Skip to main content

I think there's something almost refreshing about the new "Drill Here, Drill Now!" battle cry from Republicans, oil companies, and conservatives. It's at least blisteringly up-front about being a giant screw-you to environmentalism, to the oncoming freight train of peak oil, and in fact to having any actual energy policy in general. The Republicans have decided that, since they don't have anything better to do, they're just going to use soaring gasoline prices to screw with everyone else. Soaring energy prices? Bah! Converting to alternative energy sources? Bugger off!

It's the legislative equivalent of mooning a tollbooth attendant.

But just to insert a good dose of conspiracy theory into the mix, isn't all this playing out suspiciously similarly to the Enron debacle?


It was the first years of the Bush administration: prices are soaring uncontrollably in the newly deregulated California energy markets. Enron, a company that has newly decided there is far more money to be made in marketplace speculation than in actual energy production or transmission, is powerful enough to control the flow of electricity throughout the state and region in question, which they do, squeezing supply further so that prices soar. They idle plants under their control in order to artificially reduce capacity; they reroute power away from the state, leading to an ongoing rotation of community blackouts. They and other energy companies then use the entirely manufactured demand "crisis" to demand long-term state contracts -- at locked-in rates far above what they would have gotten before the "emergency" -- as the only possible way to "solve" the problem. Republicans and Republican-controlled regulatory agencies take the side of the Enron and the corporations throughout the entire process. (Yeah, they were hoping we'd all forgotten about that -- we haven't.)

In the end, the contracts are signed, the Democratic governor of California is recalled due to a brilliantly plotted, corporate-financed campaign of misdirected consumer outrage, and the looting of the state energy markets would have gone off spectacularly except that in the process, the jackasses at Enron managed to leverage the company into a complete collapse via a number of similarly speculative/manipulative/illegal activities. Until the day they collapsed, though, they had politicians eating out of the palm of their hand, willing to grant them anything to "help" with the "crisis" that all of that unnecessary environmentalism and cruel corporate taxation had supposedly led us to.


Cut to 2008. Gasoline prices are soaring uncontrollably, and become a huge political issue. Oil companies and oil-connected politicians say that if certain corporate-friendly steps are taken to further consolidate the power of the extraction companies over existing regulation, prices will be better controlled. Republicans are at the forefront of this effort, taking the side of the corporations: we need to abandon our environmental protections, because they are suddenly killing our marketplace. We need more subsidies, and more cheap leases, and more corporate tax breaks, all so that noble but terribly put upon companies like Enron -- sorry, I mean Exxon -- can help us in this time of crisis.

What happens next? Let me guess, it's exactly what the Republicans and the oil companies are assuring us of -- we abandon the offshore drilling restrictions and, remarkably, prices almost immediately start subsiding this fall, even though not a single drop of oil is being drilled that wasn't being drilled the months before. The crisis is "solved", merely by acquiescing to something that didn't have any actual production or refinery impact. In the meantime, billions of dollars worth of new assets have been added to the very companies currently enjoying higher profits than any companies in the history of mankind.

Of course, there are differences. What Enron did was unequivocally corporate terrorism -- by intentionally cutting power to traffic lights, homes, elevators and whatnot they created an uncountable number of situations that could have led directly to injury and death, statewide. It wouldn't be reasonable to assume the same level of collusion here -- and it would be terribly irresponsible to muse on whether or not there aren't plenty of other energy executives and speculators who saw the Enron model of governmental blackmail, and decided that it was nothing short of brilliant, and looked to use it in a model in future anti-regulatory efforts.


But the similarities are striking, and in some ways, the Republican and energy company efforts to open offshore drilling -- something that everyone who isn't a baldfaced liar all agree will have zero impact on current production or prices -- are a very good analogy to the Enron blackmail. The entire purpose of new offshore leases would be as a boon to energy companies and market speculators, by infusing the speculative market with billions of dollars worth of new product at almost no expense to the companies themselves.

The oil companies can't drill those new leases, that much is clear. There's plenty of existing leases to drill, and they aren't drilling those either, and there seems no particular interest in rapidly expanding capacity in order to actually drill them.

But each company can hold those leases, and borrow against the value of those leases, and trade those leases, so that's the primary value of the new offshore plots -- as tradable assets on the speculative market. If we give them the leases (that is, charge them at the usual pittance), we're vastly increasing their available capital, vastly increasing the capital of the entire speculative market, and they don't have to lift an actual finger to see it happen. No drilling; no additional exploration; nothing. Only the creation of new paper.

In that sense, it is identical to Enron, in that these companies want these leases purely as tradable commodities in and of themselves, without actually having to do any actual extraction. It's 100% giveaway to the companies, it has nothing to do with the actual current cost of oil or gasoline, and it's being done in an environment of record profits and near-blackmail.


You have to admire the chutzpah of Republicans actually staging a pizza party on the floor of the darkened, shuttered House in order to actually celebrate their desire to help another set of corporate speculators plunder the energy markets at taxpayer and consumer expense.

Truly, the word "shameless" has lost all meaning.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:15 AM PDT.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  Yep, we aren't allowing offshore drilling (20+ / 0-)

    Oil companies are snatching up a slate of newly available leases. Indeed, three weeks from now, at a planned auction at the Royal Sonesta Hotel in New Orleans, the federal government will accept bids from oil companies on leases to 18 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico. The tracts, according to estimates, could potentially yield more than 400 million barrels of oil. When two similar sales were held back in March, bidders forked over a record $3.5 billion for drilling rights to more than 30 million acres.

    Link

    We won't even address the issue of the oil companies not having the available resources to drill at all the sites they wish to now.

    •  Brings to mind this comment during Watergate (13+ / 0-)

      'have you no shame, sir?"

    •  Oh! Please DO discuss it! (9+ / 0-)

      As I understand there a no rigs available in the WORLD right now...none...all are in use, and none are being built....so, just what ARE they going to drill WITH?

      •  Why don't Democrats call their bluff? (11+ / 0-)

        This whole deal is clearly a scam. What if Dems in Congress pass some kind of legislation that opens up some of the protected areas only after all currently available sites are actually being drilled? "Sure, we'll open up these areas AFTER you've actually started drilling on what you already have." They would be totally exposed.

        •  Why is Obama caving? (5+ / 0-)

          Suddenly, he's for drilling too. Makes one wonder if the whole stinking bunch of them aren't in on it together.

          McCain's speaking style: Like a bad Andy Rooney impersonator, except not that good.

          by edg on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:17:45 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Obama is caving (4+ / 0-)

            because the Rs are winning this meme.  Polls show 70-something percent of Americans are in favor of offshore drilling b/c they are really hurting financially, and they believe that this will bring down gas prices.  We are losing the framing war on this one.

            So I have a copyright violation request of Kos:

            This diary - shortened and slightly less partisan - would make a fantastic viral email.  The Enron -Exxon name similarity makes this whole thing perfect for mass distribution.

            So the question is:

            May I?

            •  I'll second that. (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              dus7, greenearth, Neon Mama

              Making this diary a viral email is an excellent idea.

              Regarding the 70+ percent in favor, perhaps Obams should link his $1000 rebate more explicitly to the offshore leases. If he points out "it's your property they want to lease. $1000 is a fair price for leasing it", he could take back the meme.

              McCain's speaking style: Like a bad Andy Rooney impersonator, except not that good.

              by edg on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:50:30 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Bah (4+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Creosote, 417els, greenearth, homefree

              It's not the right analogy. Electricity is an easy market to manipulate because it is not possible to store it, and thus requires stringent regulation (by engineers, not by lawyers). If you have poor regulation and dishonest players, you get what happened in California.

              Oil is a fungible commodity traded on a global market; it can be stored and the volumes around are an order of magnitude bigger.

              The situation with oil today is the same as that with the economy: too many people have been living beyond their means / using more resources than are readily available. The only solution is to cut back. No whining about manipulation or the "need" for oil to live is going to change that hard reality.

              But hey, denial and finding scapegoats is so much easier.

              Of course, it's a winner politically, so why not. But it's not right.

          •  Politics (4+ / 0-)

            And afraid Americans are stupid enough to fall for the Repub argument that drilling offshore will bring down gas prices. And they may just be especially when the MSM covers the "politics" of offshore drilling, i.e. will this help/hurt the candidates, instead of actually examining the claims and educating the public.

          •  Obama said he would consider it if what he wants (4+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            dwcal, greenearth, CTMET, axel000

            is part of the deal.  He's not simply going along with it, but would consider it as part of a compromise to solve our energy crisis and find alternative sources of energy that can be put to use rapidly.  What I would do is make this deal and when I'm in power, tax the daylights out of the excess oil profits.

            •  The chances of a compromise (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              beancounter

              The public is fixated 100% on gas and heating oil prices. There's no talk about long term plans for conservation or getting off oil. If you talk about plugin hybrids or bicycling or moving closer to work, people look at you like you just landed from a different planet. Most people are determined to resume Business As Usual as soon as they get some relief in prices.

          •  I think Obama is making the right choice... (0+ / 0-)

            He never said, "I'm for off-shore drilling".  He said if it were a limited part of an effort to create a reformed energy policy - primarily shift to energy independence -  he'd go along to get the ball rolling.  Bi-partisan cooperation and all.  McCain is trying to say Obama is stubborn on this.  Why not take that meme away from MCain and put it back in his court.  Who looks stubborn now.  Post-partisan is what Obama said he'd be.

            But even if the bill passes, it turns out the chances of actual offshore drilling is a lot slimmer than McCain and Bush seem to think.  Thanks to governors who know what their golden egg is: tourism.

        •  I like this idea (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Creosote, beancounter

          Put your money where your mouth is Oil Industry, you can have these leases, free of charge, once all the oil is drilled from your existing leases.

