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David Broder wants the two presidential candidates to return to the high road and hints that if Obama had agreed to meet McCain in a series of town hall meetings, all of this icky negativity could have been avoided.

John Kramm looks at the disparity between how the Chinese people think the world views their country and the reality.

Ted Gup weighs in on the Justice Department's announcement the the case of the 2001 anthrax attacks is solved and closed:

With the presumed suicide last week of Bruce Ivins, the Ft. Detrick biodefense expert and target of the FBI's anthrax investigation, the Justice Department effectively pronounced the seven-year-old case solved and the national nightmare behind us. Sadly, nothing could be further from the truth. Ivins's death only makes it more difficult to resolve the lingering questions about the poison sent by mail in the fall of 2001 and, more broadly, about American justice.

Steve Chapman thinks that Phil Gramm's only crime was telling the truth and that the problem with the economy is simply that we're poorer than we used to be and we all need to suck it up.

Thomas Sowell, drawing on the example of Steven Hatfill and others, decries what he calls "publicity abuse." Sowell says, "the whole country continues to this day to pay dearly for having Anthony Kennedy on the Supreme Court," after the smearing of poor, misunderstood Robert Bork.

Karl Rove needs new material.

Maurice Ferre believes that the "Latino vote in Florida could make the difference for Obama in this presidential election."

Gail Collins takes a look at both candidate's energy plans, and while Obama doesn't get off scott-free, she saves her best zingers for McCain, including her thoughts on McCain offering up his wife for a topless beauty pagent.

 

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 04:58 AM PDT.

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  •  Now Ivins will be the fall guy for everything (6+ / 0-)

    Might as well blame the faulty pre-war intellingence on him since he's dead.  Sheesh.

    Political Expediency: Its The New Black!

    by BentLiberal on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:03:52 AM PDT

  •  There seems to be a big disconnect (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Clem Yeobright, feelingsickinMN

    between what the Chinese people and the rest of the world feel the positive and negative effects from their country are.  I suspect to a lesser degree the same would be said of the U.S.

    (-6.50,-6.00)Republican economics is not the solution to our problem; Republican economics is the problem - Harold Meyerson

    by clew74 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:03:56 AM PDT

    •  To an extent, that is said in the article (1+ / 0-)
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      clew74

      In contrast, polls have shown that Americans are aware that the United States' image overseas has been badly damaged in recent years, and there is widespread agreement that work must be done to improve that image.

      I think that last two paragraphs pretty well summarize Kamm's China article:

      But most striking to the average Chinese may be the widely held view that their government does not respect personal freedoms... Only in four countries do a majority think the Chinese government respects personal freedoms.

      It is not known whether the Chinese people think their government respects human rights: Pew wasn't allowed to ask this question in China.

  •  David Broder (7+ / 0-)

    Wants the two presidential candidates to return to the high road and hints that if Obama had agreed to meet McCain in a series of town hall meetings, all of this icky negativity could have been avoided.

    Why does the onus fall upon Obama , Broder ?

    Where are all of McStupid's supposed 'principles' , and why isn't he held accountable ?

  •  Obama & Nuclear (3+ / 0-)
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    feelingsickinMN, banjolele, AndersOSU

    Can anyone point to clear statements of his feelings on nuclear plants?  Gail Collins makes a joke about him always wanting to change subject on nuclear power, but it made me realize I've heard extremely little from him on it.

    •  Heard him address that (sort of) just last night (2+ / 0-)
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      jds1978, banjolele

      in Mpls.  Obama rightly wonders what the hell we're going to do with the waste.  You can't just say "let us build 100 nuclear power plants" and not deal with the issue of disposal.  McCain never seems to address this issue.

      •  Waste problem easily solved with technology (4+ / 0-)

        The waste problem has been solved by a sophisticated splitter device, installed at nuclear reactors, that separates out the harmful waste from the good stuff.  For technophobes, I've diagrammed it here:

        Nuclear power plant  ----- money ----> wealthy/Republican/elites
                                       ----toxic waste--> poor/Democrat/racial minorities
                             
                             

  •  You can say that again... (2+ / 0-)
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    BarbinMD, jds1978

    [blockquote]Karl Rove needs new material.[/blockquote]

    So does Thomas Sowell.

