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SO I posted a blog on my own myspace page titled "Where's the beef?!  I think I have found it"   About Sentator Obama's record in the Senate...

The response I got is below the fold.  This person is/was a friend of mine from a long, long time ago.  He is also the same person who basically questioned my own christianity and faith in God because I was an Obama supporter.  Nice...right?  

http://nationalclergycouncil.org/010807BarackObama.htm

http://www.obamanation.com/

http://www.amazon.com/...

Of course you will ignore and not take into account anything said negative about Senator Barack HuSEIN Obama.

Did you know back in Illinois a woman tried to have her baby aborted it survived and then the birthed the baby and yet again it survived a partial birth abortion. They threw the baby into a closet in the hospital to die and a nurse then went and held the dieing child for 3 hours when it finally died. Obama had the nurse prosecuted and put in jail because he said that the nurse impeded on the mothers right to abortion. THAT IS A SICK SICK MAN. And I really anybody who wants him as president should be checked out.

Heres another one. A man breaks into a house he then steels the keys the occupants and leaves. The thief returns days later the owners not realizing their spare set of key were gone and procedes to enter the home with the keys, the owners realize someone is in their home with their kids in the house. The owner gets their handgun and approaches the thief while said thief is getting in thier vehicle in the garage and shoots the man not killing him. Senator Obama then just a state attourney seeks to prosecute the home owner NOT the thief because the owner did not register his gun under a new program for tracking a law that was just passed weeks prior. That man went jail away from his family and sat in jail longer than the thief did. Yeah that's the guy I want as my commader in chief.<</ </p>

Has anybody ever heard any of this? When was Obama a state attorney?  I am just ignorant here?  I would really love to respond intelligently to his postings and will, of course, do some research myself, but didn't know if any of you out there have seen this before.

Thanks!!!!

BTW...don't you just love how these asshat wing nuts like to use BO's middle name.....

Update......loved all the reponses I got from you guys..thanks a bunch.  Here is what I responded back:

Wow...thanks for your most passionate response to my blog.

As soon as I post this I am on my way to my therapist to get, as you so succinctly put it,"checked out" for my obvious mental and moral distress.

I just have one favor to ask of you....can you please provide me with links to the news stories regarding the events above, I would imagine something like this got local news coverage in Illinois? Or even links to the cases that were prosectuted in the state of Illinois?

Also, how could Barack Obama have somebody prosecuted when he wasn't a State prosecutor or state attorney? He practiced civil rights law and never tried a case in Cook County. Below is an article by the Chicago Sun Times about his law career.

http://www.suntimes.com/...

Thanks again for your response......

Originally posted to icecrystal72 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:09 AM PDT.

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  •  Ask him for documentation (22+ / 0-)

    'cause he doesn't have any.

    Remind him that bearing false witness is wrong.

    This is my creed: Happiness is the only good; reason the only torch; justice the only worship, humanity the only religion, and love the only priest. --Ingersoll

    by atxcats on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:11:47 AM PDT

  •  This is from Corsi's book (15+ / 0-)

    He's been repeating this on the radio, too. The best strategy here is to note that Corsi is a racist wingnut who calls Muslims "ragheads" and so forth, and is basically a lunatic. I wouldn't even bother disputing any of his book's content, and just note that the entire thing is a work of fiction and not to be treated seriously.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

    by The Raven on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:18:20 AM PDT

  •  yep, ask him for his sources (6+ / 0-)

    You could save time by not wasting it on people who believe this kind of crap. But if it's really important to you due to an old acquaintanceship, remind him that there are literally dozens of lies and smears that have gone 'round and 'round the intertubes. Each one has been successfully rebutted, so after a while, even the most anti-Obamanistas - if they have a shred of reason left in their neural net (a big IF, I know) - must agree that the burden of proof lies with the accusers. You could also direct him to the stop the smears pages of Obamas web site, if he's actually interested in, you know, finding out the truth about any of it (link here). Good luck, you'll need it.

    Funny how the nuts always have so many spelling and grammar errors. Typical, barely functioning brains.

    Fear is the mind killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

    by p gorden lippy on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:18:48 AM PDT

    •  we have been friends since (1+ / 0-)
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      childhood.  We had a falling out a couple of months ago over my support for Obama and how it was in direct violation of my own profession of my faith in Christ.  

