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From John McCain's speech today to the Veterans of Foreign Wars:

Even in retrospect, he would choose the path of retreat and failure for America over the path of success and victory. [...]

Behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama lies the ambition to be president.

More thinly veiled accusations of treason? It's time for the Obama campaign to stop "respecting" John McCain's service to this country more than 40 years ago and start pounding him for his repeated failures in judgement over the past seven years.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:55 AM PDT.

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  •  nice guys finish last... (10+ / 0-)

    Obama is now basically tied everywhere.  

    McCain is set to tampen or hold in any bounce from anything between now and October...

    just one more good racial smear and we have Pres. McCain

    I'm basically sick with grief this morning... Obama's overconfident and playing to stay close. They should be playing for keeps.

    "Journalism" is Dead... RIP Summer 2008

    by Hope Reborn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:58:40 AM PDT

    •  re (4+ / 0-)

      Dem convention = People start paying attention.
      Sept = More people start paying attention.
      Current Economy = people vote their wallets.

      "Steve Holt would not offer to enter his future wife into a 'Buffalo Chips' contest." - Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:00:38 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)
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        frisco

        Dem convention = People start paying attention.
        Sept = More people start paying attention.
        Oct = Oil companies drop price of gas below $2.75

        "With all the wit of a stunned trout, prodigal stumbled clumsily into the midst of a discussion . . . " -- droogie6655321

        by prodigal on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:07:52 AM PDT

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        •  re (0+ / 0-)

          If you think oil is the only thing affecting people's wallets.....

          "Steve Holt would not offer to enter his future wife into a 'Buffalo Chips' contest." - Steve Holt

          by cookiesandmilk on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:22:23 AM PDT

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          •  It isn't but the media will leap all over it. n/t (0+ / 0-)

            "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." --Thomas Jefferson

            by frisco on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:58:08 AM PDT

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          •  if people REALLY voted their wallets (0+ / 0-)

            there's no way Bush could have won.

            They vote on PERCEPTION (not facts), and the GOP are masters at picking voters' pockets while telling them that Dems will raise their taxes.

            It's like mass hypnosis...

            Worst president in history. Supported by the worst Americans in history.

            by Terminus on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:02:35 AM PDT

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          •  file this under 'better late than never": (1+ / 0-)
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            axel000

            Rural slowdown may aid Obama

            The folks in this picturesque mountain community with red barns and Amish buggies have been voting overwhelmingly Republican in national elections for decades.

            But tough economic times in Mifflin County and in rural areas all around the country have created possible openings for Democrat Barack Obama.

            President Bush won nearly 70 percent of the county's vote in both 2000 and 2004, but the standard of living here has declined steadily during his administration.

            The farm equipment factory that employed 500 workers here is closing. So is the milk plant. Farmers are facing skyrocketing feed and fertilizer costs, and gas prices are squeezing household budgets of those who now have to drive elsewhere for work.  (near Harrisburg, Pa)

            The article went on to say that 'some' are considering Obama....but many will just stay home & not vote for McCain either  (better than nothing).
            Some have admitted about themselves or 'others' that it's because he's Black  (God help us).

            I guess by not voting...they'll just close their eyes for 4-8 years & hope that things will mysteriously get better when they open them up.  
            But, they only worry about it when 'the rural area' is hurting (despite all the gov. subsidies).  The hell with the rest of us?  

            Where people fear the government there is tyrany: "Where the government fears the people, you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson

            by ROADRUNNER DEM on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:38:46 AM PDT

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    •  I dont think he's overconfident, (6+ / 0-)

      he has been saying it will be a close race since he got the nod.

      It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

      by ablington on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:01:04 AM PDT

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    •  SEN OBAMA: DEMAND AN APOLOGY (0+ / 0-)

      Obama needs to make McCain's character assassination an issue - Demand an Apology.

      Make the issue McCain's baseless insult itself - call McCain anti-American for  insulting a good American in public service.

      Demand an Apology NOW.

      "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist."

      by oregonj on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:23:58 AM PDT

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    •  One thing that does worry me ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... about Obama is I'm not really sure he has the true killer instinct. (I don't think McBush has it either, but he has Turdblossom Rove to supply it.)

      Or maybe he's playing rope-a-dope, waiting for the Rethuglicans to punch themselves out before moving in for the kill after the convention. I kind of suspect the Democrats have a lot of shit they're holding back. Hope so, anyway.

  •  Turn those statements on their ear: (13+ / 0-)

    "John McCain doesn't care how many American soldiers are killed for an undefined and undefinable 'victory' in Iraq."

    "Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher

    by Cali Scribe on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:58:49 AM PDT

    •  McCain is defined by his CAPTIVITY. (0+ / 0-)

      No less than his monstrosity should be expected of this man who was held captive and tortured for five-and-a-half years.

      Do you really want a madman running your governemnt for five minutes?

      We have already had enough of an ailing Cheney (pumphead syndrome) running as hard as he could as decider.

      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

      by ezdidit on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:02:39 AM PDT

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  •  during the nomination fight (4+ / 0-)
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    RichM, Molly M, argee, Muzikal203

    During the nomination fight, Obama was very strong in spelling out how wrong the "experienced" crew was on foreign policy.

    I want that Obama back!  Plus he should be trashing McCain for his personal attacks - for claiming that there difference in preferred policy = treason.

  •  Was ambition behind McCain's (4+ / 0-)
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    frisco, triv33, earicicle, CityLightsLover

    flip flop on torture? I think probably so...

    This is a dangerous field to play on for McCain. Nobody has changed his positions more transparently for ambition than McCain. Ok, maybe Romney beats him, but that's it.

    •  Ambition? You wanna talk ambition? (2+ / 0-)
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      discocarp, TheWesternSun

      You're right, discocarp. McCain has sold out--"flip-flopped" is too nice a euphemism for it--on torture and on dozens of other major policy positions in his desperate pursuit of the Oval Office. He has sold his soul to the Devil Bushco, thinking it was his best shot at the White House.

      McCain has proven himself to be pure, naked ambition personified. Obama has to find a way to make that clear, without lowering himself too far into the stinky mud of McCain's filth.

      Sweet are the uses of adversity...[Find] tongues in trees, books in the running brooks, Sermons in stones, and good in everything. -Shakespeare, As You Like It

      by earicicle on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:05:42 AM PDT

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    •  No, I think the torture issue is (0+ / 0-)

      based on the McCain having lied about being tortured and so he assumes that all detainees are lying too.

      The Times has a picture of McCain in a body-cast, evidence of medical attention. That's not consistent with his torture and solitary confinement story.

      How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

      by hannah on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:05:49 AM PDT

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      •  I wouldn't go there (3+ / 0-)
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        frisco, Terminus, dashound

        unless you have rock solid evidence.

        I think the torture flip is just like the rest of McCain's flips. Pure ambition. Win at any cost.

      •  Do you (0+ / 0-)

        have anything to back that up aside from the statements from his former captor?

        •  Well, there's a picture of McCain in a (0+ / 0-)

          body cast in conjunction with the NY Times article which certainly suggests that he was provided with medical attention and then Col. Bud Day talks about seeing McCain in the cast, while the McCain story is that Bud was recaptured by the VC and delivered to the Hao Lo prison emmaciated and near death and McCain and another fellow nursed him back to health and McCain fashioned a split to repair Day's atrophied arm.  So, to my way of thinking, even if they're all telling the truth, the stories don't mesh and POWs in solitary confinement don't get to make splints for other prisoners.  
          And then there's Bud Day talking about re-interpreting the propaganda and he certainly sounds like they heard it together and re-interpreted it together.

          If McCain wasn't in solitary, then what other part of his story is false?

          More far out are stories that McCain had a pad and a Vietnamese woman to keep him company and produced off-spring.  I don't credit those.

