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So, the right-wing's response to McClellan's confirmations of deceit and duplicity seems to be coalescing around, "This sure doesn't sound like the Scottie I knew ..."  I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean or how they hope it will provide cover for their man Bush: should Scottie's head be scanned for slithering alien worms and his closet checked for body-snatching pods? Whatever, we can slap it down right now: It doesn't matter if McClellan was motived by money or revenge or a whole chorus of little Gaelic voices singing in his head. The former press Secretary has merely confirmed what we all knew already by the embarrassing truckload and that has conservative apologists squirming like slimy, salted snails (Apologies to innocent mollusks the world over). Of course, McClellan actually has the temerity to blame the media for letting his boss get away with all that shit. David Gregory to the rescue!

Well, shucks Stretch! If you and your fellow Warriors for Truth really want to demonstrate their integrity going forward, the opportunity to restore that sorely needed credibility is sitting right in front of your studio made up faces:

Glenn Greenwald -- The Pentagon has posted to its website the roughly 8,000 pages and audio tapes it was forced to provide to the New York Times regarding its "military analyst" program. Anyone who reads through them, as I've now done, can only be left with one conclusion (other than being extremely impressed with David Barstow's work in putting together this story): if this wasn't an example of an illegal, systematic "domestic propaganda campaign" by the Pentagon, then nothing is.

Here we have a story with almost everything any 'serious news' outlet could possibly want right at the time they need it most. It's been reported already, so there's little work and no risk involved, it concerns the entire electorate on the most pressing foriegn policy issue facing the nation during an election year, Congress may soon conduct an investigation into it, if true it's at the very least unethical and perhaps blatantly illegal, it's organized and vast; most important of all for the media incredulity vis-a-vie the Bush administration and Iraq, it involves, well, the integrity of the media regarding the Bush administration and Iraq. Best of all, those same Serious and Responsible new outfits have some of the allegedly corrupt military analysts on their payroll and/or under contract, some of them no doubt sitting happy and fat in a corner newsroom office. All a reporter has to do is walk a few hundred feet at most with camera and mic in hand and, you know, and ask the analyst about it. Wow, shouldn't be too hard to do some hard-hitting, investigative journalmalism, eh?  

And yet for over a month there's been nary a peep about it on those very cable news stations that are under assault, and now righteously defending themsselves, for lazy, sloppy, and naive reporting in the recent past. My question to them: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, traditional media, who's running your asylum?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:30 PM PDT.

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  •  "The Scotty they knew" was a lying prick (20+ / 0-)

    I'm glad to see McClellan change his tone.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:31:15 PM PDT

      •  Great video! Thanks! n/t (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        linkage

        "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

        by your neighbor on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:51:34 PM PDT

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        •  Right-Wing Attack Email (2+ / 0-)
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          Youffraita, R Rhino from CT4

          I just got this email from my winger uncle:

          Please pass the info on.  Scott McClellan is a lowlife piece of garbage who is spreading lies so he can sell his book.  I heard on Fox News Channel that McClellan's father accused Lyndon Johnson of killing JFK.  So I guess the treachery is genetic.

          They have the knives out for Scotty. It's just a matter of time before they start calling him Gay as well.

        •  this coming from the dipshit (8+ / 0-)

          ...who would prefer to dance with karl rove rather than ask him the pertinent questions of the fucking century.  Sorry David Gregory, i would respectfully disagree with your informed analysis.

          •  Gregory wants the job more than the truth (3+ / 0-)
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            oceanspray, dirtfarmer, TomFromNJ

            Of course he disagrees with McClellen.  If he didn't he would have to admit that he was just another syncophant in the press corps.  He wanted to play with the big boys and the price of that was to play their game and not be a news man.  I'm sorry, but he can excuse himself all he wants but we were watching.  We continuously said, why aren't they asking the hard questions, why didn't they follow up with that answer?  Again and again, we sat through all of the press shows and still we sit hoping someone beside Helen Thomas will ask those questions that are on our minds.  It sure as hell was not Gregory.  He played softball and danced with them and earned a place in the seat of the corps.  Does he earn a badge of merit for being allowed to sit there and beg to be part of the big boys?  I think not.  He sucks and doesn't deserve the show he has.  He can't even be truthful with himself.

            Not only did we beat the British now we have to beat the Bushes.

            by libbie on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:37:31 PM PDT

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          •  Where is the biased liberal media (0+ / 0-)

            David Gregory, like so many media journalists, have lately come more and more under the spell of FOX's decade long underlying drumbeat: "the biased liberal media, the biased liberal media, the biased liberal media..." Somehow even they have begun to believe it. In an attempt to be "fair and unbiased" they have moved closer to the "right" not closer to the truth. The Bush administration has successfully intimidated the news media into not believing its own investigations and buying into Rovian right-wing propaganda.

            Where is that biased liberal media I used to know and love?

            It is time for all of us to admit that, even to some small degree, the Bush-Rove machine intimidated us, scared us, shamed us, lied to us, and bent our minds (like it did to McClellan)--citizens and media alike--into not doggedly continuing to confront its bullshit. Let's accept that we have, in some way, contributed to the mess we are in now. Let's admit it, take responsibility for our part and move on! From now on let's insist on the truth from our political representatives and the media and vow never again to let our elected officials make us doubt what our own eyes and ears tell us is the truth.  

            An enemy is one whose story we have not heard -Gene Knudsen Hoffman

            by cloudwatcher on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:52:26 AM PDT

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    •  And we know he's not lying now how? (3+ / 0-)
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      danger durden, Magnifico, dogheaven

      Don't believe what you like and disbelieve what you don't like.

      How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

      by hannah on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:35:07 PM PDT

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      •  Considering what he is saying now (11+ / 0-)

        is backed up by countless others who've already said it, it's safe to say it's true.  The fact that it's coming from an insider is just further confirmation.

        Remember yourself, always and everywhere -G.I. Gurdjieff

        by Particle Noun on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:37:53 PM PDT

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      •  We believe what we know (8+ / 0-)

        Scottie's not telling us anything new.  The sight of all the Busheviks spinning about Scottie's credibility when all his assertions of public fact are easily demonstrated by a casual Google search must have them a little concerned.  

        The man behind the curtain is wearing a pink lace teddie, and the hoi polloi are starting to notice.  That has to have the Wizard's acolytes a little nervous.

        Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

        by Dallasdoc on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:38:11 PM PDT

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      •  THANK YOU. He simply MUST be lying! (2+ / 0-)
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        Canadian Reader, PatsBard

        Because, once a liar lies, there is absolutely no reason to believe them when they throw their life-long entire career with the Republican party down the shitter with a tell-all book, and that Every. Single. Thing. that such a liar says in their career-ending tell all book is easily and completely corroborated with piles and piles of other real facts.

        THANK YOU for seeing the tree for the forest.

        /cannot believe "lying" is what keeps this from being the bombshell it actually is.

        •  Scotty's latest lie (1+ / 0-)
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          Quicksilver2723

          He wants us to believe Bush sent us to war in Iraq to bring democracy to the Middle East by force. What McClellan doesn't want us to believe is that Bush sent us to war in Iraq for their oil.

          •  He destroyed his career to lie about that? (1+ / 0-)
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            Canadian Reader

            Why? He saves Bush's "oil lie" by saying what we know for a fact was true? That the PNAC hordes in the admistration wanted to take down everybody in the ME they insanely thought was a threat?

            Occam's razor, baby. Occam's razor. That's not to say that the oil wasn't frosting, but there's no reason to have to believe oil was the reason. Or for Scotty to write a book just to try to cover that up.

            •  What career? (0+ / 0-)

              McClellan's entire career has been as the campaign manager to his mother and then he went on to work for George W.

              He's 40 years old. That's not much of a career to destroy. Shrug, this lie attempts to make Bush like a misguided Don Quixote type. While invading for oil... makes him look like the petty man he is.

              •  Oh, come on. The book makes Bush look the fool. (1+ / 0-)
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                And it's not a small thing for McClellan to have done this to everyone in his world.

                You might very well be right. He's very well may be going through a mid-life crisis, has no qualms about kicking his mother and every one of his powerful friends to the curb and starting all over back at zero.

                But I'm not convinced. People don't do this kind of things to themselves without some monsterous personal benefit, or because they're actually remorseful.

                We're going to see a number of people doing this from this administration. Not all of them can stand the thought of burning in eternal hellfire . . . [Most can, but not all.]

          •  Yeah that is the part that does not ring true to (1+ / 0-)
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            arlene

            me.

            Bush went to war because he could. Saddam tried to kill his father, we had the force to topple him, all the Project for a New American Century people wanted it.

            Bush is not an idealogue in any sense of the word. He can not complete an articulate sentence about it because he does not understand the ideology put forth by his subordinates.

            He speaks clear as a bell about the ability to defeat our enemies, clear as a bell about kicking ass, clear as bell about the fact Saddam tried to kill his daddie.

            He mawls the language when he is talking about somethign he does not believe in or understand.

            •  He got real live walking talking green army men (2+ / 0-)
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              Irons33, Eikyu Saha

              and a real live sand box to play with them in.

              He took "boys and their toys" to a whole new tragic level.

              Psychopathic Bastard.

              "Will the men in White Jackets please escort the Bush Administration out of the White House and into the Big House? The world thanks you."

              by PatsBard on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:03:37 PM PDT

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          •  I caught that too (0+ / 0-)

            McClellan pulls his punches from bush at the most convenient times.

            Despite the attacks from the Bush surrogates on Scotty, I believe this one is scripting in yet another attempt to put lipstick on the pig.

            Not working for me.  Scotty gets the truth walking down the aisle in the white dress but never makes it to the altar.

            It is ludicrous to shift the blame from the Bush administration to reporters who had zero control over the content of their reporting.  

            The worst from McClellan was blaming Americans for not paying closer attention to the critics of the Bush administration.  That's scraping the bottom of the barrel to say that Americans were like himself and caught up in the post-9.11 fever.

            Another day, another Bush liar.  

            It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. Alfred Adler

            by Quicksilver2723 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:51:13 AM PDT

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    •  That's the one they were comfortable with (9+ / 0-)

      He fit right in at the White House in those days.

      This is one more tiresome round of Kill the Messenger.  How any Bush administration figure can still use the word "disgruntled" with a straight face after all the times it's come out heretofore is amazing.  The only silver lining is that a few reporters are actually asking, "Yeah, but what about the truth of what he said?"  The spinners are caught out by that question.

      I wouldn't urge anyone to reward Scottie for telling the truth after all those years of sweaty lies.  But I hope he's enjoying the kind of treatment he dished out on the podium all those years, and I hope McCain enjoys this revival of all the lies leading up to his war just as the general election is gearing up.

      Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

      by Dallasdoc on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:35:52 PM PDT

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  •  It's interesting (9+ / 0-)

    the amount of traction McClellan is getting. You didn't see this with the other books that came out in the past.

    I think it might have something to do with Bush being the most unpopular president of all time...

    "Remember...remember...the 5th of November." John Lennon

    by MeMeMeMeMe on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:32:19 PM PDT

    •  It's probably the last chance the press has (7+ / 0-)

      to actually cover an ex-bush team member's tell-most book while bush is still in office.

      Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

      by darthstar on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:33:30 PM PDT

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    •  CORRECTAMUNDO (1+ / 0-)
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      Eikyu Saha

      YUP! and this will only serve to accelorate Bush's poll ratings even further down the toilet, right along with his ass kissing twin, John "W"orthless McCain!

    •  might have something to do with (2+ / 0-)
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      Canadian Reader, Eikyu Saha

      none of their bosses are afraid of BushCo anymore so the newsotainment talking heads can yabber on.  Katie Couric was the only one on the Today show yesterday who said the media was not aggressive enough with questioning everything and everyone.

      Who has Gregory's email.  Let's blast him with the story on the talking puppet generals and dare him to report it.  Now, that would be being aggressive, a few years too late.  

    •  Checkout Digby on this (4+ / 0-)
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      opinionated, lecsmith, arlene, Eikyu Saha

      She puts into words my very thoughts on "why now?"

      Perhaps this is just me being paranoid (or normal, take your pick) but this seems to me to be The Ultimate Dog Whistle, at least with regard to whipping the domesticated Trad Media into line.

      Why now?  Well, perhaps because the neocons realize that the next president is destined to be Obama (just check out Rupert Murdoch's recent forecast - Huffpo had something on it as well) and that the Dems should now be granted their long overdue wish: having to deal with a Trad Media that is no longer a lapdog to the Administration.