          Maybe they'll actually start producing more given some impetus.

          http://axel000.livejournal.com

          by axel000 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 03:16:42 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  but they are doing this (0+ / 0-)

          and they have been winning. That's why it's so crazy that they are backing sown NOW. That includes Obama even though he has clearly said they would have to show some real change in their positions on alternative energy.

          That's is the whole reason that Nancy sent the House home and the Repugs. staged their little pizza party in the dark. She has been saying forever...drill what you have and we'll talk - use it or loose it.

          Sheesh this is frustrating.

      •  Ironically, the won't get their way! (0+ / 0-)

        Because Republicans WON'T compromise and allow a bill with "alternative energy" proposals or tax hikes on oil companies to pass! The Republicans in the Senate would much rather have a campaign issue than a bill.

        And that's good news for the American consumers!

        Even if they pass a bill, Bush would veto it. So, the chances of something being passed between now and January 2009 aren't all that hot.

        After the election what incentive is there? And between now and then is only 2 months when everybody is campaigning and nothing major can get done, because of all the grand-standing.

        I think if this was going to pass, Democrats and Republicans would have had to work out a compromise this week. When they didn't I breathed a sigh of relief.

        We can take this up next year with a very different Congress and President Obama.

    •  Great post......lays it out (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Creosote, citizenx

      in clear, concise terms ( except for one glaring point

      We won't even address the issue of the oil companies not having the available resources to drill at all the sites they wish to now

      addressed above. An overlooked point has been the lack of available equipment to do any signifigant drilling. Something that will take years to rectify. ). Lays it all out. Problem is, I know this, you know this. Heck, all of us here know this. How does this get to be known by all out there in the World? The hyperactive jabber about offshore drilling and said leases would end tomorrow if this was understood by all affected. Indeed, a backlash of resentment fueled cry's for accountability could be expected.

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 02:58:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The corporate media is ramping up the (27+ / 0-)

    coverage of this joke, and it's potentially going to be played by the media shills as something 'important'.

    Never mind that when Democrats tried to do the same they were nearly universally ignored.

    This stunt is going to be twisted and distorted by corporate media and used as a bludgeon to beat over the heads of Democrats.

    Here is where the rubber meets the road: is America smart enough to reject this Repugnant bullshit, or not?

    "If the answer is infinite light why do we sleep in the dark?" Paul Simon

    by shpilk on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:19:33 AM PDT

  •  Sorry to say this (5+ / 0-)

    but it looks like Obama caved. Doesn't matter, he is still the man to me.

  •  The word "justice" has lost it, too. (7+ / 0-)

    Because these fuckers will never see the inside of the cell they so richly deserve.

    I stand by my original analogy between the Joker and bin Laden and the Riddler and Hussein. -- Greasy Grant

    by TheBlaz on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:20:29 AM PDT

  •  Agreed (5+ / 0-)

    Although I would note that Gray Davis was recalled because he didn't stand up to Enron and the other energy companies like he should have. He was a total wuss and let them rob us in broad daylight.

    I'm glad to hear that Obama is willing to compromise somewhat on offshore oil drilling, if only because it might allow for higher fuel efficiency and more money for renewables. It takes so long to finalize an oil lease and built a new oil rig that President Obama could change his mind after the election, and Republicans will look like suckers.

    Old Man McCain.com - the best anti-McCain blog on the web!

    by existenz on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:21:18 AM PDT

    •  Bullshit. (9+ / 0-)

      Davis did what he could. Our current administration screwed us. Boxer couldn't get a meeting with Cheney while Lay got dozens.

      •  I worked hard - when the state Democratic ... (8+ / 0-)

        ...Party abandoned him - to keep Gray Davis from being recalled. Organized some precincts, made phone calls.

        But when the first news of the Enron's manipulation came out, Gray Davis did nothing. In fact, the day the first news story appeared in the Sacramento Bee, Davis was doing one of his usual fund-raising soirees ... with, you guessed it, energy companies. It was six months before he spoke out. He said the right things at that time. By then, it was too late.

        I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

        by Meteor Blades on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:33:36 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Just one caveat: (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          TracieLynn, greenearth, LillithMc

          The flood doors of deregulation were not opened by Gray Davis. That was done, as one of the last acts of the previous Governor, Republican Pete Wilson. And when the recall was heating up, it was Pete Wilson who ran Arnold's campaign. I think the Republicans knew what was coming and encouraged it. I know that what Gray Davis didn't do was pretty damning, but I've always wondered if he just got suckered. Sure looked like a Wilson set-up to me.

          "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on."--Dorothy Parker

          by martyc35 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:46:08 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Davis supported energy deregulation ... (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            drewfromct, greenearth

            ...in part perhaps because he received $97,000 of the $438,000 Enron gave to California politicians in the 1990s. No, he didn't sign the bill, being lieutenant governor at the time, but he didn't oppose it. Of course, the vast majority of Democrats didn't oppose it. They just blew off the consumer group opposition that predicted higher prices.

            I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

            by Meteor Blades on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:56:32 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  FERC was the bigger issue (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              greenearth, LillithMc

              Regardless of what Davis did or didn't do, the problem was that FERC was the cop asleep on the beat, enabling Enron and others to game the system and literally manipulate the market for huge profits with, potentially, deminimus fines.

              e.g. A $ 2 million profit against a $25K fine sounds like a damn fine business model to me!

              •  Agreed that FERC was a big problem. There ... (3+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                martyc35, greenearth, LillithMc

                ...were lots of big problems. But, even though I worked my ass off to keep Davis from being recalled, and even though Enron was crooked in its dealings), the governor failed us, too, even though he has since done what he can to revise his personal history in this regard.

                I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

                by Meteor Blades on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:30:42 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

    •  I'm sorry (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greenearth, Neon Mama

      but as a Florida resident, I am strongly against offshore drilling, much as you would be against a nuclear power plant, et al, in your neighborhood.  Florida is already in what has been called the worst recession in the country.  With time our economy will improve as part of the ongoing cyclical nature of economics.  Ruining our beaches will put the final nail in the coffin for the only two industries we have:  tourism and real estate.

      •  Oh goody. (5+ / 0-)

        More oil leases in the Gulf up on the auction block.  The people on the Texas coast can only hope these leases will be used as trading assets instead of actually being used for more drilling.

        The Gulf is filthy; the Texas beaches are filthy; the water from the Gulf that was dumped on the Rio Grand Valley by hurricane Dolly was filthy and is now resulting in the breeding of swarms of disease-laden mosquitoes.  Oil rigs and ships dump their garbage into the Gulf - millions of tons of it - and black balls of oil that have escaped from the drilling process only to wash ashore make the beaches disgusting and fetid.

        If I lived in Florida or California I would be marching in the streets and screaming, "HELL NO!" to opening the OCS to drilling.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:59:01 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  SueDe (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          rlharry, drewfromct, greenearth

          You would be amazed at the number of rednecks here who WANT them to drill here.  Seriously, it boggles my mind. I don't have the stats here in FL but I would bet you that off-shore drilling in Florida has a 70+ percent approval rating among the idiot Rs that live here.

          •  Red necks in Texas too (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            A Chicagoan in Naples

            Same for the red necks in Texas.  In fact, here is an example of the kinds of LTEs we're seeing in our paper:

            Bubba let me know he was back from his “staycation” in Tioga.
            Bubba is a beer-swigging, can-tossing, proud-to-be-a-redneck kind of guy. But while reading the DRC during his trip, Bubba was shocked to see that some otherwise right-thinking people are saying those who own shares in oil companies are to blame for high gasoline prices at the pump.
            Bubba owns shares in oil companies. He got a few from his old man, a roughneck on oil rigs across Texas. Bubba has an IRA and a retirement stock plan. Both have some energy stock.
            Bubba takes it personally when some letter writer says he needs to “turn over” any profit he makes on these oil company investments.
            He says he does not like what he pays for groceries, so if you own shares in Wal-Mart or Kroger, you need to send him your dividends.
            Fair is fair.
            Bubba blames dumb politicians for the high price of gas here in America. He read somewhere that we are sitting on more oil and gas than is in all of those Arab countries. Bubba says we need to drill here and now — onshore and offshore, under the golf course, under his grandma’s house.
            “Git ’er done,” as one of Bubba’s role models would say.
            I hope I got most of this right. When I took out all the cuss words and sputtering noises, I worried that I might have misquoted him. If I have, I’m sure Bubba is going to let me know.

            Some of these are probably written by oil company executives.  Or just gullible low information rethugs.

            "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

            by rlharry on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 08:01:56 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  It's a Product Campaign (18+ / 0-)

    It's like a product campaign coordinated with a political party.  I was watching CNN as they reported on the Republicans in the House demanding offshore drilling, and EVERY commercial break had an oil industry ad, demanding offshore drilling.

    This was obviously coordinated, with the ads running in support of the effort on the House floor.

    I have to wonder if the dramatic increase in the price of oil was also timed to prime the public for this campaign.

    I wrote about this yesterday,

    This is a political party involving itself in a corporate product marketing campaign, for money. This "drill now" campaign is funded by oil companies, and is about giving them even more special government favors. It isn't a lot different from changing a stadium's name to "Enron Stadium" or Pac Bell park" etc.

    It's just obvious...

    -- Seeing The Forest -- Who is our economy FOR, anyway?

    by davej on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:21:20 AM PDT

  •  Then why doesn't Obama (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RainyDay, greenearth, edg

    make a speech about this instead of hinting that he will actually support offshore drilling?

  •  I've been making this argument (12+ / 0-)

    since this all began. Since our elected reps don't seem to have any sort of battle plan maybe one of our environmental groups can make an ad. It's simple.

    Just play the recording of the energy traders laughing about screwing the granny in Barstow.

