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Is it possible that what passes for our common knowledge about our chances
for having a future just does not compute when it comes to the average voter.

Most of us have been absorbing facts like the list of 35 counts of impeachment Dennis read off the other night for years.

We know the facts about the wars in Iraq, and Afganistan, the covert actions elsewhere, the war crimes, neglect of global warming, peak oil, alternative energy, healthcare, social security, education, we have researched the corruption, the facts on the interfearence with elections and voting, the facts about the appointment of right wing, judges, attorneys and staff, the disemination of pro war propaganda, the warrentless wiretaping, kidnapping, torture, murder and holding without rendition.

What would happen if the media had made available those facts to be used in the decision making process of the average voter.

Many people sense there is a difference between parties on the issues and have a general loathing for anything to do with Bush Cheney, but would like us to unite as Americans and reach some sort of bi-partisan consensus, even if it means there has to be some compromise.

I'm having a hard time understanding how people can sit on a couch getting excited by the Celtics having their way with the Lakers and not be writhing inside, obsessed with the facts people like Kucinich, Wexler, Finegold, Conyers and others have uncovered about the extent to which our government has betrayed and deceived us.

It really makes it hard for me to function socially, even to have a conversation with another person who isn't as concerned as I am.

The Phone companies now admit they have been data basing everything that we have entered into our electronic media, phone calls, faxes, emails, medical and financial records, internet usage.

The Media now admits it has been baraging us with pro war, pro administration propaganda.

The government now admits it has engaged in warrentless wiretaping, kidnapping, murder, torture and holding without rendition, incompetence piled on corruption; military contractors who are exempt from our laws, no bid contracts, executive orders and signing statements all carefully kept secret so we can't comprehend, regulate or control the extent of the damage.

All regulation of the environment is endangered. We have oil companies, loggers and developers building roads into the wilderness of our national parks with a sense of urgency to take all they can get before someone stands up for our future.

All protection of our civil rights hangs on a thread. Women who were for Hillary speak of voting for McCain out of spite when Roe vs Wade depends on the next appointment to the Supreme Court and McCain has promised to make the most right to life conservative appointments possible.

Our economy is as endangered as the polar bear and Republicans are still talking about more tax cuts for Halliburton and Exxon Mobil.

Real issues are simply not being discussed in the media. Healthcare for one example, education for another. Does the average voter really understand those issues in depth?

I find myself talking to an attractive apparently reasonably intelligent woman approaching her seventies asking to put a question on our small town ballot requsting the voters to allow people to go out of state for healthcare or another individual at a County Democratic meeting looking for support for single payer healthcare.

How do we get what we, and we hope our candidates, know needs to be done to seriously compete with Energy company commercials telling us we have plenty of oil and gas, all we need to do is allow them to drill for it without all our bleeding heart for the endangered species regulations, and by the way their changing over to supplying us alternative energy will be expensive so they need more tax cuts propaganda if we can't have serious well informed discussions about anything except sports and American Idol in this country?

Originally posted to rktect on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:24 AM PDT.

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  •  Fight over facts (8+ / 0-)

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." -- Stephen Colbert, White House Correspondents' Association Dinner 4/29/06

    Part of the problem, as is being discussed in other diaries, is that the far right just does not live in the world G_d made.  Truth is relative, and those of us who state the facts are called "relativists" by people who are clinically insane.

    How to bring people -- usually good people who have been lied to by people they trust for the wrong reasons -- back down to Earth?  I don't know.

    What I know is that we must keep trying.  The truth isn't out there, it's at our fingertips.

    "What doesn't have credibility today is the truth." -- Bill Moyers, The Daily Show 6/22/05

    by Baron Dave on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:51:55 AM PDT

  •  What if you're without a significant other? :( nt (4+ / 0-)
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    rktect, Simplify, Spoc42, bottsimons

    1 + 1 = 1? It does in the math I use and your computer uses it too =).

    by ronin122 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:54:46 AM PDT

  •  a fight last night (10+ / 0-)

    I love my husband, and he is a Republican but not a religious conservative, so he doesn't view me as a mere brood mare or other sub-human property (I despise males of the religious right variety).  But I am just dying inside because he WILL not see what another Republican administration will do to this country.  We had a big fight last night.  He won't look, he is a complete global warming denier, the kind that says "There is no global warming but global warming has only natural, cyclical causes" in one breath.  He doesn't want national health care, but was appaled when I told him an unemployed friend (fired because she was in her 50's and making too much money) of ours is having to pay 400 per month for COBRA health coverage while she looks for another job.  She is a cancer survivor, she cannot go without health care, she's scared she will be out on the street.  He is appaled at what is happening to her but cannot see that it is the policies of the Republican party that are to blame!  