      Very Rovian methinks.

      Ultimately, we seem to have a Trad Media that only "does its job" when we have a Democrat in the White House.  Otherwise, their best trick is to role over and play dead.

      In other words, this truly is IOKIYAR!

      It's as though the very foundations of our American democracy have caught a fatal Rovian virus.

      " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

      by Lavocat on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:02:05 PM PDT

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  •  " I'm shocked, (5+ / 0-)

    shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

    Coming on 1/20/09: the finest inaugural address since 1961, (or possibly even 1861). Set your Tivos now.

    by Rick in Oz on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:32:54 PM PDT

  •  THE MSM (4+ / 0-)

    Forget what the White House has to say about Scotty, they'll lie about anything and everything....look at what the media is saying and how quite a few of the talking heads are taking him to task for writing a book of revelation before Bush has left office..I saw David Gregory and Andrea Mitchell looking terrible today. I was embarrassed for them!

  •  It means... (1+ / 0-)
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    lcbo

    ...they don't recognize him unless lies are spewing out of his pie hole...

    I want my Two Dollars!

    by Ken in MN on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:33:11 PM PDT

  •  The story has been served up on a silver platter, (5+ / 0-)

    but no one has cut it into tiny pieces for them yet.  Won't someone please help??!?

    Now, go spread some peace, love and understanding. Use force if necessary. - Phil N DeBlanc

    by lineatus on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:33:42 PM PDT

  •  Poor David Gregory! (7+ / 0-)

    So misunderstood!

    JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's 3rd term.

    by chumley on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:33:52 PM PDT

  •  Has anybody, in his multiple media avails, (1+ / 0-)
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    Eikyu Saha

    asked Scotty if he had any personal knowledge of "The Rumsfeld Follies"?

    Curious DFHs want to know!

    The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings. -- Julius Caesar, I.ii.

    by semiot on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:35:15 PM PDT

    •  Actually, Keihh O just did ask Scotty (0+ / 0-)

      about this. Scotty summarily disavowed any knowledge of it.

      The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings. -- Julius Caesar, I.ii.

      by semiot on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:44:15 PM PDT

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  •  They're Not Insane (9+ / 0-)

    They're just piano players in the whorehouse of commerce, playing the sheet music that is put before them.

  •  The MSM will discover investigative reporting (12+ / 0-)

    during the Obama administration.  Just like the Clinton administration.  Odd how they forget how to do their jobs when the President has an R after their name.

  •  Thank you... (3+ / 0-)

    For pointing out how worthless our mass entertainment news organizations have become. Unfortunately for America, most people still only get their news from these outlets.

    "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government. Always hopeful yet discontent, he knows changes aren't permanent. But change is." -Neil Peart

    by Boisepoet on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:35:30 PM PDT

  •  Did Scotty TELL us anything new? (1+ / 0-)
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    snoopydawg

    He claims the media went easy on Bush and this was the media's fault.

    Scotty has misplaced the blame.  Scotty still hasn't accepted responsibility for what he did.  Everybody else was to blame.  Specially the media, who let Scotty down and let the Nation down.

    I don't buy it, won't buy his book, won't read it if someone gives it to me.

    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." -Aristotle

    by Aidos on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:36:49 PM PDT

    •  Don't forget that Rove, Cheney and Libby (0+ / 0-)

      had no problem hanging Scotty out to dry saying that they never fed him that shit and he was making it all up.  

      I suspect this is payback from a wimp.

      I long for the good old days where church was the place where we sang hymns and slept. (After Paula Poundstone)

      by captainlaser on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:52:14 PM PDT

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    •  Whether McClellan is to blame is irrelevant (6+ / 0-)

      That this isn't news to folks on the left side of the spectrum is also not what is important here. What is important is that an insider in the Bush criminal regime has verified what we all knew.

      Back in my college days, I was a student of Latin American History. It was then that I first learned the scope US miltary intervention and the US involvement in the reactionary regimes. My opinions had a definite left wing slant that often offended the sensibilities of some of my conservative instructors. I discovered that when promoting my POV or when writing a research paper, it was most effective to to use US State Department documents or Congressional testimony of US government personnel to make my point. The evidence couldn't be dismissed as the product of a left wing publication.

      The same applies here. McClellan can't be dismissed as some wild-eyed peacenik left wing wacko. The invasion was a product of a massive campaign to deceive the American public and we have another Bush insider confessing to the scam.

      I could care less about McClellan and why he wrote his book. All I care about is that this book makes it more difficult for the war criminals to deny their corruption and duplicity, it is more diffficult for them to escape the judgement of history, and it will make it more difficult for McCain and other war supporters to be successful in November.

      Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

      by slatsg on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:29:58 PM PDT

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  •  Investigate! Be real journalists! (3+ / 0-)
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    snoopydawg, pickandshovel, jfromga

    The story is right there in your offices!

    Do it for the innocent mollusks.

  •  I can't find the "military analys" stuff (0+ / 0-)

    Where is that on the Pentagon website?

    "Join the resistance, and there will be no resistance!" - My Grandmother

    by Rusty5329 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:39:15 PM PDT

  •  Another reporter admits pressure to bias reports (5+ / 0-)

    in favor of "patriotic" spin.

    Fascinating.

    The media angle of this story is almost as interesting as the Bush white house angle.

    We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

    by CA Libertarian on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:40:11 PM PDT

    •  I think it's more interesting (5+ / 0-)

      I love the absolute frenzy of denouncing and rejecting Scotty coming from the maws and fingers of Our Official Wise MenTM.  He's clearly hit a nerve and they're doing everything they can to shout him down.  For good reason, too.  He was paid to tell lies to that crowd, and he did his job diligently and effectively.  They are paid huge bucks to see through the lies and dig out the truth, and they have been abject miserable failures, almost universally across the board.

      •  Paid big bucks to dig out the truth? (1+ / 0-)
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        The only 'truth' they're paid to dig out is the truth that "all is right with the universe" when corporate magnates can make astounding profits over the dead bodies of American servicemen and crumpled dreams of ordinary citizens.  The bosses that pay the MSM learned from Reagan (and Derrida) that "all truth is constructed truth" -- reportage becomes true by the mere act of reporting it.  Thus when Candy Crowley and Cokie Roberts spoke of how Mr. Bush made the ladies all a'giddy and a'swoony, they constructed an illusion that quickly became a sort of reality.  Everybody gets away Scott-free (so to speak) in this scenario until one person among them (Scottie?) starts to say that this Emperor has no clothes.  Rove was very clever at making sure that everyone in the MSM was implicated, so besides toeing the line for a paycheck, they now have to cover their own asses.  McClellan is a threat, but I doubt he'll bring down the show.  

