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Whatever you think of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy , the fact the the House Armed Services personnel subcommittee even had Elaine Donnelly testify yesterday on this subject is patently offensive.  

When she says, "We're talking about real consequences for real people," she should have considered that 65,000 gay men and lesbians serve in the armed forces and protect her.  While she rages about the lesbian menace taking pictures of other women in the shower, and the likelihood of

forced intimacy

her ignorance speaks for itself, and for the fact that Congress would invite someone like her to testify on an important substantive policy issue.

Did Congress really invite Elaine Donnelly to represent some "side" (other than that of small-minded bigots) on the gays in the military debate?  To get a flavor, you can hear for yourself Rep. Patrick Murphy questioning her: http://www.youtube.com/...

What are her credentials?  Has she ever served in the military?  No.  She the founder and president of the "Center for Military Readiness," whatever that is.  

She warned of gay men and women spreading

HIV positivity

This statement alone betrays her ignorance on so many levels, not the least of which is that lesbians have the lowest incidence of HIV in the country.  In point of fact, the Army's policy for soldiers living with HIV, contained in AR 600-110, is that they will not be deployed OCONUS (outside the continental United States), and will be stabilized at their current duty station.  Commanders may not impose additional assignment restrictions on soldiers living with HIV and these soldiers may be assigned to units for a normal tour.

She makes wild and wrong generalizations about

inappropriate passive/aggressive actions common in the homosexual community.

 Again, even her language is antiquated.  She warns of

forcible sodomy

which if perpetrated by anyone, of any sexual orientation, is a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and would be subject to court-martial.  

She warns of

transgenders in the military

and the centerpiece of her tirade appears to be a vague reference to

a group of black lesbians who decided to gang-assault a fellow soldier.

(Here we see her racism and homophobia.  Apparently, she is referring to an event that occurred in 1974.)  Again, such an incident would be a crime subject to court-martial and dishonorable discharge.

I invite you to contact the Center for Military Readiness http://www.cmrlink.org/ and let Ms. Donnelly know what you think of her testilying.  I would also call the members of the House Armed Services personnel subcommittee to find out why they invited her to speak.  Finally, I would like to remind everyone that approximately 65,000 gay men and women serve in the U.S. Armed Forces and protect and defend this country.  "Don't ask, don't tell"--in addition to affecting recruiting and retention--perpetuates vitriol like that spewing from Ms. Donnelly because it implies that there is something wrong with even talking about being gay.

Originally posted to Jesselyn Radack on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:47 AM PDT.

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  •  As you expand the diary I hope you add details (7+ / 0-)

    such as who's holding the hearings (contact info), background info on "Center for Military Readiness," contact info for media outlets to counter Donnelly's testimony, etc.  Thanks.

  •  She also isn't crazy about women serving (17+ / 0-)

    either, thinking that is destroys the "warrior ethos".

    As a guy who just retired after 20 years, let me clue her in - she may be the only person in the entire country that gives a flying fuck about this anymore.

    All the homophobic dinosaurs who needed DADT to protect them from icky homos are now all dead or retired.

    All the people who thought that chicks couldn't cut it in the military are all dead, retired or have changed their attitudes.

    Elaine Donolly is most definitely on the wrong side of history.

    And given that Scandanavian countries even have women submarine commanders now, Israel allows gays to serve openly and the sight of female soldiers in uniform packing heat in Israel is pretty common, the United States still has a way to go.

    I guess Donolly thinks Israel has a crappy army because of all the girly girls and girly men serving in it.

    I am aware of all internet traditions

    by calipygian on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:55:50 AM PDT

  •  My favorite quote from the hearings (9+ / 0-)

    Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) told CNSNews.com, “Current policy has served us well. I think we ought to sustain it. I see no evidence that it should be repealed.”

    source

    Projection is a lovely thing:

    inappropriate passive/aggressive actions common in the homosexual community

    Here is a brief summary of Donnelly from Right Wing Watch:

    Elaine Donnelly seemingly has no actual experience serving in the military, but that hasn’t stopped her from establishing a career as president of the Center for Military Readiness through which she crusades against women and gays in the military.  