  •  Bill Clinton and Enron (6+ / 0-)

    Hate to throw the turd in the punchbowl here, but let us no lose sight of the fact that much of Enron's actual thievery took place during the Clinton administration.

    All that money didn't disappear simply because the Republicans took office.

    Just sayin

    Someday, everything's gonna be different- when I paint my masterpiece

    by NYContrarian on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:27:25 AM PDT

  •  Corporate media is doing everything they can (10+ / 0-)

    to make Obama look craven in the offshore drilling 'compromise'.

    It is almost impossible to find this complete quote in a Google search.

    "Like all compromises, it also includes steps that I haven't always supported," Obama conceded. "I remain skeptical that new offshore drilling will bring down gas prices in the short-term or significantly reduce our oil dependence in the long-term, though I do welcome the establishment of a process that will allow us to make future drilling decisions based on science and fact."

    Almost every major news outlet is failing to quote this statement. It has been effectively wiped from narrative.

    "If the answer is infinite light why do we sleep in the dark?" Paul Simon

    by shpilk on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:27:46 AM PDT

    •  And that surprises you? What is surprising ... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greenearth

      is that Obama would make such a bone-headed move, knowing the MSM would pounce on the juicy bits and leave the nuance on the cutting room floor. Maybe he's not as smart as I thought.

      McCain's speaking style: Like a bad Andy Rooney impersonator, except not that good.

      by edg on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:28:26 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Oncoming? (3+ / 0-)

    ... to the oncoming freight train of peak oil ...

    Haven't we already passed it?

    •  Actually... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greenearth, Demi Moaned

      ...its running over us right now!

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight. John McCain = Old Boat Anchor

      by JeffW on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:48:44 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Freight train, freight train ... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        greenearth, JeffW

        That's a more apt extension of the metaphor. I'm originally from the South Side of Chicago which is freight train central. Even running a fairly short errand, you never knew when a freight train (even multiple freight trains) would completely throw off your schedule.

        So, I'll extend it one step further and say, it's gonna be a long freight train.

        •  Oh? (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          greenearth, Demi Moaned

          Sout' Side? Where? I grew up in Marquette Manor, 65th & Mozart.

          Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight. John McCain = Old Boat Anchor

          by JeffW on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:44:44 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  117th and Hale (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Pete Rock, JeffW

            A block and a half from the city limit (Blue Island). Hale is directly adjacent to the Rock Island (The Rock Island line is a mighty fine line) tracks between about 112th and 119th.

            I went to Brother Rice (class of '72) at 99th and Pulaski. By that time we were at 105th and Leavitt. Going out 103rd there were two sets of tracks between us and my school. I remember getting stopped by freight trains at both sets of tracks more than once.

  •  Hunter, can't you get in trouble (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    luaptifer, Phil S 33, greenearth

    posting conspiracy theories here?

    ;-)

    NFTT Progressively supporting the troops

    by Timroff on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:30:42 AM PDT

  •  Spill here, Spill now! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth, JeffW

    I hope that someone with more photoshop skills than I (and I have none) can superimpose the Rethugs' real motto over an appropriate pic and the McCain logo.

    Please?

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:31:36 AM PDT

  •  Last night on Comedy Central I watched a comedian (9+ / 0-)
    who described Republican/Corporate policy fairly well (I love comedians, they put things in perspective).

    Republicans get you to get upset about things that do not actually effect you, or anyone you know, unless you have Bill Gates type of money.

    Like getting upset about the death tax, when that is something 90 percent of the country should not worry their little heads about.  

    I have heard people around me complain about the Democrats not allowing the poor Oil Companies drill for oil. ????????? Yeah, I have better things to worry about than the fate of the Oil Companies.

    some people will rec anything

    by Krush on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:33:55 AM PDT

  •  Not only arent' they drilling the fields (11+ / 0-)

    already under contract, they also have ratcheted down refining capacity. They've built no new refineries, and the ones in operation are, to the best of my knowledge, under performing.
    This s all about manipulating the market and owning all the resources. Once they have oil tied up, they'll go after the water supplies.

    "In a time of universal deceit -- telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

    by MA Liberal on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:34:30 AM PDT

    •  No new refinries (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SaraBeth, Shocko from Seattle

      Please research why there has not been a new refinery constructed since 1976. It may change your opinion.

      •  If you know the reason, why not say so? (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        greenearth, Nespolo, CatfishBlues

        "In a time of universal deceit -- telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

        by MA Liberal on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:45:01 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Don't you know? (0+ / 0-)

          No new refineries have been built because evil America-hating liberals and dirty commie pinko hippies have been ruling the country since the late sixties. I know this because I see it everywhere on teh intertubes!

          Seriously, they really believe this nonsense!

          I wonder how many Rethugs are clamoring to have new refineries built in their neighborhoods? NIMBYism is pretty bipartisan, last time I checked.

          Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

          by drewfromct on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:07:48 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  OK, OK. (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            rlharry, drewfromct

            I thought you were giving me a challenge! I actually did go and Google it and it has something to do with how expensive it is to build refineries, hard to find investors, etc. Yeah, like with those billions they just made in one quarter they couldn't part with some - cost of doing business!

            Sigh.

            ;)

            "In a time of universal deceit -- telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

            by MA Liberal on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 04:02:36 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  kinda like the (4+ / 0-)

      diamond market...

      Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:46:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  California has closed over 20 refineries in the (8+ / 0-)

      last 25 years,it may be more now. Other refineries have been boosted somewhat,to drive efficiencies.

      But the overall utilization is around 85%,and at that rate, a million and a half barrels equivalent is exported . That is per barrel( 42)  or 63 million gallons of gasoline, for instance.

      there is NO SHORTAGE! there is a surplus being speculated in heavily.

      The same cries for short term fixes were heard in 1967, 1974, 1979,and othertimes to push the problemof creating a new clean energy paradigm and burning fossil fuels down the road.  Each time the aftermath was a collapse in political  will and steady lobbying to go backwards ,fromReagan,and Bush 1 and Ford and Bush 2. Only now it is much worse.

      John McCain: a survivor, not a hero. Just ask his first wife. He had his chance to be a hero and blew it.

      by Pete Rock on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:58:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Bear Stearns is controlling home heating oil (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MA Liberal

      in the Northeast.  They made huge contributions to all key politicians in the primaries and even went so far as to purchase oil tanks in New Haven harbor where they can store oil and keep it off market if necessary.  Also, it's a cover to anyone who says they're only speculating and not intending to take actual delivery of the oil.  Now we have home heating oil companies in Connecticut who have to buy oil from a bank?  Again, we need thousands of people in the streets.  I don't know what's happened to people, but they wouldn't be this passive in Europe, especially France.  I love France!

      •  Sorry, not Bear Stearns, it's Morgan Stanley. (0+ / 0-)

        Bear Stearns was already saved by the Federal Reserve.  Guess I had them on my mind.  Isn't it nice to have the feds bail you out when you mess up your business?  How many of us would get that help?

  •  It seems to me that governing has become... (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    drewfromct, greenearth, LillithMc, JeffW

    ...much to important to be left to politicians. At least to politicians that are elected by a process inherently corrupted by the method it is financed.

    Elections financed by contributions from private citizens and private organizations are doomed to result in a disappointing outcome, at least in terms of the quality of governing that such elections produce.

  •  Great post Hunter... :) (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth, trinite, JeffW

    Could you expand on the cost effectiveness of drilling today? Some here seem to think that BigOil is just waiting with baited breath, with rigs at the ready, to trash our coasts...

    I have been trying to explain, but some are not listening... but you could probably do a much better job and get more attention if you could simplify WHY BigOil just isn't going to drill new leases...above and beyond what you just wrote...

  •  Drill------for drill (7+ / 0-)

    Drill " Why ?
    The price of oil is determined by the cartel.
    It has nothing to do with supply and demand.
    We could "drill" everywhere.
    As long as the cartel determines the price
    of crude oil, nothing will change.
    Do you believe that we will find oil
    gushing out of the ground somewhere?
    Not likely.
    The call to drill is the reason for these
    outrageous prices.  
    Ending the hold the cartel has on the market
    would be more effective than "drilling for drill".
    Fighting a war for them has made a lot
    of money for the "Oil Maggots".
    These "NeoNazis" are still trying to control us.
    Will you let them?

    •  no we won't edscan! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greenearth
    •  Depends (4+ / 0-)

      on whether moderate Dems catch the stupids from Republics like KayBay and Corndog Cornyn, both top recipients of oil moolah, the corporate backed media and the right wing spin machine.  Most Americans don't have a clue about what Hunter has written so eloquently here and are already buying the right wing corporate spin to drill drill drill.

      "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

      by rlharry on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:58:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The conceit of Free Market Capitalism (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      drewfromct, greenearth, shaharazade

      Is that it is at all free and fair. The people who run the markets, well, run the markets. And boy! are they capitalists.

      I heard on the BBC (sorry can't seem to track it down on the web site, might have been a talking head) that the price of oil due to pure supply and demand should be around $55/barrel. The rest is put down to uncertainty in the markets.

      Every and any trick is being used to to push the oil price up. Strange how this week a high up Israeli politician claimed that Iran was about to make a break through in nuclear technology, even when US intelligence estimates say the Iranians have stopped military research in this area. Sounds a bit like when Hans Blix said Iraq had no WMD.  

      What price oil if Iran kicks off?

      We are living in a truly screwed up world.

      Casualty is the first truth of war. (-6.00,-7.03)

      by Foreign Devil on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:16:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hunter-- (8+ / 0-)

    as I've said before, you are a genius.

    I'm just glad you are on our side.

  •  Please walk me through this (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SaraBeth

    Our country is in an major energy crisis. Moderates both Democratic and Republicans are aligning themselves with folks like T Boone Pickens and want a total effort on off shore drilling, alternative fuels, cleaner coal, nuclear,and wind. Current Democratic leadership do not want off shore drilling, coal, or nuclear. It seems to me that we need all to get out of this problem. Secondly we need to abandon bio fuels using corn as it is a "dirty" non solution that is raising the price of human and animal food.