          Fact is, in pictures of McCain deplaning when he got home, he looks in good shape and his right arm waves.  Now, it's quite possible that subsequentl surgery to correct a dislocated shoulder or one that pops out of the socket a lot left him unable to raise his arm above his head (I know that's a possibility because it's why our son rejected surgery to correct such a shoulder problem).  
          Fact is, that his disability couldn't have been all that bad since McCain was given a command for which he had to be physically fit.

          How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

          by hannah on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:58:54 AM PDT

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          •  don't fuck with his POW history (1+ / 0-)
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            dashound

            he was hard core. Give him that. The man you see today, however, is nothing like that guy.

            We've got plenty of other ammunition to work with here: offshore drilling, abortion, stem cells, and the list goes on and on...

            Worst president in history. Supported by the worst Americans in history.

            by Terminus on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:06:05 AM PDT

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            •  The problem with the issues you cite is (0+ / 0-)

              that they are in the future and therefor indefinite and indeterminate.

              The past is evidence that can be validated.  Past is prologue.  We all know that certain behavioral patterns, such as lying and cheating, are really hard to reverse, especially if they're not confronted and admitted.

              McCain has developed the habit of a "limited hang-out" which lets the more disgusting stuff remain hidden.

              To let McCain get away with his lies, even as he disrespects current troops and veterans is to do the latter a disservice.

              He spent 20 hours in the air bombing Vietnamese cities and villages.  Not even one day!  
              Meanwhile, troops who have spent years on the ground in Iraq are being deprived of their health care and education, when they make it home.  That's sick.

              I've been opposed to the assault on Iraq from the beginning, but "voluntary servitude" is not an acceptable condition.  The violation of the human rights of our military personnel is as egregious as what's being perpetrated against the Iraqis.  It's just simply disgusting.

              How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

              by hannah on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:29:57 AM PDT

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          •  So, that means no. (0+ / 0-)

            I think that there is enough material to challenge him on real issues and not have to resort to desperate looking character attacks.

            •  Appearances are deceiving. To provide (0+ / 0-)

              evidence of a failure to be directed by moral standards is not to attack.

              Personally, I don't think McCain is going to make it past Labor Day.  But, that Republicans have even sent in this stalking horse is offensive.

              Every single one of the Democratic candidates, including Gravel, had more moral credibility than McCain.

              How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

              by hannah on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:34:36 AM PDT

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  •  I hope the campaign sees this one! (3+ / 0-)
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    frisco, filby, CityLightsLover

    I totally agree. No more Mr. Nice Guy is needed.
    McCain is a nasty street fighter and a liar to boot.
    Obama needs to start on your line of attack.

  •  Start off every speech with: (2+ / 0-)
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    IndyScott, karpaty lviv

    "John McCain is a traitor to his country"

  •  Only 7 years? (2+ / 0-)
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    88kathy, CityLightsLover

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:00:43 AM PDT

  •  Thinly veiled? (7+ / 0-)

    McCain's done everything BUT outright say Obama is a traitor.  The only reason he probably hasn't accused him of it is because you'd have to be a citizen to be a traitor first, and he's done all he can to paint Obama as somehow not really American in the first place.

    Of course, Obama accusing McCain of cribbing in an open forum with supposedly surprise questions is simply beyond the pale.

    If you don't stand for something, Then you'll fall for anything.

    by Kryptik on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:00:54 AM PDT

  •  Stirring Nationilism Vote (1+ / 0-)
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    CityLightsLover

    He is pushing buttons this McCshithead.  

  •  I don't think these criticisms will be effective (1+ / 0-)
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    CityLightsLover

    In talking to people, they seem to really turn them off from him

    •  Yet polls show (4+ / 0-)
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      RichM, Kitty, lisa66, ra in ca

      That some combination of McCain's attacks, diminished interest in the campaign during the August lull, the Russia-Georgia conflict, and Obama's vacation are driving voters away from Obama. This trend isn't polling noise, it's really and substantial, and it should have the Obama campaign very worried. (Not in crisis mode, because there are significant campaign developments coming very soon.) But Obama's advisers, and Obama himself, were watching 4 years ago when Bush ran Kerry's name into the mud, took control of the narrative, and converted Kerry's early polling strength into a Bush lead that lasted from the conventions into the election. If they seriously think, after seeing all that, that running a primarily positive campaign, or a campaign that only goes after one's opponent on policy grounds, is an acceptable or non-criminally negligent strategy, they all need to be committed.

      •  ITA 100% (0+ / 0-)

        Love Obama, but he is coming of as weak. And, yes he has to get personal with the little wrinkly belligerent one.

      •  The antidote to the McCain experience (1+ / 0-)
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        djbender

        argument is to argue essentially that he is nuts. Turn him into Goldwater. When people are apprehensive about the future, you have to make the alternative to you pretty scary. What have conservative Republicans said about McCain? They say he has a temper that makes him unhinged. The idea of him becoming President scares them! This is the line of attack that will make McCain look like the risky choice. The McSame argument is OK, but it's getting a little tired. The aim of the Obama campaign must be to try to get McCain to the point where he actually has to argue that he is not crazy. That should be the goal. Obama must not ever say this himself, but every other Democrat should be saying it every day: McCain is crazy and cannot be trusted to be President.

  •  Sounds like he's calling him "uppity" again (3+ / 0-)
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    RichM, GN1927, CityLightsLover

    don't see why else he'd keep bringing up things like "ambition" and how he thinks Obama is presumptious.

    •  go after this...McCain's 10 houses & wealth (0+ / 0-)

      This should get at least a few people to open their eyes:

      1.  Watch the video    
      1. Send it to everyone you know

      "Most working families today do not have homes that have anywhere near ten rooms. John McCain has ten houses. Many working people in America have to work two and three jobs to provide for their families and pay their car loans. John McCain hops on a private jet. Is it any wonder why McCain champions a George Bush agenda of cutting taxes for corporations and the wealthy, helping oil companies turn record profits, and leaving working families to fend for themselves? McCain's velvet world leaves him utterly unprepared to make the tough choices we need to restore the middle class and ensure that everyone in America has quality, affordable health insurance." - Andy Stern, President, Service Employees International Union (SEIU)

      John McCain is soaring to new heights of hypocrisy on his wife's personal jet. He flies around the country bent on duping the public into believing he's "one of them," a regular guy who can empathize with Americans facing an overwhelming economic crush. What's more, he disparages those who oppose his ridiculous policy proposals as "elitist." But who's the real elitist?

      The REAL McCain is a multimillionaire who owns ten luxurious homes. The REAL McCain backs President Bush's tax cuts for big corporations. The REAL McCain empathizes only with the interests of our nation's wealthy minority, not its money-strapped majority. But far too many are buying into McCain's deceit because the corporate press won't present the whole picture, so we created this video to educate the public about the REAL McCain.

      Watch the video and send it to everyone you know.

      Together, you have been a force in making sure The REAL McCain videos have been seen by nearly 6.5 million people. But as Frank Rich noted in his NY Times column yesterday, 40% of Americans hear too little about McCain from the mainstream media, meaning "the public doesn't know who on earth John McCain is." That's why it's crucial you ensure this video is seen by as many as possible, and that we use each and every tool at our disposal to get the word out. Send this on to five friends and family members, and tell them to send it to five people they know. Get it to your local news outlets and blogs and networking sites like Digg. Raise hell about McCain's economic duplicity!

      AFL-CIO President John Sweeney summed it up best when he said McCain "simply doesn't understand the challenges America's working families are facing because he isn't remotely affected by them." It's up to us to tell people who McCain really is, a jet-setting elitist more concerned with corporate lobbyists than hard-working Americans.

      Yours,
      Robert Greenwald
      and the Brave New team

      Brave New Films

      Where people fear the government there is tyrany: "Where the government fears the people, you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson

      by ROADRUNNER DEM on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:48:29 AM PDT

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  •  Kerry convention nearly all positive (4+ / 0-)

    The 2004 Democratic convention had almost all positive messages, very few attacks.

    What a mistake.

    This year they need to both promote Obama AND draw the contrasts to McCain.

