call this four-star General Ozone Man.

    Cons

    1. Untested on the campaign trail. Could be a loose cannon.
    1. We don't know where he stands on the issues. He may be totally out of sync with Obama and the Democratic Party. However, his belief that climate change is real and a threat to our national security, the problems he expresses concerning globalization, and his willingness to give an interview with Mother Jones, a rather leftist magazine, tells me he may be more in sync with our values than we may realize.

    I live in my own little world...but it's okay. They know me here.

    by John Campanelli on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:13:35 PM PDT

  •  Jim Webb (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ourprez08

    I still haven't recovered from the '06 VA Senatorial race; I am loath to be exposed to Webb in yet another election bid. Nothing against Webb, you see, it's just that VA race was brutal. ;_;

  •  Rep. Linda Sánchez (CA-39) (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    peace voter, ourprez08, Terrier Mix

    Female
    Hispanic
    Latina
    Catholic
    Labor
    Chicano-Latino Law Review Editor
    "Funniest Celebrity in Washington"
    Very progressive on the issues

    Judiciary Committee
    Chair of the Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law
    Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law
    Committee on Education and Labor
    Subcommittee on Early Childhood, Elementary and Secondary Education
    Subcommittee on Health, Labor, Employment and Pensions
    Committee on Foreign Affairs
    Western Hemisphere Subcommittee
    Subcommittee on Europe

    Co-founder of the Labor and Working Families Caucus

  •  Obama on VP in Boca Ratan, Thursday (1+ / 0-)
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    ourprez08

    He's a practical man...   I'd point out that this doesn't commit him to having Hillary as his VP but it certainly does suggest that he's definitely going to at least promise her a key Cabinet post.   It makes sense given his empirical propensity to inclusion, compromise, bipartisanship.

    MR. RUSSERT:  Doris, in Boca Raton on Thursday, Barack Obama was asked about vice president, specifically about Hillary Clinton, and here's his answer, which talks about you

    (videoclip)

    Unidentified man: would you be willing to consider everybody who is a possible help to you as a running mate, even if his or her spouse is an occasional pain in the butt?

    (crowd laughs – so does Obama)

    SEN. OBAMA:  I, I--well, look.  Well, look, look, look.  The--we've got a little more work to do.  So I don't want to jump the gun.  I will tell you, though, that my goal is to have the best possible government.  And that means me winning.  And so I am very practical-minded.  I'm a practical-minded guy. And, you know, one of my, one of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln.  And a while back there was a wonderful book written by Doris Kearns Goodwin called "Team of Rivals," in which she talked about how Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his Cabinet because whatever, you know, personal feelings there were, the issue was how can we get this country through this time of crisis?  And I think that has to be the approach that one takes.

    (End videotape)

    MR. RUSSERT:  Who did Lincoln take into his Cabinet?

    MS. KEARNS GOODWIN:  Lincoln took all of his chief rivals into his Cabinet--Seward, Chase and Bates.  He also took Stanton in, who had called him an ape, who had said terrible things about him, much worse than Clinton has ever said about Obama.  But what it showed--and I think that's what Obama is suggesting--is that he was big-hearted enough, he was confident enough not to have to have just people who would be his personal supporters and not question his authority.  And I think what Obama is saying is if this person can help me win this election, fit the jigsaw puzzle pieces together, she has one part of the map, I have another, I can rise above those personal feelings.  But I suppose--and Lincoln put it in noble fashion, he said, "Look, people are wondering why have I done this?  First of all, the country's in peril.  These are the strongest and most able men in the country.  I need them by my side." But perhaps my old buddy Lyndon Johnson might have put it in less noble fashion, "better to have your enemies inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in."

    MR. RUSSERT:  I just heard the beep.  Like keep your enemies closer?

    MS. KEARNS GOODWIN:  Keep your enemies closer.

    MS. DOWD:  Both of them?

    MR. MEACHAM:  I like the way Doris says it.

    MR. RUSSERT:  Yeah.

  •  Claire McCaskill (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    peace voter, ourprez08, ShadowSD

    Change candidate.
    Missouri.
    Woman.

  •  Webb for VP! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ourprez08

    The thought of Webb & Obama going to rural areas holding round-table discussions, speaking of racial healing and making affirmative action more inclusive for poor whites is enough to get me excited.

  •  Edwards or richardson (0+ / 0-)

    Ive come to the conclusion that Obama will need people that will help him lock up states or group of people..

    Richardson locks up New Mexico and helps out in Texas and Colorado.

    Richardson also has gravitas among latinos..

    Edwards comes with gravitas with appalachia whites and he helps out in MI/OH/PA....SUSA polls have clearly shown he's the strongest candidates out of the well known candidate...He even outpolled Ed Rendell in PA which should tell you all you need to know..

    Anyway , Obama will have to pick a democrats that is already nationaly known and has a base.....Edwards base is less likely to vote for Obama...Matterfact , his base interwine with Hillary's base which are the one who are telling pollsters they will vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination.

  •  The solution is obvious: (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ourprez08

    I believe Al Gore should be Obama's v.p. running mate because he is a statesman and would be ready to promote positive policies from day one.

    "I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps himself in the Constitution than someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps himself in the flag!"

    by SomeStones on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:43:20 AM PDT

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