    Now the real question is what is the issue here? Dems vs. Reps, or common sense versus a political agenda?

    We need a total commitment across the board with nothing sacred.

    •  Commitment to what? Our need for energy vs (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greenearth, JeffW

      a need for profits?   Dems vs Repubs--that's it in a nurshell.

    •  This is bad news for all the Corn Energy Cartels (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greenearth
      My God, what has happened to our country?

      It's the Corn Growers and their surrogate Democrats!

      Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us.

      some people will rec anything

      by Krush on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:46:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Corn-tentious! n/t (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Krush, greenearth

        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight. John McCain = Old Boat Anchor

        by JeffW on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:51:23 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  See that's the problem (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Krush

        just because someone says hey this bio fuel stuff is really cool, neat, and the answer to our problems doesn't make it true. The pollution from the run off from farms alone is major problem. couple that with the fact that bio fuel from corn is less than 25% as powerful as gas is a problem as well. Bio fuels is somewhat like snake oil and about as effective.

        •  Cornstraw arguments! I love it. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          greenearth
          Tell, me Jaws, have you ever seen a corn energy production factory?

          Driven by one? Saw one on the teevee?

          If you have, please let me know. I will go with you to investigate their woeful practices.

          We can't let this travesity go undocumentend.

          some people will rec anything

          by Krush on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:06:44 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Actually (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            drewfromct, Krush

            for generations my family and friends distilled "white lightning" using corn as the basic ingredient. a corn bio fuel plant does exactly the same thing only a larger scale. If you would surf the web a little bit you will see article after article about the destruction of forests in Indonesia (palm oil) and Brazil (sugar)all for ethanol. Secondly you will learn about the real costs of using corn. From sucking up 25% of our nations corn for ethanol we have artificially raised the price of corn resulting in higher costs you are paying for food.

            I'm not so sure what your agenda is are you a proponent of corn as a bio fuel. Do you really think this is a "green" alternative? Or you are grasping at straws...any straw that's not petroleum based?

            •  Sorry, I have been snarking you (0+ / 0-)
              Look this is my point: There is no such thing as energy derived from corn on a large scale in this point in time. Or even on a small scale, I daresay. So to argue that

              Secondly we need to abandon bio fuels using corn as it is a "dirty" non solution that is raising the price of human and animal food.

              Just struck me as hilarious. How can something that does not exist raise food prices? Do you really think energy produced from corn (which is imaginary, as we both agree at this point, because you are a rational invidual)is affecting the price of food?

              You can't think that. I am not pro corn fuel, because I think it would be ineffective. I just wanted you to realize that you are believing a bunch of malarky, and maybe you should re-consider your information sources.

              some people will rec anything

              by Krush on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:28:00 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Krush

                I am extremely worried that we will push corn derived fuels. In fact there are 2 ethanol plants being constructed within 150 miles of my hometown. It's a dead end that needs to be stopped. We need to research other means than using "crops" as fuel

                •  Ethanol plants are being constructed (0+ / 0-)
                  because oil companies are using ethanol to mix with gasoline. It's cheaper than drilling. But there is not production of pure ethanol fuel.

                  I am not sure if that would be a possible fuel form. Ethanol is just an additive for gasoline.
                  And it would be environmentally disatourous, but that has never stopped the oil companies.

                  some people will rec anything

                  by Krush on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:57:23 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

  •  Not in My Backyard??? Hypocrisy!!! (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth, Jaws501, DRKos

    Places like Nigeria where chronic corruption, environmental neglect and resulting unrest and instability lead to pipeline explosions, oil spills and illegal siphoning by the poverty-stricken population -- which leads to more spills and explosions. Just this week, two Royal Dutch Shell pipelines had to be shut down because bombings by local militants were causing leaks into the ground.

    Compare the Niger Delta to the Gulf of Mexico where deep-sea U.S. oil rigs withstood Hurricanes Katrina and Rita without a single undersea well suffering a significant spill.

    The United States has the highest technology to ensure the safest drilling. Today, directional drilling -- essentially drilling down, then sideways -- allows access to oil that in 1970 would have required a surface footprint more than three times as large. Additionally, the U.S. has one of the most extensive and least corrupt regulatory systems on the planet.

    Does Pelosi imagine that with so much of America declared off-limits, the planet is less injured as drilling shifts to Kazakhstan and Venezuela and Equatorial Guinea? That Russia will be more environmentally scrupulous than we in drilling in its Arctic?

    The net environmental effect of Pelosi's no-drilling willfulness is negative. Outsourcing U.S. oil production does nothing to lessen worldwide environmental despoliation. It simply exports it to more corrupt, less efficient, more unstable parts of the world -- thereby increasing net planetary damage.

    You want oil but you don't want to drill for it in your backyard - think about it.

    •  Afraid to LEAD? we need a real change in this . (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      TracieLynn, Neon Mama, JeffW

      The same thugs and liars like Inhofe and Kyle stopped
      a balanced energy bill by one vote in the Senate(to override a filibuster) including "Green" McCain who skipped the vote claiming he was  for the environment,etc, are now howling and shrieking for more drilling.

         Drilling that is 10 years away from any modest at best decreases because of the process, the availability of deep water rigs and so on. And very small results at that! The oil willgo to the world market!

        The lying is the claim that immediate impact on prices will be felt, even from moves that will not happen for many years to come. Who is funding these shallow and slanted opinion polls to grab outcomes that reinforce the drilling everywhere mantra, handing over additional millions of acreage to the companies to fatten their claims of huge resources in their control to add to stock market values?

      The Republican fossil fueled bribed shills are carping about trying to make an issue of their total dishonesty.

       Oil prices are dictated by a world market. 80 plus million barrels a day are flowing, about 22% or so to the USA. Most of the imported oil is coming from places that will not be affected by small changes in US production  which is what OCS drilling now (even if possible) or in the future.

      Prices will still rise or not drop much because of the collapse of the US dollar. That is the fact about "gas prices" the politicians are loathe to tell their constituents. The Republicans are pretending that isn't happening at all, while the Democrats are having trouble admitting how grim the situation is in the face of corporate cheerleading media onslaughts and pandering.

      We have often had this scene before: gimmicks, temporary bursts of alternative fundings, limited incentives to get off fossil fuels.Then they quietly  allow expiration of incentives or quietly kill off  the alternative energy projects when the public is used to the higher gas prices.

       Each and every time after the latest "gas crisis" of the last 40 years, the fossil fuel lobbyists and their bribed politicians have betrayed the effort for a permanent change and large scale moves away from oil.

        Why don't the Democrats embrace and admit that history and tell America and their opponents in the Senate, Congress and White House this is a fight to the death for the future of America as a 21st century nation, either we are to be a beacon of hope or to be a failed oil empire?

       The bluff and bluster should be exposed. Royalties and lease payments must be reconfigured to world class standards. 50% revenues.  All companies from anywhere welcome, a true open auction on the world market. Full environmental protections in place or heavy penalties to follow. Use them or lose them, a shortened period of leasing (to prevent stockpiling and boosting Wall Street prices for the speculators inside these companies).  And heavy repricing of old leases in future years, with the added revenue to go to developing government funded alternatives to stabilize a new transport paradigm, like fully electric cars on a new national energy grid.

        Let the Republicans shriek their heads off. It is the fair and open market dictated by what America wants and needs, not the fossil fuel bandits and their bribed pit bulls like McCain and the rest of the Republican liars.

      John McCain: a survivor, not a hero. Just ask his first wife. He had his chance to be a hero and blew it.

      by Pete Rock on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:51:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Crocodile tears (4+ / 0-)

      I no more believe that you give a shit about environmental justice than I do that you have any "inside info."

      Yesterday you spammed the threads with demands for answers as to why there had been no drilling votes, but had no info -- inside or otherwise -- as to why use-it-or-lose-it wasn't a drilling vote.

      Enough with your fake-ass  international environmental justice concern trolling, already.  

    •  Don't steal Krauthammer's (0+ / 0-)

      material without attribution

      8/29 changed everything Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.10

      by wsexson on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:47:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Corporate terrorism..... (6+ / 0-)

    hmmmm, I really like the idea of flinging that phrase around.

    Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:39:59 AM PDT

  •  A perfect example of how this all works ... (12+ / 0-)

    ...in terms of leases can be seem at the Port Thomson unit in Alaska. These are oil and gas leases on state-owned land, not federal leases, but they operate similarly. For 19 years, Exxon has been sitting on them. The state Department of Natural Resources finally gets fed up and threatens to take them away and what happens? See: State mulls Exxon's Point Thomson plans:

    Exxon Mobil met with state officials two weeks ago as a precursor to applying for permits for the company's proposed drilling program at the Point Thomson field on the eastern North Slope.

    The state and Exxon are in a lawsuit over the Alaska Department of Natural Resources decision to terminate the Point Thomson unit, a precursor to possibly taking back the leases from the oil giant and other oil companies.

    The state forms oil field units -- uniting diverse lease holders -- so that production from an oil or gas field can be maximized.

    Point Thomson is known to have large amounts of natural gas and oil, but its geology is tricky, and over the past couple decades Exxon and the other companies have not moved to start production. The Natural Resources Department says the state has waited long enough.

    Exxon said the purpose of its June 18 meeting was to explain a drilling program it wants to start next winter and get feedback from the regulators on finalizing permit applications.

    Nan Thompson, petroleum manager for the department's Division of Oil and Gas, said her department would evaluate the permit applications and might issue some permits, depending on what activities were being permitted, what leases were involved and the status of ongoing litigation.