    Oh, I love this man, and our relationship is good except for this.  I was not so political when we married, I have changed and I can't see how he doesn't see.  We make nowhere near $100,000/yr, but he thinks ending tax cuts for the top 1% will somehow cost us money.

    Fox news: Proud sponsor of the "Watch `iss Ya'all" National ATV Championship in Mousie, Kentucky.

    by get the red out on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:22:52 AM PDT

    •  Some of my best friends have been Republicans (3+ / 0-)
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      Simplify, Spoc42, bottsimons

      that was long ago of course, back when it didn't mean you had no regard for the consequences of killing the planet you live on and ruining the lives of many of the people who share it with you.

      There are women who can live with being beaten, raped, and brutilized by their husbands, women who don't mind their husband having a wide stance, wearing a dress and having affairs with other men, women who can live with gangsters, drug dealers, being married to men doing time, soldiers overseas on their fifth tour who wake up screaming when they are home, women who can accept being a fifth wife or a brood mare as you put it, women who can love a man who can't hold a job and expects her to live with him under the freeway and beg for spare change, but to have to cohabit with a has drunk the koolaid Republican makes merely having cancer and no healthcare and all the rest pale by comparison.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Impeach, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:58:03 PM PDT

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    •  Love (0+ / 0-)

      Love is an emotion, not subject to reason.
      You could try counseling (he'll love that)
      Or
      Head for the west coast, marry a democrat and have a bunch of kids.

      Brood mare? Eeewww  
      You might benefit from a change of scenery.

      Free university and healthcare for all, now.

      by SoCalHobbit on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:37:16 PM PDT

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  •  Our corporatist economy (0+ / 0-)

    Silence is not an effective reply to propaganda.

    by fleisch on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:00:23 PM PDT

  •  It's gonna be ok.... (0+ / 0-)

    (with calming motions)

    If we continue to accumulate only power and not wisdom, we will surely destroy ourselves. -Carl Sagan

    by LightningMan on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:01:57 PM PDT

  •  other... her job and our finances (2+ / 0-)
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    Spoc42, jcil5

    she thinks i've gone off the deep end re: politics. the store in the link in my sig is still pretty far from the first profitable sale, and takes up way too much of my time...
    she knows more about the kids, and gets more hours with them per day than i do. her father is one of the 20 percenters... watches fux and screams one talking point over and over and over just like "there's no place like home, there's no place like home" in hopes that one day it will be true.... even after his company, the one he loyally served for 30 years went bankrupt and canceled his benefits two years into his early retirement (which he was enticed to take by pension and life-long benefit promises).
    the rest of her family just watches fux. another is going into the military, and has been indoctrinated into the 'the preznit kicks ass!' lack of thought.
    they think i'm nuts.  but they don't read up on issues. they've not been brought up to think, think, think, challenge assumptions, verify claims.  relentlessly, tirelessly. somehow i finished engineering school, and managed to take away that critical approach.  i know many of my classmates didn't.

    i have family that is just catholic. to them, catholics always just "choose life."  what about the million dead Iraqis in your name? "oh, there's a war." what about the lies that led us into that war? "the president wouldn't lie, you've gone off the deep end, that's just ridiculous!" "democrats want socialized medicine! we can't afford that!" what about the 3 billion per week we BORROW from CHINA for this war? Can we afford that?  "Well no, but WHY should 'they' get it for free when I've worked hard my whole life and paid my way my whole life!!??" Aren't you Christian? Didn't Jesus teach us to take care of the least fortunate among us? "yes that's in the Bible, but it's in the bible" (implying "this is the real world, that's the book you try to follow")
    Where I work I find the Repubs and engage them, try to talk through issues logically.  they repeat the fux falsehoods "drill in alaska there's plenty of oil" they kid me with "hold on to  your wallets! here come more taxes!" I always reply that it'd be ok for me to have their kids and grandkids pay my share of the debt, and if we could transfer responsibility, i'd vote R for them.
    my wife can't understand why I stay up so late seeking out and discussing really bad news.
    I know it's my little part I can do putting forth views that may be a spark to light up some change... for the world my beautiful babies will inherit from me.  

    There are people who think that the changes in Washington will not touch them to a great degree.  Because "the news" hasn't been jamming it down their throats, they assume that all is pretty much ok in the good ship USA.  They don't realize the military can now bomb my house because cheney secretly signed a secret memo declaring me an enemy combatant.  They don't realize that they could be declared enemy combatants for any reason never made public.  There are people who think the middle east had it coming to them because 3600 new yorkers didn't have "getting blown up by a jet" in their job descriptions, and someone from the middle east did that to them.