    •  Contrasts aren't enough. (2+ / 0-)
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      slinkerwink, Hannibal

      Tear McCain down. Ridicule and mock him. Be mean about it. Don't talk about respecting his service. Talk about how he's a demented warmonger. Personal attacks are what get traction with the public--many voters are too stupid to understand policy contrasts, or who is right and who is wrong about various policy issues.

  •  I vote for pounding, but I was an Edwards (6+ / 0-)
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    slinkerwink, frisco, Fury, Hannibal, sherlyle, filby

    supporter and we were told we were "too angry".

  •  Whither Obama? (10+ / 0-)

    Why do WE have to say this obvious truth?

    WHAT THE FUCK.

    I'm so sick and tired of this flaccid excuse for a political party.  Obama shouldn't have just buried McCain by now.  He should already be pissing on the grave.

    Fucking worthless Democrats.  McCain has provided tons of material, in HIS OWN WORDS, on video no less, and guess how much of it I've seen in TV ads:  Not a single fucking bit.

    Fuck this shit.  Get some claws, Obama, or get lost.

    My tires are properly inflated, my engine is properly tuned.

    by DarkRhyme on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:02:48 AM PDT

  •  Don't VFW Speeches (0+ / 0-)

    have quite the "illustrious" history? If memory serves, Rummy was speaking in front of the VFW when he said that people who disagreed with GWB's tactics in "the war on terror" were "morally & intellectually confused," and, therefore, inspired the first Keith Olbermann "special comment" around this time a couple years ago.

    "I am the one who speaks for the spirit of freedom & decency in you." Hunter S. Thompson

    by CityLightsLover on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:02:56 AM PDT

  •  Fact is, McCain surrendered to the (3+ / 0-)
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    GN1927, Fury, CityLightsLover

    Vietnamese.  His assertion that he "will never surrender in Iraq" suggests he thinks Southwest Asia is a do-over of Southeast Asia.
    In any event, it's not up to Obama to make the case.  The election isn't about him, it's about the United States and us.

    McCain needs to understand that when he attacks our candidate, he's attacking us.  Why does McCain hate America?

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:03:03 AM PDT

    •  How (0+ / 0-)

      do you mean "surrender"?  

      •  Well, you know, capture on one side (1+ / 0-)
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        axel000

        means surrender on the other.  Clearly, he did not fight to the death and he didn't break open some magic capsule.

        I don't happen to consider surrender dishonorable.  My father, who was drafted into the German Army at the age of 39, surrendered to the Americans first chance he got and spent four years as a POW.  He, like many other Germans knew their rulers were insane.

        How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

        by hannah on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:16:31 AM PDT

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    •  McCain was held captive and tortured.... (0+ / 0-)

      His traumatization at the hands of his captors defines him best of all.

      Should we expect less violence from a noble captive?

      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

      by ezdidit on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:05:42 AM PDT

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      •  people, let's lay off impugning his POW record (0+ / 0-)

        we are not fucking swiftboaters here. We should go after him based on his record in the senate. God knows we have plenty to work with.

        Worst president in history. Supported by the worst Americans in history.

        by Terminus on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:08:24 AM PDT

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        •  I'm impugning his Senate record by (0+ / 0-)

          trying to explain the man that McCain has become. (i.e., do you want a monster at the helm?)

          Obama can't ask that question, but I sure as hell can.

          I won't shy away from the basic problem that exists in his psyche. Let Obama rant about his Senate record.

          Present the man and his flaws in all their glorious suffering, and you begin to see that McCain and his Senate record make him unfit to lead after 8 years of Bush.

          "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

          by ezdidit on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:17:55 AM PDT

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        •  No, actually, it was his friends who were the (1+ / 0-)
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          ezdidit

          swiftboaters.  That's what's so disgusting.

          How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

          by hannah on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:17:55 AM PDT

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  •  Over the past 7 years? Let's start with the past (2+ / 0-)
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    Ciaoamica, CityLightsLover

    7 days!  Climbing on board with the latest Bush disaster in Georgia, McSame proves once again that he's a puppet of the finest caliber!  One more reason being 5th from the bottom of your class does not necessarily qualify you to be good at foreign policy!  (He brags about that as if it's something to be proud of!)  Media, pay attention, once again, McCain = Bush.  Duh!

  •  Claiming title to motives. (1+ / 0-)
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    CityLightsLover

    The standard Republican ploy, of claiming the right to identify motives.
    Obama has been opposed to the war from day 1 because he is more interested in getting elected than in the US winning a war. (Never mind what "winning" a civil war in another country means.)
    The ACLU speaks for teh right to publish of group X because it supports group X.
    Bush opposes fair trial for people his administration has accused of terrorism because he is so committed to fighting terrorism.
    et cetera.

    "I'm not opposed to all wars; I'm opposed to dumb wars." -- Obama in 2002

    by Frank Palmer on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:03:18 AM PDT

  •  Obama response: “The difference in this (7+ / 0-)

    race is that John McCain is intent on spending $10 billion a month on an open-endedwar."

    And

    "All his bluster, distortions and negative attacks notwithstanding, it is hard to understand how Senator McCain can at once proclaim his support for the sovereign government of Iraq, and then stubbornly defy their expressed support for a timeline to remove our combat brigades from their country,"

  •  Another tsk-tsk coming from Obama no doubt (2+ / 0-)
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    RichM, Dump Terry McAuliffe

    After all, we all now that this type of politics isn't what the American people want, right?

    McCain's campaign must be lauighing right now.

  •  Has Shrum taken over Obama's campaign? (4+ / 0-)

    During the last six weeks, the Obama campaign has been following the John Kerry game plan, and we all know how that turned out.

    John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:04:37 AM PDT

  •  Obama had better hammer him on this (4+ / 0-)
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    88kathy, Terminus, ryan81, CityLightsLover

    I'm tired of this crap going unanswered.

  •  Release the hounds--er, 527s! (6+ / 0-)

    Can there be any remaining doubt that keeping a lid on the 527s has been a tactical mistake? They're so good at taking the low road... time to let them!

  •  Obama speaks tomorrow. I bet he will respond (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    CityLightsLover

    more forcefully then.

  •  Transparent Projection (7+ / 0-)

    McCain is the most nakedly ambitious candidate for the Presidency in modern memory.

    Here's an excerpt from a WaPo story, "The Curious Mind of John McCain."

    "I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I'd had the ambition for a long time."

    That ambition led McCain into a moral lapse that appalled him. It involved an ongoing dispute in South Carolina over the tradition of flying the Confederate battle flag atop the state capitol, in Columbia. In a television interview, McCain said the flag was "offensive," and he appeared sympathetic to its critics. His aides were alarmed, fearing the consequences in the upcoming South Carolina primary, and they wrote a damage-control statement that McCain read repeatedly before television cameras. "I understand both sides," McCain said. "Some view the flag as a symbol of slavery. Others view it as a symbol of heritage. Personally, I see the battle flag as a symbol of heritage."

    But that, McCain wrote a year later, was "a lie." The flag symbolized both slavery and the South's secession from "the country I love," and "should be lowered forever from the staff atop South Carolina's capitol."

    "I had promised to tell the truth no matter what," McCain wrote in the book. "When I broke it, I had not just been dishonest, I had been a coward, and I had severed my own interests from my country's. That was what made the lie unforgivable."

    Obama/Feingold - that's the ticket!

    by abrauer on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:05:09 AM PDT

    •  Which is why I said in my last Diary (0+ / 0-)

      Obama needs to:

      1. Put Hillary Clinton on the ticket.  There may be another attack dog like Biden who would be just as good, but Bayh and Kaine are milquetoast.
      1. Go hard negative.  Obama has got to go deeply and profoundly negative on McCain and try to drive up doubts about his maverick and war hero myths.  The cross in the dirt story is a lead in to that.
      1. Bring the narrative back to the real issue of "Do you really want 4 more years of Bush?"  That's the central question, not "Who is Barack Obama?"

      But you called me an idiot.

      •  Are you stalking me? (0+ / 0-)

        Why didn't you link to your last diary?  Because the other commenters were just as unimpressed as I was?  Because you received zero recommendations for it?