  •  In which political reality does David Broader li (1+ / 0-)
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    jds1978
  •  Gup's analysis is superb (0+ / 0-)

    Glad to see it mentioned on the front page.

  •  Sorry China, you look (2+ / 0-)
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    jds1978, banjolele

    Paranoid and authoritarian.  Better luck next time.

    •  Well.... (0+ / 0-)

      considering how much the West has messed with China in the past (both distant and recent), you really can't fault the Chinese leadership too much. And considering the yahoo we've got in the White House influencing Japan, the Philippines, and the Koreas; the organized mafia running Russia to her north; and Islamic and Tibetan separatist movements to her west, some paranoia and authoritarianism is understandable.

      That being said, China is too large for her own good. The current Chinese "empire" is spread too thinly and within a decade or two will begin to crumble around the edges (or will be forced to liberalize), especially if a stronger middle class emerges.

      But don't forget that most men without property would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. (1776)

      by banjolele on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:26:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Paranoid AND Authoritarian Party: Good Idea! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      The Ghost of Leo McGarry
      Call it PAP.
      The paranoids might comfort each other into partial remission.
      The authoritarians could learn humility from attempting to dominate each other.
      PAP would have some rehabilitative appeal to fringe ends.
      PAP for Dignity!
      Good Luck.
  •  Steve Chapman (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    The Ghost of Leo McGarry

    Thinks that Phil Gramm's only crime was telling the truth and that the problem with the economy is simply that we're poorer than we used to be and we all need to suck it up.

    Time for someone to tell Chapman what to go suck ...

  •  Phil Gramm's and Steve Chapman's Campaign Tune (0+ / 0-)

  •  David Broder, still stupid after all these years (4+ / 0-)
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    happy camper, Ken in MN, jds1978, eco d

    Proving once again that there is no penalty for a political pundit in being spectacularly wrong often.

  •  Why David Broder is an idiot part 298237426 (2+ / 0-)
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    Ken in MN, jds1978

    On "the negative tone of the campaign"

    "I'm very sorry about it," McCain said in a Saturday interview at his Arlington headquarters. "I think we could have avoided at least some of this if we had agreed to do the town hall meetings" together, as he had suggested, during the summer months.

    So, John McCain doesn't deny that his campaign is the one that's gone entirely negative. And of course, McCain, and Broder, agree that Obama did too, after all, not agreeing to exactly the amount and kind of debates that McCain wanted..

    Well! I mean, what's more "negative campaigning" than that!

    Farenbalanced, thy name is Broder. High priest of the false equivilance.

  •  Sowell is a tool. (2+ / 0-)
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    jds1978, Tx LIberal

     Repeating of Repub talking points is the guy's only function.

    What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

    by happy camper on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:20:43 AM PDT

  •  this is a little OT (2+ / 0-)
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    Josiah Bartlett, Tx LIberal

    but just heard stupid on NPR hammering the Chinese on human rights violations...and I am thinking please...just pull his VISA and humiliate him...marginalize him right now..he is worthless....the pot calling the kettle black!

    A legacy of death, debt and deceit. He's a real hero.

    by billtmore on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:22:21 AM PDT

  •  One of the best parts of DK (3+ / 0-)
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    feelingsickinMN, eco d, AndersOSU

    ...is this feature. the analysis is succinct and correct.

    You Sacrifice the Thing You Love the Most. I Love My Guitar - Jimi Hendrix

    by jds1978 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:22:27 AM PDT

  •  After reading through these (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    banjolele, lexnekst, sluggahjells

    pundit roundups (which are great, by the way), i've often wondered how some of these people even have jobs, like many folks here have wondered. They so often are not only what i would consider "wrong" but they're usually not very nuanced as well, even people i agree with are often offering pretty simplistic arguments (exceptions, of course). I was initially just writing this off to the form, doesn't allow for much expansion, but that seems too simple in itself. You can give refs or even just hint at deeper arguments or reasoning, but usually they don't. So it just makes me think of your local gathering of folks around coffee/food/work/whatever. Usually the person/s that attract attention are those that are loud and simple, no one wants to listen to someone that you had to catch ALL of their thoughts to understand, we want minimal mental commitment with our donuts, dammit. And we want entertainment, so those that espouse the wackiest views gather the crowds.

    So anyway, not anything anyone hasn't thought of before but these roundups really drive that home for me.

