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But it happened. The paper trail said one thing and the electronic voting machines said another.

ES&S iVotronic, which failed so publicly in Arkansas that the election results were reversed, are widely used across the country.

Once again, BradBlog is on the case, letting us know of this terrible threat to our democracy.

BradBlog quotes chilling facts reported by Joe Lamb in Arkansas' Log Cabin Democrat:

"[T]he votes for the constable race were later found to have recorded accurately on the voter-verifiable paper trail and therefore would not have appeared erroneous to voters either." (Which means there also would have been a fight, in any contested recount, about which numbers actually reflected voter intent!)

"What makes the situation all the more baffling, [Faulkner County Election Commissioner Bruce Haggard] added, is that the machine in question, along with its associated software and coding, were found to have worked to perfection during early voting."

Find links at the original BradBlog report. Says BradBlog:  "By all means, let's not pay attention to this report until after November."

Originally posted to MS on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:12 PM PDT.


How safe is the vote in November?

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Comment Preferences

  •  The US Is the ONLY Nation (3+ / 0-)
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    hoplite9, khereva, ObamaManiac2008

    ...without a national voting system.

    There's a reason for this.

    •  The reason? (0+ / 0-)

      It's a federation. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure I want the country homogenized. But of course I do support the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that enforces the 15th Amendment. The real problem with the Florida vote in 2000 was not the butterfly ballots (I used them in California for years) but the systematic violation of the 15th Amendment to deny the vote to African Americans. As for whether people use paper, machines, scanners or whatever, as long as there's a paper trail to verify with I don't see how it matters that much.

      •  You can program a computer to print out on (1+ / 0-)
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        paper something different from the votes it tallied.

        That's been demonstrated repeatedly. A paper trail just papers over the real problem.

        We have to have secure units with open source and auditing, but better yet, ditch these expensive, unreliable, hackable pieces of crap immediately.

        Children in the U.S... detained [against] intl. & domestic standards." --Amnesty Internati

        by doinaheckuvanutjob on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:37:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  This example is more concrete than most incidents (1+ / 0-)
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    It's incredible just to think about it.

    There's a post on it at too.

    Thanks very much for posting.

    •  And in answer to your poll. (0+ / 0-)

      It will take a big win to overcome this vote machine fog. A 50.5-49.5 split won't work with these misbegotten machines. Needs to be closer to 55% or better with convincing exit polling to counter possible vote shaving.

      •  One other thing will be needed. (0+ / 0-)

        Those in power will need to know that if they steal anohter election, they will be flayed alive and their heads left on pikes as a warning to others that treason is over as a routine here.

        If they do not KNOW that, deep in their gut, we have no hope.

        So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

        by khereva on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:12:17 PM PDT

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  •  Nope, I don't feel safe at all.. (0+ / 0-)

    ..Because I live in Faulkner County, Arkansas, and voted on one of the machines in that primary.

    I hope I can get a paper ballot in November, because I do not trust the Arkansas government to get their shitty machines fixed in time.

  •  The machines are not trustworthy period. (0+ / 0-)

    This is a solution looking hard for a problem.

    Fact is, the counting of votes can be distributed.  This means no matter how large the population, the votes can always be counted in a timely enough fashion, such that machines don't add any real value.

    Secondly, the vote by machine is a vote by proxy.  What gets counted is WHAT THE MACHINE THINKS THE VOTER DID, not what the voter did.

    This is a pretty big deal.  Program the machine sloppy, get sloppy counts.  If the machines are closed, then nobody knows.  Also for extra fun, a good warm fuzzy, "computers don't make mistakes" PR run just muddies the issue.

  •  Shouldn't you add a snark tag? (0+ / 0-)

    "Vote machine failure 'should not be possible'"?  More like, vote machine working should not be possible.

    Paper ballots, counted by people, available for recounting by everyone.  Anything else has holes that the Murderers of Democracy will exploit.

    I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

    by tle on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:51:15 AM PDT

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