        You concluded it by saying:

        If he doesn't change course now, he's going to be defeated.   Don't tell me I'm Chicken Little, and don't tell me to trust in the campaign.  They've got to get fired up and punch McCain in the nose.  

        To which I responded:

        Since you have preemptively directed that I can't call you a Chicken Little or tell you to trust the campaign, I'm forced to tell you:

        You are an idiot.  Don't quit your day job to become a political strategist.

        Obama/Feingold - that's the ticket!

        by abrauer on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:58:00 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'm not stalking you (0+ / 0-)

          Here's the link to the afforementioned diary.

          Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you get to call me an idiot.

          Here's the guideline.

          "Personal attacks are strongly discouraged. If you disagree with what someone is saying, express your disagreement, but don't go directly after the other person."

          •  Your support of Hillary Clinton for VP (0+ / 0-)

            betrays a fundamental ignorance of electoral politics.  The majority of Democratic primary participants, when given the opportunity to ratify Clinton's belief that she was the best candidate for the Presidency, chose someone else instead.

            Thus her support within the party is weak.  As has been proven by her inability to get even her own adherents to retire her substantial campaign debt.

            Second, her consistently high negatives, and the degree to which she is a lightning rod for conservatives who would rally around even a  Republican candidate about whom they are lukewarm in order to beat Hillary, makes her a disastrous choice for VP.

            These are the arguments that support my claim that you are an idiot.

            Obama/Feingold - that's the ticket!

            by abrauer on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:43:41 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Again (0+ / 0-)

              Aside from the fact that you're wrong on several of the points you just made, you still can't call me an idiot.  That's a personal attack.  

              You can say my argument is weak, you can use numerous examples to explain why you think I'm wrong, but you still can't call someone a name.  It's really not kosher.

              But to the substance of your argument:

              If I'm an idiot, then here some others:

              Today's Columbus Dispatch

              Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight.com:

              I have come around on Clinton. I think she would at least be a decent VP choice for Obama, and possibly an excellent choice.

              And an update from Nate:

              Steve Clemons, who posted that odd item on Wesley Clark on Saturday, reports that a decision has been made on the VP slot. He says it WON'T be Bayh, Daschle, Reed, or Clark. He thinks Joe Biden is the most likely choice, with Kaine, Hagel and Sebelius still possible but less likely. And he thinks we shouldn't discount the possibility of Clinton, Gore, or Kerry. (emphasis added)

              I'm not saying this will happen.  I agree with Nate because I think the positives outweigh the negatives.   But I'm also in favor of Biden.

              You're just completely wrong about her support within the party being weak.  She had millions of votes, and you'll see the delegate count being close as well.   I voted for Obama, and I'm an Obama donor and supporter, but I know that her support is not weak.  

              •  I don't keep kosher (0+ / 0-)

                and I don't take direction from anonymous strangers about my vocabulary choices.

                Hillary didn't want her name to be placed into nomination but was persuaded to do so, because she knows full well that the number of votes she will receive is significantly lower than the total number of pledged and superdelegates last reported in her column.  She was persuaded to do so for the sake of party unity, but will first call upon her supporters to vote for Obama, as she herself will, so that everyone can pretend they only shifted allegiance at her behest.

                Thus the illusion of her power will be preserved.

                Obama/Feingold - that's the ticket!

                by abrauer on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:32:48 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

  •  The VFW needs to learn how many times McCain has (5+ / 0-)

    voted AGAINST them and their brother and sister veterans  he is a "fraud" claiming all veterans groups support him    I am a veteran and my group Edgewood Survivors don't support him  and  501C groups like DAV, VFW and others can NOT support any candidates for political office it is forbidden in their congressional charters  they are non-partisian

  •  Is it just me.... (6+ / 0-)

    or is it whenever blacks and/or women run for national office, they're accused of "ambition"? As in, they don't know their place?

    I'm never one to be knee-jerk and scream "THAT'S RACIST!" but this line of attack is CLEARLY racist.

    •  That Old Race Card... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Ciaoamica, vacuumslayer

      The fact that you're screaming about racism simply proves that you yourself are the real racist, and are trying to paint the innocent McCain campaign with such scurrilous attacks.

      You know....never mind the fact that McCain can be 'ambitious' without consequence.  Nope, nevermind that at all.  It's just that damn race card being played.  Same way with all those presumptous arrogant ambitious not-quite-American people who don't have the good sense to be born light-skinned, ya know.

      ....

      Ow...that snark hurt to type out.

      If you don't stand for something, Then you'll fall for anything.

      by Kryptik on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:09:49 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Exactly.. (0+ / 0-)

        ...you hit the nail on the head. Can't McCain be pegged as want to keep Americans in Iraq to kill or be kill for HIS "ambition"?

        But Obama would be absolutely ROASTED in the media if he said that. Y'know, the whole "angry neegrah" label and all.

  •  McCain's attacks have turned some heads (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    slinkerwink, filby, CityLightsLover

    like Alter and Klein, but it's astonishing that the rest allow McCain to make such outrageous comments and just report them.

    •  The media covering for McCain.. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Molly M, Terminus

      ...is the only reason he's even close. If Obama had said and done half of the things McCain had, he'd be finished.

      Remember all the "presumptuous" crap from his speech in Berlin? McCain sends "delegates" to Georgia and barely a peep of that kind of talk.

      The media are actively AIDING McCain and there's not even a hint of pretense with it.

  •  The Obama campaign needs to get mean.... (5+ / 0-)

    ....or it's over.

    "I don't want a president with a swollen left gland" My 5 year-old daughter

    by dehrha02 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:05:51 AM PDT

  •  McCain is still the guy that will (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    fumie, CityLightsLover

    walk up to you smiling and shake your hand while sticking a sheave between your ribs.

    The response:

    Behind all of these false accusations and low-road politics by Senator McCain lies the ambition to be president.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:06:24 AM PDT

  •  John McCain is a sick son of a bitch. (10+ / 0-)

    The asshole is an opportunists using his veteran status for political gain. Someone needs to show what a fucking fraud John McCain is on veteran issues. Obviously it's clear now the Obama campaign are too scared to touch it. All this nonsense that we honor McCain's service is bullshit, I don't honor McCain's service. I think he's using his fellow veterans for his own personal gain. Scum bag!

  •  Failed to capture Osama Bin laden (6+ / 0-)

    John mcCain and George Bush failed to capture Osama bin laden.

    They put HALLIBURTON ahead of national security, the executives of Exxon-Mobil and Chevron over the men and women of the armed forces.

    As President, I will send our soldiers to where Osama Bin Laden is hiding out and 2009 will be his last year on this planet.

    I'm not being paid and I should not be coming up with better things to say than those who are being paid to say this.

    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

    by davefromqueens on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:06:33 AM PDT

  •  I really wish someone would point out (5+ / 0-)

    that McCain is BLATANTLY questioning Obama's "patriotism" every time he does this, and he does it in front of Veterans groups. It's wrong, and it shows just how DISHONORABLE McCain is.

    "The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, (insert act) is outrageous!" - McSpokesperson

    by Muzikal203 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:06:34 AM PDT

  •  Where are the Obama surrogates. (9+ / 0-)

    If Obama doesn't want to get his hands dirty than he needs his surrogates to do it. But the problem is, whenever someone says anything negative about McCain they are disrespecting his military service to the country. You can't say anything about McCain because he was a POW.

    In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. Douglas Adams

    by ryan81 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:06:37 AM PDT

  •  McCain is the personification of the Big Joooohn (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    CityLightsLover

    video.  Two thumbs down!

    There is no Left Wing. Left is the truth.

    by BA BarackUS on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:07:30 AM PDT

  •  What Obama Needs To Say (9+ / 0-)

    Getting a lecture from John McCain on honor and truthfulness is like getting a lecture from Dick Cheney on gun safety or Larry Craig on bathroom etiquette.