    No drilling, no drilling, no drilling. Oh, you're going to sue to take the leases back. Maybe we can do some drilling. They don't call these guys operators for nothing.

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:40:03 AM PDT

  •  it all makes sense, of course (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    Repubs feel like Dems take their money and give it to people that are too lazy to work and programs/services that they will never need or use. So, when they get into office, they take it back any way they can.

    We have been looted, yet only the "lunatic left" seems to care about it (everyone else is either ignorant of the fact or a Repub themselves?).

  •  brilliant article (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SaraBeth, greenearth, batgirl71

    Hunter you are 100% spot on BUT refusing to compromise on energy like the bi-partisan Senate bill, will only get John McSame elected president. What will that gain us? Compromise now, and let Obama lead us to energy independence. Don't let the neo-cons beat us over the head with our refusal to drill offshore. This is a no-brainer.

  •  I'd be 300% behind offshore drilling (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    drewfromct, greenearth, Neon Mama, JeffW

    in exchange for a little tweak of CERCLA (Superfund Act):  Add petroleum to hazardous substances and U.S. terratorial waters to sites and I'd tell these "patriots" to go at it -- that is, if they have any money left from having to clean up prior contaminations.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:42:51 AM PDT

  •  Americans Blame Big Oil (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    drewfromct, greenearth, Neon Mama

    Not Democrats and not Environmental laws.

    Here is the latest.

    http://money.cnn.com/...

    Dems shouldn't give an inch on this issue. The people are starting to get the whole picture.

    Reminding everyone about Enron will really help because the deregulation of the energy markets is still in effect when it comes to oil.

    Where do you think all those Enron traders got new jobs?

    "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

    by greendem on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:49:39 AM PDT

    •  Do you believe in Santa Clause? (0+ / 0-)

      My kids believe in Santa, but that's not where the presents come from; and just as the link you provided shows: "global supply-and-demand fundamentals" is the primary factor driving oil prices higher.  In addition, while the poll (which we don't know how the questions were phrased - a very important detail when polling) shows 68% of respondents think U.S. oil companies are to blame, it also sites 74% of respondents believe Democrats have some cause of the high prices.

      This is exactly why Obama is now changed his position and is ready to entertain off-shore drilling.

      •  So why is anyone still teaching their kids (0+ / 0-)

        to believe in Santa?  It is a horrible training to believe you can lower taxes and still have dependable roads, police services, schools, etc. You want them to grow up to be credit card Republicans. You want them to know you are a liar. You want the rest of us to go along with this fairytale attitude about life?

        I'm telling.

        De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

        by Neon Mama on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:46:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  shameful, not shameless - and what opposition (0+ / 0-)

    party ever failed to calculate the electoral algorithm?

    R's are playing right into Pelosi/Reid's dirty little compromised hands, and I don't like it one bit.

    Our Congressional Leaders are squirmy and gutless worms. The filth of their brand of politics makes me throw up a little every time I speak their names.
    But fortunately I have a strong stomach.

    They never really tested their's. The Kabuki of the anthrax scare was just for us. There have been no threats against them - they are merely complicit behind the stage. Fear-mongering is not just for Republicans.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:50:17 AM PDT

  •  I lived in Northern CA during those rolling (10+ / 0-)

    blackouts and I remember people dying as a result - their power cut off to their f'ng life support!  Now, of course, many more people are dying for more corporate greed, only this time it's for oil.  It's both infuriating and horrible, which are two words that adequately describe the entire debacle of the Bush Administration, IMHO.

    Good luck, all.  We're gonna need it.

  •  Bush, FERC, and blackouts (5+ / 0-)

    The Bush V Gore decision on Dec 12, 2000 was the signal the energy pirates were waiting for. On Dec 15, 2000 California is paying wholesale rate prices of over $1400 per megawatt, as compared to the average price of $45 per megawatt one year earlier.

    They truly have no shame.

  •  shameless (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    EmilyD, greenearth, brein

    Truly, the word "shameless" has lost all meaning.

    The correct word is traitorous--and for that I think captital punishment is appropriate.  The pigmen are very premeditated.

  •  It's "Shock Economics" As Usual (5+ / 0-)

    and anyone who hasn't read Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine yet really needs to. This oil "crisis" is a classic move by the Friedmanites and time and again it lines the pockets of a band of burglers while bankrupting government.

    When good people of conscience give up the fight for justice, all is lost. Therefore you must not give up. www.politicalartwork.blogspot.com

    by EmilyD on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:59:03 AM PDT

  •  Even Worse - there's very little oil offshore (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    drewfromct, CatfishBlues

    What's even more sad is that the few currently closed offshore lease locations have very little oil as compared to the offshore locations that are already open (available) for leasing.   The Bush Admin and the Repubs in Congress seem to have been successful in promoting the HUGE LIE that there's lots of oil just waiting to be exploited if they could only be allow to drill.   Comments such as Gas would be $2 a gallon if they were allowed to drill have been floated around.  It's all a lie of course.   Thanks to Bush, gas prices have gone up and the Republicans knew that they needed to get ahead of the issue or else get clobbered even worse in the Fall.   Drilling off-shore was clearly the strategy (lie) that they chose.   I suspect that the few intelligent Republicans in Congress know the truth (i.e., that there isn't any oil offshore), but recognized that it's a winning hand and the clueless press won't challenge the Republicans with the facts and flat out call them the liars that they are.

  •  Not a good analogy (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jaws501

    The California energy "crisis" was one state and one company (Enron). Oil is a global commodity. You can't compare the two unless you ignore the existence of everything outside of the USA.

    You are correct about the leases.

  •  Great article. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    drewfromct, Neon Mama, brein

    Also, Enron and their apologists swore up, down and sideways that environmental regulations were the reason for the supply shortages.  Just like now.

  •  Republicans are just BITTER. (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans actually staging a pizza party on the floor of the darkened, shuttered House in order to actually celebrate their desire to help another set of corporate speculators plunder the energy markets at taxpayer and consumer expense.

    They are bitter everyone is realizing that "Stacking Corpses" is a failure as an Energy Policy.

  •  Time to put the "Peak Oil" myth to bed. (4+ / 0-)

    While we will run out of oil someday, the recent tripling of oil prices has LITTLE OR NOTHING to do with so-called "peak oil" and everything to do with market manipulation, speculation, currency deflation and Bush's war on the people.

    Let's put this puppy to bed once and for all. While it is an admirable goal to reduce consumption and develop alternative energy sources, that process must be decoupled from the daily scary headlines. Otherwise, if the price of gas drops 50 cents, everyone will conveniently develop amnesia and return to their gas-guzzling ways.

    Enough already.

    McCain's speaking style: Like a bad Andy Rooney impersonator, except not that good.

    by edg on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:16:01 AM PDT

  •  Thanks Hunter! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth, Stwriley

    I agree with others here that Obama's statement on offshore drilling was politically smart, blunting McCain's move, and in fact concedes nothing since everything is going to change in November anyway.  

    Unfortunately, it's pissing off a lot of Democratic environmentalists, though in fact, offshore drilling is not nearly as much of a risk to the environment as runoff, but we don't talk about that.

    The oil companies are not going to drill offshore anyway! It's too expensive and they only care about profits.  They just want the capital dump on the balance sheets from the leases. Put rational conditions on the leases like use them or lose them clauses and suddenly the oil companies will be complaining that they need further subsidies for test drilling, etc. or they won't take the risks. They'll claim there isn't enough oil offshore to bother with — which is exactly what Pelosi is saying, and she's informed about the research.

    "True peace is not merely the absence of tension -- it is the presence of justice." MLK

    by dhaemeon on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:17:56 AM PDT

    •  Obama really did concede nothing... (0+ / 0-)

      with his statements in Florida.  He presents the whole thing simply as a sop to the other party to move the energy legislation that really counts.  It's clever strategy indeed as long as the press goes along.  If even the AP is now singing the "drilling won't get us lower gas prices" song we might well see a serious shift in the public perception of this nonsense. Once that happens this becomes just another campaign-killer for McCain and his resident Rove-shop boys.

      I say, nicely played Barack!

      History has a well known reality bias.

      by Stwriley on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:31:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Food and Weapons - Same story. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    drewfromct, Neon Mama, brein

    The artificially inflated food prices make the Third World go hungry and get partial "relief" from Western countries that pay farming corporations the inflated prices with the price being a few more dead of hunger.

    The fake Iraq war increased weapons prices and the price of private armies like Blackwater and Halliburton. (Afghanistan was too small a war to increase weapon prices).

    The Robber Barons (so called multi-nationals mostly!) of the 21st century are the same as those of the early 20th. History will teach of a 70 year interlude, due to the New Deal.

  •  Bingo.... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    chrismorgan

    ...that is why the Democratic process has been co-opted. When you have a cabalistic cartel that is able to manipulate prices so easily and the political process as well, do you still have a Democracy?

    Probably not.

    Please don't tell me you feel sorry for Ben. Ben is a well cared for dalmatian and has not been harmed by my political views.

    by Bensdad on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:20:27 AM PDT

  •  New AP story includes Energy Department #s (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Neon Mama

    This is a bit of a breakthrough in the mainstream press. AP now shows that Bush's own energy department is calling bullshit on new leases = cheaper gas.

    Most energy experts and the government's own research agency at the Energy Department have said drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf, which is now off-limits, would have no impact on current gasoline prices and probably would have none for years.
    http://www.napavalleyregister.com/...

    In light of that Bush retreats to...

    Bush acknowledged it would be years before any of the oil beneath the offshore waters could be pumped, but he said "lifting the ban would create new opportunities for American workers and businessmen."

    Sorry Shrub. If new opportunities for American workers and businessmen is what this is all about, (not about cheaper gas tomorrow) then where is your plan to kick-start the green energy economy?

    Game. Set. Match. You lose, asshole.