    I do have a hard time hanging out with people not talking about all that is wrong with DC.  I do enjoy engaging every single one who will talk about the issues civilly, because I can take apart every fucking lie fux has been hammering into the psyche of the world, so that perhaps i can turn a few back toward the light.

    Obama, anti-McSame, and 50% off all IMPEACH static cling window decals@ gotta-yell-it.com

    by netguyct on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:14:51 PM PDT

  •  I'd like to hear us using some memes in our (1+ / 0-)
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    Gorette

    political public dialogue like:

    credit card conservatives:

  •  Perhaps the time has come... (1+ / 0-)
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    Gorette

    for those who have been paying attention to shun and ostracize all of those who had to have made a conscious decision not to. The information has been available for years, but too many of our loved ones, co-workers and neighbors still believe that "if it isn't on the local news, it didn't happen." These are people long conditioned, from many influences, to think and believe only what they are told to think and believe... many who have been raised to believe that being religious means owning a bible but needing to be told what it says and what it means. And such meek submission to authority has become the yoke-model for how the rest of life is lived.

    Ever since Ronald Reagan's "laugh up their sleeve while they lie through their teeth" goonsquad brought the Republican wrecking ball to Washington to loot the public treasury the last time, the Ascendant Idiocracy (formed like a mold in the wacko faux-reality churches) have made a public spectacle of shunning, ostracizing and demonizing "Lib'rals."  Well, turns out that we "Lib'rals" were right... have been right all along, and are still right, right now.

    Maybe if we stopped avoiding conflict with these gullible rubes -- as we've been so conditioned to do over the many years of listening... listening to palpable rubbish from know-nothing, loud-mouth buffoons -- maybe if, for once, we finally had the courage -- finally! -- to say: SHUT YOUR STUPID MOUTH AND SIT DOWN! THIS MESS IS YOUR FAULT, YOU MORON!  

    But... then we would have become THEM.

    Guess we just show 'em again -- like in the 30's/40's and the 90's -- that investing in people makes us all richer, healthier, happier, and more secure... and hope they get it this time.

    Unplug the parallel psuedo-reality... there is no Sanity Clause

    by PJBurke on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:28:21 AM PDT

  •  The economy (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder what he would say about me.

  •  What an excellent diary! Sorry more didn't (0+ / 0-)

    see it.

    You captured what I am feeling here:

    I'm having a hard time understanding how people can sit on a couch getting excited by the Celtics having their way with the Lakers and not be writhing inside, obsessed with the facts people like Kucinich, Wexler, Finegold, Conyers and others have uncovered about the extent to which our government has betrayed and deceived us.

    It really makes it hard for me to function socially, even to have a conversation with another person who isn't as concerned as I am.

    I, too, am having a hard time relating to anyone who doesn't get it because of my rage meter. Yet even with my family who more or less gets it on some level, I have trouble socially because I fear they are tired of my rage and "obsessions" with all these things going on. They see me as a "downer" when I'm not really, just because I'm eager to discuss these things when I see them. And I have a neighbor who when she sees me always, always says something to me about Obama. It's as if I walk around with a sign on my back, but I don't.

    So, what do we do?

    btw, my answer to your question is none of the above, my sister tries to keep out of the fray of politics and government issues by seeking peace through spirituality-- tao.

    Thank God the Democrats won control of the Senate... otherwise, think of how different everything would be. -G.Greenwald

    by Gorette on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:54:47 AM PDT

  •  My SO is expert on corrupt, egoistic CEOs... (1+ / 0-)
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    rktect

    ...and the ravages of misguided "deregulation" has wrought on American workers.  Particularly in the airline industry.

    Why no economy choices?

    •  I ran out of lines not issues (0+ / 0-)

      When it comes to deregulating airlines I guess you could start with Reagans firing of the air controllers and go downhill from there.

      I see deregulation as the equivalent of letting the planes land without any instruction as to who goes where, when and how.

      I will grant you that if you aren't freaked out by the increase in the number of times the deregulated crash and burn, or the human cost, it probably does
      allow the corporations to sell more people on taking a ride.

      If you want to get into economic choices that's hard because I don't think there will be many left without an economy.

      Once gas prices rise to the point where people can't afford to commute to work, and truckers can't afford to haul things to stores, and our cities economies are destroyed by the consequences of rising sea levels washing over wall street what choices do we have left but to watch our corporations prick the civilization as we know it cheap fossil fuels bubble.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Impeach, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:09:15 AM PDT

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