  •  It's not insanity (2+ / 0-)

    if every time they repeat the same behavior, they get richer and more impervious to criticism.

  •  What were they singing? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TomFromNJ

    a whole chorus of little Gaelic voices singing in his head.

    Any guesses?

    I'm thinking it was Coma Leam, Coma Leam Cogadh na Sith.

    (Alike to Me is War or Peace)

  •  This whole "not the Scotty we knew" is so slimy. (4+ / 0-)

    It's a complete instance of "attack the messenger", except even more cowardly.  It's a "dismiss the substance of his comments by making a rather bland observation about the messenger."

    It's pathetic.  And our intrepid traditional media are once more failing with the follow-through.  

    "And we will remember this when we are old and ancient, though the specifics might be vague..."- The Decemberists, "July, July"

    by electricgrendel on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:40:26 PM PDT

    •  It's annoying how they all use the same words (4+ / 0-)

      "This isn't the Scott I knew."

      "It's puzzling."

    •  Larry King asks Dick Cheney.... (2+ / 0-)
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      KenBee, CityLightsLover

      Does it pain you when Brent Scowcroft says, "This is not the Dick Cheney I knew"?
      Q I mean, you were close friends.

      THE VICE PRESIDENT: Sure, and I don't bear any grudges towards Brent. Brent doesn't walk in my shoes these days. He's not in the job I'm in. He's not responsible for making the decisions the President has had to make and those of us who support him and advise him.

      Q Does it pain you?

      THE VICE PRESIDENT: Not especially. It goes with the turf, Larry. If I were in business to be popular, I suppose I'd be worried about my poll ratings and so forth. I'm not. I came here to do a job. I'm not running for any office, myself. I made the decision when I signed on with the President that the only agenda I would have would be his agenda, that I was not going to be like most Vice Presidents -- and that was angling, trying to figure out how I was going to be elected President when his term was over with. When he's finished, I'm finished. We walk out of here on January 20th of '09, and I think we'll be able to hold our heads high knowing we did the best we could for the country. That's what counts more than anything else.

      Scotty's not the only Bushie to change his stripes.

    •  Wait until he has a heart attack or (0+ / 0-)

      has his brakes fail on his car.

      I long for the good old days where church was the place where we sang hymns and slept. (After Paula Poundstone)

      by captainlaser on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:52:55 PM PDT

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    •  It's old news... (0+ / 0-)

      ...they've done this to everyone who has "turned" on them. Wasn't Shinseki the first to get crucified for daring to challenge the invasion "plan" Rumsfeld came up with? (Albeit after the fact.)

      That's the plan - that's how they've succeeded in the past.

      (Good moment here to think fondly back to the revelation that Rumsfeld threatened to "fire the next person who said" the US needed to have a rebuild plan for Iraq. Boy, Bush and Cheney sure did know how to pick 'em, eh?)

      (-4.88, -3.74) Treat everyone as they deserve - and who doesn't deserve a whipping?! -Hamlet 2:2

      by pakaal on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:20:07 PM PDT

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  •  History, or "his story"? The media folded. (4+ / 0-)

    History will judge that the media was mostly in the cheering section during the worst administration in American history.  Perhaps they knew their audience.  They fed into the mania, which included that any dissenting voice was viewed as wildly unpatriotic.  

    David Gregory is in unfiltered damage control mode.  He ought to be.  He's been stealing his paycheck for years.

    You and me will all go down in history, With a sad Statue of Liberty, And a generation that didn't agree - SoaD

    by nsdq on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:40:29 PM PDT

  •  who will be the talking head that steps up? (0+ / 0-)

    which talking head will step up against the current admin?
    which talking head will have the common sense and wisdom to actually act like a journalist?

  •  Lack of media is what made me find blogs (3+ / 0-)
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    I was going out of my mind at that time because there was no criticism in the media. I knew what they were doing and I knew it was wrong, but I didn't read about it anywhere and I didn't see criticism of it on TV.  That is when I started looking at blogs.  

  •  I think David Gregory's hair is actually (1+ / 0-)
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    running the media...

    Free the Pokemon!

    by Krush on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:45:45 PM PDT

  •  THE CORPORATE MEDIA REEKS (3+ / 0-)
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    Since the media has been consolidated into the hands of a few corporate executives the concept of press freedom is a hollow one..and most of the big time journalists have degenerated into corporate shills.
    ...even worse, as Glen Greenwald points out in Salon
    corporate management has surpressed, shaped, and distorted the news in support of the Bush agenda:
    http://www.salon.com/...
    I may retch.

    "The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried." -G. K. Chesterton

    by jorgepoemas on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:46:28 PM PDT

  •  Just look at how the reporters treat McCain... (1+ / 0-)
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    No substantative questions.  No wonder we are at war.

  •   Is it time to review the Broadcast Licenses ? (3+ / 0-)
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    Licenses are issued on the basis that they do what is in the public's welfare.

    Molly Ivins reply when asked about Obama, Her answer: "Yes, he should run. He's the only Democrat with any `Elvis' to him."

    by SmileySam on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:47:20 PM PDT

  •  I guess when it hits you that you are (0+ / 0-)

    going to meet St. Peter and he ain't Dick Cheney, you come to your senses.

    I wonder how Richelieu's press secretary handled his retirement.

    Or Torquemada's.

    Or Ghenghis Khan's?

    I long for the good old days where church was the place where we sang hymns and slept. (After Paula Poundstone)

    by captainlaser on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:47:48 PM PDT

  •  Personalities pander, reporters investigate (0+ / 0-)

    and, by the way, David if someone is lying to you that's when it is OK to call them a liar. Shithead.

  •  McClellan Then on McClellan Now (2+ / 0-)
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    The frothing at the mouth right-wing critics of Scott McClellan sound a lot like, well, Scott McClellan:

    "I think it appears to be more about trying to justify personal views and opinions than it does about looking at the results that we are achieving on behalf of the American people."
    McClellan, asked if former Treasury secretary Paul O'Neill's book contained falsehoods, January 12, 2004

    "Well, why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he's raising these grave concerns that he claims he had."
    McClellan, on the book by former counter-terrorism tsar Richard Clarke, March 22, 2004.