    "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

    by greendem on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:21:40 AM PDT

  •  well well well.... (0+ / 0-)

    and all along i thought the govt regulators were looking out for the 'people'
    listen folks, anyone who is honestly paying attention to the behavior of our 'government' has to assume this is exactly the scenario they are planning. and so it will come to pass, there will be some dramatic and theatrical stagecraft by our reps but the great fleecing will continue...a slow collapse but in the same way that those old bridges finally gave way after too many hits, this ponzi scheme we are living is nearing a conclusion...and we will be it's victims...shit shit shit

    Hey, how 'bout we impeach the people who are supposed to do the impeaching and get some other impeachers who are more impeachy?

    by ronny mermaid on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:24:41 AM PDT

  •  The Republicans are doomed... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    chrismorgan, Neon Mama, brein

    ...in Nov., they know it, so you have the typical Republican reaction to that:

     Think up the biggest, wildest, most batshit crazy  scam you can concoct (off-shore oil drilling as an instant solution to high gas prices), release your propaganda talking points to the American traditional media (who gobble it up like it's manna from Heaven), then sit back & watch Dumb America be sucked in by it all.

    As I have said in other comments, the way the Republicans pimped out the Iraq occupation to America shares many similarities to the way they are pimping out this off-shore drilling foolishness.

    "The thought of [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine."-Senator Thad Cochran, Mississippi Republican.

    by wyvern on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:26:55 AM PDT

  •  I still think this is a loser for us... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jaws501

    right now. And I guess we'll now find out in a few months.

    Democrats are terrible at framing an argument, and this is yet another example.

    What's going to be the take-home message, "Drill here, drill now, pay less" or "Offshore drilling will not have any measurable effect on gasoline prices for at least a decade, and even then it will be minimal, so we need to instead invest in alternative energy sources that also won't have any measurable effect on energy prices for quite some time?"

    Flame away, but I don't see this being a winner.

    Sure, they're wrong, and we're right, but how many times have we gotten hammered despite being right?

    Hell, Jimmy Carter was right 30 years ago on this very issue, and soon thereafter became a one-term president.

    ~Doc~

    -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

    by EquationDoc on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:28:29 AM PDT

    •  need to promote workabale alternatives (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      drewfromct, Neon Mama

      Republicans keep saying that most Americans want off shore drilling, but I think that is because the public has not been presented with realistic alternatives.

      The first generation of biofuels has been given  a deserved bad reputation because it causes double digit increases in food prices. But  I have been reading about 2nd and third generation biofuels using algae to produce diesel, gasoline and jet fuel, and these technologies have the potential to do a lot of good things for the country: reduce green house emissions, create good paying jobs, distribute the production around the country, and get the price of fuel way below current prices.

      And there is a lot interest among venture capitalists, the Air Force, Boeing, waste water treatment facilities, the post office, and others. But there is not much press about it. Democrats are not talking specifically about these technologies either; most of the focus seems to be on solar.

      Seems to me that we need to be talking about technologies that can work withing three to five years if we fast track research in these areas. If we start talking about practical alternatives, then we can beat the republicans at their own game.

      Here is a link with more info for those interested:
      http://www.unh.edu/...

      •  As I said, being right isn't enough... (0+ / 0-)

        and the last few months before an important election isn't the time to be making long, difficult arguments, especially ones that rely on research, increased efficiencies, etc.

        Drilling won't do shit, but convince the average low information voter of that. Use 10 words or less, because Rethuglicans have convinced them of the opposite in six: drill here, drill now, pay less.

        I think we're going to get hammered on this.

        I say, take them up on their idiotic claims: tell them they can drill now, and when the new Congress arrives in January, and gas prices are still above $4, tell them they failed and reimpose the ban.

        ~Doc~

        -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

        by EquationDoc on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 03:14:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  How about (0+ / 0-)

      Hey guys!!  When are you going to figure out that you are being lied to, manipulated, bamboozled?  

      Off-shore drilling will do next to nothing to bring down gas prices, but it sure will help those struggling oil companies.

    •  So frame it, come up with a bumper sticker. In (0+ / 0-)

      stead of just bitching and moaning that we are doomed.  Become the solution, not part of the problem.

      I've been what Hunter has since this nonsense began.  Even tried my hand at bumper-stickering: "Real Energy Not Just More $ for BigOil",
      "Give Exxon the World, Vote McSame".

      So I suck at stickers.  Come up with something better.

      •  My point is... (0+ / 0-)

        the progressive position doesn't fit on a freakin' bumper sticker.

        Rethuglican fairy tales tend to fit on bumper stickers, whereas reality is almost always very, very complex.

        How about "Drilling is for suckers" or "Drill more, pay more anyway" or even "Drill here, drill now, pay more anyway"?

        All I can come up with is a way to negate the rethuglican position, I can't come up with a positive summary of the progressive position.

        Peak Oil + More Drilling = Higher Gas Prices Anyway.

        Think Peak Oil

        Envision Peak Oil

        Oil Kills
        Alternative Energy NOW

        What will you do
        when oil runs out?

        When oil runs out
        will you kill for more?

        Sustainable Energy
        It's a Matter of National Security

        Drill Bush, Drill Cheney
        Sustainable Energy NOW

        Bush and Cheney want to drill
        Two good reasons to do the opposite

        Drill here, drill now...
        Then throw Bush and Cheney down the holes

        Drill here? Drill now?
        Who listens to war criminals?

        They lied us into war...
        now they are lying us into drilling.

        They lied to us about the war...
        Do we now listen to them about drilling?

        ~Doc~

        -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

        by EquationDoc on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:03:37 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  We're smarter than them, we should be able to fig (0+ / 0-)

          ure out how to put it on a sticker.  (Studies do confirm liberals are more intelligent, btw.)  My point is I've seen billions of juoles in brain power wasted on 'We can't...' and 'We're all doomed' diaries and comments.  How about turning it to constructive ends?

          Btw, I do like the 'throw Bush/Cheney in the holes' one. ;)

          •  Yeah we *should* be able to... (0+ / 0-)

            so explain why George W. Bush has been president for just over 7 1/2 years now.

            I didn't say we were doomed. I said I saw this as an issue we could very easily lose the argument on.

            Also, it's not us liberals progressives we have to win over, it's independents and open-minded conservatives, who may or may not sit and listen as we put all those gigajoules of brainpower to work explaining the issue.

            I've got a big bumper (except for the space my Obama '08 sticker takes up), I can fit half a dissertation on it. How about...

            Bush and Cheney have been lying since they took office, why would they suddenly start telling the truth about drilling for oil?

            ~Doc~

            -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

            by EquationDoc on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:14:13 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  How about 'Dino-crap kills, why drill more?' (0+ / 0-)

              It has a certain vagueness that might foster thinking and discussion, which is really all we need on this issue.  Once they actually engage the brain, people understand there is no basis for the false belief that drilling is the answer or will bring prices down anytime soon.

              As for Bush - We won 2000, they stole the EVs.  2004 was always going to be unlikely - its very hard to beat an incumbent president, especially in the middle of a war, and most especially when they have no compunctions about going ultra-dirty.  Even then, our crappy candidate nearly beat him (and might have if not for Gavin Newsome and the Mass. Sups).

              •  I was thinking about Jerome's post... (0+ / 0-)

                on the Rec List and amidst all the jewels, I found an especially valuable diamond: he's right that, even though deep down people know drilling won't change a damn thing, there is always the hope that it just might. It's a faith based initiative. Maybe that's the way to go, go for the underlying assumption...

                Drill here, drill now, pay less...
                Yet another Bush faith based initiative.

                Drill here, drill now, pay less...
                Do you believe in fairies too?

                Drill here, drill now, pay less...
                So crazy it just might work?

                Drill here, drill now, pay less...
                Remember to click your heels while saying it.

                Drill here, drill now, pay later...
                Where do the aliens come into this story?

                Drill here, drill now, pay less...
                Can we get UFOs and aliens with that fairy tale?

                Drill here, drill now, pay less...
                And pigs will fly out of your butt too!

                Sustainable energy is not a
                faith-based initiative like drilling.

                Drill! Drill! Drill!
                Everyone likes a good fairy tale.

                You get the idea...

                ~Doc~

                -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

                by EquationDoc on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 10:46:03 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

    •  Loser for us/framing issue (0+ / 0-)

      Commercial starts:  A little boy is crying to his daddy that he wants this new toy he saw in the store.  Dad says that he has enough new toys already.  That he doesn't use the toys he has now.  

      Following spoken narrative:  As a parent you have all seen your kids wants things, even though they don't need them.  The oil companies want new oil leases, even though they don't use the  one's they have now.  And as a good parent, you need to teach your children to respect what they already have, before they can get more.

      Commercial ends:

      Food for thought.  

  •  This W crew knows (0+ / 0-)

    no shame.

    I'm not going anywhere. I'm standing up, which is how one speaks in opposition in a civilized world. - Ainsley Hayes

    by jillian on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:32:58 AM PDT

  •  The Enron screw and environmentalism (0+ / 0-)

    Gotta gotta gotta take this opporunity to point out an outrage from that episode that still has me fuming.

    As pointed out in the diary, Bushco's explanation for the California energy crisis was  California's failure to give permits to new refineries because they are oh-so-prissy about their environment--i.e., those stupid tree-hugging hippies, all their own fault, right?

    Then, just a few months later, Gov Davis asks the Feds to relax the air standards temporarily, to allow California to avoid some of the pain of paying for cleaner but more expensive ethanol.  Just shortly after ADM's CEO [Mr Ethanol] had a chat with Bush aboard Air Force One, guess who got alllllllllll concerned about the environment?

    You guessed it.  Suddenly, Bush was the environment's best friend and couldn't possibly possibly grant requested exemption.