    The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

    by eco d on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:25:58 AM PDT

    •  you skimmed right over your answer (1+ / 0-)
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      eco d

      not only what i would consider "wrong" but they're usually not very nuanced

      The sales of any daily newspaper is inversely proportional to the amount of nuance it contains.

      It is a very specialized artform to take complicated positions and complicated problems and remove all nuance.  Those who excel are rewarded with precious inches of editorial space in the nation's newspapers.

  •  Would someone ask this schmuck (2+ / 0-)
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    happy camper, jds1978

    Thomas Sowell, drawing on the example of Steven Hatfill and others, decries what he calls "publicity abuse." Sowell says, "the whole country continues to this day to pay dearly for having Anthony Kennedy on the Supreme Court," after the smearing of poor, misunderstood Robert Bork.

    How the American people feel with a $10 trillion debt , courtesy of the GOP-led SCOTUS and their impossibly stupid (and illegal) 2000 presidential election decision ?

    •  Sowell is second to none (3+ / 0-)
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      gsbadj, jds1978, lexnekst

       when it comes to asshattery. Turning the irrelevant into a big deal is his specialty. Virtually every sentence the guy writes is a misrepresentation of something.

      What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

      by happy camper on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:41:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I agree with his column in 1 respect (0+ / 0-)

        There is much to be said for the British practice of limiting what can be reported in the media about someone on trial until after that trial is over.

        Once a charge has been made and publicized from coast to coast — if not internationally — later exoneration will never get the same publicity, so the damage cannot be undone. You cannot unring the bell.

        I've always felt the the British system is superior to our in that respect. Suspects names being bandied about in the media is deeply injurious to the presumption of innocence. But the clear and explicit language of the 1st amendment precludes such regulation, I suppose.

        But the rest of it, arguing for closed government proceedings and the "smearing" of Bork, is the usual right wing crap.

        If not Gore, then Obama 2008.

        by Mark Centz on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 11:51:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Karl, maybe there's a reason for that (1+ / 0-)
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    gsbadj

    Then there's character. Mr. McCain is the most private person to run for president since Calvin Coolidge in the 1920s. He needs to share (or allow others to share) more about him, especially his faith. The McCain and Obama campaigns are mirror opposites. Mr. McCain offers little biography, while Mr. Obama is nothing but.

    A guy who dumps his first wife for a girl about twenty years younger, while he's still married, who just happens to be an heiress to a fortune, and whose daddy will bankroll his first campaigns. And then all those unfortunate comparisons with the current president and youthful indiscretions just might to keep certain areas of his life a little more private than the public record has so far acknowledged.

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:47:39 AM PDT

    •  You know (0+ / 0-)

      Considering the marital stuff, it's a miracle that this guy has gone as far as he has in the GOP as it has been consisted in the past 20 years.

      "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

      by gsbadj on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:36:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  IOKIYAR (0+ / 0-)

      I learned what this expression meant the other day when someone else used it in a similar situation.  The way I understand, it means "It's OK If Your A Republican".  To me that applies here and with any other "personal issue".  Look at how Bill Clinton was treated "the draft dodger", yet the MSM appeared to have "a problem focusing on" and basically blew off the AWOL accusations against Chimpy during 2000.
      The MSM is covering for McSame on this big time as I have never heard it discussed on Hardball, CNN or anywhere else, except maybe for Olbermann (not really sure).  IMO, once again the American people are being bamboozled.  They are being bamboozled by the republicans, with some assistance from the MSM into thinking that another loser, John McCain, is somehow this "maverick hero who should be worshiped by all" and that he has any idea (or even to intent to learn) of what needs to be done to address  complex issues in this nation.  So if McSame were to win, we could look forward to basically the same old horseshit we've been going through for the past seven years from the same old people that got us into this mess to start with.
      (Sorry, but once I get started it is hard to stop.)

    •  Wasn't the first wife disfigured in an accident? (0+ / 0-)

      Which only makes it worse.  McCain comes out of it looking a little shallow.  Just the kind of quality me need in a president.  /snark

      I'm not one to throw stones, except at those who throw stones at me.

  •  This diary is a waste of space (0+ / 0-)

    I'm glad you can read a newspaper, but we can do that too. Is this what we have come to? Getting pundit blurbs on DK instead of reading them for ourselves?