      Wasn't very pretty to say the least.  I wasn't surprised when he popped back in.

      •  Good for you (0+ / 0-)

        for neglecting neither your faith nor your good sense.
        I think you are right to leave the post up, and then call attention to its obvious falsehood. Repeating untruths is as sinful as making them up.

      •  Look, people are saying you can't change anyone (1+ / 0-)
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        who believes this stuff; but that's NOT always true. Sometimes people are already suspicious and fearful -- of Democrats, or Obama, or whatever -- and so they believe the lies. Because the world is full of horrible things. Who would believe Ruanda? Or the pointless insanity of Pol Pot? Or that serial killer who kept women imprisoned in his basement in California, and the neighbors didn't know a thing? Yet those things happened. After a while, almost anything seems possible, and so people end up swallowing pure fiction. (It actually happens on the left sometimes, too.)

        Some people will believe baseless lies, but can be challenged. Some can't, because they aren't willing to change their minds.  You don't know til you try.  So I think you did the right thing -- you challenged this guy. If this is true, where are the news reports?  So simple, yet often people don't think of it. And you didn't beat up on him a lot -- you just put the ball back in his court and maybe made him think.

        Whether you do any more is up to you. But it's not always a waste of time.

        Vote John McCain for a Hundred Year War!

        by Fiona West on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 09:50:21 AM PDT

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      •  Since your friend has played the "God Card", (4+ / 0-)

        I would've called him on his "bearing of false witness".

        And I'd've hit him hard:  something like "I'm deeply dismayed to see a friend who claims to be a Christian become such an active and outspoken participant in a campaign of lying for political gain.  Please don't insult me by using my myspace page as a tool for your disgraceful behavior".

        •  Nice... (0+ / 0-)

          if it gets too out of hand, i may have to resort to that response......

          •  Thanks. It's important to keep in mind (1+ / 0-)
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            the way it's worded:  it doesn't say "You're a terrible,  sinful liar".  It says "you're helping to spread lies",  which leaves your friend the out of saying "But (I believed) it's true!".

            The proper response to that is "Well,  it's not.  And you should have checked it before you repeated it".  That casts the person being criticized as someone who made a normal human mistake (which most of the people repeating this crap are),  instead of a conscious Agent of Evil.

            I believe it's important to confront these people strongly,  but that it's most productive to do it by saying "What you're doing is bad.  Go forth and sin no more.",  not "You're an evil bastard.  Go to Hell".

  •  try telling him about how McCain (16+ / 0-)

    has scalded thousands of dehydrated babies to death, and offer to provide the source right after he shows where his stories came from.

  •  This is all bullshit (13+ / 0-)

    Obama was never a prosecutor, and never threw a nurse in jail for "impeding an abortion." This is a lie.

    There is a former nurse who went on a crusade seeking a change in Illinois law that would require doctors and hospitals to render medical care to fetuses born alive -- even if they were trying to abort them.

    This was the subject of some controversy in the state, and Obama opposed the illinois legislation because he claied it did not contain language similar to a federal statutory provision (whcih he says he supported) makng it clear that the statute did not impede a woman's right to an abortion.

    The second item is complete horsehockey as well. It may be referring to some gun control law Obama supported, but teh details are presented in such a distorted manner and devoid of any context, its hard to know what to make of the accusation.

  •  I love the smell (10+ / 0-)

    of republican desperation in the morning!

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." --Blaise Pascal

    by lyvwyr101 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:21:49 AM PDT

  •  he didn't say attorney (5+ / 0-)

    he said attourney.:) Gotta love those Christian ethics.

  •  Barack Obama Was Not a State Attorney (7+ / 0-)

    or any other form of prosecutor.


    You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

    by karateexplosions on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:22:23 AM PDT

    •  Since we're in the realm of fiction... (2+ / 0-)
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      How about launching into some Swiftboating of McCain? Don't worry--you don't need your own facts!

      Did you know?
      That while in the Hanoi Hilton, John McCain ripped up an American flag, burned it, and choked a partially birthed fetus with it and that while in that prison, on several occasions, McCain refused to wear a flag pin or recite the words "under God" or even pledge allegiance?
      That (and this one is true, a phone in South Carolina told me) John McCain had a black child born out of wedlock, a daughter who is raised a Muslim?
      That that out of wedlock child attends a Maddrassa and wears a headscarf?