    For more details, see:
    "A Look Back at Scott McClellan's Greatest Hits."

  •  Journalism, so-called, (0+ / 0-)

    as practiced by the empty-headed corporate and military-industrial apologists that populate televised news is the enabler of the destruction of politics as any viable form of progressive, populist change. With their superficial he said/she said coverage, there's no depth, no background to reportage. It's much like the fascist TV shows such as CSI, 24, and their progeny: no reason to investigate why a person or group might do something terrible when there's just good (us/U.S.) and evil (everyone from AQ to China, depending on the day). There's no reason to be critical when we do something terrible because we are and can only be the good guys. Disgusting intellectual sloth.

    Current news practices enable the tawdry politicians we have the dismal fortune to vote for, or really, against. I'm increasingly of the opinion that with derogates like the Clintons in politics, politics can only be meaningless as a popular form of social self-creation. They are emblematic of a system that offers the façade of popular participation while being nothing other than a form of methodical disenfranchisement. The Clintons treat healthcare the way the right treats abortion, an issue to run endlessly on, for example. They are shepherding in an age of debt peonage that would make even the Founding Fathers blush with its blatant disregard for those outside the elite tier of wealth.

  •  I Have A Possible Story (2+ / 0-)
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    That the MSM can start focusing on.
    Why are Bush and Cheney building huge mansions in foreign countries that don't allow extradition to the US?
    Bush is building a house on over 10,000 acres in Paraguay, and Cheney is doing something similar in Dubai ~ which, coincidentally, is the new home to Halliburton.
    Has anyone ever previously heard of a sitting US President and Vice President building their post administration homes in foreign countries?
    Countries without extradition?
    Sounds kinda like a hideout to me.
    Do they maybe know something?
    Like, maybe that they're both guilty of International War Crimes?
    If Congress doesn't do something now, these guys will be gone come Jan. 21st, everyone of their cohorts will be pardoned, and we'll never again see either of these two clowns on US soil.
    Maybe if the media picked up on this, it can get some people thinking.

  •  You want a better media? (2+ / 0-)
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    Then demand more aggressive enforcement of antitrust laws pertaining to the level of saturation in media markets.

    Why does False Noise have such a corner on the market?  Why does Clear Channel rule the airwaves?  Gee, I wonder.

    ALL monopolies (duopolies and oligarchies implicitly included) ultimately destroy competition - it is precisely the very nature of a monopoly.  So why should we expect our highly-monopolized national media to be any different.

    First you destroy the diveristy of voices and views.
    Then you co-opt the few voices and views remaining.
    Then you rule with impunity.
    Worked for Stalin.
    Works for Bush.

    And it will work for any other petty tyrant with a public too damned stupid or lazy to do anything about it.

    " ... or a baby's arm holding an apple!"

    by Lavocat on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:52:59 PM PDT

  •  If we could just get the media to pledge (0+ / 0-)

    to forgo the cool graphics, music, sound effects, and the video game naming of wars in the future, we would probably go a long way to not having the next war.  If the investigative journalists and reporters had spent half as much time as the graphics and PR people did covering the invasion of Iraq, we may not have had the present one.

  •  Not directed at any in particular, but... (2+ / 0-)
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    Given the recent dynamic of McClellan vs WH, it is important not to lose sight of the fact that, in addition to the media, in addition to GWB, McClellan himself is one of the most awful responsible parties.  He got up there every night and danced and spun as hard as he could, blowing off serious questions, calling out Gannon/Guckert, etc.  He did this for years.

    I don't care what his conscience is saying now.  He is a bad man.  Frankly, he's not even telling us anything new.  We've had the gist of the inside scoop at the White House since Suskind met up with O'Neil.

    So McClellan is a terrible person for years, then suddenly has a change of heart, tells us what we already know, and then he's a good guy?  (not that I've seen anyone explicitly calling him a good guy by any stretch, but I do think it's unfortunate that the venom towards him seems to have diluted quite a bit).

    So, I guess what I'm saying is, whether he had a real change of heart or whether he's just playing people like fiddles, I don't really care.  I hope the dude doesn't sell a single book.

  •  Gannon /Guckert (2+ / 0-)
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    Fucktard. How can this assclown even say White House Press Corp" with a straight face. When they knowingly shared workspace with a male prostitute, posing as one of them?  He should hang his head in shame....

  •  David Gregory deserves some credit (1+ / 0-)
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    for actually questioning this admin far more than just about any other "journalist" out there. He was viciously attacked by the right time and again for it.

    That being said, if I were him I wouldn't be defending the other "journalists" as well. They let him twist in the wind.

  •  Heads up--KO on w/ Scotty 3 min in East. (3+ / 0-)
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  •  I love the logic of the WH attack now (3+ / 0-)
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    I mean, there's NO conceivable reason that Scotty wouldn't have said from the dias, back then, "Listen, everything we're telling you is a pack of lies!"

    I can't think of one, can you?

    I really think they're losing whatever marbles they even ever had.

  •  Scotty was a slightly different type of moral (0+ / 0-)

    coward than the standard model which passed through the White House since 2000. Scotty's got a few quirks: a vestigial conscience?(not likely), a sense of embarrassment?(maybe), a desire to sell a lot of books and shtup a few of the sharks he used to work for?(my guess).

    Which candidate will rescind Executive Order 13233?

    by el vasco on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:58:03 PM PDT

  •  Nice (1+ / 0-)
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    But you're assuming they want a different result.

    War reporting makes good ratings, don't you know?

    It's rather sad that I can actually write that statement and not think it's too cynical.

    "Morbo congratulates our gargantuan cyborg president. May death come quickly to his enemies."

    by Dread972 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:59:18 PM PDT

  •  defination of insanity (2+ / 0-)
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    I saw David Gregory on Hardball in this video and my first thought was, he must not have gone to journalism school because he sure does'nt know the job of a journalist.

  •  The corporate media is falling... (2+ / 0-)
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    ..all over itself to defend it's posture in the run-up to the war, mostly arguing that they somehow had an obligation to respect the flag-waving mood of the country and Bush's high approval ratings.