    •  Well... you could try (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      gsbadj

       looking at something else if you don't want to discuss the MSM's punditry.

      What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

      by happy camper on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:03:14 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  ummm, dude, the boat has long sailed (0+ / 0-)

      on this. You look very lame for even thinking it, let alone writing it.

      The Low Road Express: So low, an ant would be too big for it.

      by sluggahjells on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:10:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Whats a "Newspaper"... (1+ / 0-)
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      Fireshadow

      ...all I find are rags made of paper that droll on and on speaking volumes, but essentially saying nothing worth the time and expense to read.

      Wynter

      "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Hitchhiker's Guide

      by Wynter on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:17:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  So go do it (0+ / 0-)

      I, for one, appreciate the links to the day's pundit writings as well as a brief (albeit snarky) summary of the topics.

      Have some more coffee.

      "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

      by gsbadj on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:39:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  There is so much crap out there (0+ / 0-)

      on paper and in the internet, it's nice to get a little bit of a guide as to who to maybe pay special attention to on any given day. Meh, just like anything else here these roundups might not be for everyone but some folks (myself included) enjoy them. And they're not just to replace a thorough reading of the columns (obviously, hopefully...), these roundups give a nice place for people to react to the pundits as well as getting a little of their USDA for snark. Enjoy reading all your newspapers.

      The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

      by eco d on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:04:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I like it. (0+ / 0-)

      There is a vast pile of stuff to look at on dK.  Find something you like.

      I like the pundit roundup.

      Don't touch that dial!

  •  Suck this Chapman and Meltzer.. (0+ / 0-)

    The poor misunderstood Allan Meltzer claims that "The main trouble, in his view, is not that Americans are suffering from weak or negative economic growth. It's that they have suffered a loss of wealth". So we are saying we essentially got "robbed" by the Oil Industry instead of producing more. I can get behind that... We were ROBBED! But all in all, he misses the clear point that "energy" price changes can directly impact our economic growth. If it costs us X amount of dollars to produce and ship product Y last year and our energy prices spike upwards this year then our product will need to reflect that impact on to our consumers. And that will impact whether or not product Y sells in the global market or not. Which will in turn affect our profits and so on. The reality is that "energy" prices should be regulated and controlled so that they cannot cause broad market changes as they have.

    Meltzer goes on to say what our loss stems from, "The first is high oil prices, which are the equivalent of a huge tax increase." I suppose if you consider "Big Oil" is running our government! (Hmmm... Maybe he is right!). We really need to get the Oil Industry out of the driver's seat of the economic markets.

    In the 1970s, the Federal Reserve reacted to soaring oil prices by creating more money and spreading it around. When you have more money, it doesn't hurt so much to fill your tank. But when everyone suddenly finds themselves with more money, the consequence is inflation. In the 1970s, instead of seeing just the price of gas climb, we saw the price of everything climb.

    The problem with his example here, is that he completely missed the connection between gasoline prices and its impact on overall transportation costs for all any products requiring shipping which is practically everything. Again, a complete misunderstanding (or perhaps the misinformation is intentional) of the cause and effects going on here.

    Steve Chapman summarizes that, "When you have a loss of wealth, the best way to cope is to accept it and adapt to a lower standard of living, sooner rather than later." That's a nice sentiment if you actually HAVE wealth, but for those just trying to maintain a standard of living (that includes breathing) there is little choice. Chapman goes on to say, "In the long run, we will adapt to the new realities, the economic impact will moderate, and the pain will fade. ... Suck it up."

    My first quick reply would not be printable material, but on review I would have to tell Mr. Chapman that he misses the big picture here. The "suck it up" types in this case should be those in the ranks of businessmen, industrialists, tycoons, board members, and everyone involved with Wall Street. And the remainder of the American public should be left alone. These are what I would call the "cause" for our "energy death spiral". They have driven our economy to be heavily dependent on oil and ignoring the off ramps to alternative or next generation sources of energy. They should be paying the costs of their mistakes. Not the poor and middle class citizens that are currently scraping by trying to earn a livable wage in our ecomony. No bailouts, just make these clowns "suck it up" in Wall Street, and in the Board Rooms of major corporations. They lead us here, now they should be paying the price.

    Then after it is all "corrected" as Wall Street loves to say, we need to put some "energy regulation legislation" on the books to prevent this disaster from reoccurring.