    The Detroit News profiled Donnelly back in November 2006 and explained that she initially got her start in politics working alongside Phyllis Schlafly in defeating the Equal Rights Amendment:

    Donnelly has been expressing such opinions for more than two decades in an activist career that began alongside conservative anti-feminist icon Phyllis Schlafly, fighting against the Equal Rights Amendment.

    She was briefly involved in Michigan Republican politics during the 1980s, serving as first female chair of the state GOP's issue committee, and played an active role opposing the elder President Bush.

    During years of debate on the ERA, Donnelly said, she became frightened by the possibility her two daughters could be forced to register for selective service, just as boys are when they turn 18. In 1984, the Reagan administration appointed her to a Pentagon committee on women in the armed forces, and eight years later, the first President Bush placed her on a presidential commission examining policies on assigning women.

    Those experiences cemented, she said, the conviction that liberals are intent on imposing their social agenda on the military, even if the evidence says those policies hurt the military's ability to fight.

    Since then, Donnelly has made it her mission to ensure that women do not serve in combat and that gays do not serve at all while making outrageous statements, such as her suggestion that retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General John Shalikashvili recent call for the repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy was somehow tied to a stoke he had suffered.

    source

    Donnelly cut her teeth with some of the worst of the wingers, including Schlafly.

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by DWG on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:59:27 AM PDT

    •  bingo! she's a-scared of her daughters being (3+ / 0-)
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      DRAFTED!  EEEK!  Oh noooo!

      In other words, another one right there in the Bush & Cheney mold: an evader.  Bush went AWOL, Cheney got five deferments, and now this bigoted... (hooboy am I tempted by alliteration at this point, but it would be wrong)... wretch, is just trying to do likewise for her darling daughters.  

      But instead of merely seeking to keep her own daughters away from our nation's uniform, she has to turn it into a Principle and then inflict it on everyone else.  And in order to get support from the righties, she has to throw in the ho-mos as well.  

      What a coward, and a coward with a cover-up.  

      And just like all the ho-mo haters, she's guilty as sin of projection, as in, oh no, it's not about me, it's about YOU!.  

      What people like this need is a dose of psilocybin administered by a competent psychiatrist.  

      •  Actually, it's reasonable to be concerned (2+ / 0-)
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        about one's daughters serving in the military, because there is plenty of sexual assault of female soldiers by their male peers.

        •  which is a perfectly reasonable fear, however... (2+ / 0-)
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          ..it's not reasonable to project it on others and deny them the right to serve.  

          They can go talk to draft counselors, who can be found in most major cities.  One way to find 'em is to contact the local Quaker meeting and ask for a referral.  

          Oh but wait, that would mean they're dealing with lefties.  Hmm....  (see, at least the left is honest about this stuff)

          IMHO it should be perfectly OK to ask for an out due to fear of dying.  Nothing wrong with being scare of dying, or of being raped for that matter which is the next-worst thing to being shot.  

          And on the other hand, the UCMJ needs to make rape a life sentence offense, if it doesn't already.  

          The righties are totally inconsistent about all of this, so they have to invent principled reasons to inflict their stuff on everyone else.  Yow.  

        •  This is a legitimate concern, (2+ / 0-)
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          and a subject on which there should be hearings.  But yesterday's hearing was about the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

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          by Jesselyn Radack on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:05:37 AM PDT

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          •  Rape and sexual assault in the military (1+ / 0-)
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            are a legitimate concern.  I should have been more specific since my live-blog replies are not always synchronized to the comment I am addressing.  --JR

            The Canary in the Coalmine is available for purchase at patriotictruthteller.net

            by Jesselyn Radack on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:08:15 AM PDT

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            •  Actually, there is probably a lot more (1+ / 0-)
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              heterosexual misconduct than homosexual misconduct in the military, thus pointing out the misplaced priorities. My point being that heterosexuals are more of a problem, for exactly the reasons ascribed to homosexuals. But I suppose Donnelly feels it's ok for other peoples' daughters to be raped by males, just so long as their sons don't have to suppress their own homophobia. Or maybe the intent is to have us look away from the real problem of the rape culture in our military?