    It was George W. Bush and John McCain who gave us this disaster in Iraq in the first place. They were the ones who told America that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. He did not.

    They were the ones who told us that Iraq had an operational relationship with Al Qaeda. They did not.

    They were the ones who told us we'd be greeted as liberators. We were not.

    And they were the ones who told us Iraqi oil revenue would pay for all of this. It is not. You are -- from the supermarket to the gas pump.

    After eight years of Republican failure, the last thing we need is one of the architects of that failure popping off and promising us four more years.

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:09:06 AM PDT

  •  Wouldn't Obama flip flop on Iraq... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Molly M

    ...like McCain did on timetables, if he were "ambitious?"

    The McCain campaign has the worst ase of psychological projection I have ever seen.

  •  It's time to revive "100 years." (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    slinkerwink

    I haven't heard it in a while. He said it, he meant it.

    It is no less accurate, in fact quite more accurate, to say that John McCain wants us to be in Iraq for 100 years than to say Obama wants to surrender there.

    The above comment is probably disrespectful of John McCain's military service somehow.

    by RickMassimo on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:09:37 AM PDT

  •  Bill Burton From Obama Campaign Responds (6+ / 0-)

    "All his bluster, distortions and negative attacks notwithstanding, it is hard to understand how Senator McCain can at once proclaim his support for the sovereign government of Iraq, and then stubbornly defy their expressed support for a timeline to remove our combat brigades from their country. The difference in this race is that John McCain is intent on spending $10 billion a month on an open-ended war, while Barack Obama thinks we should bring this war to a responsible end and invest in our pressing needs here at home."

  •  Yeh, and McCain's a humble and reluctant... (2+ / 0-)
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    Greasy Grant, Ciaoamica

    "servant" of the people with no real ambition.  He didn't even want to run for President and it was only after so many, droves and droves in fact, of the Republican Faithful begged him to run in 2000 and again in 2007 that he finally and reluctantly relented to the pressure and tossed his hat into the ring.

    What a lying swine.

    bg
    _____

    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:11:18 AM PDT

  •  The longer he does this the more profound (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GN1927, Ciaoamica, vacuumslayer

    hatred of this vile piece of shit.

    "In the stream of consciousness, There is a river crying, Living comes much easier, Once we admit, We're dying." - Petrucci

    by Ex Real Republican on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:11:59 AM PDT

  •  Pounding (8+ / 0-)

    Yes, let the hard-nosed application of politics begin.

    Obama began the summer with a healthy double-digit lead in the polls.  And today, here's what the FiveThirtyEight website has to say:

    "Although Barack Obama remains a slight favorite in this election, his position is more vulnerable than at any point since the primaries concluded, and he no longer appears to have a built-in strength in the electoral college that we had attributed to him before."
    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

    Or maybe I shouldn't quote that, I might be accused of being a chicken little again.  Better that, though, than fiddling while the campaign burns . . .

    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle--Plato

    by Philip Graham on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:12:17 AM PDT

  •  Um, you missed his town hall yesterday? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GN1927, Greasy Grant, Ciaoamica

    If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, your name must be Barack Obama.

    by eclecticbrotha on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:12:20 AM PDT

    •  Just doesn't seem to register (0+ / 0-)

      If folks are bound and determined to paint the Dem as weak, spineless, and unwilling to "fight" back, they will fit the facts to their narrative, truth be damned.

      Just yesterday:

      "John McCain and I fundamentally disagree on how we are gonna move this country forward. He ran a negative ad -- which is most of the ads he runs -- he ran a negative ad that claimed all my economic plan was was higher taxes and that it would lead to economic disaster," Obama said, before going on to tell the audience that his tax policy would benefit the middle class more than McCain's. "I've got news for John McCain: My plan's not gonna bring about economic disaster. We already have economic disaster from John McCain's president George W. Bush, and we can't afford another four years or eight years of George W. Bush policies and that's why we're gonna beat John McCain in this election to put America on a new path."

      "We haven't been passing the credits that are needed for companies to invest in solar power and oh, by the way, guess what -- John McCain has opposed these credits in the past and then he's got the nerve to stand up there on television and talk about how he believes in alternative energy," Obama said. "It's just not true."

      He told the crowd they shared a common story and asked them not to be fooled by nasty emails and ads featuring "Paris and Britney."

      Yet people are running up and down this thread with the usual bs about spines.  Time for this party's supporters to start thinking about smart strategy on the supporter level rather than merely smart strategy for tactics which are not firmly in our control.

    •  OT - I think you accidently HR'd a tip jar (0+ / 0-)

      See:
      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      I think it was an accident since your Rec'd the diary.

  •  his failures in judgement (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dennisk, Ciaoamica

    go back more than 7 years. i posit that his lack of judgement is what made him become a pow in the first place.

    REALITY IS NOT ALWAYS PROBABLE,OR LIKELY. JORGE LUIS BORGES

    by AltruisticSkeptic on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:13:51 AM PDT

  •  McCain (0+ / 0-)

    McCain is all about accusing Obama of retreat and failure when, McCain himself attempted suicide in the past...  What does this say about his leadership skills? What will he do in the face of problems within our country or outside? I do not trust this... man at all. He's a liar and a cheat just like his buddy, Bush.  

  •  No kidding. (0+ / 0-)

    There is more than enough there for the Obama campaign to call out McCain (and even to an extent the media) on the type of campaign being waged.

    "Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do." ~Voltaire

    by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:15:19 AM PDT

  •  my local paper just called and will print my (11+ / 0-)

    LTTE

    Senile Dementia and John McCain

    He proudly promotes his experience in foreign affairs.  Recently, on foreign issues he seems ever more confused. He repeatedly mixed up Sunni and Shiite, forgot that Iran is a Shiite country and was lucky to have Sen. Lieberman nearby to correct him. He called the Czech Republic as "Czechoslovakia." He thought that Pakistan and Iraq share a common border and he said the Vladimir Putin was the president of Germany. All of this in just the last three months.

    While everyone is entitled to make mistakes, such basic errors can indicate more serious cognitive problems, especially when his actions are becoming strange in other ways.  What presidential candidate would offer his wife up for a topless contest, or sing  "Bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran?"

    On major issues, (abortion, social security, taxes Iran, Iraq, off shore drilling, stem cells, just to mention a few)  he either forgot his previous stances and changed his mind, or he is incapable of recalling positions he held dearly as recently as a year ago. The problem is he categorically denies ever changing his positions, even when he is shown video and news articles.

    Senile dementia results in  progressive loss of memory and mental abilities, and noticeable personality changes.  Short-term memory is affected first, and a victim then has increasing emotional and physical instability, with unpredictable switches between apathy and aggression. Victims fill in the blanks in their memory unpredictably, and confabulate facts routinely. More and more, his behavior resembles that of Senile Dementia sufferers.

    John McCain served his nation honorably. Except for his Keating 5 scandal, he avoided most troubles that other congressmen and senators seem to attract. While he deserves respect and thanks for his past service, that service should not blind us from a growing collection of strange behavior and misstatements. If McCain does suffer from a progressive mental disability, he has no business being president.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:16:25 AM PDT

  •  The problem starts with the electorate... (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RichM, slinkerwink, GN1927, Greasy Grant

    ...or to paraphrase Rummy, we go to the ballot boxes with the voters we have, not the ones we wish we had.

    In the 60s, most voters could see Goldwater (even though he was far more principled than McCain) for the, er, shall we say wholly unsuitable candidate he was.

    Today, after 20 years of educational failure and a national media that is both jingoistic and ill-educated (and also with far fewer principles), a sizeable share of our electorate is unable to see McCain for what he is.

    I don't think you can solve the problem in the short-term; a learning curve will have to be relearned, and it's hardly likely to be pleasant.

    OVER HERE: AN AMERICAN EXPAT IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE, is now available on Amazon US

    by Lupin on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:17:25 AM PDT

  •  It's time for a (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RichM

    "shame on you, john mccain" moment from barack, a la hrc.  