    Simply saying,
    Wynter

    "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Hitchhiker's Guide

    by Wynter on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:14:32 AM PDT

  •  Wow Gail doesn't approve of Mac pimping Cindy? (0+ / 0-)

     Who woulda thunk?

    "A revolution without dancing is a revolution not worth having." --V

    by moondancing on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:15:14 AM PDT

  •  Yesterday's battles, by Sowell (1+ / 0-)
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    gsbadj

    Reading Sowell's scribblings actually made me feel a little better.  As the GOP becomes ever less popular, it behaves ever less relevantly.  Pining for a raving lunatic who was rejected 20 years ago after your side has won every 5-4 decision of the year simply makes you look like yesterday's relic.

  •  THOU SHALT NO LONGER CALL THEM PUNDITS! (0+ / 0-)

    From this day on, we shall rank & call them by their varying degrees of obviousness. From privates to captains and beyond.

  •  From Karl Rove (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    gsbadj

    Now Mr. Obama faces new doubts over perceptions that he's arrogant, self-centered and calculating.

    These perceptions were made up and prushed by Karl Rove. They describe Rove pretty nicely, but not Obama.

    "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." GWB

    by thefretgenie on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:33:43 AM PDT

  •  Robert Bork is Misunderstood (0+ / 0-)

    the same way Hitler was. Y'all think SCOTUS is scary now, just imagine what it would've been like had Bork made the cut!

    "The Use of Unnecessary Violence Has Been Approved." Keith Olbermann

    by CityLightsLover on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:59:11 AM PDT

  •  Karl Rove's articles are actually quite useful (0+ / 0-)

    If everyone does the exact opposite of what they say, they'll be allright.  For as little formal education as Karl Rove has, he sure likes to write.

    •  The scary thing about this particular one (0+ / 0-)

      which is about advice to McCain about how to win, is actually pretty reasoned. Written by anyone else i'd maybe not agree with some of the things he said, but i'd allow that it was a valid way of looking at things. But given that it IS Rove i can't get the picture out of my mind that editors cut phrases like "and McCain must also drink the blood of Obama supporters" so as not to scare the townspeople.

      The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

      by eco d on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:13:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Steve Chapman (0+ / 0-)

    He may have a point.  Although I did not bother to read the article, Americans are, and will continue to become, relatively poorer globally.  We got to a great head start, which has lead to our prosperity, but as other nations continue to grow, we will see our economic power decline.

    But that does not mean that we are making up the economic downturn (is it still a faux pas to say recession?)

    "The will of the people shall be the law of the land."

    by Fighting Bob on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 07:31:18 AM PDT

  •  Don't forget VD Hanson (0+ / 0-)

    He has a "concern troll" column in today's San Francisco Chronicle.  Read the comments.  I'm there.

  •  Broder: McCain is negative but its Obama's fault (0+ / 0-)

    This 'dean' of American editorialists does some more excuse making for McCain.  His article can be summed up in this short paragraph, "Yes, McCain is acting like a bad boy but it could have been avoided if Obama had bent over and acquiesed to McCain's demand to have 10 town hall meetings.  So, it's really all Obama's fault."

    When do they retire this goof?

    The only thing we have to fear is politicians using fear itself

    by Pacific Blue on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 07:49:38 AM PDT

  •  new material? (0+ / 0-)

    Karl Rove doesn't need new material, his only message, behind all he says, does, and writes is this: "Vote for McCain, keep me out of jail."

    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle--Plato

    by Philip Graham on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:10:38 AM PDT

  •  Broder must have a ton of McCain points n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  John KAMM, not "Kramm" (0+ / 0-)

    Founder of the Dui Hua Foundation. His Wiki bio is here.

    I know how nutz it drives me when (as frequently occurs) someone shoves an inappropriate "r" into my surname*.

    Please fix.

    --------
    * I meant my real last name--but come to think of it, I wouldn't take kindly to being called "Uncle Crosmo" either...

    May I bow to Necessity not/ To her hirelings (W. S. Merwin)

    by Uncle Cosmo on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:32:26 AM PDT

  •  Gail forgot about the bananas (0+ / 0-)

    Part of the competition involves a simulated sex act with a banana.

    Which only makes McCain's statement that much more damaging.  Hey McCain!  Think first, speak second!

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