      •  And she wants her daughters barefoot and pregnant (4+ / 0-)

        She and Schlafly have been a team for a very long time, opposing the Equal Rights Amendment and other women's rights issues. She takes misogyny to all new heights. She wants her daughters in the kitchen, looking like Betty Crocker, and subservient to their husband. Since the draft is ancient history, but her attacks on women serving in the military continue unabated, she is not concerned about her daughters being made to serve as much as serving powerful male members of the military that do not want women in the military.

        Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by DWG on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:25:21 AM PDT

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        •  hmm, that's something.... (3+ / 0-)

          WW2.  Rosie the Riveter, and her women-friends operating bulldozers and so on.  Led directly to feminism in the 2nd half of the 20th century, probably the ERA included.  

          Rosie originally served on the home front, where at least she couldn't get shot at.  

          Next time around it's going to be Rosie the Riflewoman, and when she comes back from the front lines plus a few scars and some scary stories to tell the kids, there won't be any hemming & hawwing about passing the ERA this time.  

          Yeah, I can see why Shoo-fly and her pals would be terrified of that.  

      •  Or being attacked by nefarious lesbians. (2+ / 0-)
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        The Canary in the Coalmine is available for purchase at patriotictruthteller.net

        by Jesselyn Radack on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 07:32:34 AM PDT

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    •  No...Best quote > (4+ / 0-)

      "When we're stationed up in those mountains and it's ten degrees below and we have to huddle together to survive, there must be no arousal."

      Didn't catch the name of the General who said that, but the man has issues.

    •  So she's a hypocrite, too. (3+ / 0-)

      It's ironic that while she broke gender barriers serving as the first female chair of Michigan's GOP issue committee, she is so committed to impeding women's equality.  So she's either self-hating or a hypocrite, or both.

      The Canary in the Coalmine is available for purchase at patriotictruthteller.net

      by Jesselyn Radack on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:03:22 AM PDT

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  •  A link to some of her comments will help. A (0+ / 0-)

    great diary being developed.

  •  The Center for Miltarty Readiness (12+ / 0-)

    has a board of directors that includes David Horowitz, Kate O'Beirne, Phyllis Schlafly, and various other faces from the interlocking drunk think tanks and vanity publishers of the right. That should give a clue.

    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:00:32 AM PDT

    •  ... and maybe a little (6+ / 0-)

      Amway distributorship on the side...

      These industrious folks really know how to make a living doing what they enjoy , huh?

      •  yee-hawww! YEAH, Scamway! (4+ / 0-)

        There we go, I think you found the secret.  

        BTW, Scamway is all hooked up with the rightie-nutters, bigtime.  Do a keyword search with the appropriate terms, it's very interesting.  A cult with a scam attached.  Wow.  Hybrid parasitic mutant slime.  

        •  As a MI resident (4+ / 0-)
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           I get a front row seat for the comedy show that is the Amway pyramid scheme, and for the adventures of the DeVos clan that runs it. These people are serious wingnuts. Dick DeVos, son of the founder of Amway who inherited  hundreds of millions of dollars but little of his father's business acumen, tried and failed to buy the governorship of MI. His wife Betsy, former MI Repub party chair, once said our economic problems are caused by overpaid workers. Her brother is Eric Prince, auto parts fortune heir (see a pattern here?) and founder of Blackwater Security.

           The DeVos clan are big financial backers of every wingnut cause there is from school vouchers to Christian Dominionism. They have tons of money to throw at their pet projects. I don't think they get much attention outside of Michigan, but they are major players on the right.
           

          What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

          by happy camper on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:43:19 AM PDT

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      •  For hating women's equality, (1+ / 0-)
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        she's done some glass ceiling-breaking herself and held quite a number of political positions. . .
        Maybe she should practice what she preaches and go back to the kitchen where she thinks women belong.

        The Canary in the Coalmine is available for purchase at patriotictruthteller.net

        by Jesselyn Radack on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:14:10 AM PDT

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    •  Good catch! (2+ / 0-)
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      davidincleveland, melvin

      You & the diarist both!  And I hope you washed your hands after you were done too.  