      You see, your friend has freed himself from the burden of facts. I'm not recommending that you do the same, but think of this for a minute: can you imagine the outcry if someone were to Swiftboat John McCain? Look what happened to Wes Clark.

      I'm tempted to take a cheap shot about Bush not crashing his plane. That's in really, really poor taste.

      Stick to the "leaving his first wife after her car crash" stuff. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Sure, it hurts a little more to say this after last week, but for the most part, if a sick spouse is left for a blonde knockout, it's the GOP. Granted, I'm not lumping the Edwards family in there at all, because I'll say EE is ten times the looker than that Hunter!

  •  Ummm... (11+ / 0-)

    Barack Obama has never been a state attorney.

    And that "abortion" story is maybe literally the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

    Your friend has violated Rule #1: smears are supposed to be plausible.  When you get greedy and come up with something totally outlandish, it doesn't have the desired effect.

    I'm going to have to believe--with respect--that your friend falls into the small number of people who is not lying, but may actually just believe something that no person of even below average intelligence could believe.

  •  before (6+ / 0-)

    this person is allowed to post anywhere they need not only a truth meter but a spell check. The can't spell simple words like 'steal'?? not to mention that (a) the abortion story lacks TOTAL credibility and (b) the attorney story is crazy since Obama was never a prosecutor.  Tell her to STFU and sit down.

    Ability is what you're capable of doing..motivation determines what you do...attitude determines how well you do it.

    by MA Voter on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:26:26 AM PDT

  •  I Bet Your "Friend" Will Be Horrified (9+ / 0-)

    to learn the story about how John McCain once ate a live kitten on a dare.  

    He also has a drawer full of child pornography in one of his houses.


    You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

    by karateexplosions on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:27:08 AM PDT

  •  i found 2 sites (3+ / 0-)
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    boofdah, dpryan, bottles

    that might help with the "Christ Hospital" claim

    pandagon.net - cached only, and alternet

    Boot out Bushbot Barrett, donate to Jane Dyer SC-03 (vet & union member)

    by sc kitty on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:27:36 AM PDT

  •  Obama's work as an attorney (7+ / 0-)
    Senator Obama's work as an attorney was ONLY in federal court. Senator Obama has NEVER worked on a case in Cook County Circuit Court. Here's a Chicago Sun-Times link:

    http://www.suntimes.com/...

    Ask the poster why he/she is so stupid as to believe everything he/she reads in chain letters. Ask him/her why they are willing to spread lies in the Name of God.

  •  Tell him that since McCain is anti-woman's choice (2+ / 0-)
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    that if he were to become POTUS and appoint SCOTUS justices to overturn Roe v. Wade, then he will be responsible for the deaths of not only failed, non-clinical abortion babies, but ALSO the many more deaths of females (of ALL ages) who try these "back-alley abortions" to avoid criminal prosecution - http://socialistworker.org/...

    Under these circumstances, "pro-lifers" are really double murderers because they kill the fetus (since THEY believe that a "baby" is created at conception when it's still actually just an animal organism... and yes, "humans" are part of the animal kingdom too... we gotta remind the ignorant "creationistas" of that) AND the pregnant woman.

    Obama/Hilton '08 - "Change that's hot!" ... wait a minute: HILlary + clinTON = HILTON! IT'S A PROPHECY/CURSE I TELLZ YA! ;)

    by VT ConQuest on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:31:14 AM PDT

  •  Response: (3+ / 0-)
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    Thank you for the bullshit.  I didn't know Barack Obama was a state attorney.  If you have any documentation to back up your bullshit claims i'd be happy to read.

    That said, I don't know how you could possibly vote for Mr. family values knowing full well he was Clevenend Steaming Cindy while he was still married to his first wife.

    "In the stream of consciousness, There is a river crying, Living comes much easier, Once we admit, We're dying." - Petrucci

    by Ex Real Republican on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:34:56 AM PDT

    •  Hehe. Yep. Also, add... (2+ / 0-)
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      adrianrf, icecrystal72

      "why would ANY female in her right mind EVER take the advice of a male chauvinist pig that calls his wife a trollop and a c**t in front of reporters, and who teh entire evangelical base of the Reeper party doesn't support because he's not one of them... for Cheese & Rice sake?!!!"