  •  Here's How You Lose An Election (7+ / 0-)

    Your opponent calls you a weak traitor. And you essentially start all of your "attacks" by saying that your opponent is a man of honor and an American hero.

    For fuck sake, is the Obama camp trying to lose?

    I'm getting so sick and tired of this high-road crap. Americans want a fighter -- not a wimp. And Obama comes across as a wimp every time McCain bitch-slaps him and he does nothing in response.

    I just can't believe this is happening again. Get some fucking spine, or get out of the fight.

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:21:25 AM PDT

  •  This election is about two things: (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GN1927, Maverick80229
    1. Economy
    1. Judgment

    Sen. Obama with our help will be hammering home those two points between now and the election.

  •  The noble McCain hath told you that Obama is... (0+ / 0-)

    ...ambitious. If it isso, it is a grievous fault.

    McCain says he was ambitious, and McCain is an honorable man.

  •  John McCain Is Such A SCUMBAG!!! (0+ / 0-)

    McCain/(Hagee+Parsley) '08 "We Hunt Jews and Muslims So You Dont Have To. Straight Talk"

    by DFutureIsNow on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:27:03 AM PDT

  •  But Brutus is an honorable man. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Wait until the debates, then throw it in his face (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GN1927, abrauer

    and when he tries to deny it, call him a liar.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:28:38 AM PDT

  •  His Second Attempt (0+ / 0-)

    McCain will divide the country in his valiant 2nd Attempt to become president

  •  Ad to turn the ambition issue against McCain (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    slinkerwink, dehrha02, abrauer

    Narrator:  

    John McCain...wants to be POTUS...very badly (insert tape of McCain saying his personal ambition overrides the positions he believes in)

    Narrator:

    How far will John McCain go to place his own ambition above what he says he believes in?

    Montage of McCain flip-flopping on position after position)

    Narrator:

    The simple question to ask yourself as you enter the voting booth...Am I electing a president who will do or say anything to fulfill his ambition, or am I electing a president who cares about MY hopes and dreams?

    I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message.

  •  Memo to Obama: Find a Spine! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RichM, Prairie Gal

    For once in your life, find a spine and flog the living hell out of McCain with it.

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!

  •  Particularly maddening in light of McCain's... (3+ / 0-)
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    Marinesquire, cishart, ZedMont

    ...own words...

    From an Oct. 3, 2002 review of McCain's book by Janet Maslin:

    "I have craved distinction in my life," he acknowledges about a career in politics. "I have wanted renown and influence for their own sake."

    [snip]

    "I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to become president because it had become my ambition to be president. I was 62 years old when I made the decision, and I thought it was my one shot at the prize."

  •  If their pitcher knocks down your hitters- (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dump Terry McAuliffe

    then its about time Obama makes McCain hit the dirt.  Its about time for Obama to take the gloves off against this man and his attack machine who will do anything to win.  Daniel Webster said he'd rather be right then President, McCain only cares about being President, truth be damned.

  •  McCain = General Custer (0+ / 0-)

    I guess he wants to lead us to another Little Big Horn.

  •  Interesting that (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    askew

    this diary was about McCain's outrageous comments to the VFW yet most of the comments are about what Obama should be doing. I wish the energy expended telling Obama what to do could be spent on voter registration, canvassing, writing letters to media outlets...you know, all the things people do when they want their candidate elected.

    No distractions. Not this time.

    by royce on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:34:32 AM PDT

  •  I hope the Vets (0+ / 0-)

    are not buying this man's BS. He can only get so far saying this stuff when the U.S. and Iraq are trying to work out a time line for troops to come home.

    To err is human. To forgive, divine.

    by Highwind on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:34:34 AM PDT

  •  CNN: Active Duty Military giving $$ to Obama 6-1 (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GN1927

    over McCain.

    Six TO One among overseas active duty.  That's telling.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:35:11 AM PDT

  •  McCain's failures are Bush's failures too -say so (0+ / 0-)

    If all we hear from Obama's surrogates and Obama is that Obama's better judgment is the key, as stated and restated by Tom Daschle, for instance, on Sunday, then the bad guys will win.  Playing nice and intellectual, is like a highschool debate team suiting up for a pro football game.  

    Bush knows nothing about Russia and Putin and blew it by giving the "Green Light" as Georgia's President stated, to Putin when Bush met Putin in China at the Olympics.

    Now Pakistan has a new leadership group and Bush's buddy is gone.  How many more American troops will die becaue of the incompetence of Bush and his State Department, intelligence groups and Gates at Defense?

    That is what the Obama crew should be pounding on, leave McCain and his POW/Cross in the Sand stuff alone and go after the Republican Administration McCain hopes to keep in place.

    The world is going to Hell and Obama's crew are afraid to say so.  What is wrong with the Campaign and the D leadership?

    Reid and Pelosi are on vacation it seems and they and the rest of the D's are letting the November election be lost.  

  •  I'm all for a steady as she goes campaign but... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    slinkerwink

    ... sheesh lets kick some butt already! How long will McSmirk be allowed to jab away at Obama with these blatant lies without getting a bloody nose!

  •  This is a great diary (0+ / 0-)

    great catch, sorry to see that the thread has degenerated from pure advice ("hit him back") to the normal bs ("he's a weak Democrat/he has no spine").

    Good God this is going to be a long three months.

    For what it's worth to the various alarmists on this thread, seems like there are a gajillion voter registration events posted on mybo.com.  Here's a link to the states page to find local events.

  •  I keep getting my diaries stolen! (0+ / 0-)

    Last week Kos poached my diary (his here, mine here) about soldiers' contributions, and now this one got my diary from earlier in the day!

    I sense a conspiracy!  :-)

    P.S. Frankly, I blame the media.

    Help Linda Stender turn New Jersey's 7th Congressional District Blue. Donate on Act Blue today!

    by nathanrudy on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:40:57 AM PDT

  •  No more "Respect" (0+ / 0-)

    Yes he was a POW we know that.  But that doesn't mean you have to be so God damn respectful.  He's wrong, he's playing dirty and you've got to fight back.   Attack at the strength.  He's a POW, but he's making up stories about it.

  •  The hypocrisy is astonishing. (2+ / 0-)
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    RickMassimo, ZedMont

    This accusation from a man who, so prostituted himself for the Bush administration that he ranks up there with the Whore of Babylon, is breath-taking. I believe he now refers to the Vice-President as "my pimp".

    Well, I just want to see an ad that shows war images and a voice-over that says "We live in a dangerous world..." etc. Then the screen goes black and a quote fro Tad Cochranne, a conservative Republican colleague of McCain's appears, saying that the thought of McCain in the Oval Office sends chills down his spine. Obviously, there would be a lot of crafting. But the theme should be the same one that torpedoed him in 2000: John McCain is batshit crazy. He is out of his mind and cannot be trusted to be anywhere near the nuclear trigger.

  •  An open memo to John McCain (2+ / 0-)
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    GN1927, Ciaoamica

    Don't know if you're quite able to grasp the concept sir, but you're an asshole.

    That's asshole. In case you missed it the first time.

    -8.00, -8.26 "Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair

    by djMikulec on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:47:54 AM PDT

  •  Anybody Asking How Surrender Serves Ambition? nt (0+ / 0-)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:49:29 AM PDT

  •  What war hero tries to Commit Suicide? Coward! (1+ / 0-)
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    abrauer

    McCain is all about accusing Obama of retreat and failure when, McCain himself attempted suicide in the past...  What does this say about his leadership skills? What will he do in the face of problems within our country or outside? I do not trust this... man at all. He's a liar and a cheat just like his buddy, Bush.  