    Since when is it the responsibility of the news media to color the news based on public opinion?  Funny how they leave out the one thing that they SHOULD have respected:  the truth.

  •  The new legal defense (0+ / 0-)

    Now you can get a full aquittal if you prove your accuser "isn't acting like him or herself."  

    It's the American political party of "we make our own rules and change them as we fucking please."

    Unsustainable is unsustainable, which means it will eventually end.

    by Must Have Been The Roses on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:03:01 PM PDT

  •  "This sure doesn't sound like the Scottie I knew" (0+ / 0-)

    I quit being a minister and got this same kind of crap from people who were threatened by my reasons for quiting.

    Rent the film Revolver. It's an intelligent movie for intelligent people. The critics loathed it.

    by AntonBursch on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:04:07 PM PDT

  •  Sorta like Colbert (1+ / 0-)
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    This is sort of like Stephen Colbert's relentless humiliation of the Bush admin and the press at the press club dinner a couple of years back.  Many in the press claimed that people didn't laugh because he wasn't funny, when the truth of the matter was that many press flunkies didn't laugh because they were publicly exposed as the shills they so often are.  I'm not suprised that many "journalists" will try to pretend that scottie is somehow way off base.  What else could they say? "Aw well...yeah...we kinda new the evidence for war was all bs, but I've got a house in the hamptons to pay for" or "it's our job to shamelessly whore for whoever is in power, we're the 4th estate" or "yeah, but war fever sells papers" etc.  

    The only consolation I take in all this is a that scottie, who was always a craven little pile of suet is probably left utterly friendless now.  There won't be any wingnut welfare for him now, regardless of his "revelations" it's not like anyone on the left would help him out and a sinecure in the media is probably out now too.  

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" - James Madison

    by Hotspur18 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:04:21 PM PDT

  •  What in HELL was Gregory thinking? (2+ / 0-)
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    Jumpin Jeebus.  How refreshing he didn't learn a goddamned thing.

    You were (are) part of the problem, DG.  One of the biggest Chimp sychophants even confirmed it.  

    Now head back to the punch bowl for more yummy kool-aid.  

    The revolution will be live

    by tinfoilhat on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:04:23 PM PDT

  •  Is McClellan an imbecile, or... (0+ / 0-)

    ...did he know full well the extent of the damage this might cause? And did he think opening up now would make him look better later on? What's with the timing? He feels safe to open up, since Cheney/Bush and the cabal are now losing their grip on power?  Or is it as simple as good book timing?  

    I'm hearing "hey, he did the right thing, we should thank him for it", but frankly, the more we get into the details of what he actually did at the time on behalf of the Bush administration, the more I think, "when can we arrest him too?"

    (-4.88, -3.74) Treat everyone as they deserve - and who doesn't deserve a whipping?! -Hamlet 2:2

    by pakaal on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:05:13 PM PDT

  •  DarkSyde (2+ / 0-)
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    is quickly becoming one of my favorite bloggers.  I'm still LOL over his trolling blog.  He writes really well -- putting words together I wouldn't have thought belonged together, "squirming like slimy, salted snails."  I also enjoy his science blogs.  Glad to see science get some serious attention.

  •  David Gregory is (1+ / 0-)
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    the ultimate media apologist/shill. He was the first non-ABC wank to defend the questions in the Pennsylvania debate. "I've tried to not be defensive and think hard about this" ... but the conclusion he always comes up with is that the media has done no wrong. Please.

  •  One will continue (0+ / 0-)

    doing the same thing if there is enough money or pressure to do so on them. Great diary.

    Frodo failed....Bush has got the ring!

    by Alohaleezy on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:11:28 PM PDT

  •  Funny how MSNBC is (2+ / 0-)
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    using the same "disgruntled employee" line about Jessica Yellin as the White House is about Scott McClellan.

  •  Shame on you (0+ / 0-)

    You mock our leaders and pull down their pants even though they wear Flag Pins and are Men of God such as Bush. "For there shall be Men" Ezekiel 42:8! It is wrong to pull down pants and mock no matter what you see you should have morality which is more than LIBS ever did in the Oval office you know what I am talking about ha ha! So wake up America before it is too late.

  •  So, snark among ourselves (4+ / 0-)

    or do we hit them with an organized blog-wide "explain the Pentagon propagandists, and tell the public which federal laws this violates, and who was behind it"?

    "Oh, and also can you show us more of the wide-angled photos of the Saddam statue-pulling?"

    Via information Clearing House

    Notice that we had reporters there in the tiny group we were told was a crowd:

    Photobucket

    Seriously, do we let them get by with this or do we focus the fury!

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:17:37 PM PDT

  •  And Gregory went even further tonight (1+ / 0-)
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    Now he's not only denying that the media wasn't tough enough, but he also sounds like he's trying to protect Bush. He has no problem with McClellan's views on Bush's personality, etc. But when it comes to specifics re. how Bush manipulated the war propoganda, Gregory gets all defensive. "Scott really wouldn't have known about any of that. He wouldn't have been privy to what went on behind the scenes in the planning or justification for the war."

    So what's up, David? What are YOU hiding? Maybe you're a plant from Faux?

    "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

    by ratmach on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:21:46 PM PDT

  •  Nothing traditional about this media (2+ / 0-)
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    arlene, Fixed Point Theorem

    They are the anti-traditional, corporate media. They have forsaken their Constitutional duties, and any concept of journalism for the sake of profits. Cable news in particular has morphed into this strange mixture of The McLaughlin Group, Entertainment Tonite, and Professional Wrestling. They just throw out talking points like red meat, and then sit in judgment of the carnage.

    '1984': "Big Brother is watching you". 2008: You're going to end up on YouTube.

    by jhecht on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:26:54 PM PDT

  •  I think Scott's being very nice 2 Bush (seriously (0+ / 0-)

    Okay so Bush supposedly (according to McClellan) bought into the years of neo-Con drivel about how America is effectively the chosen nation, designated by the Almighty to use all means nec'y (including force) to remake the world into a mirror image of itself - a doctrine now justifiable under 9/11 under the rubric of self-defense. (Hmm, sounds like an forgotten era that I was born into, can you say "Cold War?").

    Anyhoo, that's so-oo sweet of Scott. I mean, really. Yes, Bush was concerned about his legacy (again: according to Scott), and felt that only "war Presidents" can be "transformative." (When I was growing up, the word was "transformational." But that was before we all started hunkering down in them ... ah ... bunkers.