      Obama/Hilton '08 - "Change that's hot!" ... wait a minute: HILlary + clinTON = HILTON! IT'S A PROPHECY/CURSE I TELLZ YA! ;)

      by VT ConQuest on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:40:23 AM PDT

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  •  Also, maybe find a way to spellcheck it... (4+ / 0-)

    And screenshot the MS word editing marks. That would be one red, squiggly post, my friend.

    Then ask him: Have you been "left behind?" No, not in the millennial, Tim-Layahe sense, but in the Is You Has Learned from Those There Schoolin? sense of the phrase.

  •  One thing that sometimes works. (3+ / 0-)
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    Folks that propogate this stuff often do not know how to determine facts from fiction on their own -- they don't have the skills. And they're terrified of being duped. Rethugs take advantage of their mindset readily.

    I would start with, "Did you know that Obama wasn't AG?"

    These stories are just little twists on the soft on crime rumors that go around about Democrats every election. You can point that out, and you can tell them how Obama isn't soft on crime.

    As for the hospital story, it is so ludicrous that you could write 40 pages about why is couldn't possibly have happened.

    But when you do point out these things, tell the troll how you know. Teach him something about how tell the difference between a BS story and a credible one.

    I've seen more than one tinfoil helmet come off this way.

    John McCain and George W. Bush: Let them eat cake. August 29, 2005.

    by rb137 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:41:17 AM PDT

    •  oops -- SA, not AG. 8| (0+ / 0-)

      John McCain and George W. Bush: Let them eat cake. August 29, 2005.

      by rb137 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:43:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      I know many feel it's a waste of time to try to reason with the people that peddle this stuff and maybe it is but there are some out there that, as the above comment said, just don't know how to differentiate between fact and something that was pulled from someone's ass (unfortunately, my dad is one of them).  So, even if this person is a lost cause, a well reasoned response, setting the record straight, could get across to someone reading it.  

      So, I'd respond calmly and then move on.  If they respond back in a less than respectful way, you can either leave that up to show just how out there the person is in contrast to your intelligent handling of the situation, or just delete them and ban them from there on out, leaving only the initial exchange.  It could be informative to someone else who reads your blog.

      The "straight talk express" was derailed before it even left the station.

      by abbysomething on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 09:01:30 AM PDT

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  •  I love the language and the spelling (6+ / 0-)

    Did you know.... back in Illinois... dieing child... steels the keys... commader in chief.

    He was never a prosecutor.  His entire public career in Illinois is well known-- they have big city newspapers here.  And no, he is not a Batman-style Supervillian combing the dark recesses of the city looking for new ways to torture babies and screw homeowners.

    "Only the most deluded of us could doubt the necessity of this war." Senator John McCain (R-AZ)

    by Pangloss on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:45:26 AM PDT

  •  Wow.... (7+ / 0-)

    The responses came so fast, i couldn't reply to all of them.

    My response was this:

    Wow...thanks for your most passionate response to my blog.

    As soon as I post this I am on my way to my therapist to get, as you so succinctly put it,"checked out" for my obvious mental and moral distress.

    I just have one favor to ask of you....can you please provide me with links to the news stories regarding the events above, I would imagine something like this got local news coverage in Illinois? Or even links to the cases that were prosectuted in the state of Illinois?

    Also, how could Barack Obama have somebody prosecuted when he wasn't a State prosecutor or state attorney? He practiced civil rights law and never tried a case in Cook County. Below is an article by the Chicago Sun Times about his law career.

    http://www.suntimes.com/...

    Thanks again for your response......

    Should be interesting to see what his reponse is.  

  •  Upstream someone wrote (1+ / 0-)
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    Rule #1 in politics is not to save the unsaveables?

    Well first off I've never heard of that rule and what in the world is politics all about if it is not trying to change someone's mind?

    I've noticed there is a concerted effort by some to tell you not to bother replying to the e-mails coming from right wing friends and families.

    Well I beg to differ.  

    Keep replying, don't give up no matter what they say.  Keep on correcting the mis-information because they usually don't have the time or inclination to find out for themselves.  They do change their minds, they do start thinking....so do not under any circumstances give up on them.

  •  Since you both are Christians (1+ / 0-)
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    Instead of insulting each other you should find out more about Obama's religious position and perhaps talk about that with your friend. There are a number of links to his public discussions about religion and faith. I think you might find something out there about Senator Obama that you both could agree on. Do some digging.