  •  mccain keeps teeing this up, it's time to drive (2+ / 0-)
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    Pete Rock, RickMassimo

    it right down his throat.
    "what is at stake is not some tactical decision made in the middle of a calamity, but the judgment that got us into that calamity. mccain made the reckless decision to invade a country that posed no threat to us. a reckless decision that has cost thousands of american lives, horribly maimed many thousand more families, cost hundreds of thousands of iraqi lives, uprooted & dispossessed millions more in iraq. a reckless & needless decision that has alienated america from her allies & emboldened our enemies. a recklessly petulant mindset that senator mccain refuses to acknowledge was wrong & promises to repeat as the mood strikes him. the choice is clear. if you believe the fiasco in iraq was a proper use of our national treasury, to the tune of trillions of your dollars, if you believe invading iraq was a wise investment of thousands of our best & bravest young americans - you should vote for john mccain. he stands by the decision that took us into that conflagration & has promised more of the same. he has actually promised more wars.
    if you believe the decision to spend our nation's resources & the blood of our young servicemen should be made in a more sober, thoughtful way - that any armed conflict the united states engages in should not be recklessly entered into - you should vote for me.
    this election is not about who loves america more, it is about who has shown reckless disregard in the use of our military & which of us has demonstrated sober, thoughtful judgment."

    obama should use the word "reckless" as many times as john mccain uses "my friends."

    Anyone who advocates, supports, defends, rationalizes, or excuses torture has pus for brains and a case of scurvy for a conscience. - James Wolcott

    by rasbobbo on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:54:06 AM PDT

  •  John McCain (0+ / 0-)

    is one of the most craven politicians  - evah!  He will say or do anything to get elected.

  •  They're Not Attacking Him Because He's a Person.. (0+ / 0-)

    ... Not because he's a war hero.  Basically, the Obama campaign is a principled one, starting from the top.  And as a matter of principle, Obama is loathe to respond in kind to underhanded attacks.  Just comparing the ethics of these two candidates in action is staggering.  McCain has lost the respect of millions through his actions in the last four years, and if Obama could make 'the Real McCain' more apparent to voters, the election'd be in the bag.  But for now, as the moral Obama hesitates to attack the amoral McCain, McCain continues to gain (at least, Nate Silver says he's gainin').

  •  when is Obama going to drive home Iraq war (2+ / 0-)
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    RickD, rasbobbo

    position ? McCant keeps on saying that he went for the surge even when it was unpopular (though not true). When is Obama going to forcefully say about his vote not going to Iraq against so many people and then state, good judgment trumps experience.

    "I inhaled. Frequently. That was the point." -BO

    by delphil on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:57:40 AM PDT

  •  McCain would choose wreckless aggression... (1+ / 0-)
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    rasbobbo

    ...in the pursuit of his ambition.

    But this is to be expected of a man who was violated by his captors for five-and-a-half years.

    McCain...lacking in humanity, lacking in principle, and ultim8tely lacking in soundness of mind.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:59:54 AM PDT

  •  Whattaya mean "thinly veiled"? (1+ / 0-)
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    rasbobbo

    I can think of few more direct accusations of treason than that.

    The above comment is probably disrespectful of John McCain's military service somehow.

    by RickMassimo on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:00:03 AM PDT

  •  if Obama doesn't hit back directly (1+ / 0-)
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    lisa66

    then he's the fool. If Obama continues to talk about respecting McCain in any way, then he's the fool.

    Obama said he's going to fight....so???? Still waiting.

    And these are not "thinly veiled accusations of treason." These are very clear accusations.

  •  Hate to be a sky is falling chicken little but... (1+ / 0-)
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    slinkerwink

    Obama needs to call McCain out, I have given to Obama before but I will stop unless it leads to some serious fighting.

  •  Sounds like a code-word for 'uppity' to me (1+ / 0-)
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    RickD

    Remember when Black folks in America started to have money and power during reconstruction? Remember how the Klan and other white supremacist groups attacked successful blacks? They called them 'uppity'.

    When I hear the press and McCain's campaign insinuating that Obama may be 'too good to be true' or 'arrogant', I immediately translate that word into its 20th century predecessor: 'uppity'.

    When will the mainstream press ever call McCain out on his racist attacks? When the mainstream press stops making the same attacks, I guess.

    www.radicaljack.com
    www.progressiverags.com

  •  let mccain talk (0+ / 0-)

    the only ones that really believe or even like that talk is his so called base that didn't even like him in the first place.

    The more moderate people are just turned off by this type of accusation

  •  McCain'sw Got a Crush on Obama (0+ / 0-)

    John Kramer Skokie, IL

    by Britethorn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:07:23 AM PDT

  •  Defining Victory (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder if the people of Iraq have any say.

    Think Tank. "A place where people are paid to think by the makers of tanks" Naomi Klein.

    by ohcanada on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:12:47 AM PDT

  •  I'm starting to feel crazy! (2+ / 0-)
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    RickD, lzyltnin

    I just went and posted this on the Obama official blogs, with a link to this diary. Somebody, somebody needs to wake up and smell the stinking McCain coffee:

     Dear Senator Obama:

    Your lead is shrinking. McCain is calling you a traitor. For God's sake, TAKE OFF THE GLOVES and call this adulterous, treacherous, hypocritical, Keating 5, dishonorable, multi-millionaire OUT and start controlling the dialogue! And do it in sound bytes, not wordy passive-tense meanderings...

    I've watched this campaign closely for over a year and I am suddenly feeling extreme desperation.

    McCain is NOT "an honorable man." He's a liar, a cheat, an adulterer, and reeking with blind ambition. You've got to start delineating the difference between the two of you, before it's too late.

    This entire campaign has smacked of Kerry/2004 for the past month.

    I'm frantic and begging you. If you need further encouragement, just go read this diary and see how your supporters are starting to freak out:

  •  Barb is over the top, as usual (1+ / 0-)
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    Jon Bird

    If the Obama campaign fails to preface the words "John McCain" with some veneration for his military career it will make Obama look like an angry peanik un-American code pink NEGRO.

    Wesley Clark tried to inject some critical thinking into the debate and he got crucified. Anyone with less military credentials than he had and I'm sure he would have wound up literally crucified.

    The POW story is pretty much unimpeachable, and McCheese knows this. He even makes up/steals anecdotes about his POW time to milk it even more! (remember Packers v. Steelersgate?)

    McCheese is a hard candidate to run against. The war hero thing. The media sucking up to him in hopes of scoring some BBQ. The media so bored with him they report on Obama's orange juice and ignore his insane, campaign-breaking gaffes. Obama can't get too personally pugilistic or it will wreck his "change" brand as well play up the right's SCARY BLACK MAN AFTER YOUR WHITE WOMEN narrative.

    We're doomed.

    Vote McCain -- Mayor of Kraftcheesistan

    by Tuffygoyf on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:14:11 AM PDT

    •  not really a helpful comment (0+ / 0-)

      and going ad hominem isn't impressive either.

      Don't drink and blog. Think of the children.

      by RickD on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:17:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  no, YOU'RE unhelpful (2+ / 0-)
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        Jon Bird, axel000

        Firstly, little known bloggers like, ahem, Al Giordano have pointed out that Obama IS on offense, albeit on highly tailored local issues (Yucca in Nevada, DHL in Ohio).

        http://narcosphere.narconews.com/...

        Secondly, Barb calling for Obama to "man up" and, I assume, make a national ad buy calling McCain a lying coward is counterproductive for, among other things, reasons I discussed.

        Vote McCain -- Mayor of Kraftcheesistan

        by Tuffygoyf on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:28:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  It does not matter (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      axel000

      If he attacks McCain's persona! He will be a angry peanik un-American Code Pink Negro.

      If he does not attack he is weak pink negro panzy commi.

      So, attack any way go down fighting!

      He should not let anyone attack his patriotism that is where he should draw the line.

      Obama's camp need to wake UP!

  •  the real McCain (0+ / 0-)
    JSMcCain!  Now he is hysterically claiming "victory" and democrats want to lose for ambition's sake. Why is he so slimey and denigrates everybody not on his payroll or claque or applause section?
     I finally figured out why he tells the "Me POW Hero! "story/  act/ shtick/ thing/ himself so often.
       Because deep down, he knows it's fake and he didn't do anything special,it was an accident of history and he was borne along a series of events he had little to do with or influence once he decided to fly those bombing missions over the North. He was a survivor, not a hero

    My diary from last night "POW Deconstructed" and Part 2 tonight give details. Thanks to all for much helpful info and  expanded details.