      Let's see... Horrible Horowitz, Phyllis Shoo-fly... I don't recognize the other one though....  

      I bet they all make a decent amount of money for this crap.  

      And I'll bet they're funded by Scaife.  Just a guess.  

      It's all about the money, and the projection.  Get paid to engage in projection, wow, what a life.  

      Scurvy & the Pervies.  I wonder what sort of porn they have on their hard drives.  Here's me betting it has to do with barnyard animals.  Pity the poor animals.  

      ---

      Know what?  These f---waads are an insult to our soldiers.  The guys & gals in uniform by and large don't give a fiddler's hoot who their buddies in the trenches are sleeping with, just as long as their warrior skills are top-notch.

      That goes for all branches, including the Marines.  

    •  And why, again, was she invited to testify (2+ / 0-)
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      before the U.S. Congress?

      The Canary in the Coalmine is available for purchase at patriotictruthteller.net

      by Jesselyn Radack on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:11:57 AM PDT

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  •  Probably, to this doofus, "exotic" forms (2+ / 0-)
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    of sexual expression means anything other than the missionary position between a man and a woman who are married to each other.

  •  From Donnelly's campaign against women in combat (3+ / 0-)
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    After eleven months of training in the F-14, Lieutenants Hultgreen and Lohrenz satisfied requirements for posting with a carrier-based flight squadron. In August 1994, the Navy assigned both women to fighter Squadron 213 attached to the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln in the Pacific Fleet. They participated in regular training exercises to maintain their combat readiness. In the course of such an exercise, on October 28, 1994, Lt. Hultgreen died while attempting to land an F-14 on the U.S.S. Lincoln; the Navy subsequently determined that the plane did not signal to the pilot that one of its engines was not working until it was too late to avoid a crash. After Lt. Hultgreen's death, the media turned its attention to the question of whether the Navy had established a "double standard" in order to enable women to qualify as combat pilots, initially focusing on Lt. Hultgreen. Three months after Lt. Hultgreen's crash, Elaine Donnelly, who had long opposed permitting women to serve in combat positions, drew attention to Lt. Lohrenz. Starting in the 1970s, Donnelly had testified before Congress in opposition to women in combat, published on the subject, and, in the early 1990s, served on the Presidential Commission on Assignment of Women in the Armed Services. In 1992, Donnelly incorporated the Center for Military Readiness and served as its president; the CMR has regularly published articles and issued press releases opposing women serving in combat positions, including as combat pilots. As relevant here, Donnelly and CMR published four allegedly defamatory publications about Lt. Lohrenz.

    9
    First, on January 16, 1995 Donnelly wrote on CMR letterhead to Senator Strom Thurmond to alert the then-Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee to "certain practices designed to assure that women will not fail [that] have now been extended to the demanding and dangerous field of carrier aviation in the F-14 community." Donnelly characterized both Lt. Hultgreen and the other woman combat pilot, "Pilot B," as unqualified pilots. She quoted at length from a letter she had received from Lt. Patrick Jerome Burns, who had briefly been an F-14 instructor for both women; however, she did not then identify Lt. Burns by name. Donnelly and Lt. Burns cast the Navy's decision to break down a gender barrier and permit women pilots to fly combat aircraft as "politically driven." They wrote, "Navy policy on the integration of women into fleet F-14 squadrons is, thus far, an abject failure. It is indicative of the problems of gender integration, which must be corrected, across the spectrum."

    10
    Second, a few months later, on April 25, 1995, Donnelly republished the letter to Senator Thurmond as part of a more comprehensive CMR "special report" on alleged double standards in naval aviation. The Donnelly Report included excerpts from Lt. Lohrenz's confidential training records, parts of which had been sent to Donnelly by Lt. Burns. The Donnelly Report reiterated that Lt. Hultgreen and Pilot B were unqualified pilots, and noted special accommodations the Navy had made for Pilot B. The Report also referenced several of the Navy's specific rejections of Donnelly's conclusions. The Donnelly Report was circulated to the media, online, and within the naval aviator community, including on the U.S.S. Lincoln, where Lt. Lohrenz was still based. Even though Lt. Lohrenz was referred to in the Donnelly Report as "Pilot B," as the only remaining carrier-qualified woman F-14 pilot, her identity was known within the naval aviation community, particularly on the U.S.S. Lincoln. Shortly thereafter, the media revealed Lt. Lohrenz's name. See, e.g., James W. Crawley, Navy Grounds Female F-14 Pilot for Evaluation of Flying Skills, San Diego Union-Trib., June 30, 1995, at B-1.