    ...there's a rose in the fisted glove and the eagle flies with the dove - Stephen Stills

    by NuttyProf on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:58:26 AM PDT

  •  Regarding the gun scenario (0+ / 0-)

    Obama voted against a law that would allow the state to override local laws banning handguns. He maintained that it should remain the call of the municipality and not the state.

    http://leftword.blogdig.net/...

  •  What' with the "HuSEIN" business? (0+ / 0-)

    If that's a a "Sein Kampf" joke, I'm impressed.

  •  Obama (0+ / 0-)

    Here's what Wikipedia says about Obama's legal career:

    "He graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.

    The publicity from his election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law School provided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book.... The manuscript was finally published as Dreams from My Father in mid-1995.

                         ***

    Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).

                         ***

    In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002."

    I also did a Google search for "Obama & state's attorney" and found nothing to indicate he was ever a prosecutor of any kind.

    It may be presumptious to advise you on how to respond to your acquaintance, but you might suggest to him that if Obama's opponents will lie about things that are matters of public record and easily ascertainable, he should think about two things.  First, he should be very suspicious of anything negative he hears about Obama.  More important, he should ask himself what there is about Obama that makes people simply invent lies about him.  Why do they hate him so much?  Could it be because he's...wait for it...BLACK?

  •  The nurse's story (4+ / 0-)

    As others have said, Senator Obama was never a state's attorney. His Wikipedia article is the most accessible biography I know to confirm that. So these stories are absurd.

    I do know what got the nurse's story started, though. She wrote this article about it. It's important to realize that what she's talking about is a second-trimester abortion. There is no chance of this fetus surviving for long - it's lungs are too immature. No second-trimester abortion is pretty. Conservatives managed to get people outraged over "partial-birth abortions", but the alternatives to that are cutting up the fetus within the womb or performing a saline abortion which triggers delivery, usually of a stillborn, but sometimes it can take some hours for the fetus to die.

    So what this nurse is so outraged about is how to treat this baby as it's dying. Such outrage did makes hospitals change so as not to have them just die in a closet, but it doesn't make them viable by being a little more respectful. It is still an abortion.

    No one is more pro-choice than I am, but as a physician I know what abortion looks like. It takes some maturity to say that this is sometimes a good thing and the determination of when it's for the best is for the mother to decide, with professionals who are dedicated to help her, not the government or those who have their own agenda.
    I'm not sure how far someone can get into that if that person was willing to swallow the ridiculous stories you relate. They are ridiculous. One can at least say that.

  •  Ask him why he's such a racist after (1+ / 0-)
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    pointing out the lies he has dished you.  Several have pointed out the inconsistencies.

    Regardless, there is no reason to capitalize his middle name unless you are trying to draw attention to its Arabic origins. This is a racist trick by Republicans that insist he is really Muslim and not Christian.  Does the poster capitalize his middle name? Yours? Of course not! It is deliberate and to deny its racist intention is dishonest.

    Personally, I think you are wasting your time and that this person is a lost cause. They will dredge up lies as fast as you shoot them down. They aren't interested in an honest dialog, they are only interested in smearing Obama. For this reason, they have no real respect for you or your opinions.

    Really read the following statement he offers:

    anybody who wants him as president should be checked out.

    This person is not a friend, and sees the Obama smears as an opportunity to anger/frustrate/irritate you. They are also hoping they may find shit that will stick to the wall b/c they want to humiliate/demoralize you.  If not, they would have a sincere dialog on the issues, not one based on lies and innuendo.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - FDR. Obama Nation. -6.13 -6.15

    by ecostar on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 09:18:56 AM PDT

  •  D- or an F for Writng (2+ / 0-)
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    As a former teacher, I would say that this person needs to buy a dictionary (judging by the number of spelling mistakes), take a crash course in grammer, brush up on the finer points of semantics in the english language and finally, take a long walk off a very short pier.

    The revolution starts now--in your own back yard, in your own home town

    by brit librarian on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 09:36:07 AM PDT

  •  Why do wingnuts appear uneducated and ignorant (0+ / 0-)

    I agree with Sen. Obama they take pride in being ignorant.  Some of that stuff is just crazy and I can't believe anyone would believe it let alone repeat it as fact.

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