    Of all the things in this world, people are the most precious.

    by Pete Rock on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:15:46 AM PDT

  •  playing nice isn't helping (0+ / 0-)

    While Obama has been playing along with the media's game of respecting McCain in spite of McCain's constant attacks, McCain has been gaining strength in the polls.

    Why oh why do Democratic candidates listen to people who don't represent their supporters?  

    Don't drink and blog. Think of the children.

    by RickD on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:16:42 AM PDT

  •  watching the Olympics? (0+ / 0-)

    I keep seeing these Mc Cain ads where it says:

    1. Washington is broken
    1. Mc Cain is the man to fix it
    1. and take on the oil companies
    1. he's a maverick

    I shit you not. Mr. Keating-5-with-27-years-in-Congress-and-votes-with-Bush-95%-of-the-time-and-is-a-sudden-whore-for-oi l-companies is running these ads.

    I've only seen a couple of Obama ads, and that was days ago. And they did not respond to this heinous bullshit. WTF?

    Worst president in history. Supported by the worst Americans in history.

    by Terminus on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:17:38 AM PDT

    •  Yes those ads are on almost every break (0+ / 0-)

      during the Olympics here in PA.  From the beginning I assumed it was an Obama add, then my reaction turned to WTF ???

      How disengenious can this guy get ?

      http://axel000.livejournal.com

      by axel000 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 11:38:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I don't know, but I suspect (0+ / 0-)

    ...that it takes a lot of ambition to want to be the president of the USA. This is probably among the dumbest things yet that McSame has said, and we all know he has said some very dumb things.

    Imagine...

    "He submitted an application to the electoral commission... he asked his friends and allies to support and vote for him... he ran ads on national television of all places suggesting that he would be the best choice for president... and behind all of those claims and positions lies the ambition to be president."

    Should we just raise our children without ambition, and hope that natural leaders emerge out of dumb luck, and get voted into office without campaigning or even submitting their names to the ballot? Because that would show ambition.

    •  Isn't the other aspect to this line of attack (0+ / 0-)

      dog-whistle politics?

      Ambitious = arrogant.

      Is he silently telling Obama that he should "know his place"?

      My needs are getting simpler as the campaign season wears on. Therefore---Unite or Die!

      by Fe Bongolan on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 12:22:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The path to losing (0+ / 0-)

    is the one that McCain and like minded fools started us down.

    Honestly though if people are going to vote for a moronic blowhard asshole like McCain at this point, what can you do?  You can't change stupid.  The only hope is that enough intelligent people vote this time around.  

  •  Ugh (1+ / 0-)
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    slinkerwink

    I hope Obama learns this and learns it fast - attack.  ATTACK!  If you are defending, you're losing.  People saying Obama can't or shouldn't attack need to take some time off from all of this.  Obama is losing this race as of now, in terms of real momentum.  He's still ahead in state-by-state matchups, but feel free to tell John Kerry that such things mean Obama has a lock on winning.  He doesn't.  We are seeing a solidifying of McCain's support, and the Obama campaign just seems to have its wheels spinning.

    I know people don't like to hear this, but from where I sit, McCain is winning most the the arguments.  And by winning, I don't mean "is correct about", I mean "is winning the argument".  Period.  Who was right and who won the fight are two entirely different questions.  

    John McCain is a liar.  A gross carpetbagging opportunist.  An extremist militarist.  A throwback to the cold war.  A heartless politician who has voted against the interests of the poor and under-represented for years.  ALL of these lines of attack are just laying there, waiting for someone to pick them up, AND NOBODY IS DOING IT.  

    Strong defense against allegations and accusations via a few surrogates here and there on TV is NOT what Obama needs right now!  He needs to double the number of people from his camp going on TV, like, yesterday, and ORDER them to ATTACK McCain.  Don't defend Obama against allegations of treason!!  For Christ's sake, don't do it!  Just brush past that crap and launch into an attack of your own.

    This idea that the American people will see Obama holding off and refusing to attack as an overall reason to vote for Obama is ludicrous, dangerous, delusional.  If he doesn't start doing some damage, soon, he is going to lose this election.

  •  Is that the same 'path of retreat and failure' (0+ / 0-)

    the Iraqi government wants? So they're wrong too John? That's mighty presumptuous of you. I thought nations didn't invade nations in the 21st century.

    I can't find the exact quote but McCain said recently that even knowing there were no WMD, and no links to Al Qaeda, that he STILL would've voted for the AUMF. that man is fucking insane!! yeah let's start a war just for shits and giggles. that quote needs to find its way into an ad now

    FIRED UP! READY TO GO!

    by greyXstar on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:41:29 AM PDT

  •  General Colin Powell (1+ / 0-)
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    axel000

    Now would be a good time for General Powell to begin the rehabilitation of his honor and credibility.  I know he has said that he would wait to endorse until he could see who each candidate chose for VP, however how can he stand by and see McCain accuse Obama of treason.  

    McCain is misusing his status as a war "hero", a member of the military, and a US Senator to question each of us who disagree with him, not just Obama.  I remember this same tactic prior to the start of the war and during each of the last two Pres. elections.

    I think we should call on people of General Powell's stature to put and end to this unamerican activity, by censoring McCain and asking him to repudiate in writing his false claim and apologize to Senator Obama, and to us.

    ... think of the value of youthful leadership, of leadership that has energy and force and drive. Eleanor Roosevelt

    by smallddem on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:52:08 AM PDT

  •  Negative campaigning (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jon Bird

    works when the object of the negative campaign is already suspect in some way.  The overwhelming number of responses in this post are favorite points of ours, but do not resonate in the electorate at large.  The negative attack has to become viral for it to succeed.  Some broadly based belief has to be in place before the negative attack works.

    Examining the attacks on Obama, they poke at issues that were already a concern.  Rev. Wright did untold damage to Obama, making it look like he was not truly an American patriot.  With a background like that, negative attacks are effective.  No matter what we believe, most outside our camp think that Obama agreed with Wright, or at the very least went along with it.

    The same is true for the whole Hyde park crowd.

    The European trip made Obama look pretentious in many eyes.  Poking at his "celebrity" fell on fertile ground.

    It will not work to attack McCain on his patriotism as that line of reasoning has little antecedent and the attacks will not take root.

  •  McCain's war mongering is escalating. He terrifys (0+ / 0-)

    me!

  •  McCain and hypocrisy (0+ / 0-)

    "Behind all of these claims and positions by Senator Obama lies the ambition to be president."

    Seems to me that a man who started running for president 20 years ago and didn't stop until he'd sold everything he had for the chance shouldn't be questioning the ambition of a man who's been running for president for all of a year and change.

    "Homeless veteran" should be an oxymoron.

    by iampunha on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 12:45:44 PM PDT

  •  It does not help that BO's own web site (0+ / 0-)

    is crap. Go to fight the smears and click who is behind this. You get a shit crap empty page. Bad Quality Control. Crappola crap coding.  

    http://my.barackobama.com/...

    Game over, see you in 2012.

  •  WcCain: Eternal Defeat Candidate (0+ / 0-)

    Just keeping up the fight when it's a losing battle isn't "the path to victory". It's the path to endless defeat.

    WcCain is the guy who's heartily backed our every step down the path through defeat after defeat in Iraq the past 6 years. And in Afghanistan, too, for even longer. In fact, WcCain's been on the Iraq defeat warpath for well over a decade. Actual defeat hasn't fazed him.

    Of course it hasn't. He hasn't had to actually risk his neck for over 35 years. Instead, he's all to happy to help torture people the way he was tortured himself.

    Americans will react well to Obama explains how WcCain is lying to them about "a path to victory" now, the same way he was lying about it when he helped lie us into the war in the first place. And how Obama has been against this "dumb war" since before it began. That confrontation is the path to Obama victory.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 04:20:56 PM PDT

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