    11
    Third, almost a year later, on March 28, 1996, Donnelly restated her conclusion that Lt. Lohrenz was an incompetent combat pilot in a speech at the Army-Navy Club in Washington, D.C. Fourth, twenty months later, on November 6, 1997, after Lt. Lohrenz had filed suit, Donnelly repeated this conclusion in a CMR press release, referring to Lt. Lohrenz by name. The press release further asserted that the Navy's integration of women into combat squadrons was part of a "reckless" "race" with the Air Force that had been "instigated by aggressive female officers, feminist advocates, and Navy public affairs officers."

    12
    On April 24, 1996, Lt. Lohrenz filed a defamation action against Donnelly and CMR as well as the Copley Press (d/b/a The San Diego Union Tribune), News World Communications, Inc. (d/b/a The Washington Times), and John Does 1-100 (retired officers of the Navy and other military services, who allegedly assisted Donnelly and republished her statements). Lohrenz alleged in her complaint that she had become the victim of a campaign by Donnelly and the other defendants, "the gist of which was that the Navy engaged in preferential treatment of female aviators, passing and promoting them despite their substandard performance." Appellant's Br. at 2. Lt. Lohrenz sued the three non-press defendants, Donnelly, CMR, and the John Does, for libel and slander. Her complaint also included causes of action for libel against the two media defendants, and an invasion of privacy claim against all defendants.

    source

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by DWG on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:17:45 AM PDT

  •  Adam B (9+ / 0-)

    had a great diary last night where he posted a vid of  Rep. Patrick Murphy shredding her.  

    Apparently Donnelly is very concerned about one instance of a marauding band of lesbians attacking a woman in training.  Who knows whether that actually occurred.  Too bad she isn't concerned about sexual assaults of female enlisted or of murders of active duty gay men---by marauding bands of straight guys.  That, and she's also worried about "forced cohabitation."  Murphy squashed her well and kept pointing out that she was saying that enlisted people are too unprofessional to live and work with gays and lesbians.

    Here's some simple advice: Always be yourself. Never take yourself too seriously. And beware of advice from experts, pigs, and members of Parliament. Kermit

    by sobermom on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:18:26 AM PDT

  •  Exotic forms of sexual expression? (4+ / 0-)
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    Hmm. Could be a recruiting tool.

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:24:52 AM PDT

  •  It would be interesting to know who invited (0+ / 0-)

    her to speak before the committee?  Whoever it was is most likely embarrassed having made that decision.  Ms. Donnelly wasn't quite up to her recital and also embarrassed herself by practicing in public.

    "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

    by JFinNe on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:29:26 AM PDT

    •  To the contrary, I am convinced that whoever (1+ / 0-)
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      invited her did it in the interest of seeing the policy stricken. She is such a nutcase that even the supporters of the policy didn't want to go there with her. She got most of her questions from the opponents of DADT.

  •  I heard the hearing on C-Span radio, and (2+ / 0-)
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    I thought it was hilarious. Most of the questioners used her to mock the most extreme position, juxtaposed against actual servicemembers who knew from experience what they were talking about. They used her cluelessness to demonstrate the contortions that a reasonable person has to go through to defend the policy. I think using her as a foil was an effective method of attacking the policy in a way that a more moderate witness would never be.

  •  Also scheduled to speak (4+ / 0-)
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    at the congressional consideration of the Hate But Don't Tell policy is Retired Staff Sgt. Eric Fidelis Alva.  Sgt Alva is the first United States Marine to sustain combat inujuries in George "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Bush's invasion of Iraq.

    Sgt Alva lost his leg fighting for his country.  His testimony ought to have a markedly different tone.