  •  It seems like this is an acknowledgement (0+ / 0-)

    by the oil industry that fears of reaching peak oil are legitimate.  The demand to drill offshore are only a shift in business models as they acknowledge that their profit margins can only remain at current levels through new infusions of income.  If current driving rates continue to decrease, from where else can income be derived?

    It's amazing what people will do to others in the name of themselves.

    by ABlueKansas on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:59:45 AM PDT

  •  Forced Transparency Killed Enron (5+ / 0-)

    In the end, the contracts are signed, the Democratic governor of California is recalled due to a brilliantly plotted, corporate-financed campaign of misdirected consumer outrage, and the looting of the state energy markets would have gone off spectacularly except that in the process, the jackasses at Enron managed to leverage the company into a complete collapse via a number of similarly speculative/manipulative/illegal activities.

    Enron's main "genius" was in hiding debts of its losing business operations in subsidiaries, to keep its stock price up, and credit flowing to expand its losing game. Enron preyed on California's "deregulated" energy markets by working all those scams in secrecy, even though California's remaining regulations required suppliers and operators like Enron to open their financial books for independent audits (including easy investigations by the California state government).

    Enron refused to obey those "sunshine laws". Enron said "we're a Texas corporation; we are ruled by Texas laws, not California laws". And under that contrived cover of secrecy, it exploited everyone, including California's ratepayers.

    That's why Democratic governor Gray Davis asked the Federal government to force open Enron's books. That's what Davis was doing when he asked the Feds for "intervention": asking the Energy Department to exercise its interstate commerce jurisdiction, which is exactly why we have a Federal government. Of course, the Republicans and their nationwide corporate mass media spun that into a lie about "California asking for a government bailout".

    The lie worked: California got shafted in at least $8 BILLION in overcharges. Rep. Daryl Issa (R-CA) engineered the recall of Gray Davis, throwing the $8B deficit in Davis' lap precisely because he tried to stop it. Schwarzenegger of course ran on the lie that the $8B debt was really $40B. Californians were stupid enough to believe him. And once elected, exactly as he secretly agreed in exchange for being the candidate, Schwarzenegger cancelled Davis' lawsuit to recover that money from Enron.

    But it wasn't all as slick as that. Along the way, Enron's books got a lot more attention, and some info of their hidden debts leaked into the markets. Which was the beginning of the end for Enron. Only because investors discovered their secret debt books was anything ever actually done about it.

    I bet that Exxon's story has other parallels. I bet that Exxon is making a lot more than "only" $11.68B a quarter, by hiding profits. It's probably also hiding other debts. And I'm not talking about only its debt to Enron for getting Bush/Cheney elected on its way down.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 12:14:49 PM PDT

    •  Great thumbnail sketch of what happened (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      DocGonzo, brein

      out here in California.

      And now Schwarzenegger is cutting state salaries to the Federal Minimum wage level, which is lower than the CA minimum, and firing part time workers.  We are still paying for Enron's profiteering.

      Which begs the question, what is the point of bankrupting an entire economy?  I get the plan to bankrupt the government so it is unable to govern, but once the people can't afford the commodities that businesses exist to sell, where is the gain?  

      Even in the glory days of the Robber Barons, there was some thought for long term corporate goals.  Today planning only seems to extend to the quarterly profit margins.

      •  Drown the Middle Class in Dust (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        brein

        The point is to derail the entire last century of progress along a path to middle class stability and opportunity. The short term costs are investments in longterm security for the corporate class, feeding on a vast flat world across a chasm of nonexistent middle. Visions of a corporate theocracy living like the "divine right" monarchies and church nobility did for a thousand years. But this time, there's no China/India/Levant to jumpstart a merchant class into upwards mobility and expectations of freedom during a consequent "Enlightenment".

        And once the corporate labs replace cheap labor with robots, there's little use for a lower class, either. That's when the really gruesome regressions come out of the woodwork.

        But just widespread knowledge of that alternate track is enough to use the remaining power of the global middle class to hold onto the progressive track. It takes everything the ruling class has to edge us towards our self-destruction, including keeping the rest of us ignorant and complacent. Just a little bit of awareness makes it prohibitively hard to harness us into working for our own destruction. We still have the advantages, and it's far from too late. The accelerated pace under Bush/Cheney might have pushed the whole hidden game too far into the open to ever regain its advantages of surprise.

        Which is effectively what happened under the Robber Barons, that pressured an arc of socialism that in Europe largely defeated fascism. I suppose it's now America's turn. I hope we're up for it, and for facing the truths that often show us to be our own worst enemy.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 01:58:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Offshore drilling is the hot button issue du jour (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    drewfromct, Neon Mama

    It is also a distraction from the war.  Remember?  The one we continue to pay $10 billion dollars a month for?

    That said, the Democratic machine needs to put some fire behind defending against this crap.

    Hot button issues all have the same elements.  They are presented with a simple right or wrong answer.  They have a seemingly easy solution.  They create an easy target to blame for obstructing that solution, liberals, of course.

    Maybe it would be smarter to avoid being drawn into a defensive and weak position of arguing against the hot button issue.

    In this case, the smart thing to do would be to point out that Bush had eight years to come up with a comprehensive energy plan but gave us a war instead.

    Additionally, the Republican base needs to be reached with the truth.  That truth being that the Republican party doesn't give a damn about them.  The party machine works for and are indistinguishable from the oil industry.

  •  Hunter (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    You've written some great pieces here, but this one takes the cake for clarity and spot-on-ness.  How can we boil this down into a concise parable that would be effective around the dinner table?  Is it possible?  

  •  Drill now is about sentiment (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    Drill now...will not close the gap for oil supply.
    It is a major shift in the mentality of domestic development. That is why prices have already dropped.

    Since the public is now in favor of drilling, including the Great One, this will grow into more support for other options. Next the unions will start to back Nuclear plants and refinery construction. Many union jobs come with that.

    And if economics work out more solar and wind.

    •  Any drop in gasoline prices, is due (0+ / 0-)

      to a drop in consumption, not additional domestic drilling or the prospect of additional domestic drilling.

    •  You are a lying shill for the thieves. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      chrismorgan

      "Thieves" meaning those picking our pockets, trading the blood of our young people for concessions in exclusive contracts in Occupied IraQ, people like Kyle, Chambliss, Barton,the late departed Delay, the incredible idiot Inhofe, the wackjob Colburn, and others feasting on obscene oil prices and payoffs.

      Drill now...will not close the gap for oil supply.

       That is the only true statement you made.

      unions will start to back Nuclear plants and refinery construction. Many union jobs come with that.

      Not if the antiunion groups like McCain and Bush are still around. The oil industry doesn't want real competition anyway, too much money channeled to the oil monopoly to be shared with the likes of other Americans.

      And if economics work out more solar and wind.

      More lying bull.  If lobbyists are worked out of blocking the way and McCain and Bush are not in the White House, maybe some other plan has a chance.

      The economics already work out, the fierce fight is your lobbyist pals fighting tooth and nail to kill off incentives and investment allowances that are a FRACTION of what fossil fuels get routinely with their bribed pals in Congress. Yes, some of the Yellow and Blue  Dogs (Democrats)are really Black and Green dogs- they take oil money just like Republicans to tout the oil cartels' monopoly and stonewall the genuine alternatives. They talk independence BUT voted to allow unlimited imports and the shifting of  manufacturing and processing energy products (cheaper)overseas so they could make more money while average Ameicans went begging for jobs.

        The real change in oil acquisition is to pick countries like Iraq and Iran and possibly a few others (Venezuela) and move in and steal it,  point  of a gun and a trillion dollar war if necessary.

      That is the Republicans' "energypolicy".

      John McCain: a survivor, not a hero. Just ask his first wife. He had his chance to be a hero and blew it.

      by Pete Rock on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 04:11:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Domestic oil or Foreign oil? (4+ / 0-)

    "Domestic oil" is quickly become a buzz word when we talk about energy policy.  I would like to offer a few corrections to how we are thinking about this.

    First:  There is no such thing as "America's oil".  Face the fact, and get use to it:  It is "Exxon's oil". We might have some public utilities still left in this country but the oil industry is not one of them.  It is in no way nationalized.  It is a private industry.  We give the oil under our feet away to private companies, and then buy it back from them.

    Second:  All oil is traded on the international market!  Do you get this?  Oil brought out of the ground by private companies is offered for sale to the whole world.  America doesn't get a first take or a special price.  It is traded on the international market, period.

    Any questions?  Seriously, if you find what I am saying untrue or, well, anything, say something.

    •  I've been using this as a talking point (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Neon Mama, brein, WattleBreakfast

      with those who suggest more offshore oil drilling.  I ask them for some guarantee that Enron, er Exxon, won't sell the oil to China at the going market rate, or higher.

      People really do think that it is American oil!

    •  But we can put restrictions on oil trading (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      WattleBreakfast

      because we buy more oil than anyone else on the planet, and oil companies need us.  There are definitely ways to control oil trading when you purchase as much as we do.  A new international futures exchange has been established, but there are still regulations we can put on any oil that's ultimately coming into the U.S.  There are ways to handle this if we want to do it and get politicians to stop listening to lobbyists.  It should be illegal to take money from anyone connected to a utilitiy or a resource needed for national survival.  These people can still have free speech and say all they want to say, but no money or favors should be exchanged.

      •  In relation to "speculation" or the buying... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        brein

        and selling of "futures" (which is speculation), or outright derivative investments (blatant speculation because you don't purchase any of the commodity itself, termed "naked" speculation), yes, we can regulate this.  We don't currently.  We used to, but that kind of market regulation went out the door with the so-called "Enron Loop-hole" legislation passed a few years ago. But all that still concerns the price of oil and the trading of it on the international market (where we buy our oil from).