    Seriously, has it ever occured to anyone besides me that Bush simply wanted to get re-elected? (Presumably it has, to an awful lotta folks here :)

    I.e. #43 wanted to better his Dad, by one term? Knowing full well that #41's success in the Gulf War was just "too easy" - similar to Afghanistan - and therefore another war was nec'y to ensure that the voters were sufficiently grateful to cast ballots according to the two big lies (Saddam either attacked us on 9/11, or was in league with that other A-rab, if indeed Saddam Bin Ladden is in fact two distinct people?)

    Duh!

    (Not directed to anyone here, but to those swing voters who put Dubya over the top in '04.)

    Scott's a Texan Gentleman. He's being wa-ay too kind! (Either that, or he's still to some extent brainwashed.)

    It's one thing to lie for a legacy and/or an ideology. Quite another to have a basic, simple and craven motive ... re-election and besting Daddy in the process.

    •  Mark Shields agrees w/ my re-election theory (?) (0+ / 0-)

      I can't seem to find a transcript, but I could swear I saw Mark Shields on the Newshour agreeing with my theory tonight ... namely that one of Bush's primary motives for invading Iraq was to be re-elected.

      I've believed this since the admin. first started pushing for the war, but this is the first time that I've seen a reputable commentator on the national scene embrace this hypothesis. (Even Keith won't go there.)

      Did I mishear?

  •  MSM did not do their jobs but what excuse (2+ / 0-)
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    is there for the people who voted for Bush twice.
    From the day the Supreme Court stole the Presidency from Gore, those who were paying attention knew that the Iraq war was BS. How did we know this? Because we paid attention, and analyzed the situation from the information presented. We did not need to be spoon fed to understand that the run up to the war was BS propaganda.

    And, even if MSM did ask the right questions, would it have made a difference. Would the vote in Congress have been much different? Congressional leaders had more information than MSM and they still voted to authorize the war. Why?

    And, again what excuse do we give the vast majority of Americans who voted for Bush and continued to believe his BS a second time. Where there not dozens of books and even a movie depicting Bush to be a sham? There has not been any new revelations from 04 and now, so what has changed?

    To me, the bottom line is that people where scared to the point of bad judgment. The Bush Administration took advantage of 9/11 and no one wanted to cross Bush, a "War Time President". Even to this day, you still have stupid people who do not want to surrender ever to the "enemy" and they do not even know who the enemy is. And, so my point is that Iraq occured because of American fear. And, no amount of information would have changed the outcome because those who operate out of fear would have refused or disbelieved the information.  

  •  In a GMA interview two mornings ago, (0+ / 0-)

    with the three network anchors, Williams, Gibson, and Couric, when asked if the press shirked its responsibility in the run up to the Iraq war, only Couric admitted that, yes, the press failed to a large measure to ask the hard questions that it is their responsibility to ask. Gibson and Williams gave a quick poopoo to the idea.

  •  Perhaps I have become cynical (0+ / 0-)

    when I hear something from the Bush "administration" thugs - but the first thing that came to my mind when I heard them say he was not the Scott they knew was that he was being set up to be assumed to be mentally ill when they find a suicide note and a body.  

    I was wise enough to never grow up while fooling most people into believing I had. - Margaret Mead

    by fayea on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:29:27 PM PDT

  •  David Gregory started out with a firecracker... (0+ / 0-)

    ...up his butt, and, typically, it lasted about as long as one would expect a firecracker to last, which in news media is about a few months, then as the firecracker launched his star, and it rose, he, typically, turned into a mealy mouthed parrot. Sometimes you can almost see the script Gregory has memorised projecting from his very head!

    What a shame.

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    We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in - some of us just go one god further
    -- Richard Dawkin

    by deafmetal on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:33:10 PM PDT

  •  Bush lied People died Media shied Families cried (0+ / 0-)

    McClellan's story is media failings not Bush's. The media allowed Bush to bamboozle the public. They have to write their own book and ask forgiveness from families of those who died because Bush lied.

  •  The MSM is part of the scheme ... (1+ / 0-)
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    I dont expect the mainstream corporate media to be rational or to fully investigate this matter. We have to keep demanding a full accountability of the actions of this administration. If they,the NeoCons, can spend millions investigating and then impeaching Clinton for a blow job, then we should demand billions be spent to investigate this administration and their media buddies who have profited from this war and from this administration's malfeasance. Listening to NBC, ABC, and CBS characterize their efforts as "honest, noble" attempts to expose the truth only points further to their culpability and complicity for the crimes against the Constitution. At least Cheney and FOX are consistent. They just keep saying, "Go fuck yourself!" The others want you to kiss them on the lips and forgive them and then forget. That will never happen.

  •  Dear Lord, deliver this diary to David Gregory. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Scotty told Keith O (1+ / 0-)
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    tonight that Perino must be questioned more aggressively.

    [the] "White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war." -Scott McClellan

    by plok on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:09:59 PM PDT

  •  who's running your asylum? (0+ / 0-)

    ", syrup ,..., shit ,..., hotcakes." Meteor Blades
    John McCain

    by JugOPunch on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:16:55 PM PDT

  •  "The right questions were asked." (0+ / 0-)

    Sure they were, David Gregory.  That's how we ended up in Iraq.  Because the right questions were asked.

    Asshat.

  •  Not the Definition of "Insanity" (1+ / 0-)
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    the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different result

    That's not the definition of insanity. It might be something some kinds of insane people do. But the actual definition of insanity "a condition of impossibility of communication between two or more people who do not share enough common frame of reference with each other to understand each other's communications".

    People who cannot understand each other will indeed do the same thing over and again expecting different results, because they can't understand what comes back when they do it.

    But when we're cutting apart the media and the vast hordes of people who believed it despite the repeated evidence of their senses, that failure to communicate is much more essential to the insanity than just doing it over and again. That communications failure is the insanity, and everything else is a symptom.