  •  I watched a lot of that hearing on C-Span (1+ / 0-)
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    I could not believe some of the crap that woman was saying.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:44:40 AM PDT

  •  News (2+ / 0-)
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    Good news

    Stonewall has announced that the Army has become the 400th member of its Diversity Champions programme for employers. The Army will be working with Stonewall to promote good working conditions for all existing and potential employees and to ensure equal treatment for those who are lesbian, gay and bisexual

    Bad news.
    This is the British Army

    Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?

    by Lib Dem FoP on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:49:47 AM PDT

  •  "Forced cohabitatio" I take it is a reference to (1+ / 0-)
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    the terrors of showering when teh gays might see, etc.

    Esera Tuaolo (formerly of the NFL) did a good job in his book of debunking all that. As he points out, the lockerroom is a workplace, and these are your coworkers and teammates, with whom it is absolutely essential that you get along. At the same time, they are competitors in a sense. As he said, it is difficult to imagine a less romantic atmosphere.

    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:53:01 AM PDT

  •  AS IF... (1+ / 0-)
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    Women in the military aren't getting heterosexually assaulted almost daily right now. I guess to Ms. Donelly, a heterosexual, sexual assault is ok because she sure doesn't seem concerned about THAT.

    This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

    by Snud on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:50:20 AM PDT

  •  I may be wrong but (1+ / 0-)
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    It seems like we hear about another heterosexual rape in the military just about every week.  Maybe if openly gay people were allowed in the military the women would have a shot at having some guys around that they could trust to help keep the environment a little safer from sexual assult.

    Fox news: Even better than meth!

    by get the red out on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:07:47 AM PDT

  •  My guess is if the ban was lifted, that many... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...gays and lesbians in the military would still not come out, but would at least feel as if it would be okay to tell someone they were gay if asked (like their close friends, etc).  In other words, I'm not sure much would change, other than life would be massively better for gays and lesbians who are so honorably serving our country.

    What would Lincoln do?

    by stevedubya on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:30:55 AM PDT

  •  I'd be more concerned about her in the military (1+ / 0-)
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    spreading hate and prejudice. I can only hope they gave her a forum to expose just how ridiculous her beliefs are.

    It's past time for "Don't ask, don't tell" to be retired.

    Here's an article from Military Times - I saved the link last May - the author is an Air Force veteran:
    I was wrong: Ban on gays in uniform should be lifted

    This really struck me:

    More than 30 years ago, Tech. Sgt. Leonard "Lenny" Matlovitch didn’t keep his secret. At Langley Air Force Base, Va., in 1975, Matlovitch came out of the closet with a letter confirming his homosexuality. He made the cover of Time magazine and was popular with the public, but the Air Force drummed him out anyway.

    When Matlovitch died of complications from AIDS in 1988, many remembered he had volunteered for three tours in Vietnam and had been awarded the Purple Heart and Bronze Star. On his grave is this inscription: "When I was in the military, they gave me a medal for killing two men, and a discharge for loving one.

    I also saved this last May:

    Despite misgivings, gays blend in to British military

    Since it began allowing gays to serve in the armed forces in 2000, none of the British military's fears - about harassment, discord, blackmail, bullying or an erosion of unit cohesion or military effectiveness - has come to pass, according to the Ministry of Defense, current and former members of the services, and academics specializing in the military. The biggest news about the policy, they say, is that there is no news. It has for the most part become a nonissue.

  •  I think it may have been (0+ / 0-)

    a brilliant move to have her testify.  The majority of Americans will see her for what she is: rabidly clueless.  Also, the right cannot complain that they weren't given a "fair" hearing.  After all, who could have managed to spout all that crap as well as she did?  Heaven knows, it was easy enough for Murphy to show her for what she is!  If it hadn't been her, it would have been someone else.  

    I'm just glad that Congress is making any attempt to deal with it at all.  When I found out how many Arab speakers we lost in both the military and intelligence services I was just sick.  I take little comfort in the fact that even if we had enough translators, the administration wouldn't listen to them or use their work for the good of the country anyway.

    -7.62, -7.28 "We told the truth. We obeyed the law. We kept the peace." - Walter Mondale

    by luckylizard on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:07:32 AM PDT

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