        My argument is just that, we (American and the American Consumer) buy our oil via the international market from say Exxon.  The oil is in no way, currently, America's oil.  It is Exxon's oil.

        The only thing the America gets from this method of energy policy is the money Exxon pays for their right to extract oil from our land and sea, in the form of leases.  (Leases are cheap, dirt cheap.)  And the only thing American citizens get are the relatively few jobs created by those who want to work on the rigs or at refineries.

    •  "fungible" is one word Bush had NO TROUBLE (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      WattleBreakfast

      pronouncing while smirking about oil. Here's one concise explanation source.

      http://www.boosman.com/...

      Thanks to the spectacular rise of futures trading, oil has become a fungible global commodity. The conventional notion that stakes in oil fields add up to energy security no longer holds up: if there is an oil shock, then the market price of every barrel of oil in the world will shoot up past $100 a barrel.

      De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

      by Neon Mama on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 02:14:50 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Thanks Hunter (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    Hunter,

    Great work, thanks. I sent the link to your piece to everyone I know, with this note--

    "One of the most perceptive and brilliant pieces I've seen in recent years, and a good example of why people are turning to the Internet for news and commentary."

  •  I suggest we start a petition to make it illegal (0+ / 0-)

    for oil or utility companies to give funds to politicians.  No company that is a business whose product or service is required for national survival should be allowed to give gifts or money to a public servant.

    •  Why can't politicians not accept money (0+ / 0-)

      It seems that the burden should be on the politician to stay clean. Can they not help themselves?

      Every decision a politician makes is going to help some interest group and to assume it was only money that affected that vote does make the politician look very shallow.

      On the other hand maybe we should force all business's to give funds then none could be blamed for favoritism.

      •  Cost of doing business (0+ / 0-)

        On the other hand maybe we should force all business's to give funds then none could be blamed for favoritism

        .

         The biggest companies do this already. They give thousands to one side, maybe twice as much to the other side.  By 2006 they smelled the blood of wounded and desperate republicans, and shifted.
        Tom Delay used to charge $25,000 dollars just for access. He didn't promise he would do anything,just if you wanted to talk to for him,
        well, his time was valuable. Republicans enjoyed big corporate derived advantage in dollars for several years since Bush climbed in to the White Office thanks to the Supremne Court fix.

        Now Democrats are getting equality as the companies hedge their bets. Giving thousands to each means both are on the payroll, the company can't lose.

        Isn't it a wonderful system(Snark)??  

        The elections should be no more than 8 weeks long (vs.2 years of non stop shilling and begging for dollars)and all TV/cable time provided free as a national service in the final few weeks.

        If all businesses paid a gross fee of just 1/4 of 1% transactions and receipts, there would be money for advertising ,holding debates,even travel and the rest could be used for election machines paying for ballots,handouts,etc and nobody could bribe without it becoming a crime . automatically.

        That's 2 1/2 billion dollars out of a trillion dollar economy. Cheap and well worth it! 5 billion available every 2 years! Cover lots of elections and races for that money!

        John McCain: a survivor, not a hero. Just ask his first wife. He had his chance to be a hero and blew it.

        by Pete Rock on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 04:30:24 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Once someone takes money, it's over. (0+ / 0-)

        From then on they owe something to the giver.  Unfortunately, few saints enter the political world.

      •  No. Every business giving money (0+ / 0-)

        would only make it much worse for average citizens who can't afford to give anything or can give only tiny amounts compared to corporations.  Money has corrupted what is supposed to be our republic.  Have you ever received a phone call from a senator?  I'll bet that Exxon has.

      •  You're asking the fox to protect the hen house. (0+ / 0-)

        Self regulation doesn't work or we wouldn't need police.  And no, it's not ALWAYS about money, but with corporations, it often is.  We don't have the market that Adam Smith envisioned.  For example, is it free enterprise when the federal government supports so many defense industries?  Is this the "free market?"  Are war materials going to be our main business forever?  There's no real future in this business.  We'd be much better off going back to consumer products.

  •  Why Exxon wants to open drilling offshore (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pete Rock, Neon Mama

    not to increase production but to increase profits

    Exxon earned an average of $28.95 on every barrel it produced worldwide. In part because taxes are stiffer abroad, it earned $38.52 a barrel in the United States and $27.22 a barrel overseas.

    •  Govt or Exxon ..who makes more money from oil? (0+ / 0-)

      Based on your math Exxon makes .69 cents profit per gallon.

      The only other entity that makes close to that money per gallon is Federal,state, local Goverment taxes.

      For .69 cents of $4 I pay at the pump I don't have a problem with Exxon. Considering they employ over 200,000 people pay more federal taxes then the bottom 50% of all tax payers.

      Also if I want in on those oil profits I only need to buy their stock.

      •  Exxon pays more taxes because (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        rlharry

        they have all the money that was once more evenly distributed.  On this point, your argument is ridiculous.  What do they want?  I guess it's to have all the money and have everyone pay their taxes for them? And most people who work for Exxon earn their pay, except of course the people at the top who are grossly overpaid and don't really do much.  It's the workers who keep any company going and whose work is essential.  Who should be rewarded most, the worker or the investor?  We place very little value on hard work that is the real creator of wealth.  Investments mean nothing unless someone is doing the work that creates profit.  Too bad we place so little value on it.  This nation is sick right now, very sick.  I have nothing against investment or profit, but I do object to grossly overpaid executives and exorbitant profits on human necessities.  I also object to the kind of banking that's going on these days, but that's another story.  And asking these crooks to police themselves is stupid.  

  •  Let them drill all the fucken way to China! (0+ / 0-)

    The majority of Americans are total fucking idiots. The same majority that thought the war was ok.  The same fucking majority that gave a Bush  an 80 % approval after 9/11.  The same majority that re-elected the asshole! The same majority that approved of the Patriot Act!  Its the same majority that wants to drill to hell and back!  If any one believes just because Obama is the Democrat nominee for president that the stupid fucking idiots are going to just go away had better pull their  head out of their anal pore!! Be prepared for a serious fucking WAR. Nothing is going to change in this country until their is a major coup! There will be a breaking point. God only knows when it will happen. Starving homeless masses in the streets lead to riots and total chaos. Blackwater is prepared to take out anyone who wants to overthrow the assholes. The DOD is preparing for serious social control in this country. Drilling or no drilling who gives a fuck! The New World Order already has you by your balls and they have you believing that you can effect change. Give me a fucken break!

  •  Exxon's record setting profits open's minds (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    trinite, brein, axel000

    When people learn Exxon has just set a new world record profit for the 2nd quarter of this year, they are a lot more interested in the idea of a socially-owned energy industry. Private profit is what has led us to our present disaster.
    We have to turn to a "human needs come first" approach with energy- that means nationalization.

    •  Commen sense about profits (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      First Light

      Lets see some other companies profits
      Exxon SALES     $138 BILLION  
      Exxon PROFITS $11.68 BILLION
      Exxon profit    8.4%

      Microsoft SALES  $15.84 BILLION
      Microsoft PROFIT   $4.3 BILLION
      Mircosoft profit    27%

      UPS SALES     $11.6 BILLION
      UPS PROFITS   $1.06 BILLION
      UPS profit      9.1%

      Obama should make Microsoft and UPS pay a windfall of $1,000. Free laptops and free shipping for all!!

      Arn't  Microsofts profits outrageous (27%)especially for a semi-monopolistic corporation.

      Especially when computers are so important to children and schools. Many have a hard time paying for them.

      Where is the outrage and calls for windfall taxes against Microsoft

      •  It's the amount of profit that counts. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        First Light

        No company has ever made that much money.   Also, oil is something that's essential to a functioning economy and in some ways to life itself, and the market for it is huge.  I need to see some more numbers.  I'd like to see the relationship between investment and profit, and I don't really trust any numbers coming from oil companies.  As for Microsoft and UPS, they're obviously ripping off the public with high prices too, but at least we can stop using them or go elsewhere.  We can't do that when there's no real competition in oil, the supply is tightly controlled, and price fixing is going on.  And didn't the Clinton administration find Microsoft guilty of controlling the market?  It was the Bush administration that let Microsoft do as they pleased and got them off the hook.  I never did like Bill Gates.  How much money does this man need? I was totally behind the Clinton administration on this, but the media likes Bill Gates and we didn't hear much about it.  We've been trained well by corporate America.  We've even privatized the post office by allowing UPS to take most of their business and by not using tax money to pay for this service.  We rather give the money to oil companies that need more "incentives."  It's really sad.  What services do we really get from our federal taxes besides war?  They can't say Social Security because that pays for itself and can continue to do so if the feds. put back all the money they took from the S.S. fund.

  •  Absolutely, positively 100% correct there, Hunter (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    trinite

    Not Ideas about the Thing but the Thing Itself - Wallace Stevens

    by catchlightning on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 04:48:01 PM PDT

  •  Hunter, (0+ / 0-)

    am coming to this diary late because of today's exigencies in "the world out there". but wished to say, thank you. Have long enjoyed your analyses, even when my ego squirmed and wished to push them away because of their prediction/projection/summary of dire consequences. This acceptance is what makes us adults and responsible for each other as opposed to feeding on each other. Thank you for the work that you do.

    "Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it." ML King

    by TheWesternSun on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 07:08:56 PM PDT

  •  The Republicans and Big Business, (0+ / 0-)

    screwing the public every chance we give them.

    If we have to account for our lives when we die, then is God being an investment banker, rather than being generous?

    by grada3784 on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 04:34:50 AM PDT

  •  Flipping or flopping (0+ / 0-)

    Which is it today??

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/...

    Someone just pulled your the oily wool over you guys..

    Or is this ok..for Senator Obama to just improvise, overcome and adapt... slick willy.. is back...

  •  Bravo (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    FundaMental Transformation

    Brilliant post and I think you are totally correct.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site