    This simple, clear and perfectly sane definition of insanity comes out of R. D. Laing's 1960s clinical psychiatry research. Which, like so much seminal mind research at the time, is as true in our global group mind as it our one on one meetings of the minds. If we want to get more sane, we'll keep in mind how to communicate better with each other. And consider that lying to each other - and to ourselves - over and over just makes us crazier, no matter how many times we expect it to do any different.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:27:06 PM PDT

  •   McClellan Under Impeachment Oath (0+ / 0-)

    All it took for McClellan to tell what he's told so far is just a decent book deal, and the heavy specter of his old gang's possible war crimes trials. Or maybe just tamer Congressional investigations, or perhaps lawsuits from returning veterans or others damaged by the lies spewing from his nozzle at the vast Bush criminal enterprise.

    Imagine what McClellan would spill under oath in an impeachment trial in the Senate. Imagine what he'd spill just to get out of that obligation.

    That's what actual impeachment threats do. They push the weak links in the conspiracies to break ranks, hoping they won't get treated as defendants as much as witnesses.

    McClellan just showed us how close so many really deep insiders already are. How much stronger their betrayal could be if it were under oath, with the real teeth of impeachment and subsequent vindictive criminal and civil trials, rather than in the freedom of their publisher's editorial offices. McClellan made it more easy than ever to impeach them, with new signs of weakness, with new solid evidence of seriously criminal acts.

    IMPEACH THEM NOW. While we still can. Today.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:35:52 PM PDT

  •  It's just relapse into the same habits... (0+ / 0-)

    ...the two defining symptoms of any alcohol or substance dependence: denial and relapse.  Recovery can only begin with

    ...AN INTERVENTION!!!!

    "Republicans value you until you're born but only Democrats care about you after that." -Tom Harkin

    by ezdidit on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:40:09 PM PDT

  •  Really, you should apologize to mollusks. (0+ / 0-)

    Snails play a vital niche in the biosphere and thus are rather unlike, say, Wolf Blitzer.

  •  Put it in terms they'll understand... (0+ / 0-)

    Scotty had a "road to Damascus" moment.

    That loud pop you heard was Scotty pulling his head our of his derrier.

    Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. - T. Roosevelt

    by ranger31 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 07:47:06 PM PDT

  •  Olberman didn't even raise the subject today (0+ / 0-)

    ...with Scotty.

  •  Not propaganda? (2+ / 0-)
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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    The whole iraq fiasco was the lamest most transparent form of propaganda I've witnessed in my life. And as far as propaganda goes I consider myself a little bit of a connoisseur. You see, I was born and raised in Poland under the communist regime and those guys had their propaganda apparatus down to a science!

    For example, one month they started discussions on the health benefits of vegetable oil based margarine. The Polish Academy of Science published a paper on the urgency of reducing the intake of cow butter and increase of intake of margarine in the Polish society. My father, being even more attuned to the propaganda machine immediately exclaimed, "Those fuckers are shipping all our butter to the Soviets!". Lo and behold, a month later the news reported that Poland signed a big agreement for exporting Polish butter to the Soviet Union. Unless you were particularly attentive you'd never notice the connection between the two until it was pointed out to you by another person.

    There were other nuggets. Virtually all news served some sort of government "purpose". Even the most off-beat trivia had some sort of message within it. But the American attempt was so absurdly transparent it was laughable. I mean, come on! It really wasn't that hard to cook a more plausible reason for invading Iraq. They had the entire corporate media parroting their talking points. Some of the talking heads couldn't even keep straight faces yet they repeated the White House talking points down to a punctuation mark. It's a testament to the idiocy and incompetence of this administration that they couldn't make the whole scam look any more plausible. Anecdotes about Kim Jong Il from North Korea's Press Agency are more believable than the bullshit Bush and Cheney fed the American people.

  •  Gregory and Rove (0+ / 0-)

    All I remember is David Gregory dancing with Karl Rove.  Oh yes!  He was laughing his ass off -- not AT Rove, but WITH him.  (At the White House Correspondents' Dinner?  Some media banquet.)

    Gregory is a coward.  Get a backbone, David.  Your boyfriend, Rove, is going down fast.  Even at this late date, you can't totally deny him.  Must be true love.  

    What a wuss.

  •  Is it time yet for the People's News? (0+ / 0-)

    I guess that's the netroots journalism, alternative media, and all of us collectively to continue to ferret out real news, truth and analysis.

  •  Wow... (0+ / 0-)

    ...what a complete fucking douchebag Gregory is.  He finds it so hard to believe that the media failed and then has the GALL to ask "where was public opinion?"

    I'll tell you where, you ignorant asshole: PLENTY of people like me were calling bullshit on this war from the moment Shrub and his merry band of war criminals began to beat the drums.  Where the fuck were you, Gregory?  If I could do it, why couldn't you?

    Yeah...crawl back under your rock of incompetence, you fucking hack.

  •  There's a real easy way to settle this... (0+ / 0-)

    ...if Gregory asked all these tough questions and made all these probing challenges to Bush, surely he can show the videos/transcripts, right?

    Well let's see 'em.

    I can show you posts I made several years ago, calling out this bullshit war and saying that it would only increase and aid terrorism.  So, let's see yours, Gregory.

    Yeah that's what I thought.  Fucking moron.

  •  Gregory (0+ / 0-)

    Gregory is a first class ahole. He is not terribly smart, but is forcefully, in an insipid manner, both conservative and fawning regarding this Administration. It would be interesting to see his attitude toward a Democratic Administration. My assumption is that he is MSNBC's right wing replacement, for right wing demagogue Tucker Carlson.

  •  They said almost exactly the same things about (0+ / 0-)

    Richard Clarke, which I knew before Clarke said it on the Daily Show last night. When they react this strongly and coordinatedly, you know they are worried. Any moment now they will come up with some "evidence" that Scott is a pedophile -- anything to delegitimate him.(They spread these types of rumors about Scott Ritter as well.)

    The Neocon WarsTM do NOT make us safer. Their purpose is to enrich and empower a few global capitalists, some of whom are American.

    by lecsmith on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:00:30 AM PDT

  •  What's it all about? (0+ / 0-)

    Is the story about the spineless reporters, the spineless beureucrats, the spineless editorialists, the spineless TV producers, the spineless editors, or smart guys, all that aside, is it about the facts. Can't you for one second leave the people out of it?

    Lary Waldman

  •  He wants it both ways (0+ / 0-)

    He says both that they did challenge the president and then also that they are not supposed to challenge him. Which is it, David?

    Propaganda is magic perpetrated by those who no longer believe in it on those who do.--W.H. Auden

    by AlexanderChee on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:05:55 AM PDT

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